A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had
posed: "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder
our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against
an
army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else
they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals?

I'm more concerned about this scenario:

Gas goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Unemployment goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Supplies of food goes waaaaaaaaaay down due to lack of fertilizer (oil
based) and fuel.
Prices go waaaaaaaaaaaay up, or becomes almost unavailable.
Government services are restricted, in some cases fresh water and sewage.
People start a mass exodus from the cities that can no longer sustain them.
They steal their way inland towards the known foodbasket areas and those
with farm animals.
They hijack a car, and when it runs out of gas, get another.
LEOs are over run with calls for service, outgunned, or just outnumbered.
The hordes of locusts get to the people who are bunkered in, the "Doomsday
Preppers", and the nutcases who may have made the right call, and are
supplied.

Then the ugly part:

Defense of home and castle.

Lots of locusts out there, and defending any position in a military fashion
has its downsides, particularly when the enemy can wait you out. Seige
situations. And supplies will only last so long. And bullets. And people.

It's something to think about.

Steve

On 4/3/2012 6:19 PM, Steve B wrote:
A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had
posed: "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder
our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against
an
army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else
they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals?

I'm more concerned about this scenario:

Gas goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Unemployment goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Supplies of food goes waaaaaaaaaay down due to lack of fertilizer (oil
based) and fuel.
Prices go waaaaaaaaaaaay up, or becomes almost unavailable.
Government services are restricted, in some cases fresh water and sewage.
People start a mass exodus from the cities that can no longer sustain them.
They steal their way inland towards the known foodbasket areas and those
with farm animals.
They hijack a car, and when it runs out of gas, get another.
LEOs are over run with calls for service, outgunned, or just outnumbered.
The hordes of locusts get to the people who are bunkered in, the "Doomsday
Preppers", and the nutcases who may have made the right call, and are
supplied.

Then the ugly part:

Defense of home and castle.

Lots of locusts out there, and defending any position in a military fashion
has its downsides, particularly when the enemy can wait you out. Seige
situations. And supplies will only last so long. And bullets. And people.

It's something to think about.

Steve




Starvation happens rather quickly when the shelves go empty.
Within scant weeks disease blossoms.
Even those who thought they were safe and prepared fall.

On 4/3/2012 7:19 PM, Steve B wrote:
A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had
posed: "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder
our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against
an
army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else
they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals?

I'm more concerned about this scenario:

Gas goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Unemployment goes waaaaaaaaaaay up.
Supplies of food goes waaaaaaaaaay down due to lack of fertilizer (oil
based) and fuel.
Prices go waaaaaaaaaaaay up, or becomes almost unavailable.
Government services are restricted, in some cases fresh water and sewage.
People start a mass exodus from the cities that can no longer sustain them.
They steal their way inland towards the known foodbasket areas and those
with farm animals.
They hijack a car, and when it runs out of gas, get another.
LEOs are over run with calls for service, outgunned, or just outnumbered.
The hordes of locusts get to the people who are bunkered in, the "Doomsday
Preppers", and the nutcases who may have made the right call, and are
supplied.

Then the ugly part:

Defense of home and castle.

Lots of locusts out there, and defending any position in a military fashion
has its downsides, particularly when the enemy can wait you out. Seige
situations. And supplies will only last so long. And bullets. And people.

It's something to think about.

Steve



Book of recipes for "Two-legged Cattle? Most pork recipes will adapt
well. The key is the sauce!

What happens to people who actually ARE safe and prepared?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Richard" wrote in message
...

Starvation happens rather quickly when the shelves go empty.
Within scant weeks disease blossoms.
Even those who thought they were safe and prepared fall.

Red wine for French UN, and some cabbage for German UN?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...

Lots of locusts out there, and defending any position in a military
fashion
has its downsides, particularly when the enemy can wait you out. Seige
situations. And supplies will only last so long. And bullets. And
people.

It's something to think about.

Steve



Book of recipes for "Two-legged Cattle? Most pork recipes will adapt
well. The key is the sauce!

On 4/3/2012 8:33 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens to people who actually ARE safe and prepared?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message
...

Starvation happens rather quickly when the shelves go empty.
Within scant weeks disease blossoms.
Even those who thought they were safe and prepared fall.





Prepared for what?

Is your water supply protected from contamination?
Is your air bio-contamination safe?
Do you have medical expertise necessary to make your own serums?

Having a few months food stocked away isn't going to get it.

And, the people who have all those preparations (and are practiced in using
them) will be fine. Might not be many people to come out and play with.....

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Richard" wrote in message
m...
On 4/3/2012 8:33 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens to people who actually ARE safe and prepared?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message
...

Starvation happens rather quickly when the shelves go empty.
Within scant weeks disease blossoms.
Even those who thought they were safe and prepared fall.





Prepared for what?

Is your water supply protected from contamination?
Is your air bio-contamination safe?
Do you have medical expertise necessary to make your own serums?

Having a few months food stocked away isn't going to get it.

"Richard" wrote

Starvation happens rather quickly when the shelves go empty.
Within scant weeks disease blossoms.
Even those who thought they were safe and prepared fall.

I can see that preparation and stocking will give some people a little more
time. But after the siege mentality, it's a waiting game. At least the
seigers can hunt and gather. The thought of being in a besieged city in the
middle ages, and them throwing rotten cows or dead humans over the walls
into the city with trebuchets somewhat unnerves me when it comes to some of
these preppers thinking they can hold out.

Yes, if not assaulted, they may have food and provisions to hold out long
enough to make a difference in the final result. But there are going to be
lots of people trying to come in, and you can only go without sleep so long,
and you can only be lucky so long, too.

Steve

"Richard" wrote in message
m...
On 4/3/2012 8:33 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens to people who actually ARE safe and prepared?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

There will be no "safe" places. To defend an average 5 acre property would
take many people working shifts, and being heavily armed with superior
weapons. Sniping, booby traps, and artillery would take a toll. How many
people do you know who know how to do perimeter patrol effectively? And how
quickly would the people living in the compound consume what had been
stored.

Remember, you can't go out to the garden because you'll be sniped, and all
the meat bearing animals will be either stolen or killed. As with the
ancient Indians, bands of a few will be living in holes in the rock high up,
defending themselves against cannibalistic attackers. Yes, cannibalism was
verified in the post 1330 drought that brought down the Anasazi/Pueblo
culture who, at that time had a thriving agricultural water system, society,
and economy.

The idea the LDS proposes for their members to keep a supply of food on hand
is practical to protect against loss of income, hard times, and such, but in
a real social meltdown, it would be almost useless.

And what happens when friends, family, and neighbors start running out? How
do you select who you will share with, and how much will that dilute your
own chances for survival?

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

I can see that preparation and stocking will give some people a
little more time. But after the siege mentality, it's a waiting
game.
Steve

Historically when governments fail the inhabitants join into local
resistance cells and establish an active defense with patrols and
roadblocks, so a brutal small-unit civil war between raiding and
defending warlords develops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francs-tireurs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord

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