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My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one, it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

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You might as well start out with standard practices..

#1 - a compression check. Most everyone thinks they know how, but look it up
so you don't do it wrong.. which can be very misleading.

Seals can be replaced without an overhaul. Trouble is, ya might find scored
journals and bearings.
But if the journals and bearings are in good condition, keep everything very
clean during reassembly, and all should be fine (assuming the compression
check was good.

Plasti-gage optional, and a good idea.

If journals are scored (no plasti-gage required to determine that they need
replaced), the crank should be ground undersize to spec for undersize
bearings.

Then buy the correct bearings and proceed by keeping everything very clean
during the reassembly.
Plasti-gage is a good method of double-checking accuracy before closing up
the crankcase and running the engine only to find out it cranks too slowly,
or there are knocking noises.

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My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem
to be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one,
it will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I
may spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com



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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
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My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one, it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
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http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner

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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably
put an additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone
rebuilt one of these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything
complicated. I've rebuilt about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the
old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem to be available, probably even from
NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new
one, it will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half
checks out, I may spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know
the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are
gonna need and then some.

Gunner

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or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,


I think he meant a total rebuild - rings , rods & mains , seals , maybe an
overbore and pistons depending on taper and OOR . That's a flathead isn't it
? Might need valves/guides and a set of hard seats too . Not sure if
flatties even have valve guide seals ...

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner


Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.

Steve




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Steve B wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner


Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.

Steve



http://www.motorpower.net/pricing/f163.html

$415.00

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On 11/23/2010 9:28 AM, Steve B wrote:
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner


Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.


IIRC those had a water jacket manifold that would deteriorate over time.

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:03:01 -0500, "Steve W."
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Steve B wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner


Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.

Steve



http://www.motorpower.net/pricing/f163.html

$415.00



Actually, the front and rear main seals can usually be replaced
without tearing the engine apart. See if you can get aservice manual
on the vehicle and look at the procedure. Generally speaking the
front seal is pulled out and the replacement is driven in with a
driver or appropriately sized socket. The rear main is pretty much
the same.

Jim
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"Steve W." wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put
an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one
of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've
rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts
seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new
one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I
may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner


Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.

Steve



http://www.motorpower.net/pricing/f163.html

$415.00

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Thx. My $500 SWAG was close. By the time I replace everything I want to
do, I'll probably be in it $750.

Steve


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Steve B wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:39:16 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put
an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one
of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've
rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts
seem
to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new
one,
it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I
may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

$500 for what? The seals? $75 at most for all the seals you are gonna
need and then some.

Gunner

Gasket set, new mains, seals, rod bearings. Might as well go through it
while it's apart.

Steve



http://www.motorpower.net/pricing/f163.html

$415.00



Actually, the front and rear main seals can usually be replaced
without tearing the engine apart. See if you can get aservice manual
on the vehicle and look at the procedure. Generally speaking the
front seal is pulled out and the replacement is driven in with a
driver or appropriately sized socket. The rear main is pretty much
the same.

Jim


Hmm.. Interesting. Is that with the engine in place? I haven't looked at
it. Can you drop the pan without having to jack up the engine and take the
motor mounts off, or separate from the generator? I know the old Chebbies
had a rope seal that you could pull through with a piece of aircraft cable
that came with the kit. Doing those two without doing everything else would
be a nice alternative.

Steve




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What kind of engine is that? Is it a vehicle, a ATV, lawn mower, or
what? And what brand, how many CID, etc?

The one time I needed seals on a Dodge 6 cylinder, I did them myself.
Learned a lot, but didn't do much improvement to the leak rate.

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"Steve B" wrote in message
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My SA200 is leaking oil from front and rear seals. Will probably put
an
additive in there, but am not expecting a lot. Has anyone rebuilt one
of
these four bangers? Doesn't look like anything complicated. I've
rebuilt
about half a dozen V-8's in my life, the old 283/327 Chevies. Parts
seem to
be available, probably even from NAPA.

Ideas appreciated. I know it will cost a bit, but compared to a new
one, it
will be less, and I like this old gal. If the back half checks out, I
may
spring for it. I'm guessing $500. Anyone know the real price?

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
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replying to Steve B, DON SCHMIDT SCHMIDTY F163 wrote:
I HAVE REBUILT ABOUT 500 F163'S WHEN I WORKED AT VALLEY ENGINE IN CINCINNATI
OHIO FROM 1966 TO 1992 I WAS THE SUPERVISOR FOR THE CONTINENTAL ENGINE
REBUILDING DIVISON

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