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OT - clean gas tank of generator?
A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. It's been sitting quite a while,
so I cleaned the mouse nest out of it, cleaned the carb, etc. Now, the gas tank: it's a 5 gal poly tank with a dip tube. It could only be drained with a lot of trouble, so there was probably gas left in it to evaporate. Do I need to clean it and, if so, how? Thanks, Bob |
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On 2012-05-08, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. It's been sitting quite a while, so I cleaned the mouse nest out of it, cleaned the carb, etc. Now, the gas tank: it's a 5 gal poly tank with a dip tube. It could only be drained with a lot of trouble, so there was probably gas left in it to evaporate. Do I need to clean it and, if so, how? What does it contain now? How hard is it to take it off? |
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Ignoramus15546 wrote:
What does it contain now? It's empty. How hard is it to take it off? Hard, but I did take it off. Bob |
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: It's empty. I have a good friend at a local hardware store, who, given my claim that there was "only mineral spirits" in my generator tank, was willing to put it on the paint shaker for me. I had 1lb of steel #8 shot and 1 pt. of min-spir in the tank. After five minutes of mixing, it looked like new steel. Lloyd |
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com fired this volley
in .70: I had 1lb of steel #8 shot and 1 pt. of min-spir in the tank. After five minutes of mixing, it looked like new steel. OOPS! I might add that I put a dab of solder over the vent hole in the cap, and put a new gasket in it before the "ordeal". It _would_ leak, otherwise. LLoyd |
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That might be less than useful, since Bob mentioned having a plastic tank.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message .70... Bob Engelhardt fired this volley in : It's empty. I have a good friend at a local hardware store, who, given my claim that there was "only mineral spirits" in my generator tank, was willing to put it on the paint shaker for me. I had 1lb of steel #8 shot and 1 pt. of min-spir in the tank. After five minutes of mixing, it looked like new steel. Lloyd |
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I'd put in new gas, see if the generator runs. If so, don't over repair the
device. That's nice of your neighbor. I hope you thanked him (her) at least twice. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. It's been sitting quite a while, so I cleaned the mouse nest out of it, cleaned the carb, etc. Now, the gas tank: it's a 5 gal poly tank with a dip tube. It could only be drained with a lot of trouble, so there was probably gas left in it to evaporate. Do I need to clean it and, if so, how? Thanks, Bob |
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"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley
in : That might be less than useful, since Bob mentioned having a plastic tank. That's ANOTHER thing I don't like about UseNet. That never came across. But even a poly tank could use a "gentle" cleaning! G LLoyd |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd put in new gas, see if the generator runs. If so, don't over repair the device. I'm leaning that way. 'First I thought "Maybe there's residue from the gas & I should remove it". But nothing comes out when I turn it upside down and thump it. And there is a fuel filter. That's nice of your neighbor. I hope you thanked him (her) at least twice. We do each other a lot of favors. Mostly service from me and stuff from him. Thanks, Bob |
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Bummer. Well, any thing made by mankind will have errors of transmission.
I've over fixed enough things in my life. As I'm growing older, I tend to be more cautious about such repairs. I do hope Bob soon has a good running, dependable and quiet generator. I also hope his power stays on, and he never needs it. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message . 3.70... "Stormin Mormon" fired this volley in : That might be less than useful, since Bob mentioned having a plastic tank. That's ANOTHER thing I don't like about UseNet. That never came across. But even a poly tank could use a "gentle" cleaning! G LLoyd |
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Hey, I was just talking about you! Yeah, I'd gas it up and see if it works.
I'm guessing it's fine. I don't remember off hand, if you did the oil change. You'd likely know better than I, that air cooled engines need a good name brand of oil. My fav is Castrol, cause of how it ran, a couple vehicles ago. The only brand that quieted the piston rod knock more than two days. I'm encouraged that there are kind people left in the world. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: I'd put in new gas, see if the generator runs. If so, don't over repair the device. I'm leaning that way. 'First I thought "Maybe there's residue from the gas & I should remove it". But nothing comes out when I turn it upside down and thump it. And there is a fuel filter. That's nice of your neighbor. I hope you thanked him (her) at least twice. We do each other a lot of favors. Mostly service from me and stuff from him. Thanks, Bob |
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My first gas power generator, was given me by a relative. Wouldn't run.
Turns out to be a couple ounces low oil. 5,000 watt Coleman, that had a low oil safety. I traded it to my Dad. One evening, power cut, and generator would not start. A "helpful" neighbor sprayed ether in the spark plug hole, and that was the end of the generator. Washed the oil off the cylinder wall. Should have sprayed ether onto the air filter. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley
in : I do hope Bob soon has a good running, dependable and quiet generator. I also hope his power stays on, and he never needs it. I find that as long as I have a good generator (which I do) and run-check it monthly, I _never_ need it. On the other hand... G.. LLoyd |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... My first gas power generator, was given me by a relative. Wouldn't run. Turns out to be a couple ounces low oil. 5,000 watt Coleman, that had a low oil safety. Almost every engine-driven machine I own came from someone who no longer wanted to put up with its problems. Several were free gifts, including the garden tractor. It really pays to understand carburetors. jsw |
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Carburetors just want a little attention, that's all. With no attention,
carburetors get over bored. They will look for any man that will pour some alcohol in them, suck on their venturi, and make them spray gas. Then, they come home with their water about to burst, and sometimes with their needle stuck in their seat. Next, we'll have a program like Big Carburetors, to help carbs from going the wrong way in life. A venturi is a terrible thing to waste. Midnight power cuts, keep your small engines off the street. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Almost every engine-driven machine I own came from someone who no longer wanted to put up with its problems. Several were free gifts, including the garden tractor. It really pays to understand carburetors. jsw |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Carburetors just want a little attention, that's all. With no attention, carburetors get over bored. They will look for any man that will pour some alcohol in them, suck on their venturi, and make them spray gas. Then, they come home with their water about to burst, and sometimes with their needle stuck in their seat. Next, we'll have a program like Big Carburetors, to help carbs from going the wrong way in life. A venturi is a terrible thing to waste. Midnight power cuts, keep your small engines off the street. Christopher A. Young Do you normally start drinking this early in the morning? |
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Sounds like you have great attention to detail. You must be a machinist?
(My generator gets run every several years. I'm not a very good machinist.) Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message I find that as long as I have a good generator (which I do) and run-check it monthly, I _never_ need it. On the other hand... G.. LLoyd |
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Are you a humorless brain dead person who can only be comical while
intoxicated? Some of us can display occasional humor, as part of our normal day to day function. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Carburetors just want a little attention, that's all. With no attention, carburetors get over bored. They will look for any man that will pour some alcohol in them, suck on their venturi, and make them spray gas. Then, they come home with their water about to burst, and sometimes with their needle stuck in their seat. Next, we'll have a program like Big Carburetors, to help carbs from going the wrong way in life. A venturi is a terrible thing to waste. Midnight power cuts, keep your small engines off the street. Christopher A. Young Do you normally start drinking this early in the morning? |
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"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley in
: Sounds like you have great attention to detail. You must be a machinist? Not so much that as I am a simple lover of good, old, robust hardware. My farm tractor is a 1968 Deutz 56HP air-cooled diesel. My generator is a 1962 Dayton 3.5KW with a 10HP cast iron Briggs. My 'main' milling machine is a 1986 Bridgeport R2E4. My compressor was made all from scrapyard parts. I like to "rescue" good-quality old stuff, and put it back into useful service. Sometimes it's not much less expensive than newer equipment, by the time I get it fixed. But when I do, I know I have something that will probably out-live me. So... all that said; once I fix something, I like to maintain it. LLoyd |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Are you a humorless brain dead person who can only be comical while intoxicated? ... Hey, he just forgot the smileycon (it was typo). I'm sure. Bob |
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Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are the rich, for they shall inherit the peacemakers. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: Are you a humorless brain dead person who can only be comical while intoxicated? ... Hey, he just forgot the smileycon (it was typo). I'm sure. Bob |
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. ... I fired it up and it works great! Still have to test for full load (I'll use my weldor - it's the biggest portable load that I have.) The generator has a couple of features that I haven't seen befo - an "after fire preventer" on the carb. This is a solenoid which shuts off fuel from the carb float bowl when the ignition is switched off. It prevents fuel being drawn into the engine and exhausted into a hot muffler (after fire). - a automatic idle mode. This senses no-load (on both legs) and idles the engine until a load returns. There's a little circuit board in there for doing it. My wife is delighted - we have a little genny that can the TV, refrigerator, etc. But it's not 240v & can't run the pump. Now we can run _everything_ (well, maybe not all at once). Bob |
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Bob Engelhardt wrote: A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. ... I fired it up and it works great! Still have to test for full load (I'll use my weldor - it's the biggest portable load that I have.) Suggest a welder. Weldors object, as a rule. --Winston |
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Bob Engelhardt wrote: A neighbor gave me a 7500W generator. ... I fired it up and it works great! Still have to test for full load (I'll use my weldor - it's the biggest portable load that I have.) Bob The worst load I've seen is starting a 120V washing machine or air compressor that needs more than 25A momentarily. The breaker holds, but the output voltage drops below 100V, the motor doesn't reach speed and the start switch doesn't open. I have to start the washing machine by pushing the motor back with my toe to loosen the belt, the tankless air compressor by turning the pressure to zero and the tanked one by emptying it. A larger 240V generator (Coleman) was no better because apparently each 120V outlet has its own 20A winding. They are in series for 240V. These loads are above the range of a KillAWatt so I watch the peak current with an old analog Amprobe. jsw |
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"Jim Wilkins" fired this volley in news:jog88a$eb5
: the tankless air compressor by turning the pressure to zero and the tanked one by emptying it. Why? Ever heard of unloader valves? I have a small "almost tankless" compressor (Emglo) that has an unloader with enough hysteresis so that it won't even begin to re-supply air to the load until the motor is up to full speed. It's got enough capacity to handle one large or two "finish size" air nail guns at full work speed. I've used that compressor on a 100' extension cord, that being run by a genset. I can't speak to your washing machine problem, Jim, but you ought to be checking the function of your unloaders on the compressors. LLoyd |
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On 5/12/2012 4:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
.... If its a true..true 7500 watts..you might consider a transformer that will plug into the genset and convert to 240 volts. That will give you about 35000 watts @240 volts to work with. How you figure? 7500 W capacity from the genset would still be 7500 W after the step-up, just half the max current. 7.5kVA/120V -- 60-something A; halve that for 240V. -- |
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Some people don't know watt they are talking about. Like the current
conversation. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "dpb" wrote in message ... On 5/12/2012 4:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: .... If its a true..true 7500 watts..you might consider a transformer that will plug into the genset and convert to 240 volts. That will give you about 35000 watts @240 volts to work with. How you figure? 7500 W capacity from the genset would still be 7500 W after the step-up, just half the max current. 7.5kVA/120V -- 60-something A; halve that for 240V. -- |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2012 19:44:53 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: .... - we have a little genny that can the TV, refrigerator, etc. But it's not 240v & can't run the pump. ... If its a true..true 7500 watts..you might consider a transformer that will plug into the genset and convert to 240 volts. ... The new, 7500W one, is 240. The old small one isn't. Bob |
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