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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
Existential Angst wrote:
http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877>1=33026 The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography, but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure. But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise -- altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap". Have you checked into Missouri? They are generally small-business friendly, relatively low taxes, not a lot of excess regulation, pretty cheap property values (really gotten very cheap lately, but it is not likely to stay that way). Jon |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:28:34 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote: Existential Angst wrote: http://money.msn.com/saving-money/10...5877>1=33026 The first listing, Sandusky, Ohio, gives the articles sources. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana seem to dominate -- haven't checked the geography, but mebbe all close to mfr'g towns? Elkhart, Indiana f'sure. But Cumberland, Md-W. Va (not dat far from me) was a bit of a surprise -- altho anything with W. Va. could explain "cheap". Have you checked into Missouri? They are generally small-business friendly, relatively low taxes, not a lot of excess regulation, pretty cheap property values (really gotten very cheap lately, but it is not likely to stay that way). Move to Misery? Mebbe not! Missouriably hot in the summer. Missouriably cold in the winter. Missouriably humid alla time. It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi There are one or two rednecks there in them thar Ozarks. I grew up downstairs, in Arkansas, as a kid. I have no use for the South or the Midwest or whatever they want to call those states. BTDT, got the sweat, said goodbye. -- Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
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Move to Misery? Mebbe not! Missouriably hot in the summer. Missouriably cold in the winter. Missouriably humid alla time. It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi There are one or two rednecks there in them thar Ozarks. I grew up downstairs, in Arkansas, as a kid. I have no use for the South or the Midwest or whatever they want to call those states. BTDT, got the sweat, said goodbye. I feel about the same. I grew up in far eastern KS and hated the summer climate. And mud all winter. Moved to MN for only one year. Then I met a lady, and I'm still here 35 years later. Neither of us like the long winter,so we are part of the snowbird population (to the FL keys) . Now we got the best of both. It is good that everybody has a different favorite spot, Otherwise we'd all go to one place and ruin it. Karl |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:35:34 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote: ... Move to Misery? Mebbe not! Missouriably hot in the summer. Missouriably cold in the winter. Missouriably humid alla time. It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi There are one or two rednecks there in them thar Ozarks. I grew up downstairs, in Arkansas, as a kid. I have no use for the South or the Midwest or whatever they want to call those states. BTDT, got the sweat, said goodbye. I feel about the same. I grew up in far eastern KS and hated the summer climate. And mud all winter. Moved to MN for only one year. Then I met a lady, and I'm still here 35 years later. Neither of us like the long winter,so we are part of the snowbird population (to the FL keys) . Now we got the best of both. But how do you handle the heat and/or humidity of spring/summer/fall? It is good that everybody has a different favorite spot, Otherwise we'd all go to one place and ruin it. Verily. That's what happened to my last state, CA. -- Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On 10/14/2011 07:35 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:
Moved to MN for only one year. Then I met a lady, and I'm still here 35 years later. Neither of us like the long winter,so we are part of the snowbird population (to the FL keys) . Now we got the best of both. Well, with a big machine shop in the basement, the snowbird thing won't work for me. Jon |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2011 07:35 AM, Karl Townsend wrote: ? ? Moved to MN for only one year. Then I met a lady, and I'm still here ? 35 years later. Neither of us like the long winter,so we are part of ? the snowbird population (to the FL keys) . Now we got the best of ? both. Well, with a big machine shop in the basement, the snowbird thing won't work for me. Think outside the box. You need a WINTER machine shop. ;-) -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On 10/17/2011 04:46 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2011 07:35 AM, Karl Townsend wrote: ? ? Moved to MN for only one year. Then I met a lady, and I'm still here ? 35 years later. Neither of us like the long winter,so we are part of ? the snowbird population (to the FL keys) . Now we got the best of ? both. Well, with a big machine shop in the basement, the snowbird thing won't work for me. Think outside the box. You need a WINTER machine shop. ;-) Uhhhhh..... Keeping what I have in good running condition is enough of a job. DOUBLING the number of machines, and then leaving one set idle for six months at a time is a recipe for DISASTER! Also, I'd need two sets of every document, two sets of all parts, etc. I shudder at the thought! Jon |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On 10/14/2011 06:32 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Move to Misery? Mebbe not! Missouriably hot in the summer. Missouriably cold in the winter. Missouriably humid alla time. It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi Well, tornadoes are really small phenomena, except maybe for Xenia Ohio. We've had a few, they really didn't do ALL that much damage, compared to a hurricane, for instance. The only lead is in Herculaneum, where they either built the biggest smelter in the US in the center of town, or the town grew up around the smelter. That IS a messy situation, the whole town is covered in lead dust. But, it is only that town that is affected. Hot? Yeah, it does get warm here, but nothing like south Texas in August, which I've been sent to a few times. Cold? Not really, we barely even have snow here any more! 30 years ago we used to have a fair bit of snow in the winter. Humid? Well, yes it does get a bit humid, but I haven't really seen it all that different across the middle of the US. Yes, it is drier in Arizona, but the summers there are not so good. So, it suits me pretty well here! And, I've been running a manufacturing business in my house for over 25 years, at two locations. My current location requires a business license, but it only costs me $25 or $35 a year, depending on gross sales the previous year. Oh yeah, I had to renew my fictitious name registration with the state a few years ago, it is not the awesome amount of something like $4 every decade! Seems pretty business-friendly to me. (Maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this , lest every home business type move in and wreck the advantage.) Jon |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2011 06:32 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: ? Move to Misery? Mebbe not! ? Missouriably hot in the summer. ? Missouriably cold in the winter. ? Missouriably humid alla time. ? It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi ? Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi Well, tornadoes are really small phenomena, except maybe for Xenia Ohio. Which Xenia tornado? I was stationed in Alaska when one hit in '73 or '74, and the news story stated that a Large steel making town in SW Ohio was badly damaged. That would have been Middletown, where I had relatives and phone service was out for almost a week before I could contact them. They told me that a heat treating plant in Xenia was badly damaged, not a steel mill. #@$%^&*()_ STUPID MSM! -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:26:40 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote: On 10/14/2011 06:32 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: Move to Misery? Mebbe not! Missouriably hot in the summer. Missouriably cold in the winter. Missouriably humid alla time. It's in Tornado Alley. http://goo.gl/Ifthi Watch out for the lead. http://goo.gl/BpcYi Well, tornadoes are really small phenomena, except maybe for Xenia Ohio. We've had a few, they really didn't do ALL that much damage, compared to a hurricane, for instance. The only lead is in Herculaneum, where they either built the biggest smelter in the US in the center of town, or the town grew up around the smelter. That IS a messy situation, the whole town is covered in lead dust. But, it is only that town that is affected. But there were mines everywhere and tailings downstream of everywhere those were. We have a few of those here, too. Copper, lead, gold. Hot? Yeah, it does get warm here, but nothing like south Texas in August, which I've been sent to a few times. Yabbut, in that humidity... Cold? Not really, we barely even have snow here any more! 30 years ago we used to have a fair bit of snow in the winter. Yabbut, in that humidity... Humid? Well, yes it does get a bit humid, but I haven't really seen it all that different across the middle of the US. Being "as bad as somewhere else" doesn't make it good. Yes, it is drier in Arizona, but the summers there are not so good. Yeah, it's a nice, dry heat in MiseryZona. So, it suits me pretty well here! And, I've been running a manufacturing business in my house for over 25 years, at two locations. My current location requires a business license, but it only costs me $25 or $35 a year, depending on gross sales the previous year. Oh yeah, I had to renew my fictitious name registration with the state a few years ago, it is not the awesome amount of something like $4 every decade! Now THAT sounds more like it. Seems pretty business-friendly to me. (Maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this , lest every home business type move in and wreck the advantage.) You're right! Look what happened to California. -- Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people can handle it. -- Hugh Macleod |
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