On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

Let me make a correction.

If you Properly palletize the load...you may..may be able to haul that
3000+ pounds a short distance...assuming you have no pot holes, speed
bumps and other shock causing interuptions. The power train is more
than capable. Thats a given. I think the 2500 has a 10,000 load range
if not more. Its the bed thats not designed to load that much dead
weight. It is afterall...sheet metal. And while you can put probably
4000 pounds in it..moving it means it becomes a "dynamic" load rather
than a static load. A properly set up 5th wheel travel trailer is
mounted to the frame..not the sheet metal.

Just my .02 worth. Take it as you wish.

Shrug

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:30:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

Let me make a correction.

If you Properly palletize the load...you may..may be able to haul that
3000+ pounds a short distance...assuming you have no pot holes, speed
bumps and other shock causing interuptions. The power train is more
than capable. Thats a given. I think the 2500 has a 10,000 load range
if not more. Its the bed thats not designed to load that much dead
weight. It is afterall...sheet metal. And while you can put probably
4000 pounds in it..moving it means it becomes a "dynamic" load rather
than a static load. A properly set up 5th wheel travel trailer is
mounted to the frame..not the sheet metal.

I have a good steel sheet on top of the bed, and I can put that scorr
lift on 4x4s.

i
Then you may..may be ok. Just make sure the 4x4s are over the bed
mounting bolts so the load is on solid portions of the bed and NOT on
flexible sheet metal. That steel sheet..had best be at least
5/16th..maybe 1/4" Shrug And dont put any serious load on the wheel
wells if they enter the bed area. They mush like putty when you do.

Been there..done that. Helped the owner hammer out the crush.

Shrug

Gunner



"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

Any idea?

Ignoramus795 wrote:

Any idea?

Look online on the Dodge site to find the ratings for the particular
model year, cab type, etc. The '13 F250 load ratings are 3,040#-4,240#
depending on cab, 4x4, etc. so Presumably it should be in the ballpark
for a Dodge 2500 as well, pretty much max load but not likely to break
anything if the truck is in good condition.

On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

In the bed.

i

Ignoramus795" wrote in message
m...
On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

In the bed.

No. It's a 1 ton. Even with some combination of airbags, over loads, and
or load levelers I wouldn't try to put more than 3K in the bed, and then
only if it could be well secured, and well supported to prevent bed damage.

On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

Let me make a correction.

If you Properly palletize the load...you may..may be able to haul that
3000+ pounds a short distance...assuming you have no pot holes, speed
bumps and other shock causing interuptions. The power train is more
than capable. Thats a given. I think the 2500 has a 10,000 load range
if not more. Its the bed thats not designed to load that much dead
weight. It is afterall...sheet metal. And while you can put probably
4000 pounds in it..moving it means it becomes a "dynamic" load rather
than a static load. A properly set up 5th wheel travel trailer is
mounted to the frame..not the sheet metal.

I have a good steel sheet on top of the bed, and I can put that scorr
lift on 4x4s.

i

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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Ignoramus795" wrote in message
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On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

In the bed.

No. It's a 1 ton.

*** Brain Fart *** It's a 3/4 ton.

Even with some combination of airbags, over loads, and or load levelers I
wouldn't try to put more than 3K in the bed, and then only if it could be
well secured, and well supported to prevent bed damage.

I used to hauled upto about 1400 in my 1/2 ton with load levelers, but it
was about all it I felt comfortable with. I've got trailers for heavier
stuff now even though all my trucks are 3/4 ton.

On 9/28/2013 11:48 AM, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus795 wrote:

Any idea?

Look online on the Dodge site to find the ratings for the particular
model year, cab type, etc. The '13 F250 load ratings are 3,040#-4,240#
depending on cab, 4x4, etc. so Presumably it should be in the ballpark
for a Dodge 2500 as well, pretty much max load but not likely to break
anything if the truck is in good condition.
Since I have one, I can report it's the tires that can't handle it. The
2500 and 3500 are the same truck, except when the 3500 has duals in the
rear. A single wheel 3500 is still only as good as a 2500.

Just don't get stopped by the load police!

Paul

Bob La Londe wrote:

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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Ignoramus795" wrote in message
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On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

In the bed.

No. It's a 1 ton.

*** Brain Fart *** It's a 3/4 ton.

Even with some combination of airbags, over loads, and or load levelers I
wouldn't try to put more than 3K in the bed, and then only if it could be
well secured, and well supported to prevent bed damage.

I used to hauled upto about 1400 in my 1/2 ton with load levelers, but it
was about all it I felt comfortable with. I've got trailers for heavier
stuff now even though all my trucks are 3/4 ton.

The 1/2, 3/4, 1T names mean little these days as the actual load ratings
far exceed the name. Looking at the 2013 F350 DRW it has a load rating
over 3T (6,560-7,260# depending on cab, wheelbase, etc.).

Ignoramus795 wrote:

On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

Let me make a correction.

If you Properly palletize the load...you may..may be able to haul that
3000+ pounds a short distance...assuming you have no pot holes, speed
bumps and other shock causing interuptions. The power train is more
than capable. Thats a given. I think the 2500 has a 10,000 load range
if not more. Its the bed thats not designed to load that much dead
weight. It is afterall...sheet metal. And while you can put probably
4000 pounds in it..moving it means it becomes a "dynamic" load rather
than a static load. A properly set up 5th wheel travel trailer is
mounted to the frame..not the sheet metal.

I have a good steel sheet on top of the bed, and I can put that scorr
lift on 4x4s.

i

Excellent point, weight rating wise good, bed sheetmetal wise not good
without good load spreading. I rolled some dips in my bed from a palette
jack with only a couple k lbs. Forklifting fine, but don't let the load
concentrate.

"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
...
On 2013-09-27, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

In the bed.

i

Will it have to move with that weight?





A less-than-maximum load in my truck, on a rutted dirt road, broke off
one of the rubber overtravel bumpers when that wheel rode up over a
rock.

jsw

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:07:41 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

In the bed? No.

Let me make a correction.

If you Properly palletize the load...you may..may be able to haul that
3000+ pounds a short distance...assuming you have no pot holes, speed
bumps and other shock causing interuptions. The power train is more
than capable. Thats a given. I think the 2500 has a 10,000 load range
if not more. Its the bed thats not designed to load that much dead
weight. It is afterall...sheet metal. And while you can put probably
4000 pounds in it..moving it means it becomes a "dynamic" load rather
than a static load. A properly set up 5th wheel travel trailer is
mounted to the frame..not the sheet metal.

Just my .02 worth. Take it as you wish.

Shrug

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
It will handle it for a short distance once or twice. Dad carried 2
tons of firewood in an F150 a couple times. Rolled all four tires off
the rims one afternoon coming out of the bush.

In article ,
Ignoramus795 wrote:

Any idea?

There might be enough theoretical load capacity. The odds that you'll
get it distributed correctly in practice are pretty low (have you got
portable truck scales?), so you'll likely end up overloading an axle.
Loading that much weight that high can also be...interesting. Securing
it is another problem. If you are "spreading the load" with a thick
steel sheet, that's more weight in addition to whatever you are hauling.
Use a (sufficiently rated) trailer, or different truck (weren't you
getting a tractor-trailer at some point?)

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In article ,
Ignoramus795 wrote:

Any idea?

How much it won't work by is dependent on exactly which version you have
- model, drivetrain, year, etc.

a 2006 2500SLT 2wd regular cab gasoline automatic comes up ~500 lbs shy,
not counting how much you weigh (you are part of payload). GVW 8650,
curb weight 5420, payload 3230

What about the Cummins diesel version? GVW goes up to 9000 lbs. Curb
weight is also up to 6244. Payload is down to 2756. But it can tow a lot
more than the gasser.

Exact amount will vary with your exact year and model (and trim and
engine, and...) and how much other stuff you carry that affects the curb
weight, but it's fairly safe to say that legally speaking, you'd be
overloaded, for sure, unless it's on a trailer.

This site includes non-towing payload information, though it does seem
to have an error in the curb weight by axle on the variants I looked at.

http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/home.html

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Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:52:50 -0700, Paul Drahn
wrote:

On 9/28/2013 11:48 AM, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus795 wrote:

Any idea?

It can tow it on a trailer no problem. In the bed, not all of it at
once. What is the load, Iggy?

Sand will spread the load around by itself just fine, a pile of Anvils
is going to dent the hell out of the bed without putting down 3/4
plywood and very carefully stacking and securing the load so it can't
shift.

Look online on the Dodge site to find the ratings for the particular
model year, cab type, etc. The '13 F250 load ratings are 3,040#-4,240#
depending on cab, 4x4, etc. so Presumably it should be in the ballpark
for a Dodge 2500 as well, pretty much max load but not likely to break
anything if the truck is in good condition.

Remember that those load limits on your doorpost include the weight of
the driver and passengers, crap in the cab and bed, and other options
like hitches. IOW, it disappears faster than you'd like.

You need to look at the Gross Combined Weight Limit for truck plus
trailer, that number should give you a comfortable safety margin - but
you don't want the trailer to weigh more than the tow vehicle or the
tail can start wagging the dog, this is bad...

Which is why you want to put some of the load in the back of the
truck, to spread it around.

Since I have one, I can report it's the tires that can't handle it. The
2500 and 3500 are the same truck, except when the 3500 has duals in the
rear. A single wheel 3500 is still only as good as a 2500.

Just don't get stopped by the load police!

A single rear wheel 3500 with the proper tires and wheels can - this
is why they make different sized tires. With my stock 245-16 it's a
little dicey, but moving up to 265-16 gives your tire load limits some
breathing room. (Also gives me a couple of polished spots on the
frame rails, but that's life...)

The Highway Patrol is always looking for any trucks that are squatting
with the axle on the jounce stops and the front bumper in the air.
Always fun to see overloads like a full pallet of Sod in the back of a
half-ton, especially if the loader on the forklift doesn't want to
risk damaging the bed or tailgate by sliding the load forward past the
rear axle balance point.

Those are the trucks that will come up on slower traffic and find out
they don't have enough brakes and make the most spectacular crashes.
There's no way in heck he'll get stopped, the front wheels in the air
will lock and kill all directional control, and the rear brakes don't
do much even on a good day.

-- Bruce --

Ignoramus795 on Sat, 28 Sep 2013
13:09:53 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Any idea?

How is it loaded, what are the roads like? Bed or trailer? You
might be able to get away with loading the bed down with that much,
but ... nothing sadder than seeing a man on the side of the road with
a blown tire, or broken suspension, and a full load in the bed.

I moved something on the order of 2500 pounds of brick in the back
of a Ranger. Three times. But it was a very (very) short drive on a
very 'flat' (no bumps or potholes) drive - down the block.
I would not have taken that load on any other route. Not even
across the main road.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
...

Any idea?

Do you really have to even ask?

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
...

Any idea?

Do you really have to even ask?

Yes you do, or at least look it up. The days of the 1/2, 3/4 and 1T
designations having any relation to cargo weight rating ate long over.
All you can count on is that a 1T can handle more than a 3/4T, but the
real ratings are substantially higher than the designation.

On 9/28/2013 1:09 PM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

What's the nameplate GVWR and what've you got on it for tires, does it
have the HD overloads is it leaf or only coil springs, etc., etc., etc., ...

As others have said "all depends" on what it is you're trying to haul,
how you load it and the vehicle...it's probably _not_ legal altho not
sure just what reg's are in place in IL. Is this vehicle registered
commercial or personal?

--

Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

What is the actual load?

How will you secure it? (that much weight shifts at all and it will rip
the box apart if you use the factory tie points)

--
Steve W.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

If the frame and springs are good, the tires rated for it, the
distance isn't far, and you don't hit any bumps or get pulled over for
overload, "maybe". I'd use a trailing car with their flashers on,
though. No fast corners, either, Mario.

--
When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

(comparing Paine to the current CONgress deep sigh)

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
...

Any idea?

Do you really have to even ask?

Yes you do,

No, you don't; you look at the vehicle weight specs on the driver side door
post, period.

And you do not under any circumstance exceed those ratings because if
somebody ends up getting hurt, you're going to get sued for everything you
own in addition to perhaps spending several years in jail.

or at least look it up. The days of the 1/2, 3/4 and 1T
designations having any relation to cargo weight rating ate long over.
All you can count on is that a 1T can handle more than a 3/4T, but the
real ratings are substantially higher than the designation.

Another thing you don't do is advertise on usenet about how you're
entertaining the notion of exceeding a vehicle's ratings because if you do
this and something goes wrong, the plaintiff's attorney just hit the
jackpot.

http://www.mlnlaw.com/jury-awards-30...uck-wreck.html

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:09:53 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?


Doesn't sound like a big deal.
I have an F250 Heavy Duty Power Stroke with a bunch of HD options, and I've put 3800 lbs of aluminum scrap in the bed, didn't notice Any squat.. Truck rode the best it had.
It already weighs 7050lbs empty.

It all depends 100% on the spring/chassis/towing options.

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:58:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:53 -0500, Ignoramus795
wrote:

Any idea?

In the bed? Or towing?

Towing, yes.

Agreed.


In the bed? No.

I forgot to mention adding a sheet of 3/4 ply or tubafores/eights to
reinforce the bed if the load has 4 feet. Most trucks can handle at
least double their ratings, butcha gotta be careful or you'll bend the
frame or break springs. I wouldn't take it more than a mile or so.
I've handled over 2k# of gravel in my 1/2T Tundra. Steering was a bit
light, so I kept it really slow. I hadn't bottomed it out on the
suspension yet at that overloading, which surprised me.

But since he has a flatbed and a semi to pull it, I'd heartily
recommend that instead.

--
When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

(comparing Paine to the current CONgress deep sigh)

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:16:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Ignoramus795 on Sat, 28 Sep 2013
13:09:53 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Any idea?

How is it loaded, what are the roads like? Bed or trailer? You
might be able to get away with loading the bed down with that much,
but ... nothing sadder than seeing a man on the side of the road with
a blown tire, or broken suspension, and a full load in the bed.

I moved something on the order of 2500 pounds of brick in the back
of a Ranger. Three times. But it was a very (very) short drive on a
very 'flat' (no bumps or potholes) drive - down the block.
I would not have taken that load on any other route. Not even
across the main road.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."


over 600 sq feet of 3/4 inch ash in the bed of 1996 Ranger 2 wheel
drive, 28 km of highway driving (2 lane sub-urban) no problem. Truck
never rode so nice.

600 sq ft of 3/4" is 37.5 cu ft, more or less - at 42 lb per cu ft is
1575 lbs. My supplier said he figured just over 1600 lbs and on his
short-box ranger 4X4 it would make for a pretty hairy ride. With my 7
foot box the weight was well centered and the truck hardly squatted at
all. Payload is rated at 1650 lbs.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:32:06 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:


"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
m...

Any idea?

Do you really have to even ask?

On a 2008 Ram 2500 the load capacity with standard equipment is 3020
lbs. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 single rear wheel
RAM is the sise of the block between the axle and the rear spring, and
the tire size - with the 3500 rated at 4660 - so other than possible
tire issues, I really do not see an issue here - assuming the load can
be loaded without damaging the box, and the weight can be applied well
forward of the rear axle.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:32:06 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:


"Ignoramus795" wrote in message
om...

Any idea?

Do you really have to even ask?

On a 2008 Ram 2500 the load capacity with standard equipment is 3020
lbs. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 single rear wheel
RAM is the sise of the block between the axle and the rear spring, and
the tire size - with the 3500 rated at 4660 - so other than possible
tire issues, I really do not see an issue here - assuming the load can
be loaded without damaging the box, and the weight can be applied well
forward of the rear axle.

Thanks, but I'm not the one who was asking.

on Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:32:11 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:16:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Ignoramus795 on Sat, 28 Sep 2013
13:09:53 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Any idea?

How is it loaded, what are the roads like? Bed or trailer? You
might be able to get away with loading the bed down with that much,
but ... nothing sadder than seeing a man on the side of the road with
a blown tire, or broken suspension, and a full load in the bed.

I moved something on the order of 2500 pounds of brick in the back
of a Ranger. Three times. But it was a very (very) short drive on a
very 'flat' (no bumps or potholes) drive - down the block.
I would not have taken that load on any other route. Not even
across the main road.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."


over 600 sq feet of 3/4 inch ash in the bed of 1996 Ranger 2 wheel
drive, 28 km of highway driving (2 lane sub-urban) no problem. Truck
never rode so nice.

I make due with sandbags and cinder blocks B-)
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On 9/28/2013 1:09 PM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

Dodge site "payload calculator" for '13 models has a 2500 SLT 4x2 w/ reg
cab 8' bed 4.10 axle rated at 3173 lb max. Was highest 2500 combination
I was able to find in a quick search; didn't seem easy to check about
the towing/HD packages for options/specs on them. Somewhat surprisingly
to me anyway, they downgrade the 4x4 by 600 lb or so; wouldn't have
thought it that much.

As I suspected, if you do have the HD options it's not much of a
stretch; if you don't it is. Again, as noted by others and earlier, I'd
be doubly concerned the tires you have on it are capable, not just large
passenger tires see some folks put on 'em in town for cost avoidance and
ride when only use them as glorified passenger cars.

--

On 9/28/2013 11:09 AM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

Still learning this damn Windows 8. WTF couldn't the just leave things
where they were even if they changed the innards?

Anyhoo... I have put that much in my '06 2500. Not far, and not bad
road, and I wouldn't want to, but in a pinch, I have done even a bit
more. I think it could stress components, and cause a catastrophic
failure over bad roads, or high forces. Particularly if the body had
much wear or looseness to start with.

Steve

On 9/28/2013 1:09 PM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

Well, Iggy, so did you use it or not?

(Inquiring minds and all that, ya' know... )

--

On 2013-10-01, dpb wrote:
On 9/28/2013 1:09 PM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

Well, Iggy, so did you use it or not?

(Inquiring minds and all that, ya' know... )

No, moved the scissor lift with a trailer.

i

On 10/4/2013 9:44 PM, Ignoramus2374 wrote:
On 2013-10-01, wrote:
On 9/28/2013 1:09 PM, Ignoramus795 wrote:
Any idea?

Well, Iggy, so did you use it or not?

(Inquiring minds and all that, ya' know... )

No, moved the scissor lift with a trailer.


Undoubtedly the wiser choice...

--