I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.

I've got some very thick latex to apply now in a closet
and I'm looking for a completely clogless sprayer.
I remember this thing called a Power Master Airless
Electric Paint Sprayer by Electro Engineering Products Co,
which flung the paint radially out of a slot in the front:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Master...Paint-Sprayer-
Model-4000-EE-Electro-Paint-Gun-/380455551823?
pt=Paint_Paint_Supplies&hash=item5894eb034f

I remember my sainted father borrowed one and painted our
full basement with thick sealer without any problem at all.

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual
attempted to use it to spray flammable solvent and it
'flammabled'.


A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement
products. Can you recommend a currently produced brand?

Thanks!

--Winston

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.

I've got some very thick latex to apply now in a closet
and I'm looking for a completely clogless sprayer.
I remember this thing called a Power Master Airless
Electric Paint Sprayer by Electro Engineering Products Co,
which flung the paint radially out of a slot in the front:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Master...Paint-Sprayer-
Model-4000-EE-Electro-Paint-Gun-/380455551823?
pt=Paint_Paint_Supplies&hash=item5894eb034f

I remember my sainted father borrowed one and painted our
full basement with thick sealer without any problem at all.

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual
attempted to use it to spray flammable solvent and it
'flammabled'.

A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement
products. Can you recommend a currently produced brand?


Have you ever thought to thin the paint before spraying? I used to
mix latex with hot water 2:1 and never got a clog.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.


I used a Wagner a few times, but I had a 15 gallon portable air
compressor & spray gun that gave me the desired texture.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:32:46 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Winston wrote:

(...)

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual attempted to
use it to spray flammable solvent and it 'flammabled'.

A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement products.
Can you recommend a currently produced brand?


Have you ever thought to thin the paint before spraying? I used to
mix latex with hot water 2:1 and never got a clog.

Yup. I've had good luck with my dirt-simple micro sprayer and
very thin paint. That gun is much too small for the space I
need to paint now, though. I'm very curious about the Rotary Airless
because of that.

--Winston

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:38:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers. They
generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to perform a minimal
job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance.

Thanks for the recommendation.

As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

I actually had very good luck with a cheap Campbell Hausfield airless.
It was time-consuming and complicated to prime and clean but for the
money, it worked pretty well. I gave it away because I just knew
I'd be able to get my hands on a foolproof rotary sprayer in the
future. (Oops.)

--Winston

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:38:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers. They
generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to perform a minimal
job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it.

Yup. I struggled manfully with the Ryobi clone of that ....product.
Never Again! Yeesh.

--Winston

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

I used a Wagner a few times, but I had a 15 gallon portable air
compressor & spray gun that gave me the desired texture.

An air spray gun is a lot different than an airless one and much more
prone to clogging.

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

I used a Wagner a few times, but I had a 15 gallon portable air
compressor & spray gun that gave me the desired texture.

An air spray gun is a lot different than an airless one and much more
prone to clogging.


Not in my experience, but I dumped the airless crap in a hurry. I
never had a clog with my compressor & gun, no matter what I was
painting. But then, I mixed & filtered every batch before filling the
gun(s) Another thing i did was to have the regulator right at the gun,
and everyone laughed at the way it looked. Now, they make very small
regulators for guns, and even with a digital readout. I had a lot
better results with the regulator at the gun than I ever saw with it at
the other end of the hose.

On 7/20/2012 7:08 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

I used a Wagner a few times, but I had a 15 gallon portable air
compressor& spray gun that gave me the desired texture.

An air spray gun is a lot different than an airless one and much more
prone to clogging.


Not in my experience, but I dumped the airless crap in a hurry. I
never had a clog with my compressor& gun, no matter what I was
painting. But then, I mixed& filtered every batch before filling the
gun(s) Another thing i did was to have the regulator right at the gun,
and everyone laughed at the way it looked. Now, they make very small
regulators for guns, and even with a digital readout. I had a lot
better results with the regulator at the gun than I ever saw with it at
the other end of the hose.


I'm an HPLV kind of guy. My cheapie $90 CH rig Lasted 12 years (until
I abused it with varnish and didn't clean it out quick enough. My bad).

But the replacement was on sale for $70, so...

Richard wrote:

On 7/20/2012 7:08 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.


Numerous pro crews have no problem with quality airless sprayers. If
you're trying something like a Wagner Power-painter, forget it. You have
to at least go with a $300 or so Graco to have a chance. As noted you
also have to thin paints appropriately for the sprayer and most paints
have such thinning instructions on the label these days.

I used a Wagner a few times, but I had a 15 gallon portable air
compressor& spray gun that gave me the desired texture.

An air spray gun is a lot different than an airless one and much more
prone to clogging.


Not in my experience, but I dumped the airless crap in a hurry. I
never had a clog with my compressor& gun, no matter what I was
painting. But then, I mixed& filtered every batch before filling the
gun(s) Another thing i did was to have the regulator right at the gun,
and everyone laughed at the way it looked. Now, they make very small
regulators for guns, and even with a digital readout. I had a lot
better results with the regulator at the gun than I ever saw with it at
the other end of the hose.

I'm an HPLV kind of guy. My cheapie $90 CH rig Lasted 12 years (until
I abused it with varnish and didn't clean it out quick enough. My bad).

But the replacement was on sale for $70, so...


I've heard good things about those, but I've never even tried mine.
My dad gave it to me when he sold his place and didn't have room to take
all of his stuff. The antique radio guys like them for refinishing
radio cabinets. I hope ro have enough repairs done to my shop by winter
to be able to build some new kitchen cabinets, and reface the rest to
match. Then I'll give it a workout.

Y'know, an airless gun is _real_ easy to clean out from a clog, if you
just get the reversible/self-cleaning tips.

I've got a low-volume DeVilbis given to me because "it doesn't work
anymore." A new diaphram and ball-check was all it took to fix properly.
I ended up buying a good gun for it to alleviate - in part - just what
you guys have been bitching about.

That, and putting it to bed with "pump saver" in it, and it's a fine
machine.

None of the spray rigs are worth a damn on a 1-can paint job, though.
You spend more time cleaning up afterwards than you did painting.

LLoyd

On 20 Jul 2012 22:03:41 GMT, Winston wrote:

I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.

I've got some very thick latex to apply now in a closet
and I'm looking for a completely clogless sprayer.
I remember this thing called a Power Master Airless
Electric Paint Sprayer by Electro Engineering Products Co,
which flung the paint radially out of a slot in the front:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Master...Paint-Sprayer-
Model-4000-EE-Electro-Paint-Gun-/380455551823?
pt=Paint_Paint_Supplies&hash=item5894eb034f

I remember my sainted father borrowed one and painted our
full basement with thick sealer without any problem at all.

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual
attempted to use it to spray flammable solvent and it
'flammabled'.


A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement
products. Can you recommend a currently produced brand?

Thanks!

Mine was produced by Graco about 30 years ago. I was thinking about
buying one of these when I couldn't find the cup a couple months ago,
but I found it. The Graco likes slightly thinned latexes, so I used
some Floetrol and warmed the paint before use. (paint gun in a tub of
hot water)

http://www.harborfreight.com/electri...gun-47274.html
I wonder how much better these are than "the damned Wagners" people
are always screaming about. Cheaper to buy than rent, eh?

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

Y'know, an airless gun is _real_ easy to clean out from a clog, if you
just get the reversible/self-cleaning tips.

I've got a low-volume DeVilbis given to me because "it doesn't work
anymore." A new diaphram and ball-check was all it took to fix properly.
I ended up buying a good gun for it to alleviate - in part - just what
you guys have been bitching about.

That, and putting it to bed with "pump saver" in it, and it's a fine
machine.

None of the spray rigs are worth a damn on a 1-can paint job, though.
You spend more time cleaning up afterwards than you did painting.


I never set up the sprayer for small jobs. In fact, I used a cheap
bleader gun with GUNK more than I ever painted. I didn't have to worry
about clogs with it, and could spray at angles that I couldn't with a
rattler.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:03:37 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Mine was produced by Graco about 30 years ago. I was thinking about
buying one of these when I couldn't find the cup a couple months ago,
but I found it. The Graco likes slightly thinned latexes, so I used
some Floetrol and warmed the paint before use. (paint gun in a tub of
hot water)

'Nuther vote for Graco. I persist in my search for that foolproof
rotary, though.

http://www.harborfreight.com/electri...gun-47274.html I
wonder how much better these are than "the damned Wagners" people are
always screaming about.

It couldn't be much worse!

Cheaper to buy than rent, eh?

Stunningly so.
I got so much attitude from my local rental place that I just stopped
giving them money.

--Winston

On 21 Jul 2012 05:21:46 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:03:37 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Mine was produced by Graco about 30 years ago. I was thinking about
buying one of these when I couldn't find the cup a couple months ago,
but I found it. The Graco likes slightly thinned latexes, so I used
some Floetrol and warmed the paint before use. (paint gun in a tub of
hot water)

'Nuther vote for Graco. I persist in my search for that foolproof
rotary, though.

My rotary IS a Graco. I looked for it yesterday and couldn't find it,
or I'd have given you a model number to look for.



http://www.harborfreight.com/electri...gun-47274.html I
wonder how much better these are than "the damned Wagners" people are
always screaming about.

It couldn't be much worse!

HF (and most of the Chinese) wouldn't be caught dead hanging around
with the likes of the W people. They, at least, have face to save.


Cheaper to buy than rent, eh?

Stunningly so.
I got so much attitude from my local rental place that I just stopped
giving them money.

Ditto here. He's nice enough, but he doesn't answer his farkin' phone.
I last tried for 3 days and then finally went in on my way by. He
claimed to be there all the times I called.

--
In the depth of winter, I finally learned
that within me there lay an invincible summer.
-- Albert Camus

On Jul 20, 3:03*pm, Winston wrote:
I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers.
They generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to
perform a minimal job because I spend all my time cleaning.

I've got some very thick latex to apply now in a closet
and I'm looking for a completely clogless sprayer.
I remember this thing called a Power Master Airless
Electric Paint Sprayer by Electro Engineering Products Co,
which flung the paint radially out of a slot in the front:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Master...Paint-Sprayer-
Model-4000-EE-Electro-Paint-Gun-/380455551823?
pt=Paint_Paint_Supplies&hash=item5894eb034f

I remember my sainted father borrowed one and painted our
full basement with thick sealer without any problem at all.

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual
attempted to use it to spray flammable solvent and it
'flammabled'.

A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement
products. Can you recommend a currently produced brand?

Thanks!

--Winston



I used a Wagner Power Painter before. The kind that sprays similar to
a professional painter and has a tank on the top of the motor/pump
assembley for paint. I never had much issue as long as I poured the
paint through a filter into the painter after mixing. I didn't like
it much though because it seems to use twice as much paint as other
power painters.

Now I have a Spray Tech with the pickup tube that goes right into a
five gallon bucket. I have filter bags that go over the pickup tube,
and again. No real problems with it. It also does a good job of
covering and uses less paint than the Wagner by an order of
magnitude. I got the Spray Tech as a factory recon unit for about
$175 a few years ago. Its not bad for personal use, but if I was
going to do large jobs or use it everyday, I'ld probably spring for
the big chunk of cash for a Graco.

The key is you need to filter the clumps and skins no matter how well
you mix it. Latex IS hard to spray. You may still get some clogs.
On my Spray tech I just reverse the nozzle and shoot the clog out into
the drop cloth. Once in while I may need to pull the nozzle, but they
come out in seconds and go right back in as easily.

The other big deal, is taking care of your sprayer. You need to run a
LOT of water through it when you are done to thoroughly clean it out,
and then you need to fill the pump with seperating oil. If you don't
you will have a horrible time taking it apart and cleaning it before
you can use it again.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:27:42 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 21 Jul 2012 05:21:46 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:03:37 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Mine was produced by Graco about 30 years ago. I was thinking about
buying one of these when I couldn't find the cup a couple months ago,
but I found it. The Graco likes slightly thinned latexes, so I used
some Floetrol and warmed the paint before use. (paint gun in a tub of
hot water)

'Nuther vote for Graco. I persist in my search for that foolproof
rotary, though.

My rotary IS a Graco. I looked for it yesterday and couldn't find it,
or I'd have given you a model number to look for.

That *is* interesting!
I'd appreciate knowing the model number if it should
happen to appear.

(...)

HF (and most of the Chinese) wouldn't be caught dead hanging around with
the likes of the W people. They, at least, have face to save.

It'd be funny if a $19.00 HF airless performed acceptably where
a $80 Ryobi of the same general description fell down.


Cheaper to buy than rent, eh?

Stunningly so.
I got so much attitude from my local rental place that I just stopped
giving them money.

Ditto here. He's nice enough, but he doesn't answer his farkin' phone. I
last tried for 3 days and then finally went in on my way by. He claimed
to be there all the times I called.

'Like throwing money away. I don't understand the attitude.

--Winston

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:31:56 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

On Jul 20, 3:03Â*pm, Winston wrote:
I've got a stunningly bad track record with paint sprayers. They
generally clog up almost instantly and just fail to perform a minimal
job because I spend all my time cleaning.

I've got some very thick latex to apply now in a closet and I'm looking
for a completely clogless sprayer. I remember this thing called a Power
Master Airless Electric Paint Sprayer by Electro Engineering Products
Co, which flung the paint radially out of a slot in the front:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Master...Paint-Sprayer-
Model-4000-EE-Electro-Paint-Gun-/380455551823?
pt=Paint_Paint_Supplies&hash=item5894eb034f

I remember my sainted father borrowed one and painted our full basement
with thick sealer without any problem at all.

I understand that the company closed after an inDuhvidual attempted to
use it to spray flammable solvent and it 'flammabled'.

A cursory search of the 'net did not reveal any replacement products.
Can you recommend a currently produced brand?

Thanks!

--Winston



I used a Wagner Power Painter before. The kind that sprays similar to a
professional painter and has a tank on the top of the motor/pump
assembley for paint. I never had much issue as long as I poured the
paint through a filter into the painter after mixing. I didn't like it
much though because it seems to use twice as much paint as other power
painters.

Now I have a Spray Tech with the pickup tube that goes right into a five
gallon bucket. I have filter bags that go over the pickup tube, and
again. No real problems with it. It also does a good job of covering
and uses less paint than the Wagner by an order of magnitude. I got the
Spray Tech as a factory recon unit for about $175 a few years ago. Its
not bad for personal use, but if I was going to do large jobs or use it
everyday, I'ld probably spring for the big chunk of cash for a Graco.

The key is you need to filter the clumps and skins no matter how well
you mix it. Latex IS hard to spray. You may still get some clogs. On
my Spray tech I just reverse the nozzle and shoot the clog out into the
drop cloth. Once in while I may need to pull the nozzle, but they come
out in seconds and go right back in as easily.

The other big deal, is taking care of your sprayer. You need to run a
LOT of water through it when you are done to thoroughly clean it out,
and then you need to fill the pump with seperating oil. If you don't
you will have a horrible time taking it apart and cleaning it before you
can use it again.

Yup. The C-H airless I gave away was like that.
It worked Okay, though priming was always an exercise.

--Winston