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"Gerald Miller" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:58:29 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Przemek Klosowski" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. Yep, someone else posted a note about that one in the Baltimore museum. I'm tempted to stop in there. And, yes, most of them disappeared in the '70s. I mentioned here before that I went to work for McGraw-Hill Publications Co. in '74. I had been hired a couple of months earlier and they had six Linotype machines operating in a secondary office. When I started work they had all been moved to the warehouse, replaced by a Wang computerized phototype ("cold type") system. That was for promotions and mail solicitations for 26 magazines and newsletters. The publications themselves were typeset on a much fancier computerized typesetting system, which replaced another, larger bunch of Linotypes at about the same time, or slightly earlier. They also handled the typesetting for McGraw-Hill books. Those Linotypes and the multi-million-dollar phototype systems can now be replaced with a desktop PC and a high-quality laser printer. In fact, though, the whole system has gone away in most publishing houses. The writers write on computers; the editors edit on computers; the art directors compose pages on computers; and the output is reproduced directly onto the printing plates. Along the way they'll print out some proofs for proofreading, color-checking, etc. From reading newspapers, I suspect that the last proof reader retired about ten years ago. Gerry :-)} London, Canada I sometimes think that the only ones still employed are working in medical communications. *Everything* in medicine that might expose a company to liability -- which is virtually everything -- goes through two proofreaders. And they're among the best I've seen in my 35 years in the business. As for the rest of publishing, I think you're right. It makes my teeth hurt to read expensive books and to find errors, which my old editor's eyes tend to be drawn to like a pig finding truffles. Sometimes I think they aren't even using spellchuckers. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:38:35 +0000 (UTC), Przemek Klosowski
wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. There's another in a Portland ME art press run by a guy named David Wolfe. My daughter works for him occasionally in return for access to his shop for her own projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZimWIe8sLA -- Ned Simmons |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:12:09 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:38:35 +0000 (UTC), Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. There's another in a Portland ME art press run by a guy named David Wolfe. My daughter works for him occasionally in return for access to his shop for her own projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZimWIe8sLA Thanks, Ned. That was very interesting. I remember as a kid, going to the back door of the local newspaper and watching the linotype machines work. Boy was that NOISY! I also used to gather up pieces of type and take them home and play with them. It never ceases to amaze me how someone could sit down and design machines like that. Jim |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:01:53 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: From reading newspapers, I suspect that the last proof reader retired about ten years ago. Gerry :-)} London, Canada I sometimes think that the only ones still employed are working in medical communications. *Everything* in medicine that might expose a company to liability -- which is virtually everything -- goes through two proofreaders. And they're among the best I've seen in my 35 years in the business. As for the rest of publishing, I think you're right. It makes my teeth hurt to read expensive books and to find errors, which my old editor's eyes tend to be drawn to like a pig finding truffles. Sometimes I think they aren't even using spellchuckers. One of our local reporters managed to brake the breaks on his car, or something along that line. I suggested to him that spill chucker was not his frond. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:13:52 -0800, Jim Chandler
wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:12:09 -0500, Ned Simmons wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:38:35 +0000 (UTC), Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. There's another in a Portland ME art press run by a guy named David Wolfe. My daughter works for him occasionally in return for access to his shop for her own projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZimWIe8sLA Thanks, Ned. That was very interesting. I remember as a kid, going to the back door of the local newspaper and watching the linotype machines work. Boy was that NOISY! I also used to gather up pieces of type and take them home and play with them. It never ceases to amaze me how someone could sit down and design machines like that. Jim There used to be a restaurant in Hamilton Ontario, in the former newspaper building. they had a lot of the old equipment on display, including linotype machines. I don't know whether it is still there or even remember the name from 30 years back. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:17:14 -0500, the infamous Gerald Miller
scrawled the following: One of our local reporters managed to brake the breaks on his car, or something along that line. I suggested to him that spill chucker was not his frond. Nor were any of his English teachers, Gerry. -- It is in his pleasure that a man really lives; it is from his leisure that he constructs the true fabric of self. -- Agnes Repplier |
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Ned Simmons wrote: There's another in a Portland ME art press run by a guy named David Wolfe. My daughter works for him occasionally in return for access to his shop for her own projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZimWIe8sLA There are a couple of excellent videos showing the operation of Linotype machines at: http://www.archive.org/details/Typesett1960 and http://www.archive.org/details/Typesett1960_2 They're downloadable in full resolution, and explain quite a bit of how the machines worked. I found the use of multiple wedges to expand the line, in order to justify it, particularly ingenious. -- Norman Yarvin http://yarchive.net |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:17:49 -0600, Norman Yarvin
wrote: There are a couple of excellent videos showing the operation of Linotype machines at: Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for those! Regards Mark Rand RTFM |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:17:49 -0600, Norman Yarvin
wrote: In article , Ned Simmons wrote: There's another in a Portland ME art press run by a guy named David Wolfe. My daughter works for him occasionally in return for access to his shop for her own projects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZimWIe8sLA There are a couple of excellent videos showing the operation of Linotype machines at: http://www.archive.org/details/Typesett1960 and http://www.archive.org/details/Typesett1960_2 They're downloadable in full resolution, and explain quite a bit of how the machines worked. I found the use of multiple wedges to expand the line, in order to justify it, particularly ingenious. Wow, what a great film. I'll have to download the mp4 and watch it again. I have an interest in this stuff beyond the obvious mechanical appeal. I had a friend in high school who was determined to enter the printer's apprentice program at the Boston Herald, despite our best efforts to talk him out of it. It was obvious to even a bunch of HS seniors in 1970 that it was a dead end. My father was a dot etcher in offset printing for 40 years. Not long after he retired I was building automation for manufacturing the consumables for one of the first direct-to-press offset systems. -- Ned Simmons |