Just acquired an Alba4S shaper 18" stroke .
I'm looking for armstrong type tool holders ,preferably the T series
with no back rake .
A universal type would also be nice to have .
The shank size I need is 5/8 thicknes.
Ive looked on Ebay and thos on there are either too large in the shank
or are for planers.

Knowing some of you blokes on this forum are masters at finding stuff ,I
thought I would put out the word.

I also need a shaper vice , with jaws around 9" wide , but the cost of
shipping from the US would be deadly me thinks.
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:58:29 +0930, "Kevin(Bluey)"
wrote:

Just acquired an Alba4S shaper 18" stroke .
I'm looking for armstrong type tool holders ,preferably the T series
with no back rake .
A universal type would also be nice to have .
The shank size I need is 5/8 thicknes.
Ive looked on Ebay and thos on there are either too large in the shank
or are for planers.

Knowing some of you blokes on this forum are masters at finding stuff ,I
thought I would put out the word.

I also need a shaper vice , with jaws around 9" wide , but the cost of
shipping from the US would be deadly me thinks.

Ill check stock, but you can make a tool holder..well..three of them
easily enough, to hold a decent HSS 1/2" or 3/8"

Right, center and Left. Make 3 the same, then heat with a torch and
with a long bar..bend em to the right and to the left.

Ive got a vise to fit..but Im afraid it would be deadly indeed shipping
it to Oz.

Thats a very nice shaper btw. Got any photos?

Gunner

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in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:58:29 +0930, "Kevin(Bluey)"
wrote:

Just acquired an Alba4S shaper 18" stroke .
I'm looking for armstrong type tool holders ,preferably the T series
with no back rake .
Planer toolholders and zero-rake lathe toolholders work fine in
shapers. So does an HSS tool bit to fit the toolpost!

Regards,
Bob

On 1/17/2012 5:48 AM, Bob wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:58:29 +0930, "Kevin(Bluey)"
wrote:

Just acquired an Alba4S shaper 18" stroke .
I'm looking for armstrong type tool holders ,preferably the T series
with no back rake .
Planer toolholders and zero-rake lathe toolholders work fine in
shapers. So does an HSS tool bit to fit the toolpost!

Regards,
Bob

I'm no stranger to the operation of shapers and planers , used a few
over the years as a tool & die maker.

The planer tool holders I've found ( on Ebay ) are way to big to fit the
tool post slot .

Tool post slot is .050" under 3/4" and I'm not sure if its agood idea to
open the slot, might weaken the latern , I could make a new latern a
with a 3/4" slot I guess.
I have some 3/4" sq HSS bits , I guess I could send them out and get
them surface ground to fit.

Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.

--
Kevin (Bluey)
"I'm not young enough to know everything."

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:47:30 +0930, "Kevin(Bluey)"
wrote:


Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.

While zero rake is normal..they will run nicely with a bit of positive
rake, as long as you grind some relief. Hell..they will run with
negative relief if the machine is stout enough.


Gunner, with a 8" Logan and many hours on a 36" Cinci



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On 1/17/2012 7:17 PM, Kevin(Bluey) wrote:

Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.


Would it not be OK to just grind the toolbit, taking into account the
built in angle of a typical lathe tool holder, so the end result is the
same as with a zero rake type?

As an aside, but slightly related (because it has zero rake): I was
having trouble making a slot, until I tried a lathe's parting tool
holder, which also had a gooseneck feature. It changed from making the
shaping job a nasty ripply finish, to cutting smoothly as silk.

Shaper tyro.

On 1/17/2012 9:54 PM, Jordan wrote:
On 1/17/2012 7:17 PM, Kevin(Bluey) wrote:

Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.


Would it not be OK to just grind the toolbit, taking into account the
built in angle of a typical lathe tool holder, so the end result is the
same as with a zero rake type?

As an aside, but slightly related (because it has zero rake): I was
having trouble making a slot, until I tried a lathe's parting tool
holder, which also had a gooseneck feature. It changed from making the
shaping job a nasty ripply finish, to cutting smoothly as silk.

Shaper tyro.


Not a problem to grind the tool , ,it's just me , I just like to have
the tools to suit the machine . Toolaholic .

I have read that the gooseneck tool holders are good for preventing
chatter .
Also it depends on whether the cutting edge is in front of the clapper
pivot point or behind .
The Armstong universal tool holder can be set either way.
It takes some experimenting to see which give better results .
Haven't got to the slotting tools yet.
The shaper is still in bits and it will be a while before it's actually
running , Im being proactive and looking for bits so when it is ready to
run I have the stuff at the ready.

--
Kevin (Bluey)
"I'm not young enough to know everything."

On Jan 17, 6:01*am, "Kevin(Bluey)" wrote:
On 1/17/2012 9:54 PM, Jordan wrote:





On 1/17/2012 7:17 PM, Kevin(Bluey) wrote:

Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.

Would it not be OK to just grind the toolbit, taking into account the
built in angle of a typical lathe tool holder, so the end result is the
same as with a zero rake type?

As an aside, but slightly related (because it has zero rake): I was
having trouble making a slot, until I tried a lathe's parting tool
holder, which also had a gooseneck feature. It changed from making the
shaping job a nasty ripply finish, to cutting smoothly as silk.

Shaper tyro.

Not a problem to grind the tool , ,it's just me , I just like to have
the tools to suit the machine . Toolaholic .

I have read that the gooseneck tool holders are good for preventing
chatter .
Also it depends on whether the cutting edge is in front of the clapper
pivot point *or behind .
The Armstong universal tool holder can be set either way.
It takes some experimenting to see which give better results .
Haven't got to the slotting tools yet.
The shaper is still in bits and it will be a while before it's actually
running , Im being proactive and looking for bits so when it is ready to
run I have the stuff at the ready.

--
Kevin (Bluey)
"I'm not young enough to know everything."

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I had problems with chatter on the 7" AAMCO, so I took the advice in a
Brit shaper text and built one that put the tool bit behind the
clapper pivot plane. It had come with Armstrong-style tool holders,
just lathe lantern-style ones. No more problems after I made that,
just a nice "shoop-shoop" when cutting. Williams used to have a tool
shaper holder cataloged that would let the user put the bit at any
angle. I kind of copied that when I couldn't find the real deal on
the shelf for less than $200. Just used a rectangular section of hot-
rolled strip for the shank that the tool post held and made up a
sleeve that got welded on the end. Back end of the sleeve was behind
the clapper pivot. I took a fine thread 5/8" bolt, turned the head
round and drilled and filed a square hole in it next to the head to
fit a 1/4" bit. A nut and washer made up the rest. Filing the hole
took the longest time on the project, finished it all in an afternoon.

And a shaper without a vise is kind of like a car without tires, very
limited. Hope the shaper was bought cheap. I suppose a guy could make
one up from a regular mill vise with some sort of adapter plate and
shank for the pivot, probably wouldn't be as rigid as the real deal.

Stan

On 2012-01-17, Kevin(Bluey) wrote:
On 1/17/2012 5:48 AM, Bob wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:58:29 +0930, "Kevin(Bluey)"
wrote:

Just acquired an Alba4S shaper 18" stroke .
I'm looking for armstrong type tool holders ,preferably the T series
with no back rake .
Planer toolholders and zero-rake lathe toolholders work fine in
shapers. So does an HSS tool bit to fit the toolpost!

[ ... ]

I'm no stranger to the operation of shapers and planers , used a few
over the years as a tool & die maker.

Never had the pleasure of using (or even seeing in operation) a
planer -- but I have a 7" shaper which I love to use for various tasks.

[ ... ]

Zero rake lathe tool holders are not common here and very difficult to
find. I guess most of them got tossed out along with the shapers when
mills started to take over.

You'll also find the zero rake holders for lathes -- for holding
the brazed carbide insert turning tools. So if you include lathe tool
holders in your search, that might do what you need.

Good luck,
DoN.

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