"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Rich Grise" wrote in message

For heaven's sakes, let's put the reactors on oceangoing barges - didn't
we learn how to build undersea cables about a century or so ago?

Can you say, "tsunami"? d8-)

Yeah, that's why it makes sense to put them out on the high seas. When
we got the tsunami warnings, the boats that put out to see simply rode
it out - it's just a big, fast, longwave wave until it hits shore and
starts to break. On the open ocean, they're almost imperceptible:
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/T...n_tsunami.html

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I just read a report in a local paper, based on evaluations from the two
owners of nukes in NJ (We have four nukes in total, I think). They say we
have no danger from tsunamis, because the nearest fault line is in 8,000
feet of water and our continental shelf slopes so much that it can't build
up much of a tsunami. The nuke in Oyster Creek, home of the three-eyed,
eight-pound, glowing crabs (delicious and meaty!), supposedly is designed to
handle an 18-foot storm surge or tsunami.

However, we have had at least one Category 4 hurricane. How do those
reactors on a barge do when they're flipped upside-down? g

(Our local operators say that the situation in Japan is making them re-think
a lot of things, such as the 4-hour battery backup, which they want to
double or triple now.)

--
Ed Huntress

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Ok. "Oceangoing barges" sound like a possibility -- well out in the ocean.
Around here, the edge of the mid-Atlantic Continental Shelf it pretty far
out, and the waters of the shelf are pretty shallow. I don't know *how*
shallow they have to be to build up those big waves.

Pop down to the library and check out "Giving Good Weight" by John
McPhee, which includes an article (circa 1975) detailing the engineering
of a little project that was to be sited off the coast of NJ. I guess
you can also get it straight from the source (via web) if you are a paid
up New Yorker subscriber.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

On 2011-03-17, John wrote:
Ignoramus19837 wrote:
On 2011-03-16, F George wrote:

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy...to-catch-fire/

Everyone should read that article!


What I haven't seen is that when they catch fire it is a Metal fire.
The fire is so hot that it will break down water to grab the oxygen and
release free hydrogen that is where the free hydrogen is coming from
and with all the free hydrogen coming out of the reactors you can be
sure the rods are on fire. The same thing will happen with any metal
fire, Titanium, magnesium, and a bunch of other metals.

I think so. Me and my kids tried to pour water on burning magnesium,
it is fun to watch (but you need to wear safety glasses or a shield).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVh4NQ7geg

Same is with the nuclear fuel rod cladding.

i

On 2011-03-17, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Rich Grise" wrote in message

For heaven's sakes, let's put the reactors on oceangoing barges - didn't
we learn how to build undersea cables about a century or so ago?

Can you say, "tsunami"? d8-)

Yeah, that's why it makes sense to put them out on the high seas. When
we got the tsunami warnings, the boats that put out to see simply rode
it out - it's just a big, fast, longwave wave until it hits shore and
starts to break. On the open ocean, they're almost imperceptible:
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/T...n_tsunami.html

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I just read a report in a local paper, based on evaluations from the two
owners of nukes in NJ (We have four nukes in total, I think). They say we
have no danger from tsunamis, because the nearest fault line is in 8,000
feet of water and our continental shelf slopes so much that it can't build
up much of a tsunami. The nuke in Oyster Creek, home of the three-eyed,
eight-pound, glowing crabs (delicious and meaty!), supposedly is designed to
handle an 18-foot storm surge or tsunami.

However, we have had at least one Category 4 hurricane. How do those
reactors on a barge do when they're flipped upside-down? g

(Our local operators say that the situation in Japan is making them re-think
a lot of things, such as the 4-hour battery backup, which they want to
double or triple now.)


They should also hire a person who can change electric plugs on
cables. The Japanese brought in mobile generators, but could not use
them because "the plugs did not fit".

i

On Mar 17, 11:16*am, Ignoramus32087 ignoramus32...@NOSPAM.
32087.invalid wrote:
...
They should also hire a person who can change electric plugs on
cables. The Japanese brought in mobile generators, but could not use
them because "the plugs did not fit".
i-

In such a closely watched situation the lowest ranking person who
doesn't follow the book will be blamed for every problem that occurs
afterwards.

The Spec 4 (corporal) responsible for Abu Ghraib prison is a good
example.

On Mar 15, 10:52*pm, Ignoramus11979 ignoramus11...@NOSPAM.
11979.invalid wrote:
The plant is completely abandoned.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Radiat...stop-apf-33148...

``FUKUSHIMA, Japan (AP) -- Japan suspended operations to prevent a
stricken nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday after a surge in
radiation made it too dangerous for workers to remain at the facility.''

Anyway, I would personally vote for taking 10,000,000 Japanese here,
demographically representative, as immigrants. The pluses is that they
are hard working and law abiding and eat relatively little. The
challenge is that we will need to educate them about the duty of the
free people to keep and bear arms.

i

I would think that Japan could import all the unemployed conservatives
from the United States.

They could all stand around the reactors and pee on it to keep it cool
while listening to Rush and drinking beer.

TMT

On Mar 17, 11:47*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
...
I would think that Japan could import all the unemployed conservatives
from the United States.

They could all stand around the reactors and pee on it to keep it cool
while listening to Rush and drinking beer.

TMT-

You are like a little chained dog constantly yapping at passing cats.

"Ecnerwal" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Ok. "Oceangoing barges" sound like a possibility -- well out in the
ocean.
Around here, the edge of the mid-Atlantic Continental Shelf it pretty far
out, and the waters of the shelf are pretty shallow. I don't know *how*
shallow they have to be to build up those big waves.

Pop down to the library and check out "Giving Good Weight" by John
McPhee, which includes an article (circa 1975) detailing the engineering
of a little project that was to be sited off the coast of NJ. I guess
you can also get it straight from the source (via web) if you are a paid
up New Yorker subscriber.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Hmm. I read the book (and almost all of McPhee's books -- he's one of my
favorites), but it was 30 years ago and I don't remember. I'll have to look
for it. Thanks.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:35:22 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

Long and detailed pdf of power point presentation on
thorium/uranium reactor history. 98 pages with lots of
graphics so no dial-ups.

FWIW -- the thorium reactor was originally developed for the
atomic powered bomber.

http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/...oogle_LFTR.pdf


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).


What was that? Nuclear Physicist with balls of ...Thorium? Good thing
he didn't work in Germany around WWII and have someone find out that
he knew it would never fly from the start, but just wanted to spend
some $ to prove his own ideas !


SW

In article ,
Ignoramus32087 wrote:

They should also hire a person who can change electric plugs on
cables. The Japanese brought in mobile generators, but could not use
them because "the plugs did not fit".

Which is probably something like the reporter not being able to grasp
that wrong voltage/phase generators were obtained, and reporting it as
"the plugs would not fit." Reporters are rarely able to grasp technical
details and often report absurdly because of it. But heaven forfend that
someone in management who got the wrong sort of generators be
blamed...management is always blameless - it's a lack of plug-changers
that caused the meltdown. Yup.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:42:26 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Rich Grise" wrote in message

For heaven's sakes, let's put the reactors on oceangoing barges - didn't
we learn how to build undersea cables about a century or so ago?

Can you say, "tsunami"? d8-)

Yeah, that's why it makes sense to put them out on the high seas. When
we got the tsunami warnings, the boats that put out to see simply rode
it out - it's just a big, fast, longwave wave until it hits shore and
starts to break. On the open ocean, they're almost imperceptible:
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/T...n_tsunami.html

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I just read a report in a local paper, based on evaluations from the two
owners of nukes in NJ (We have four nukes in total, I think). They say we
have no danger from tsunamis, because the nearest fault line is in 8,000
feet of water and our continental shelf slopes so much that it can't build
up much of a tsunami. The nuke in Oyster Creek, home of the three-eyed,
eight-pound, glowing crabs (delicious and meaty!), supposedly is designed to
handle an 18-foot storm surge or tsunami.

However, we have had at least one Category 4 hurricane. How do those
reactors on a barge do when they're flipped upside-down? g

(Our local operators say that the situation in Japan is making them re-think
a lot of things, such as the 4-hour battery backup, which they want to
double or triple now.)


http://wet.kuleuven.be/wetenschapinb...lmatsunami.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/14/sc...pagewanted=all

That particular impact would have made it hard to find NJ, but there
very likely could be smaller Tsunami's in any large body of water.


SW

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:16:21 -0500, Ignoramus32087
wrote:

On 2011-03-17, Ed Huntress wrote:
(Our local operators say that the situation in Japan is making them re-think
a lot of things, such as the 4-hour battery backup, which they want to
double or triple now.)

They should also hire a person who can change electric plugs on
cables. The Japanese brought in mobile generators, but could not use
them because "the plugs did not fit".
i

I understand that you are being sarcastic. There are some reports that
Western Japan runs on a 50 Hz system and Eastern Japan runs at 60 Hz.
It's possible the generators brought in were incompatable for that
reason.
Dave

John R. Carroll wrote:

FOX is among the worst but research and fact checking is pretty weak

Oh, well, I guess we know where you stand.

accross the board.
The latest bon mot is that there has only been one nuclear incident in the
US (TMI) and no deaths.
Nuclear power is pretty safe but there are a bunch of concreted in
reactors around the country and the number of deaths is non-zero.

But there is a small voice of reason amongst the firestorm of hysteria; it's
by Ann Coulter, who might be a nut case, but she is a reporter, and she does
quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the NIMBYs,
like the warmingists, are impervious to facts and figures):
http://townhall.com/columnists/annco...t_on_radiation

Hope This Helps!
Rich

Rich Grise wrote:


quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the NIMBYs,


Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

-jim

"jim" wrote in message
...
Rich Grise wrote:


quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,


Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

John R. Carroll wrote:

Detroit Edison's Fermi complex is a nuclear electrical generating
facility, Rich.
It's in Monroe Michigan.

OK, so do you know the name of the person who was allegedly killed there?

Thanks,
Rich

jim wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

I'd LOVE to have some in my back yard - I could heat my house for free
for the rest of my life!

Thanks,
Rich

Ignoramus32087 wrote:
On 2011-03-17, John wrote:
Ignoramus19837 wrote:
On 2011-03-16, F George

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy...to-catch-fire/

Everyone should read that article!

What I haven't seen is that when they catch fire it is a Metal fire.
The fire is so hot that it will break down water to grab the oxygen and
release free hydrogen that is where the free hydrogen is coming from
and with all the free hydrogen coming out of the reactors you can be
sure the rods are on fire. The same thing will happen with any metal
fire, Titanium, magnesium, and a bunch of other metals.

I think so. Me and my kids tried to pour water on burning magnesium,
it is fun to watch (but you need to wear safety glasses or a shield).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVh4NQ7geg

Same is with the nuclear fuel rod cladding.

Oh, come on! Do you really believe this? Can you tell us exactly where
you got this information?

Thanks,
Rich

Rich Grise wrote:

jim wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

I'd LOVE to have some in my back yard - I could heat my house for free
for the rest of my life!

OK problem solved. that wasn't hard.

Rich Grise wrote:
jim wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,
Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

I'd LOVE to have some in my back yard - I could heat my house for free
for the rest of my life!

Thanks,
Rich



if you can feel the heat, it will be a short "rest of your life"...


--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

On Mar 17, 3:26*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:

FOX is among the worst but research and fact checking is pretty weak

Oh, well, I guess we know where you stand.

accross the board.
The latest bon mot is that there has only been one nuclear incident in the
US (TMI) and no deaths.
Nuclear power is pretty safe but there are a bunch of concreted in
reactors around the country and the number of deaths is non-zero.

But there is a small voice of reason amongst the firestorm of hysteria; it's
by Ann Coulter, who might be a nut case, but she is a reporter, and she does
quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the NIMBYs,
like the warmingists, are impervious to facts and figures):http://townhall.com/columnists/annco...glowing_report...

Hope This Helps!
Rich

"Crazy Ass" Ann is an entertainer for the conservatives.

She ceased to be a credible reporter decades ago.

TMT

On Mar 17, 3:42*pm, jim wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

-jim

The glow keeps Republicans up at night.

TMT

On Mar 17, 4:11*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message

...

Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

And sterile...but conservatives don't have to worry about that since
for them it is a natural condition.

TMT

On Mar 17, 5:11*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message

...

Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Are you talking about looking at Ann Coulter? That could indeed make a
body go blind. ;-)

On 3/17/2011 1:41 PM, Cross-Slide wrote:

Idaho National Labs.
An early reactor to possibly power remote DEW line installations, or
similar uses.
One of the operators was so hot they put him in an ambulance, then the
ambulance on a flat bed, and buried the flat bed itself.

Is this the one you're talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1


Jon

On Mar 17, 1:39*pm, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA wrote:
...
-- Unka George *(George McDuffee)
..............................

What was that? Nuclear Physicist with balls of ...Thorium? Good thing
he didn't work in Germany around WWII and have someone find out that
he knew it would never fly from the start, but just wanted to spend
some $ to prove his own ideas !

SW-

Why should he be different from the rest of them? They only had to
share the take with the biggest crook and liar of all, their boss:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Kammler

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Mar 17, 5:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message

...

Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)

Are you talking about looking at Ann Coulter? That could indeed make a
body go blind. ;-)

I actually was thinking of multiple rusted-out pickup trucks and rotted-out
water heaters.

If we could get the marketing data from J.C. Whitney, you could find the
libertarian covens by seeing where they sell the most muffler blowout
patches.

--
Ed Huntress

John R. Carroll wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:

Detroit Edison's Fermi complex is a nuclear electrical generating
facility, Rich.
It's in Monroe Michigan.

OK, so do you know the name of the person who was allegedly killed
there?

Besides my aunt Dolores' husband you mean?

Howcome nobody else has ever heard of the event? You'd think with
today's liberal NIMBY media bias, they'd be all over that like
stink on ****.

Do tell us more!

Thanks,
Rich

CaveLamb wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:

Which power generating reactor did this happen at? Got names, or are
you just posturing?

Rich, Google is your friend!

Or are you just posturing?

Do your own damn homework; you're the one who made the claim, it's
YOUR job to back it up.

Thanks,
Rich

John R. Carroll wrote:

Posing - as in bent over.
I think his googlefu is weak.

This is SOP - got no facts, so resort to ad hominem attacks.
GFY.

Rich

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:02:17 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Anyway, I would personally vote for taking 10,000,000 Japanese here,
demographically representative, as immigrants. The pluses is that they
are hard working and law abiding and eat relatively little. The
challenge is that we will need to educate them about the duty of the
free people to keep and bear arms.

No problem. They LOVE guns. I was marketing manager for a Japanese machine
tool company (Sodick, although later I had the same job with Wasino), and
one of the things our engineers liked most was when I took them out to the
range and then out for a beer.

Ditto. The local university used to have a summer program where
Japanese English teachers came here to burnish their English skills.
Each was assigned to an American host family. When I'd take our
"student" to the range, always many others asked to go along, and I
took as many as I could fit in my pickup truck. They have a great
interest in guns since it's very difficult to have one in Japan.

RWL

On Mar 17, 6:50*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message

...
On Mar 17, 5:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:





"jim" wrote in message

...

Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)
Are you talking about looking at Ann Coulter? That could indeed make a
body go blind. ;-)

I actually was thinking of multiple rusted-out pickup trucks and rotted-out
water heaters.

If we could get the marketing data from J.C. Whitney, you could find the
libertarian covens by seeing where they sell the most muffler blowout
patches.

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

ROTFLMAO

TMT

On Mar 17, 8:20*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:

Detroit Edison's Fermi complex is a nuclear electrical generating
facility, Rich.
It's in Monroe Michigan.

OK, so do you know the name of the person who was allegedly killed
there?

Besides my aunt Dolores' husband you mean?

Howcome nobody else has ever heard of the event? You'd think with
today's liberal NIMBY media bias, they'd be all over that like
stink on ****.

Do tell us more!

Thanks,
Rich

Yeah...you would think tha Faux News would be all over that but they
really need to learn how to read first before reporting the news.

TMT

John R. Carroll wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
Howcome nobody else has ever heard of the event?

We Almost Lost Detroit, a 1975 Reader's Digest book by John G. Fuller,

OK, I give up. You win.

Hope you feel better!
Rich

lid wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:16:21 -0500, Ignoramus32087
wrote:

On 2011-03-17, Ed wrote:
(Our local operators say that the situation in Japan is making them re-think
a lot of things, such as the 4-hour battery backup, which they want to
double or triple now.)

They should also hire a person who can change electric plugs on
cables. The Japanese brought in mobile generators, but could not use
them because "the plugs did not fit".
i

I understand that you are being sarcastic. There are some reports that
Western Japan runs on a 50 Hz system and Eastern Japan runs at 60 Hz.
It's possible the generators brought in were incompatable for that
reason.
Dave


I would suspect you could just crank up the govenor to get the 60 cps.
or crank it down to get the 50 Hz.

John

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Mar 17, 11:47Â*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
...
I would think that Japan could import all the unemployed conservatives
from the United States.

They could all stand around the reactors and pee on it to keep it cool
while listening to Rush and drinking beer.

TMT-

You are like a little chained dog constantly yapping at passing cats.

You put them out of our misery by PLONKING THEM, Jim, not by posting.
Please!

--
A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
-- William S. Burroughs

Rich Grise wrote:
Ignoramus32087 wrote:
On 2011-03-17, wrote:
Ignoramus19837 wrote:
On 2011-03-16, F George

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy...to-catch-fire/

Everyone should read that article!

What I haven't seen is that when they catch fire it is a Metal fire.
The fire is so hot that it will break down water to grab the oxygen and
release free hydrogen that is where the free hydrogen is coming from
and with all the free hydrogen coming out of the reactors you can be
sure the rods are on fire. The same thing will happen with any metal
fire, Titanium, magnesium, and a bunch of other metals.

I think so. Me and my kids tried to pour water on burning magnesium,
it is fun to watch (but you need to wear safety glasses or a shield).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVh4NQ7geg

Same is with the nuclear fuel rod cladding.

Oh, come on! Do you really believe this? Can you tell us exactly where
you got this information?

Thanks,
Rich



Look up info on a class D metal fire. Water breaks down from the heat
and the Oxygen released has greater affinity for the hot metal and
causes it to burn more fiercely. The Hydrogen is released into the air
or is re oxidised by the Oxygen in the air.

John

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 17, 5:11 pm, "Ed wrote:
wrote in message

...

Rich Grise wrote:

quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the
NIMBYs,

Commie socialists are awful generous with other people's back yards. Why
not put the **** in your backyard and leave the libertarian backyards
alone.

That's OK as long as you get a variance and put up 12' fences, so that
normal people don't have to look at it. It can make a body go blind. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Are you talking about looking at Ann Coulter? That could indeed make a
body go blind. ;-)

She is just about as annoying as the emergency alert tones they transmit
over the radio when there is an emergency.

John

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:26:19 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

John R. Carroll wrote:

FOX is among the worst but research and fact checking is pretty weak

Oh, well, I guess we know where you stand.

accross the board.
The latest bon mot is that there has only been one nuclear incident in the
US (TMI) and no deaths.
Nuclear power is pretty safe but there are a bunch of concreted in
reactors around the country and the number of deaths is non-zero.

But there is a small voice of reason amongst the firestorm of hysteria; it's
by Ann Coulter, who might be a nut case, but she is a reporter, and she does
quote verifiable facts and figures (but sometimes I think that the NIMBYs,
like the warmingists, are impervious to facts and figures):
http://townhall.com/columnists/annco...t_on_radiation

Interesting. Tucker showed some of the same data in his _Terrestrial
Energy_ book. One more stat from the book: 45% of any given population
will contract cancer anyway. (pg 325)

--
A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
-- William S. Burroughs

Jon Anderson wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

From that: " One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled
the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the
ceiling."

Ouch.

Jon