On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working. Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it. Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

And what is it you're referring to? Most Democrats are centrists. Most of
the "let downs" are among liberals.


When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

You don't have a TV, you don't seem to pay much attention to issues in any
detail, and you start off with a libretardian bias. Just what is it you
think you see?


Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working.

Why don't you see if YOU can, Larry? Hardly any of it has been implemented
yet, except for the parts that prevent insurance companies from denying
coverage for pre-existing conditions; the part that allows young adults to
remain on their parents' coverage until age 26; and a partial closing of the
Medicare Part D gap. A high-risk pool, a temporary thing that's in effect
until 2014, also is in effect.

Among those who's coverage that has effective, what statistics are you
looking at? Has it caused you any problems?


Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it.

Tell us about those stats, since you're implying that you know what they
are.

Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

Go look at the schedule of implementation for the Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act


--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 06:33:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working. Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it. Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...n-five-points/

Dem ID down five points
CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) – The number of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats is
at its lowest point in seven years, according to a new survey by Gallup
- a warning sign for the president and his party as the next race for
the White House gets set to begin.

According to the annual Gallup survey of party identification, 31
percent of Americans say they are Democrats – a number that is down five
percentage points from 2008 and is the same as it was in 2003 – the year
following impressive Republican gains in the House and Senate.

But Democrats can take some solace in the fact that an even smaller
percentage of Americans (29 percent) identify themselves as Republicans,
despite the GOP's hugely successful midterm elections that resulted in a
change of control in the House of Representatives. That percentage is up
2 points from last year but still significantly below the 34 percent
that said they affiliated with the GOP in 2004.

Meanwhile, those Americans who say they identify with neither party has
shot up to 38 percent, up 3 points since 2008 and among the highest it
has been in the 22 years Gallup has conducted the survey.

In a separate 2010 Gallup poll seeking to pin down the leanings of
independent voters, 45 percent of Americans said they were Democrats or
independents who leaned Democrat while 44 percent said the same about
Republicans. The 1-point advantage for President Obama's party is the
smallest in seven years.

The survey results are based on aggregated numbers from 21 different
Gallup and USA Today/Gallup polls conducted in 2010. In all, the results
include information gathered from more than 25,000 interviews with U.S.
adults by telephone.



And the trend is increasing.....


--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

On 7/17/2011 7:41 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Larry wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

And what is it you're referring to? Most Democrats are centrists. Most of
the "let downs" are among liberals.


When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

You don't have a TV, you don't seem to pay much attention to issues in any
detail, and you start off with a libretardian bias. Just what is it you
think you see?


Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working.

Why don't you see if YOU can, Larry? Hardly any of it has been implemented
yet, except for the parts that prevent insurance companies from denying
coverage for pre-existing conditions; the part that allows young adults to
remain on their parents' coverage until age 26; and a partial closing of the
Medicare Part D gap. A high-risk pool, a temporary thing that's in effect
until 2014, also is in effect.

Among those who's coverage that has effective, what statistics are you
looking at? Has it caused you any problems?


Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it.

Tell us about those stats, since you're implying that you know what they
are.

Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

Go look at the schedule of implementation for the Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act


Two tidbits of information came up recently. Yesterday on a panel
discussion with Ralph Nader, Ted Turner, and and insurance executive
named Lewis, Nader mentioned that when polling doctors and nurses they
come out strongly on the side of a single payer health care system.

The other is one I saw on TV where it was mentioned that the cost of
health care premiums was coming down due to the implementation of Obama
care. I can't remember which provision it was exactly but it was
actually bringing down premiums for the first time. Lastly, we haven't
begun to hear the positive effects that are coming from the increase to
26 years of age allowing kids to stay on their parent's policies. That
alone has got to be helping a lot of people.

So I'd say Obama care is having positive effects already and it's only
beginning to be implemented. As usual, you're going to see that the dire
predictions by the right wing about Obama care will be wrong. Just like
their predictions about tax increases or cuts, or Iraq.

Hawke

On 7/17/2011 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working. Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it. Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud


Oh look....FISH ON!!! (Don't ever give me a hard time about catching
those foul balls again!)

Obama is a GOD in the eyes of liberals, their eyes can't see beyond
that. Obama could eat live babies on prime-time TV and they would
complement his table manners. You can't be serious about trying to
apply logic, just sit back and enjoy.

On 7/17/2011 8:17 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 7/17/2011 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working. Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it. Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud


Oh look....FISH ON!!! (Don't ever give me a hard time about catching
those foul balls again!)

Obama is a GOD in the eyes of liberals, their eyes can't see beyond
that. Obama could eat live babies on prime-time TV and they would
complement his table manners. You can't be serious about trying to apply
logic, just sit back and enjoy.



Statements like that just show how out of touch you are. The truth is
Obama is in a lot of trouble with the progressive or liberal wing of the
Democratic party. I guess you never heard about that over at Foxnews.
The fact is Obama is getting all kinds of flack from his own supporters
over a lot of his decisions. He's getting criticized on Gitmo,
Afghanistan, his deal with the republicans that kept the Bush tax cuts
for two more years, and now his promising to make cuts in social safety
net programs, which you'll soon be wanting to participate in. So the
truth is many Democrats are criticizing Obama over many things. So wise
up. Nobody thinks Obama is perfect. It's just that when you compare him
to Bush it seems like he is.

Hawke

On Jul 18, 2:14*pm, Hawke wrote:
On 7/17/2011 8:17 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:





On 7/17/2011 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:20:37 -0500, Ignoramus29044
wrote:

I think that Obama has created a lot of hatred and disunity among
Republicans.

The amazing thing is that his actions haven't done that among the
Democrats, whom he has built up and then let down I don't know how
many times so far in his presidency.

When are you guys going to wake up? Use the wipers on your rose
colored glasses, please. See what's really going on. Please look at
both sides of the issues carefully. You're seeing rosewash.

Tell me who is better off in health terms with Obamacare, Ig. See if
you can scare up a single stat of it actually working. Then scare up
stats on how many doctors and other medical people are retiring
because of it. Look at the lawsuits from dozens of states, etc.

Now move on to other areas he's "helped". Any actuals yet?

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

Oh look....FISH ON!!! (Don't ever give me a hard time about catching
those foul balls again!)

Obama is a GOD in the eyes of liberals, their eyes can't see beyond
that. Obama could eat live babies on prime-time TV and they would
complement his table manners. You can't be serious about trying to apply
logic, just sit back and enjoy.

Statements like that just show how out of touch you are. The truth is
Obama is in a lot of trouble with the progressive or liberal wing of the
Democratic party. I guess you never heard about that over at Foxnews.
The fact is Obama is getting all kinds of flack from his own supporters
over a lot of his decisions. He's getting criticized on Gitmo,
Afghanistan, his deal with the republicans that kept the Bush tax cuts
for two more years, and now his promising to make cuts in social safety
net programs, which you'll soon be wanting to participate in. So the
truth is many Democrats are criticizing Obama over many things. So wise
up. Nobody thinks Obama is perfect. It's just that when you compare him
to Bush it seems like he is.

Hawke- Hide quoted text -

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Correct..I personally have a HUGE problem with the $585 BILLION
REPUBLICAN tax cut that Obama allowed to occur.

I also understand that the REPUBLICANS held the Country hostage to get
it...so I cut Obama some slack.

Just like they are doing now to get what they want..the Republicans
would rather destroy the Country than to compromise.

Time to do some conservative housecleaning come 2012.

TMT