I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN

RogerN wrote:

I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN

Very satisfying to test fire the rifle you personally built isn't it?

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:34:20 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

You should be warned, building your own rifles is addicting. Its the
reason i don't have time to make a pulley for my airblast sprayer.

Karl

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

Is that the .308 version? I've seen Armalite, IIRC, has an "AR-10" that
shoots .308, 7.62 NATO.

I've been looking at the .300 AAC Blackout, it seems to be a 30 caliber
round in a 223 case with similar ballistics to the 7.62 X 39. The advantage
is supposed to be that all you need to change is the barrel, the magazines
for the 5.56 / 223 fit the 300 blackout. They're supposed to be for ~100 -
200 grain bullets. Still hard to find many items in stock, I'd like to find
other reasonable priced 80% lowers.

I saw some 50 BMG uppers that fit on AR-15 lowers, bolt action though.

RogerN

"Pete C." wrote in message ...


RogerN wrote:

I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN

Very satisfying to test fire the rifle you personally built isn't it?

Yes, it's also nice that you can finish machining them in less than the 24
hour waiting period it takes to buy one.

RogerN

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small? Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..
..
"RogerN" wrote in message
m...
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:47:44 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small? Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.

Might want to ask the US Military about that. And the current rounds
are between 63-68 grs with a steel core.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
.
"RogerN" wrote in message
om...
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN


http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2013/04/14/

"RogerN" on Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think?

The liberals will "think" nothing. They are as free of the
ravages of intelligent "thought" as it is possible and still simulate
sentience.

OTOH, the Liberals will emote like teenage girls at a Justine
Beiber concert. Pavlov's dogs look at liberals and say "Have you no
self-control?"
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:48:09 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
m...

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

Is that the .308 version? I've seen Armalite, IIRC, has an "AR-10" that
shoots .308, 7.62 NATO.

I've been looking at the .300 AAC Blackout, it seems to be a 30 caliber
round in a 223 case with similar ballistics to the 7.62 X 39. The advantage
is supposed to be that all you need to change is the barrel, the magazines
for the 5.56 / 223 fit the 300 blackout. They're supposed to be for ~100 -
200 grain bullets. Still hard to find many items in stock, I'd like to find
other reasonable priced 80% lowers.

I saw some 50 BMG uppers that fit on AR-15 lowers, bolt action though.

RogerN

Yep, now you're hooked. Time to join weaponsguild.com

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN


Actually, if you read a little history you'll find that the Christians
have likely killed more people than probably anyone else. The Mongol
Hordes used to massacre entire cities but they were only around for a
few years. the Christians have been at it for nearly 2,000 years.

--
Cheers,

John B.

"J.B.Slocomb" wrote:

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN


Actually, if you read a little history you'll find that the Christians
have likely killed more people than probably anyone else. The Mongol
Hordes used to massacre entire cities but they were only around for a
few years. the Christians have been at it for nearly 2,000 years.

This.

The problem is that liberalizm is just another religion essentially and
all religions are subject to their zealots. You can't run a country on
"feelings" any more than you can run one on "faith", only rational
critical thinking and dealing with issues instead of being mindlessly
mired in an ideology can produce progress.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:18:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"RogerN" on Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think?

The liberals will "think" nothing. They are as free of the
ravages of intelligent "thought" as it is possible and still simulate
sentience.

+1


OTOH, the Liberals will emote like teenage girls at a Justine Beiber

Freudian slip over the very feminine lad, Pete?


concert. Pavlov's dogs look at liberals and say "Have you no
self-control?"

snort

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full description
of a happy state in this world.
-- John Locke

On 4/15/2013 6:58 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?


Yep. Some say "slowing down"...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:34:29 +0700, J.B.Slocomb
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN


Actually, if you read a little history you'll find that the Christians
have likely killed more people than probably anyone else. The Mongol
Hordes used to massacre entire cities but they were only around for a
few years. the Christians have been at it for nearly 2,000 years.


"The Christians" or people who Were Christians as a side note?

Buddhists have killed many millions. And we are alleged to be "non
violent"

On Apr 14, 5:47*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being *conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small? Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young

You don't HAVE to use FMJ if you're a civilian. It's just that that's
been cheap ammo to plink with in the past. Not so much now, over a
buck a shot, no surplus, it's all been shot up in the world wars. And
55 gr FMJ is Vietnam-era stuff, twists have changed since that time,
current issue stuff is heavier, 69 gr. is popular. Long range target
shooters will use much heavier stuff than that, up to 90-100 grains.
Have to single load them, though, too long for a magazine. Anyway,
you can get most any weight from 32 grains on up in .224" bullets.
The jacket thickness determines what it's used for. Not quite mouse
to elephant, but guys do use the AR with heavier bullets and thicker
jackets for hogs and antelope, among other critters, where legal.
Most bullets sold in .224" size are for varmint shooting, there's a
whole line of non-lead bullets called "Varmint Grenades". My dog gun
will do one hole groups with the right reloads, some guys have won
benchrest competitions with ARs. Not your granddaddy's M16 anymore.
40-50 years of competition shooting will do that.

As far as "advantage", it's the same as it's always been, light
weight, low recoil, very accurate, easy to keep going. Worn-out
barrel replacement is easy with some minimal tooling, basically a drop
in thing with torqueing a big nut up to spec. Caliber/barrel length
change is easier, just pull out two pins and drop on another upper in
the desired caliber. .17 to .50 BMG are available. Want a short
carbine, 20 seconds will do it. Ditto for a long barrel varmint gun.
Want a short-range hog buster, there's the .450 Bushmaster. All
developed on the private industry nickel, not some government
program. Brownell's has a catalog just for ARs and derivatives that's
about the size of their early '70s catalogs, thicker even than the one
for 1911 pistols.

Stan

On 4/14/2013 7:54 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:34:20 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

You should be warned, building your own rifles is addicting. Its the
reason i don't have time to make a pulley for my airblast sprayer.

Karl



I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???

On 4/14/2013 11:48 AM, RogerN wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

Is that the .308 version? I've seen Armalite, IIRC, has an "AR-10" that
shoots .308, 7.62 NATO.

I've been looking at the .300 AAC Blackout, it seems to be a 30 caliber
round in a 223 case with similar ballistics to the 7.62 X 39. The advantage
is supposed to be that all you need to change is the barrel, the magazines
for the 5.56 / 223 fit the 300 blackout. They're supposed to be for ~100 -
200 grain bullets. Still hard to find many items in stock, I'd like to find
other reasonable priced 80% lowers.

I saw some 50 BMG uppers that fit on AR-15 lowers, bolt action though.

RogerN




I think the caliber that would interest me is 6mm PPC or other ultra
accurate bench rest. I had a .240 Gibbs that could well but it's really
obsolete now with some of the new wildcats and even off-the-shelf stuff.
Problem is, I just don't have any real use for a rifle toy or a
convenient place to use it.

On 4/15/2013 3:07 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:48:09 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

Is that the .308 version? I've seen Armalite, IIRC, has an "AR-10" that
shoots .308, 7.62 NATO.

I've been looking at the .300 AAC Blackout, it seems to be a 30 caliber
round in a 223 case with similar ballistics to the 7.62 X 39. The advantage
is supposed to be that all you need to change is the barrel, the magazines
for the 5.56 / 223 fit the 300 blackout. They're supposed to be for ~100 -
200 grain bullets. Still hard to find many items in stock, I'd like to find
other reasonable priced 80% lowers.

I saw some 50 BMG uppers that fit on AR-15 lowers, bolt action though.

RogerN

Yep, now you're hooked. Time to join weaponsguild.com


I think the building is WAY more enjoyable than shooting!

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT), Stanley Schaefer
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:47*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being *conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small? Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young

You don't HAVE to use FMJ if you're a civilian. It's just that that's
been cheap ammo to plink with in the past. Not so much now, over a
buck a shot, no surplus, it's all been shot up in the world wars. And
55 gr FMJ is Vietnam-era stuff, twists have changed since that time,
current issue stuff is heavier, 69 gr. is popular. Long range target
shooters will use much heavier stuff than that, up to 90-100 grains.
Have to single load them, though, too long for a magazine. Anyway,
you can get most any weight from 32 grains on up in .224" bullets.
The jacket thickness determines what it's used for. Not quite mouse
to elephant, but guys do use the AR with heavier bullets and thicker
jackets for hogs and antelope, among other critters, where legal.
Most bullets sold in .224" size are for varmint shooting, there's a
whole line of non-lead bullets called "Varmint Grenades". My dog gun
will do one hole groups with the right reloads, some guys have won
benchrest competitions with ARs. Not your granddaddy's M16 anymore.
40-50 years of competition shooting will do that.

As far as "advantage", it's the same as it's always been, light
weight, low recoil, very accurate, easy to keep going. Worn-out
barrel replacement is easy with some minimal tooling, basically a drop
in thing with torqueing a big nut up to spec. Caliber/barrel length
change is easier, just pull out two pins and drop on another upper in
the desired caliber. .17 to .50 BMG are available. Want a short
carbine, 20 seconds will do it. Ditto for a long barrel varmint gun.
Want a short-range hog buster, there's the .450 Bushmaster. All
developed on the private industry nickel, not some government
program. Brownell's has a catalog just for ARs and derivatives that's
about the size of their early '70s catalogs, thicker even than the one
for 1911 pistols.

Stan, your post is a strong argument for the AR platform.

LJ, now scratching...

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full description
of a happy state in this world.
-- John Locke

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:01:28 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/14/2013 7:54 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:34:20 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

You should be warned, building your own rifles is addicting. Its the
reason i don't have time to make a pulley for my airblast sprayer.

Karl



I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


The days are shorter. Thats the only answer.

Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Hereafter Disease. Walk into a room, look around, and then ask
yourself "Hmm, what am I here after?"

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full description
of a happy state in this world.
-- John Locke

On 4/15/2013 7:54 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:01:28 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/14/2013 7:54 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:34:20 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

You should be warned, building your own rifles is addicting. Its the
reason i don't have time to make a pulley for my airblast sprayer.

Karl



I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


The days are shorter. Thats the only answer.




And why is everybody using smaller print?

On 4/15/2013 11:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Hereafter Disease. Walk into a room, look around, and then ask
yourself "Hmm, what am I here after?"

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full description
of a happy state in this world.
-- John Locke



I always walk to the machine shop or the office, about 200' before the
disease manifests itself.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:21:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Hereafter Disease. Walk into a room, look around, and then ask
yourself "Hmm, what am I here after?"


Ive got that!!!

Gunner

Isn't that sad, the persecution resumes.
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..
..
"RogerN" wrote in message
...

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN

I'd be curious if you find any stats on this. WEbsite, maybe.
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Christopher A. Young
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"J.B.Slocomb" wrote in message
...

Actually, if you read a little history you'll find that the Christians
have likely killed more people than probably anyone else. The Mongol
Hordes used to massacre entire cities but they were only around for a
few years. the Christians have been at it for nearly 2,000 years.

--
Cheers,

John B.

You've been polishing your eye glasses
too often. Wearing them flat, instead of
curved for correction.
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"Tom Gardner" Mars@Tacks wrote in message
...

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


The days are shorter. Thats the only answer.




And why is everybody using smaller print?

Recent episode of Yukon Men. Stan was hunting elk with a center fire that
really set him back a couple steps when he fired. His son Joey was using AR
looking rifle. I was thinking the boy is not going to be a successful
hunter, trying to take down elk with a 55 grain FMJ.

Anyhow, thanks for that information. Lot I didn't know.
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"Stanley Schaefer" wrote in message
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You don't HAVE to use FMJ if you're a civilian. It's just that that's
been cheap ammo to plink with in the past. Not so much now, over a
buck a shot, no surplus, it's all been shot up in the world wars. And
55 gr FMJ is Vietnam-era stuff, twists have changed since that time,
current issue stuff is heavier, 69 gr. is popular. Long range target
shooters will use much heavier stuff than that, up to 90-100 grains.
Have to single load them, though, too long for a magazine. Anyway,
you can get most any weight from 32 grains on up in .224" bullets.
The jacket thickness determines what it's used for. Not quite mouse
to elephant, but guys do use the AR with heavier bullets and thicker
jackets for hogs and antelope, among other critters, where legal.
Most bullets sold in .224" size are for varmint shooting, there's a
whole line of non-lead bullets called "Varmint Grenades". My dog gun
will do one hole groups with the right reloads, some guys have won
benchrest competitions with ARs. Not your granddaddy's M16 anymore.
40-50 years of competition shooting will do that.

As far as "advantage", it's the same as it's always been, light
weight, low recoil, very accurate, easy to keep going. Worn-out
barrel replacement is easy with some minimal tooling, basically a drop
in thing with torqueing a big nut up to spec. Caliber/barrel length
change is easier, just pull out two pins and drop on another upper in
the desired caliber. .17 to .50 BMG are available. Want a short
carbine, 20 seconds will do it. Ditto for a long barrel varmint gun.
Want a short-range hog buster, there's the .450 Bushmaster. All
developed on the private industry nickel, not some government
program. Brownell's has a catalog just for ARs and derivatives that's
about the size of their early '70s catalogs, thicker even than the one
for 1911 pistols.

Stan

J.B.Slocomb on Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:34:29
+0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think? Do you live near a school?

Me, being conservative. What's the advantage of a rifle that small?
Typical
FMJ of 55 grains.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


No nearby schools. Then only reason I'd have to want a gun around a school
is if someone was there hurting the kids, another Adama Lanza a--hole type.
But that's the kind of people this liberal, anti-morality society produces.
It would be terrible if Adam Lanza would have read in school that "Thou
shall not kill" and might have obeyed it!

They often shoot 70-80 grain bullets at 500-600 yards from what I've read.
The advantage of the small cartridge is that you can get 30 of them in a
pretty small magazine. In the same size brass, using the same bolt,
magazines,.. just change the barrel and you can use 30 caliber bullets in
the 100-200 grain range.

Now, if you're a Christian they label you as a terrorist, the leftist put
Christians on their list of terrorists before Islamic extremists. Never
mind the fact that almost all acts of terrorism come from the Muslims, they
ignore that, it's the people that believe in Jesus that they claim are
terrorists. The people that flew planes loaded with civilians into
buildings full of civilians, they aren't terrorists according to the left,
the people that celebrate Christmas & Easter are the terrorists per them.
Their kind hated Jesus without reason and today they hate those who believe
in Jesus, just like the Bible said they would.

RogerN


Actually, if you read a little history you'll find that the Christians
have likely killed more people than probably anyone else.

Really?

My reading of history leads me to the conclusion that those who
spout such nonsense don't know history, and are just pouting the party
line. The Third Reich alone killed more people per day over the
curse of twelve years than the Inquisition did over three hundred
years.

The Mongol
Hordes used to massacre entire cities but they were only around for a
few years. the Christians have been at it for nearly 2,000 years.

Nice non-sequitur. The Mongols wiped out Persia, the Kievian
Empire. Flattened, dead, destroyed. "Bombed back into the stone
age".
Now show me where the "Christians" left wastelands behind.


--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

Larry Jaques on Mon, 15 Apr 2013
06:08:11 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:18:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"RogerN" on Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:34 -0500 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

But, what will liberals think?

The liberals will "think" nothing. They are as free of the
ravages of intelligent "thought" as it is possible and still simulate
sentience.

+1


OTOH, the Liberals will emote like teenage girls at a Justine Beiber

Freudian slip over the very feminine lad, Pete?

Considering all I know of it is what I read in the papers - who
cares.

Liberals emote like teenage cheerleaders on helium looking at
kitties and unicorns.


concert. Pavlov's dogs look at liberals and say "Have you no
self-control?"

snort
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Hereafter Disease. Walk into a room, look around, and then ask
yourself "Hmm, what am I here after?"


WALK? You can still walk? I fell last week, bounced off a wall and
stepped on a sharp piece of plastic. Then the VA finally gave me my new
cane, yesterday. The swelling is mostly gone, but I sure can't walk
very well.

Richard wrote:

On 4/15/2013 6:58 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Yep. Some say "slowing down"...


Good thing I started with four gears...

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???

it takes me two days to do what i used to do in one.



The days are shorter. Thats the only answer.




And why is everybody using smaller print?

My problem, they keep making the eyes in the fishooks smaller.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:12:08 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 4/15/2013 3:07 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:48:09 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 4/13/2013 12:32 PM, RogerN wrote:
I test fired the AR-15 today, 29 rounds with no problems (except for
dropping 1 round, metal detector to come out later, have to locate some
brass too!). I shot up a can from fairly close range, need to set up
target
at a distance and get the iron sights set. Nineteen shots were factory
ammo
and 10 were reloads.

RogerN




Now build an AR-30!

Is that the .308 version? I've seen Armalite, IIRC, has an "AR-10" that
shoots .308, 7.62 NATO.

I've been looking at the .300 AAC Blackout, it seems to be a 30 caliber
round in a 223 case with similar ballistics to the 7.62 X 39. The advantage
is supposed to be that all you need to change is the barrel, the magazines
for the 5.56 / 223 fit the 300 blackout. They're supposed to be for ~100 -
200 grain bullets. Still hard to find many items in stock, I'd like to find
other reasonable priced 80% lowers.

I saw some 50 BMG uppers that fit on AR-15 lowers, bolt action though.

RogerN

Yep, now you're hooked. Time to join weaponsguild.com


I think the building is WAY more enjoyable than shooting!

My son gives me a hard time, most of my builds get fired 20 times and
then stored in the safe.

Still, I spent nearly 40 years just working, even the machine work was
to support the farm, Now most of my time is on fun, shootin' and
fishin'.

Karl

On 4/16/2013 6:40 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???

it takes me two days to do what i used to do in one.



The days are shorter. Thats the only answer.




And why is everybody using smaller print?

My problem, they keep making the eyes in the fishooks smaller.



There are eyes in 'em? I just tie around the shank. Today was the
worst! A control box with 8 relays on a machine I didn't wire...it
looks like spaghetti----very small spaghetti, all the same color, BLUE!
I HATE blue! AND, the lighting is terrible there, I had to wear a
headlamp while leaning over at a bad angle to troubleshoot. Now my back
hurts and I'm half blind and still can't find the problem.

On 4/16/2013 1:10 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Tom Gardner wrote:

I know it's not the case for you but, I've noticed I just don't get as
much done in a day as I used to.....what's up with that???


Old age?

Hereafter Disease. Walk into a room, look around, and then ask
yourself "Hmm, what am I here after?"


WALK? You can still walk? I fell last week, bounced off a wall and
stepped on a sharp piece of plastic. Then the VA finally gave me my new
cane, yesterday. The swelling is mostly gone, but I sure can't walk
very well.



My buddy Roger here says that the VA in Cleveland is WONDERFUL! He gets
appointments sometimes the same day and the staff is very good. Come on
up! (hope you heal-up soon)