Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

I figure there will be an initial demand which is fine with me. Main PC got a bit hinky
so I bought a new Dell with Raid 1 since I'm sick of dealing with failing hard disks. Then
I needed a new valve body for my car. Saturn TAAT transmissions have valve body issues if
you drive them far. I'm at 210K on that ride.

Poor car, over a million miles of driving and I finally hit a deer Friday. I was trying to
avoid that. Hopefully the insurance company is going to be nice to me, I need a fender,
headlight, hood bumped out and a side marker light. Just a fender cost 750 a few years
ago when a wild turkey hen committed suicide on the same car. Those plastic fenders are
great for door dings but they shatter when you take a real hit.

I gotta get my checking account back in shape before I buy another gun. All bets are off
though if the dealer has a compact in stock Saturday and I like it. I have a lot of
coffee cans with change in them. I'll roll up the dimes and nickels to go with the bunch
of quarters I've been holding in reserve for a decent AR-15.

Wes







--
Are we freer today than in 1968? If so, you must
believe in gun control.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the
compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod
cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course
want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer
down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard
model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll
put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?


You mistyped: "I don't need yet another." I'm sure you meant: "I don't
need another yet." ...but, soon!

(Do you remember the brand name of the trigger kit for your SA XD-40?
Somebody asked my and I can't remember.)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:10:13 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the
compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod
cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course
want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer
down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard
model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll
put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?


You mistyped: "I don't need yet another." I'm sure you meant: "I don't
need another yet." ...but, soon!

(Do you remember the brand name of the trigger kit for your SA XD-40?
Somebody asked my and I can't remember.)

This is the guy

http://shop.powderriverprecision.net...sc?productId=3

but I think the design has changed, probably for the better.
The price is higher than I remember, and it looks like more parts.

CZ 75 & 85 are solid, tough handguns and are very suitable as a core, but the finish and accuracy leave a great deal to be
desired. The barrels are typically rough, fit loosely and slug large. They rarely shoot better than a 6" group at 25 meters. They
are very particular about ammo because of the large bore. They are tough and reliable, but out of the box use is a bad idea. Get a
Barsto barrel oversize with a 1 in 16 twist and hand fit to the slide. Change the sights and it will shoot a 1" group at 25 meters
and shoot anything including pure lead handloads without jamming or fouling.
Steve

"Wes" wrote in message ...
Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

I figure there will be an initial demand which is fine with me. Main PC got a bit hinky
so I bought a new Dell with Raid 1 since I'm sick of dealing with failing hard disks. Then
I needed a new valve body for my car. Saturn TAAT transmissions have valve body issues if
you drive them far. I'm at 210K on that ride.

Poor car, over a million miles of driving and I finally hit a deer Friday. I was trying to
avoid that. Hopefully the insurance company is going to be nice to me, I need a fender,
headlight, hood bumped out and a side marker light. Just a fender cost 750 a few years
ago when a wild turkey hen committed suicide on the same car. Those plastic fenders are
great for door dings but they shatter when you take a real hit.

I gotta get my checking account back in shape before I buy another gun. All bets are off
though if the dealer has a compact in stock Saturday and I like it. I have a lot of
coffee cans with change in them. I'll roll up the dimes and nickels to go with the bunch
of quarters I've been holding in reserve for a decent AR-15.

Wes







--
Are we freer today than in 1968? If so, you must
believe in gun control.

Don Foreman wrote:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

That .357 sig is like a .357 magnum. A really hot pistol. Due the possiblity of neck
separations, I'd only shoot factory ammo for self defense carry but for shooting IDPA I'd
be fine with handloading. Bunch of mags and a .40 barrel, what is there not to like?

Sounds like an excellent deal for someone that is in your club. Did I mention how I
passed on a 99% Winchester 71 in .348 for $250 as a club special since I was in the middle
of a divorce? I'm even sicker now since I *thought* it was a Model 94 and my google to
refresh my memory tells me it had to be a 71. CHIT! I blew that one bad there.


In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?

It would be nice but I did a bit more checking. Place isn't open on Saturdays. I might
have to wait until the Christmas Holiday when I have a week off to visit. I might as
well put me on the gift list.

Wes

"Steve Lusardi" wrote:

CZ 75 & 85 are solid, tough handguns and are very suitable as a core, but the finish and accuracy leave a great deal to be
desired. The barrels are typically rough, fit loosely and slug large. They rarely shoot better than a 6" group at 25 meters. They
are very particular about ammo because of the large bore. They are tough and reliable, but out of the box use is a bad idea. Get a
Barsto barrel oversize with a 1 in 16 twist and hand fit to the slide. Change the sights and it will shoot a 1" group at 25 meters
and shoot anything including pure lead handloads without jamming or fouling.
Steve

Damn, you are making it sound like the Colt 1911 I qualified with in the Marines. I'll
keep your comments in mind. I had a 1911 on long time loan before I found out that was
illegal in my state. Peening the frame rails and some other things I learned sure
improved the accuracy compared to what I started with. BTW, that particular 1911 was the
first handgun I ever fired as a very young boy. I still have the pepsi can drilled
centrally.

To some degree, guns are kits. You buy a gun, change the grips, change springs, and
change out sights. It is *nice* to find a gun that you don't have to tweak much. Those
tend to be expensive.

I still have to put my hand around one and try it. I can lose interest in a firearm
pretty quickly if it doesn't feel right.

Wes

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:10:13 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not
the
compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod
cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of
course
want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer
down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard
model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll
put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?


You mistyped: "I don't need yet another." I'm sure you meant: "I don't
need another yet." ...but, soon!

(Do you remember the brand name of the trigger kit for your SA XD-40?
Somebody asked my and I can't remember.)

This is the guy

http://shop.powderriverprecision.net...sc?productId=3

but I think the design has changed, probably for the better.
The price is higher than I remember, and it looks like more parts.


Thanks, is sure is different. I still like the trigger I have but the grip
safety is now unreliable.

On 9/9/2010 9:37 PM, Wes wrote:
Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

Wes


I have a CZ75 Compact in 9mm. It is an excellent gun, heavy but an
excellent gun nonetheless. Reliable and very accurate. While it's a
compact gun it is not so good for concealed carry due to the weight. If
you want a carry gun I'd get the PCR or P1 model because they have
aluminum frames and are a lot lighter. Same gun otherwise. I would also
stay away from the .40 caliber. Many government agencies use them, which
as a government hater, you should take into account. Remember the
government does everything badly so if they use the .40 then it's a bad
choice of caliber. So you should get the CZ in 9mm. It does everything
as well as the .40 does, costs less, kicks less, and you can always find
9mm ammunition. Just my view. But I've had CZs for years and know them
very well.

Hawke

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:37:52 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 9/9/2010 9:37 PM, Wes wrote:
Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

Wes


I have a CZ75 Compact in 9mm. It is an excellent gun, heavy but an
excellent gun nonetheless. Reliable and very accurate. While it's a
compact gun it is not so good for concealed carry due to the weight. If
you want a carry gun I'd get the PCR or P1 model because they have
aluminum frames and are a lot lighter. Same gun otherwise. I would also
stay away from the .40 caliber. Many government agencies use them, which
as a government hater, you should take into account. Remember the
government does everything badly so if they use the .40 then it's a bad
choice of caliber. So you should get the CZ in 9mm. It does everything
as well as the .40 does, costs less, kicks less, and you can always find
9mm ammunition. Just my view. But I've had CZs for years and know them
very well.

Hawke

You hadda pull Gunner's stopper chain, didn't you! G

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!




I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:14:24 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

CZ 75 & 85 are solid, tough handguns and are very suitable as a core, but the finish and accuracy leave a great deal to be
desired. The barrels are typically rough, fit loosely and slug large. They rarely shoot better than a 6" group at 25 meters. They
are very particular about ammo because of the large bore. They are tough and reliable, but out of the box use is a bad idea. Get a
Barsto barrel oversize with a 1 in 16 twist and hand fit to the slide. Change the sights and it will shoot a 1" group at 25 meters
and shoot anything including pure lead handloads without jamming or fouling.
Steve

I have a CZ 75 clone (Tanfoglio) compact in 9mm that does rather
nicely.

Like almost all "clones" of the CZ-75, the Springfield P9 series was
actually produced by Tanfoglio of Italy.
They sent unfinished parts to Springfield who finished them out and
assembled them.

Quality on the P9 series was very high, at the time, probably the best
quality of all the Tanfoglio imports.
Accuracy and reliability is usually excellent.

Springfield P9C

http://media.photobucket.com/image/s...ngfieldP9C.jpg

Its on my CCW as well..along with (2) .45s..so I think highly of it.
Even if its in a poodle shooter caliber.
Does nicely








"Wes" wrote in message ...
Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not the compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of course want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll put down a
deposit on the compact.

I figure there will be an initial demand which is fine with me. Main PC got a bit hinky
so I bought a new Dell with Raid 1 since I'm sick of dealing with failing hard disks. Then
I needed a new valve body for my car. Saturn TAAT transmissions have valve body issues if
you drive them far. I'm at 210K on that ride.

Poor car, over a million miles of driving and I finally hit a deer Friday. I was trying to
avoid that. Hopefully the insurance company is going to be nice to me, I need a fender,
headlight, hood bumped out and a side marker light. Just a fender cost 750 a few years
ago when a wild turkey hen committed suicide on the same car. Those plastic fenders are
great for door dings but they shatter when you take a real hit.

I gotta get my checking account back in shape before I buy another gun. All bets are off
though if the dealer has a compact in stock Saturday and I like it. I have a lot of
coffee cans with change in them. I'll roll up the dimes and nickels to go with the bunch
of quarters I've been holding in reserve for a decent AR-15.

Wes







--
Are we freer today than in 1968? If so, you must
believe in gun control.


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:06:46 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:10:13 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Doing a bit more research on a new carry gun had me finding this.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...s/cz75_091305/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

I can find a regular CZ-75 near me using Davidson's Gun Genie but not
the
compact at this
time. I remember you talking about it and the most recent proarms pod
cast had a serious
shooter using a cz-75 in matches. I think he is shooting a 9, I of
course
want a .40
which is almost as ubiquitous as far as ammo. With the option of hammer
down or cocked
and locked could shoot it in two different IDPA classes.

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI Saturday to look at the standard
model and see
when that dealer will have a compact. If I like the standard CZ-75 I'll
put down a
deposit on the compact.

Funny you should mention that just now. Got the club newsletter
today. A member has a CZ-75 in .40 for sale (to members only) for
$500 with an extra Bar-Sto barrel in .357 sig and a bunch of
magazines. It did pique my interest, but while I certainly do enjoy my
handguns I don't need yet another.

In your case, what's not to like about a drive up to Petosky on a
lovely autumn day, right?


You mistyped: "I don't need yet another." I'm sure you meant: "I don't
need another yet." ...but, soon!

(Do you remember the brand name of the trigger kit for your SA XD-40?
Somebody asked my and I can't remember.)

This is the guy

http://shop.powderriverprecision.net...sc?productId=3

but I think the design has changed, probably for the better.
The price is higher than I remember, and it looks like more parts.


Thanks, is sure is different. I still like the trigger I have but the grip
safety is now unreliable.

Not good! The grip safety was a significant factor in my choice of
XD over Glock in a .40 for HD. Do you think there's any correllation
between your grip safety issue and the trigger mod?

I never did do the trigger mod on my .40. I bought the kit, but after
doing some CQB training with that pistol and being quite satisfied
(surprised, actually) with my performance, I decided that the stock
trigger suffices nicely for me for its intended mission. I have other
handguns for punching paper precisely during gunsmoke socials.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:19 -0400, Wes
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote:

CZ 75 & 85 are solid, tough handguns and are very suitable as a core, but the finish and accuracy leave a great deal to be
desired. The barrels are typically rough, fit loosely and slug large. They rarely shoot better than a 6" group at 25 meters. They
are very particular about ammo because of the large bore. They are tough and reliable, but out of the box use is a bad idea. Get a
Barsto barrel oversize with a 1 in 16 twist and hand fit to the slide. Change the sights and it will shoot a 1" group at 25 meters
and shoot anything including pure lead handloads without jamming or fouling.
Steve

Damn, you are making it sound like the Colt 1911 I qualified with in the Marines. I'll
keep your comments in mind. I had a 1911 on long time loan before I found out that was
illegal in my state. Peening the frame rails and some other things I learned sure
improved the accuracy compared to what I started with. BTW, that particular 1911 was the
first handgun I ever fired as a very young boy. I still have the pepsi can drilled
centrally.

To some degree, guns are kits. You buy a gun, change the grips, change springs, and
change out sights. It is *nice* to find a gun that you don't have to tweak much. Those
tend to be expensive.

I still have to put my hand around one and try it. I can lose interest in a firearm
pretty quickly if it doesn't feel right.

Wes

Ive got a vault filled with guns I dont shoot much, cause they dont feel
"quite right", but all shoot well enough



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:46:38 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:04:03 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:35:00 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:19 -0400, Wes
wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote:

CZ 75 & 85 are solid, tough handguns and are very suitable as a core, but the finish and accuracy leave a great deal to be
desired. The barrels are typically rough, fit loosely and slug large. They rarely shoot better than a 6" group at 25 meters. They
are very particular about ammo because of the large bore. They are tough and reliable, but out of the box use is a bad idea. Get a
Barsto barrel oversize with a 1 in 16 twist and hand fit to the slide. Change the sights and it will shoot a 1" group at 25 meters
and shoot anything including pure lead handloads without jamming or fouling.
Steve

Damn, you are making it sound like the Colt 1911 I qualified with in the Marines. I'll
keep your comments in mind. I had a 1911 on long time loan before I found out that was
illegal in my state. Peening the frame rails and some other things I learned sure
improved the accuracy compared to what I started with. BTW, that particular 1911 was the
first handgun I ever fired as a very young boy. I still have the pepsi can drilled
centrally.

To some degree, guns are kits. You buy a gun, change the grips, change springs, and
change out sights. It is *nice* to find a gun that you don't have to tweak much. Those
tend to be expensive.

I still have to put my hand around one and try it. I can lose interest in a firearm
pretty quickly if it doesn't feel right.

Wes

Ive got a vault filled with guns I dont shoot much, cause they dont feel
"quite right", but all shoot well enough

Given a surfeit of guns that do feel right, why do you keep any that
don't feel right?

Im among other things...a collector. While they may not "feel right",
they are worth money, are of collectors interest, have historical
significance and so forth. They are worth money.

And they still shoot properly. Ive a handful of weapons..well..double
handful..that Ive aquired over the years that when I pick them
up..become part of me. Same type of weapon, same model, barrel length,
weight etc etc...lets say a S&W Mod 57, 4" .41 mag. I may have
several..but only 1 feels "right".

Im sure you have handled weapons that have felt "wrong" or "not right"
yet when picking up another example of the same weapon..felt "right"

Kharma, pychic bond...touch, smell..whatever...but those of us who
handle a lot of weapons..we have found a few that "bond" to us
instantly.

Blades, swords and other similar tools often have the same feel. I have
a katana...turn of the 20th century Japanese long sword that became mine
when I held it the first time. Its not pretty, is very plain...but it
was made for "me". I think Im simply another of the line of those it was
made for.......or its spent the last 100 yrs looking for me. Shrug.

Can one explain it? Not I. But it Does happen.

Many of mine have been used in war or self defense. Im more sensitive to
those and yet...some dont feel "right" in my hands. In others
hands...different story.....

I gave away a rather expensive rifle once to a friend, who while
prowling through my collection..instantly bonded with a it. It became
part of him. letting him shoot it at the range proved they had become a
team instantly on introduction. So I gave it to him. It was only
fitting. And he will likely be buried with it. They are One when its in
his hands.

And it had taken lives in its history. I told him exactly what he was
getting and the details....and he has used it only for peaceful purposes
so far. But I trust him to watch my back if its in his hands.

It was not an arm that was "right" in my hands, so he got it.

Gunner



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:15:23 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:38:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:46:38 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:43 -0400, Wes
wrote:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:15:23 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.

After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

Ayup, 15 years it is. BTDT, got the t-shirt.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:48:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.

Maxome Home made it to you I see... G

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Hawke wrote:

I have a CZ75 Compact in 9mm. It is an excellent gun, heavy but an
excellent gun nonetheless. Reliable and very accurate. While it's a
compact gun it is not so good for concealed carry due to the weight. If
you want a carry gun I'd get the PCR or P1 model because they have
aluminum frames and are a lot lighter. Same gun otherwise. I would also
stay away from the .40 caliber. Many government agencies use them, which
as a government hater, you should take into account. Remember the
government does everything badly so if they use the .40 then it's a bad
choice of caliber. So you should get the CZ in 9mm. It does everything
as well as the .40 does, costs less, kicks less, and you can always find
9mm ammunition. Just my view. But I've had CZs for years and know them
very well.

Hawke

Thanks for the report. I wonder how durable an alloy frame is if shot a lot? A lot
meaning say 250 rounds a week.

The PCR seems only available in 9mm btw. I tried to download the manual for it from the
manufacturers website and I get a zero length file. The usa site doesn't have a manual
for it.

Around my area.40 s&w has been easier to find than 9 mm all during the sellers market
which still seems to be in effect.

You know the government (FBI) tried the 10mm but had to dumb it down

Wes

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:34:39 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:48:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.

Maxome Home made it to you I see... G

I have it, and the others, on the HD. Wild. Claws that Snatch, up
next
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:59:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:34:39 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:48:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.

Maxome Home made it to you I see... G

I have it, and the others, on the HD. Wild. Claws that Snatch, up
next

Im on Chapter 12. Thought rereading the series made sense.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:46:20 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

Im among other things...a collector. While they may not "feel right",
they are worth money, are of collectors interest, have historical
significance and so forth. They are worth money.

No way my three or so 1895 Nagants are going to be carry guns. Obviously I keep those for
historical purposes. For those that wonder why I would want such an ancient and low
powered handgun, it was the only revolver that ever solved the gas leakage 'problem' that
is inherent in a revolver.

I've had a box of Fiocchi 7.62 Naganat (that is how it is spelled on the box) for years.
One of these days I'm going to shoot one of those pistols. I actually have one with a
decent trigger, at least what is considered decent for one of these revolvers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895


Wes\
http://www.makarov.com/nagant/m1895.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=307220

I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

One of the advantages of the CZ is the overall heat treatment. It is uniform and consistent. Many of the competitors out there do
not harder either the frame or the slide. Browning used to, but no more. Aluminum frames will not hold up to 250 a week. 5000 rds
or less and they are shot out. On another point, the more nose heavy the hand gun is, the more consistent its accuracy. Light
weight handguns are more susceptible to both poor trigger work and grip on the part of the shooter. CZs are not as nose heavy as I
prefer, but they hold up to heavy use extremely well.
Steve

"Wes" wrote in message ...
Hawke wrote:

I have a CZ75 Compact in 9mm. It is an excellent gun, heavy but an
excellent gun nonetheless. Reliable and very accurate. While it's a
compact gun it is not so good for concealed carry due to the weight. If
you want a carry gun I'd get the PCR or P1 model because they have
aluminum frames and are a lot lighter. Same gun otherwise. I would also
stay away from the .40 caliber. Many government agencies use them, which
as a government hater, you should take into account. Remember the
government does everything badly so if they use the .40 then it's a bad
choice of caliber. So you should get the CZ in 9mm. It does everything
as well as the .40 does, costs less, kicks less, and you can always find
9mm ammunition. Just my view. But I've had CZs for years and know them
very well.

Hawke

Thanks for the report. I wonder how durable an alloy frame is if shot a lot? A lot
meaning say 250 rounds a week.

The PCR seems only available in 9mm btw. I tried to download the manual for it from the
manufacturers website and I get a zero length file. The usa site doesn't have a manual
for it.

Around my area.40 s&w has been easier to find than 9 mm all during the sellers market
which still seems to be in effect.

You know the government (FBI) tried the 10mm but had to dumb it down

Wes

Gunner Asch on Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:44:05 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:59:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:34:39 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:48:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.

Maxome Home made it to you I see... G

I have it, and the others, on the HD. Wild. Claws that Snatch, up
next

Im on Chapter 12. Thought rereading the series made sense.

Chapter 19 - the Space marines (et al) just turned into Anime
characters.

And I am not getting anything on my list done. Like I said,
books on computers, for me, bad idea.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:26:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:44:05 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:59:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:34:39 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:48:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:37:23 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

This is worth a drive up to Petosky, MI

If you run into a lady..probably mid 50s now..who's maiden name was
Patty Wilde...tell her an old friend says hi!

You knew Wild Patty? Hooaaahhhh! (Just kidding...)


From what I understand after I recontacted her in the mid 80s during my
PI days...she was hiding out from nearly 15 yrs of excess..

First "real" love.

Shrug

Gunner

Roger that. Fifteen years seems to be a magic number. Been there,
done that.


After 15 yrs of burning ones brain and genitals out for fun and
pleasure...it seems the glow fades for a while and when it comes
back..its smarter and more temperant.

I recall an article about the Blonde Assistants of so many
prominent men. The writers theory was that the "blonde party girl"
would reach a point (if she survived) where the partying got old. And
would "go into retreat" and emerge the Executive Assistant. Sharp
looking, sharp dresser, smart as a whip, and focused.
Remained me of a story, where the aliens are a matriarchy of
sorts. Males are okay for combat, but leadership is restricted to
mothers. Females after The Change. Prior to The Change, they are
breeders, and not too smart. Very good at child whelping and raising,
but 'all blond all the time' on anything else. Come the change, and
everything they've been 'taught' cuts in.

Maxome Home made it to you I see... G

I have it, and the others, on the HD. Wild. Claws that Snatch, up
next

Im on Chapter 12. Thought rereading the series made sense.

Chapter 19 - the Space marines (et al) just turned into Anime
characters.

Book 5 should be interesting, if they every get around to writing it.

And I am not getting anything on my list done. Like I said,
books on computers, for me, bad idea.

Ive been working out in the shop, doing some machining. Scored some
1 1/4x 1 1/4 lathe tooling this week, and have been machining it down
to fit my KDK series 200 quick change tool holders. And sorting
through the 5-6 lbs of new inserts that fit em.

Slow day. Sunday. Yawn

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Thanks for the report. I wonder how durable an alloy frame is if shot a lot? A lot
meaning say 250 rounds a week.

The PCR seems only available in 9mm btw. I tried to download the manual for it from the
manufacturers website and I get a zero length file. The usa site doesn't have a manual
for it.

Around my area.40 s&w has been easier to find than 9 mm all during the sellers market
which still seems to be in effect.

You know the government (FBI) tried the 10mm but had to dumb it down

Wes

I love CZs, by the way. I suggest using the CZ75 compact for practice.
It's extremely durable and accurate. It's a great gun but it doesn't
like lead bullets. The PCR I recommend for carry and not to shoot it a
lot. They are the same gun just different material in their frames.
Whichever one you pick you don't have to worry about aluminum frames not
being durable. You have to really work at it to crack a frame on a good
aluminum framed gun. They should last longer than you do.

I just have a thing about the .40 caliber. I don't like it. It seems
like something the manufacturers made for sales and not because anyone
needed it. 9mms with good ammo today are really good at stopping people.
But if that isn't enough then the .45 ought to satisfy anyone in the
power dept. So why do you need one in between? I just don't see any use
for it. As for the 10mm I feel the same way. The experts know what it
takes to stop a human being these days. The 10mm just gives a lot more
than is required. The added cost and recoil make it hard for a lot of
people to control it. So it eliminates itself from the list of guns for
most people. If you have to use a gun you need one that you can shoot
accurately. That's the most important thing not the caliber. It's a fact
that most people shoot 9mms and .38 specials a lot better than they do
the bigger cartridges. I think the choice is easy. It makes a lot more
sense to have a less powerful cartridge where you can put your shots
where you want them than to use a more powerful one that you can't. An
example is the Glock 19 vs the 22. Same gun but one is a 9 and the other
is a .40. I'd take the 9 any day of the week and I wouldn't feel for a
second that if you had the .40 you would have any advantage, but you
would have less shots in the magazine. To me that's the advantage I
want. Nothing worse than running out of ammo in a gunfight.

Hawke

Hawke wrote:

Because you can get used to any gun if you use it
long enough. By the way, most .380s are blowback actions so they tend to
kick hard. I've shot some aluminum frame .380s that darn well hurt to
shoot. So there you go, even a small caliber in a light gun can be wrong
for a woman. Small revolvers make a lot of sense to me but lots of
people don't want them these days. Old fashioned I guess. Funny, I like
them a lot. You can count on them.


My old Bersa 95 in .380 has an alloy frame and has a very satisfying kick when I fire it.
All most feels like a real gun. A scandium revolver would be a real hoot!

I love revolvers but 5 shots doesn't have the draw of 6,7,8 or more. Short of a squib
that can tie up the cylinder, they go bang, instantly move on to another round if there is
a failure to fire. 1v1 1v2 5 shots should get you some relief from your situation.

Wes

Hawke wrote:


Thanks for the report. I wonder how durable an alloy frame is if shot a lot? A lot
meaning say 250 rounds a week.

The PCR seems only available in 9mm btw. I tried to download the manual for it from the
manufacturers website and I get a zero length file. The usa site doesn't have a manual
for it.

Around my area.40 s&w has been easier to find than 9 mm all during the sellers market
which still seems to be in effect.

You know the government (FBI) tried the 10mm but had to dumb it down

Wes

I love CZs, by the way. I suggest using the CZ75 compact for practice.
It's extremely durable and accurate. It's a great gun but it doesn't
like lead bullets. The PCR I recommend for carry and not to shoot it a
lot. They are the same gun just different material in their frames.
Whichever one you pick you don't have to worry about aluminum frames not
being durable. You have to really work at it to crack a frame on a good
aluminum framed gun. They should last longer than you do.

I must admit my Bersa .380 with an aluminum frame which has 1000's of rounds down the tube
is holding up just fine. Only lost a grip screw from it so far.

My P90DC has a bit fewer rounds but way over normal for most people. It has an aluminum
frame and is holding up. I just hate the damn trigger on it. Stone cold reliable though.
Not so much fun to carry. I had high hopes for a recent IWB holster. Maybe I can tweak
the set up a bit more. Have it ride a bit lower, add some leather to the muzzle end. This
is a supertuck deluxe but my barrel extends past the leather. I figure at worse, a hair
dryer and a new gun might repurpose it. I understand reforming the kydex is do able.


I just have a thing about the .40 caliber. I don't like it. It seems
like something the manufacturers made for sales and not because anyone
needed it. 9mms with good ammo today are really good at stopping people.

I've heard that. I've heard that decent ammo in a .380 is better than it was.

But if that isn't enough then the .45 ought to satisfy anyone in the
power dept. So why do you need one in between?

Well it is a compromise between the small and fast vs big and slow types of thinking.

The .357 Sig was designed to approximate the 125 grain .357 mag revolver loads that did a
great job over the 158 grain stuff. The .45 has always had that magic even though it goes
slow and your gun can't hold much.

The .40 is fairly big, it is fairly fast, and your gun holds a fair amount. So far I
haven't heard that law enforcement is unsatisfied by it so to me, it sounds like a good
choice. I have a bias to bigger holes if one wants something to stop doing what they were
doing quickly.


I just don't see any use for it. As for the 10mm I feel the same way. The experts know what it
takes to stop a human being these days. The 10mm just gives a lot more
than is required. The added cost and recoil make it hard for a lot of
people to control it. So it eliminates itself from the list of guns for
most people.

I can understand that. I don't think I'd even want to have a 5 shot .44 mag snub nose. It
might be awesome but controlling it would be bitch. I'm getting older. Back when I as
twenty something I might have said hell yes, I'll try it.

If you have to use a gun you need one that you can shoot
accurately. That's the most important thing not the caliber. It's a fact
that most people shoot 9mms and .38 specials a lot better than they do
the bigger cartridges. I think the choice is easy. It makes a lot more
sense to have a less powerful cartridge where you can put your shots
where you want them than to use a more powerful one that you can't. An
example is the Glock 19 vs the 22. Same gun but one is a 9 and the other
is a .40. I'd take the 9 any day of the week and I wouldn't feel for a
second that if you had the .40 you would have any advantage, but you
would have less shots in the magazine. To me that's the advantage I
want. Nothing worse than running out of ammo in a gunfight.

I don't think I'd have a problem with a .40 as far as recoil. Recoil up to a point makes
me grin. A .40 has what, 25% more recoil than a 9mm?

7 or 8 + 1 with a .45 seems a bit low but 10+1 or so with a .40 seems a bit better to me.
A double stacked 9 seems a bit bulky to me.

I'm having a heck of a time locating a compact in either caliber atm. It might boil down
to I pick one up, I like it but it is 9 mm and I buy it anyway. Or, I pick it up, decide
I don't like it and move on. Finding the right handgun isn't easy. Sorta like finding
the right holster. I have a few I never use.

I do thank you for your thoughts on this subject.

Wes

Yet Mary is downright amazing with her little Sig P232 (18 oz) which
is quite similar to the Walther PPK in function and design concept but
has markedly better sights and ergonomics.

It's probably a perfect fit for her. But that is just the kind of .380 I
was talking about. They're light and blowback operated and the recoil
from them is pretty darn stout. I find they are much less comfortable to
shoot than many bigger calibers. I feel the same about the Makarov. They
are nice little guns but they kick pretty darn hard for such a small
caliber weapon. A Glock G19 shoots a more powerful cartridge and isn't
that much bigger and it's a lot more comfortable to shoot. But whatever
works for you is what you should stick with.


Small revolvers make a lot of sense to me but lots of
people don't want them these days. Old fashioned I guess. Funny, I like
them a lot. You can count on them.

I like 'em too. They do have failure modes, though. Get a round of
ammo of excessive length that jams the cylinder, if you don't have a
backup you're SOL. Very unlikely with good factory ammo. BUT: shoot
.38 spl in a .357 for practice, build up a carbon ring in the
cylinder, .357 ammo will then not go all they way into the cylinder
creating a jam situation. I'm not making this up; I had that happen
with a very nice Dan Wesson .357 revolver whose dickhead owner fired
.38 ammo in and never cleaned. It was the dirtiest weapon I'd ever
seen. I did not offer this guy further coaching.

Typical. Nobody who knows the first thing about guns would have a filthy
one for something like concealed carry. You can get a bullet to pull out
from a casing from recoil, or have the carbon ring keep a round from
fitting, or you can have a round not seat in the chamber and lock up the
gun. But in general a revolver is a simple device and if it's clean and
has good ammo they almost never fail to fire. Which I like.


Most semiauto malfunctions other than squibs can be cleared by racking
the slide, a hard slap with weak hand while holding on target with
strong hand. It should be part of one's regular practice routine if
one is inclined to worry about such things.

Oh, you mean know what you're doing if you carry a deadly weapon? What a
concept.

I don't know how to clear a malfunction on a Blackberry.

Why does anyone need one of those?

Data point: today I went to the range and decided to focus on
deliberate fire at 50 feet using two pistols: a Sig P226 9mmp and a
1911 in .45ACP.

My first 5 rounds with Siggy were a bit ragged, as is often the case
when I haven't shot for a while. But I settled raht down. After that
I shot 35 or 40 rounds, all hitting the max score region of the LTR II
standard silhouette used by some agencies and departments for range
qual at 21 feet.

Then I went to the 1911. I had one group of five shots with all holes
touching -- one big ragged hole. .45's make big holes! This at 50
feet, offhand (no rests), no laser. I suppose competitive young
(under 60) shooters do this routinely, but I was quite pleased with
that group. I drove home grinning. Lovely day, range to myself, fresh
air and gunsmoke, personal best, life is good!

All of my 1911 rounds went into the max score region, and they were
closer to center than those fired with the 9mm Sig.

The 1911 is a little heavier than the 9mm Sig, but only a little. I
don't notice recoil when I'm shooting unless it hurts, but there's no
doubt that .45ACP kicks significantly more than 9mmp. The biggest
difference here was probably that this particular 1911 has a much
lighter trigger than the Sig, comparable to a good revolver (S&W 686,
Ruger GP100) in single-action. The trigger is too light for tactical
use under stress, but it's great for target shooting! Sig's trigger is
heavier but short and crisp, right for eau chitte sits. I own it just
because I like it, I'll never carry it. I think it was a policeman's
daily carry until they switched to .40. It's ugly as a mud fence, but
fun to shoot. Sig makes nice guns.

I'm going to the gun club on Wed. night. I usually shoot a 1911 and a
G17. Big difference between them. The 1911 is much more accurate. But I
can't shoot it as fast as the Glock. It just takes more time to pull the
1911 back down to level after each shot than it does the 9mm. Those guns
are a real contrast. The Glock is super dependable, and holds a lot of
ammo but it's only so so in the accuracy dept. You can shoot it fast and
a lot of rounds but the trigger and accuracy are only fair. The 1911 is
heavy, very accurate, and has a great trigger. But it doesn't hold much
ammo and it can't be shot as quickly. So the choice is a bigger, more
powerful round in a heavy gun that is very accurate versus a smaller,
lighter, less powerful gun that holds a lot more rounds and shoots a lot
faster. I can't decide. I'll take one of each.

Hawke

On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:04:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


Most semiauto malfunctions other than squibs can be cleared by racking
the slide, a hard slap with weak hand while holding on target with
strong hand. It should be part of one's regular practice routine if
one is inclined to worry about such things.

Oh, you mean know what you're doing if you carry a deadly weapon? What a
concept.

Know what you mean, but I about never see anyone at the ranges I
frequent practice this, or even magazine changes for that matter. The
IDPA guys probably do.

I'm going to the gun club on Wed. night. I usually shoot a 1911 and a
G17. Big difference between them. The 1911 is much more accurate. But I
can't shoot it as fast as the Glock. It just takes more time to pull the
1911 back down to level after each shot than it does the 9mm. Those guns
are a real contrast. The Glock is super dependable, and holds a lot of
ammo but it's only so so in the accuracy dept. You can shoot it fast and
a lot of rounds but the trigger and accuracy are only fair. The 1911 is
heavy, very accurate, and has a great trigger. But it doesn't hold much
ammo and it can't be shot as quickly. So the choice is a bigger, more
powerful round in a heavy gun that is very accurate versus a smaller,
lighter, less powerful gun that holds a lot more rounds and shoots a lot
faster. I can't decide. I'll take one of each.

Hawke

I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 02:09:23 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:04:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


Most semiauto malfunctions other than squibs can be cleared by racking
the slide, a hard slap with weak hand while holding on target with
strong hand. It should be part of one's regular practice routine if
one is inclined to worry about such things.

Oh, you mean know what you're doing if you carry a deadly weapon? What a
concept.

Know what you mean, but I about never see anyone at the ranges I
frequent practice this, or even magazine changes for that matter. The
IDPA guys probably do.

I'm going to the gun club on Wed. night. I usually shoot a 1911 and a
G17. Big difference between them. The 1911 is much more accurate. But I
can't shoot it as fast as the Glock. It just takes more time to pull the
1911 back down to level after each shot than it does the 9mm. Those guns
are a real contrast. The Glock is super dependable, and holds a lot of
ammo but it's only so so in the accuracy dept. You can shoot it fast and
a lot of rounds but the trigger and accuracy are only fair. The 1911 is
heavy, very accurate, and has a great trigger. But it doesn't hold much
ammo and it can't be shot as quickly. So the choice is a bigger, more
powerful round in a heavy gun that is very accurate versus a smaller,
lighter, less powerful gun that holds a lot more rounds and shoots a lot
faster. I can't decide. I'll take one of each.

Hawke

I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.

My prefered style...the modified Weaver. It allows rapid traverse over
180 degrees by simply pivoting on the balls of your feet. Rather handy
for multiple targets.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSvB9-pjv78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbg2s...eature=related

Plus the Mozambique Drill.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuQKr...eature=related

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.


You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days. I shoot quite a bit at 50 feet as well as
at 21. I practice a lot too. I shoot every week and have for probably a
decade so I'm pretty handy now. I'm also 6'1" and go around 250 lbs. and
lift weights a lot so there aren't really any handguns that are any
trouble for me. It's all just a matter of practice. I think my biggest
problem is that I like all of them and shoot a lot of guns, which some
people may see as a negative. You know the idea of having one gun means
you're really good with it? Well, I shoot everything from a .22 to a 9mm
to a .38 spl. to a .45 every time out. I like both revolvers and semi
autos. I guess shooting a variety of guns like I do might mean you never
get that good with any of them but I shoot them all every week and so I
find them completely interchangeable. I go from a .38 caliber revolver
to a .45 caliber 1911 and back without a hitch. So for me I don't have a
favorite. They all work for me. But then shooting is my hobby so that is
what you would expect, right? I do really like those CZs though. I have
a set of custom made Hakan exotic wood grips on my compact model 75 that
really make that gun look good. No .40s though!

Hawke

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:11:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.


You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days. I shoot quite a bit at 50 feet as well as
at 21. I practice a lot too. I shoot every week and have for probably a
decade so I'm pretty handy now. I'm also 6'1" and go around 250 lbs. and
lift weights a lot so there aren't really any handguns that are any
trouble for me. It's all just a matter of practice. I think my biggest
problem is that I like all of them and shoot a lot of guns, which some
people may see as a negative. You know the idea of having one gun means
you're really good with it? Well, I shoot everything from a .22 to a 9mm
to a .38 spl. to a .45 every time out. I like both revolvers and semi
autos. I guess shooting a variety of guns like I do might mean you never
get that good with any of them but I shoot them all every week and so I
find them completely interchangeable. I go from a .38 caliber revolver
to a .45 caliber 1911 and back without a hitch. So for me I don't have a
favorite. They all work for me. But then shooting is my hobby so that is
what you would expect, right? I do really like those CZs though. I have
a set of custom made Hakan exotic wood grips on my compact model 75 that
really make that gun look good. No .40s though!

Hawke

Try it with one hand in your pocket and the target at 50 yards...

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:11:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:




You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I don't expect to be in that kind of scenario either ... but shooting
a couple of mags like that is kinda fun once in a while.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:24:47 +0700, J. D. Slocomb
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:11:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.


You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days. I shoot quite a bit at 50 feet as well as
at 21. I practice a lot too. I shoot every week and have for probably a
decade so I'm pretty handy now. I'm also 6'1" and go around 250 lbs. and
lift weights a lot so there aren't really any handguns that are any
trouble for me. It's all just a matter of practice. I think my biggest
problem is that I like all of them and shoot a lot of guns, which some
people may see as a negative. You know the idea of having one gun means
you're really good with it? Well, I shoot everything from a .22 to a 9mm
to a .38 spl. to a .45 every time out. I like both revolvers and semi
autos. I guess shooting a variety of guns like I do might mean you never
get that good with any of them but I shoot them all every week and so I
find them completely interchangeable. I go from a .38 caliber revolver
to a .45 caliber 1911 and back without a hitch. So for me I don't have a
favorite. They all work for me. But then shooting is my hobby so that is
what you would expect, right? I do really like those CZs though. I have
a set of custom made Hakan exotic wood grips on my compact model 75 that
really make that gun look good. No .40s though!

Hawke

Try it with one hand in your pocket and the target at 50 yards...

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

Its fascinating to watch the Parakeet trotting out every buzzword he
could find on the internet visa vis shooting handguns. And making such
Profound statements such as

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days.

Oh indeed. A masterbat...errr marksman of the first water.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:24:47 +0700, J. D. Slocomb
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:11:15 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


I would suggest practice with focus on muzzle control in rapid fire
for at least 100 rounds. You're not shooting bullseye, you're
striving to keep your fire into COM of a silhouette at 7 to 10 yards.
Increase rate of fire as aggressively as you can while still keeping
most hits within COM, focussing on MUZZLE CONTROL for that session.

Unlike bullseye target shooting: adopt a stance with feet on a line
perpendicular to line of fire, lock your elbows, and grip that pistol
like you intend to emboss the grip pattern in your hands and your
fingerprints into the grip. Grip it like you would the pencil neck of
the rat-******* that's been boinking your wife while you were at work.
Don't even worry unduly about the sights, which you probably won't see
in a chitte sit anyway. Point and deliver rapid fire with focus on
keeping that muzzle on target rapidly shredding COM.

If you do this right, you'll be a bit sweaty and a little stiff after
100 to 150 rounds in under an hour -- but you'll be grinning.

I am a 5'7" cardiac senior of 68 years, can empty my Colt Officer's
1911 (smaller and lighter than a fullsized 1911) in a couple of
seconds with every round hitting COM at 21 feet. I can also do that
with my XD .40, which holds more ammo. I don't get one ragged hole in
a bullseye, but I do put most of them into max score COM of an LTR II
silhouette at 21 feet. You, being younger and probably bigger and
stronger, can very likely do better.

It's just a matter of disciplined practice, and it doesn't take that
much if you're disciplined about it -- as opposed to the jokers that
fire as rapidly as they can without regard to control and entirely
miss the paper with some or most of their fire.


You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days. I shoot quite a bit at 50 feet as well as
at 21. I practice a lot too. I shoot every week and have for probably a
decade so I'm pretty handy now. I'm also 6'1" and go around 250 lbs. and
lift weights a lot so there aren't really any handguns that are any
trouble for me. It's all just a matter of practice. I think my biggest
problem is that I like all of them and shoot a lot of guns, which some
people may see as a negative. You know the idea of having one gun means
you're really good with it? Well, I shoot everything from a .22 to a 9mm
to a .38 spl. to a .45 every time out. I like both revolvers and semi
autos. I guess shooting a variety of guns like I do might mean you never
get that good with any of them but I shoot them all every week and so I
find them completely interchangeable. I go from a .38 caliber revolver
to a .45 caliber 1911 and back without a hitch. So for me I don't have a
favorite. They all work for me. But then shooting is my hobby so that is
what you would expect, right? I do really like those CZs though. I have
a set of custom made Hakan exotic wood grips on my compact model 75 that
really make that gun look good. No .40s though!

Hawke

Try it with one hand in your pocket and the target at 50 yards...

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

Its fascinating to watch the Parakeet trotting out every buzzword he
could find on the internet visa vis shooting handguns. And making such
Profound statements such as

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days.

Oh indeed. A masterbat...errr marksman of the first water.


The only target he's ever hit, is the newspaper at the bottom of his
cage.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

You're talking about one kind of shooting. I was talking about the
overall strengths and weaknesses of each gun. Yes, you can point shoot
both of them from short range and dump a mag into the target in a very
short time span. I find that I rarely practice like that though, myself.
I just don't see myself in that kind of scenario so I don't practice it
much.

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days. I shoot quite a bit at 50 feet as well as
at 21. I practice a lot too. I shoot every week and have for probably a
decade so I'm pretty handy now. I'm also 6'1" and go around 250 lbs. and
lift weights a lot so there aren't really any handguns that are any
trouble for me. It's all just a matter of practice. I think my biggest
problem is that I like all of them and shoot a lot of guns, which some
people may see as a negative. You know the idea of having one gun means
you're really good with it? Well, I shoot everything from a .22 to a 9mm
to a .38 spl. to a .45 every time out. I like both revolvers and semi
autos. I guess shooting a variety of guns like I do might mean you never
get that good with any of them but I shoot them all every week and so I
find them completely interchangeable. I go from a .38 caliber revolver
to a .45 caliber 1911 and back without a hitch. So for me I don't have a
favorite. They all work for me. But then shooting is my hobby so that is
what you would expect, right? I do really like those CZs though. I have
a set of custom made Hakan exotic wood grips on my compact model 75 that
really make that gun look good. No .40s though!

Hawke

Try it with one hand in your pocket and the target at 50 yards...

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

Its fascinating to watch the Parakeet trotting out every buzzword he
could find on the internet visa vis shooting handguns. And making such
Profound statements such as

I have found that the best stance for me is the old isosceles. Used to
use a Weaver but dumped it and went back to the old style, which has
come back in vogue these days.

Oh indeed. A masterbat...errr marksman of the first water.

Gunner

Yeah, Goober. Somebody's a liar. Either you or me. I wonder who the liar
is? Not really. You've proven you're full of **** time and time again. I
have no reason to lie. Every thing I've said is true. Don't believe me?
Like who cares what someone like you thinks? Come on, your a dead beat,
and a liar. You haven't a shred of credibility. You're a laughingstock.
Why do you think no one pays you any mind? I can back up what I say.
Otherwise I keep my mouth shut. Just the opposite of you.


Hawke