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One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California.
Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. |
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Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you
won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. |
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:18:55 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve And if you cast wheelweight bullets and dump them directly into a 5 gallon bucket filled with water, then size and lube them within a day or so..within the next 7-10 days..they will harden up to around Bn 30 and stay that way for up to 4 yrs..after which they will slowly soften back down to 13-15 Gunner "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for existence. - It is NOT fiscally responsible. - It is NOT ethically honorable. - It has started wars based on lies. - It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires. - It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties. - It has foisted a liar as president upon America. - It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties. - It has refused to enforce the national borders. ....It no longer has valid reasons to exist. Lorad474 |
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:11:29 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:18:55 +0100, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve And if you cast wheelweight bullets and dump them directly into a 5 gallon bucket filled with water, I take it, you do this hot, as in right out of the mold? then size and lube them within a day or so..within the next 7-10 days..they will harden up to around Bn 30 and stay that way for up to 4 yrs..after which they will slowly soften back down to 13-15 - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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I have some weird steel things that I think are slag skimmers. I
brought them from a die casting foundry. Anyone needs them, I will sell them cheaply. They look kind of like a huge spoon with holes drilled in it. Most I have are about 5" in diameter, and I have one bigger one. i |
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"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve Read this interesting article. http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCBAlloyObturation.htm The more I cast, the more I learn. |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. You can get clean WW alloy in ingots on Ebay for about $1/lb delivered. |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:11:29 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:18:55 +0100, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve And if you cast wheelweight bullets and dump them directly into a 5 gallon bucket filled with water, I take it, you do this hot, as in right out of the mold? then size and lube them within a day or so..within the next 7-10 days..they will harden up to around Bn 30 and stay that way for up to 4 yrs..after which they will slowly soften back down to 13-15 - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! You can heat treat in an oven. http://www.lasc.us/HeatTreat.htm |
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Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:41:06 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:11:29 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:18:55 +0100, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve And if you cast wheelweight bullets and dump them directly into a 5 gallon bucket filled with water, I take it, you do this hot, as in right out of the mold? Ayup. Knock, flip, Splish!! then size and lube them within a day or so..within the next 7-10 days..they will harden up to around Bn 30 and stay that way for up to 4 yrs..after which they will slowly soften back down to 13-15 - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for existence. - It is NOT fiscally responsible. - It is NOT ethically honorable. - It has started wars based on lies. - It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires. - It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties. - It has foisted a liar as president upon America. - It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties. - It has refused to enforce the national borders. ....It no longer has valid reasons to exist. Lorad474 |
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Check. Drop them hot, right out of the mold into ice-cold water. Flash "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:11:29 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:18:55 +0100, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve And if you cast wheelweight bullets and dump them directly into a 5 gallon bucket filled with water, I take it, you do this hot, as in right out of the mold? then size and lube them within a day or so..within the next 7-10 days..they will harden up to around Bn 30 and stay that way for up to 4 yrs..after which they will slowly soften back down to 13-15 - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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Buerste wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. You can get clean WW alloy in ingots on Ebay for about $1/lb delivered. I'd like to see a link to that one. -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
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cavelamb wrote:
Buerste wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. You can get clean WW alloy in ingots on Ebay for about $1/lb delivered. I'd like to see a link to that one. Uhm, never mind. I found several myself... |
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Wes, I can give you this, :
http://www.theantimonyman.com/index.htm He is in ARIDZONA, though. Flash "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. |
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Mu Google-Fu isn't too strong, but here are a couple more.
Flash http://www.atlasmetal.com/ Denver, CO http://www.canadametal.com/ http://www.go4worldbusiness.com/lead...?objid=2967883 http://www.alibaba.com/member/ca1056...oductlist.html http://www.metalico.com/contact.html Granite City, IL "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... cavelamb wrote: Buerste wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... One supplier that sells casting lead and alloys is Rotometals. They are in California. Anyone know a source in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio that sells the same? I'm tired of scrounging, I just buy clean alloy and recycle my bullet traps. Wes -- The only thing Obama has fixed is Carter's reputation. You can get clean WW alloy in ingots on Ebay for about $1/lb delivered. I'd like to see a link to that one. Uhm, never mind. I found several myself... I understand, it's a gut reaction to doubt EVERYTHING I say. I make one of my engineers write on a dedicated calendar every time we argue and who was proven right. I'm ahead...by a LOT and yet, he still doubts me. |
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
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"Buerste" wrote:
Uhm, never mind. I found several myself... I understand, it's a gut reaction to doubt EVERYTHING I say. I make one of my engineers write on a dedicated calendar every time we argue and who was proven right. I'm ahead...by a LOT and yet, he still doubts me. Being willing to argue one's point is not a bad thing. The guy that placidly goes with what you say likely didn't really understand what you were telling him. I get nervous when I get too quick agreement. Sometimes that is the prelude to blowing me off or totally misinterpreting my instructions. The arguer might not really understand you but in the exchange, there is going to be a real hashing out of the matter at hand. At least you know he was thinking about the subject at hand. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. -- Ed Huntress |
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: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. My cousin runs a one-man print shop on Cape Cod that specializes in odd jobs that other printers won't (or can't) handle. Things like sequentially numbered tickets. He still has a Linotype machine, but he seldom has a job that makes it worth firing up. He's trying to retire, but hasn't found any takers. Doug White |
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"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve Read this interesting article. http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCBAlloyObturation.htm The more I cast, the more I learn. very interesting and goes against my preconceptions that hard lead bullets lead the barrel less. |
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"Doug White" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. My cousin runs a one-man print shop on Cape Cod that specializes in odd jobs that other printers won't (or can't) handle. Things like sequentially numbered tickets. He still has a Linotype machine, but he seldom has a job that makes it worth firing up. He's trying to retire, but hasn't found any takers. Doug White Selling a Linotype machine today is about like trying to sell a numerically controlled lathe that uses pneumatic logic. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. -- Ed Huntress The Linotype machine casts the column of type. Yes they hand set the type into a large frame. They said it was cheaper than redoing the page and remaking the whole printing web (I think that is what it is called). I designed the disk controllers for the Vax computer systems they used. And as to mechanical, Linotype machines are fantastic. The difference in width of each character plate allowing the machine to sort the chacter back into the proper slot. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. -- Ed Huntress The Linotype machine casts the column of type. Yes they hand set the type into a large frame. They said it was cheaper than redoing the page and remaking the whole printing web (I think that is what it is called). I designed the disk controllers for the Vax computer systems they used. And as to mechanical, Linotype machines are fantastic. The difference in width of each character plate allowing the machine to sort the chacter back into the proper slot. They certainly are masterful mechanical devices. That difference in letter width, and the kerning (letterspacing) adjustments are amazing. To me, they're like giant Curta Calculators -- a zenith of mechanical art, just before it became obsolete. g There used to be thousands of them around. We had six of the Linotype-Hell Model 6's at a secondary office of McGraw-Hill when I was hired there (1973). But before I actually started, a month later, they had been moved into the warehouse, replaced by a new Wang typesetting system that ran on a minicomputer with around 15 terminals. In New York, where they published 20 of our 26 magazines, they must have had dozens of them. I transferred there a few years later and they were all gone, replaced by a fancy computer typesetting system. Today, I could do the same work with a dozen decent typists working at PCs. However, they don't even bother with typists anymore. Writers write on PCs; editors edit the file; the artists lay out the page and the files go straight to the printer. But they don't print out the pages, except for proofreading. They don't even make film. They go straight to printing plates from the computer files. And it's all pretty cheap. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. -- Ed Huntress The Linotype machine casts the column of type. Yes they hand set the type into a large frame. They said it was cheaper than redoing the page and remaking the whole printing web (I think that is what it is called). I designed the disk controllers for the Vax computer systems they used. And as to mechanical, Linotype machines are fantastic. The difference in width of each character plate allowing the machine to sort the chacter back into the proper slot. They certainly are masterful mechanical devices. That difference in letter width, and the kerning (letterspacing) adjustments are amazing. To me, they're like giant Curta Calculators -- a zenith of mechanical art, just before it became obsolete. g There used to be thousands of them around. We had six of the Linotype-Hell Model 6's at a secondary office of McGraw-Hill when I was hired there (1973). But before I actually started, a month later, they had been moved into the warehouse, replaced by a new Wang typesetting system that ran on a minicomputer with around 15 terminals. In New York, where they published 20 of our 26 magazines, they must have had dozens of them. I transferred there a few years later and they were all gone, replaced by a fancy computer typesetting system. Today, I could do the same work with a dozen decent typists working at PCs. However, they don't even bother with typists anymore. Writers write on PCs; editors edit the file; the artists lay out the page and the files go straight to the printer. But they don't print out the pages, except for proofreading. They don't even make film. They go straight to printing plates from the computer files. And it's all pretty cheap. -- Ed Huntress This company printed a new tax guide for Accountants and lawyers every year. 90% of the book was the same, so they said it was cheaper with the linotype. They had used some of the same frames for years with no changes. |
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They certainly are masterful mechanical devices. You can see them again on your next trip south. http://www.thebmi.org/index.cfm/cID/...TOKEN=15611222 Kevin Gallimore |
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"Buerste" wrote in message ... "Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I have a friend still trying to get rid of a goodly pile of linotype and monotype material - contact me if interested (remember, don't reply here, get my email off my web page, wbnoble.com |
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:42:24 -0800, "Bill Noble"
wrote: "Buerste" wrote in message ... "Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I have a friend still trying to get rid of a goodly pile of linotype and monotype material - contact me if interested (remember, don't reply here, get my email off my web page, wbnoble.com Yes! Emailed!! Gunner The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for existence. - It is NOT fiscally responsible. - It is NOT ethically honorable. - It has started wars based on lies. - It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires. - It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties. - It has foisted a liar as president upon America. - It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties. - It has refused to enforce the national borders. ....It no longer has valid reasons to exist. Lorad474 |
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Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. My cousin runs a one-man print shop on Cape Cod that specializes in odd jobs that other printers won't (or can't) handle. Things like sequentially numbered tickets. He still has a Linotype machine, but he seldom has a job that makes it worth firing up. He's trying to retire, but hasn't found any takers. Doug White Selling a Linotype machine today is about like trying to sell a numerically controlled lathe that uses pneumatic logic. d8-) He's trying to sell the whole business, and the Linotype machine is just a part of the deal. Unless he can find a museum that wants it, it's probably going to get scrapped. There's LOT of metal in one of those things. Most of his gear is museum stuff anyway. Doug White |
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"Doug White" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Doug White" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. Steve I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. The offset and rotogravure presses had plates that were burned from hard-type originals for a long while, so Linotype was still around, to make the "hot type" masters. But that's all been converted to "cold type" -- computer-generated galleys. And now, most volume printing is done without any galleys at all. It's "direct to plate" computer imaging. If someone still has a source of Linotype metal, I'd like to know where it's coming from. -- Ed Huntress A couple of companies I worked with still used Linotype. Said it was easier / cheaper and better for small changes in books they printed each year. They printed tax guides as one part of their product line and lots of pages rarely changed. Somewhere I still have my name cast in a linotype machine there. But as to metal work, they are the bomb. Man, there's somebody who doesn't believe in new technology. g Are they printing the books on letterpress? Or are they using the Linotype to make galleys for offset printing? If it's the latter, here's a secret you might pass on to them: Any one of us can do exactly the same thing, and produce the same results, with a home computer and a decent laser printer today. No loss of quality. No loss of anything. If, on the other hand, they're printing by letterpress, then holy hell...I can't imagine how it's easier or cheaper. Letterpresses are used today for things like fancy invitations and wedding announcements. And a few hobbyists have them, but they set type by hand, rather than use Linotype. A Linotype machine is about the size of three refrigerators and looks like the giant insect from "Alien." The fuzzy serifs do have a kind of nostalgic quality, though. g -- Ed Huntress No, they have banks of pages in linotype. So if there is only a 1 or 2 line change in a chapter, easy to change, and great print. But if they have to change a whole chapter then they use other than the Linotype. But the Linotype produces the same pages for years with very good quality. And these are expensive books. They may have changed now, but in 1990, they said it was much cheaper and better with the linotype. The use offset printing. Hmm. We're not communicating. d8-) However, it's a side issue, so I won't belabor it. My guess is that you're talking about hand-setting type, not Linotype. Linotype machines are BIG, expensive suckers used for setting large masses of type quickly -- pages and pages. It has a keyboard and it mechanically drops type into slots, making a hell of a racket. Hand-setting is done in "sticks," something I did in high school, when I worked one summer for an old-fashioned printer called Princeton Photoprocess. It produces the same end result as Linotype, but it's more appropriate for smaller jobs, up to a few hundred words. No equipment is needed -- it's all labor, but it's trivial for just a line or two of type. In any case, any Linotype metal that's available today must be from someone's ancient hoard, or freshly alloyed to the old Linotype standard alloy. That's more likely. My cousin runs a one-man print shop on Cape Cod that specializes in odd jobs that other printers won't (or can't) handle. Things like sequentially numbered tickets. He still has a Linotype machine, but he seldom has a job that makes it worth firing up. He's trying to retire, but hasn't found any takers. Doug White Selling a Linotype machine today is about like trying to sell a numerically controlled lathe that uses pneumatic logic. d8-) He's trying to sell the whole business, and the Linotype machine is just a part of the deal. Unless he can find a museum that wants it, it's probably going to get scrapped. There's LOT of metal in one of those things. Most of his gear is museum stuff anyway. Doug White Like old machine tools, Linotypes and other old printing equipment have a hobby/museum following. A publishing consultant I worked with years ago travelled all over the world collecting sets of antique type, and he had a little flat-bed press that he used to make replicas of old printing, hand-setting the type. Apparently he was part of an international hobby group that was very serious about it. However, there were a LOT of Linotype machines around, and lots of them are sitting in warehouses now, or they've been scrapped. The new technologies swept through the industry like a tsunami -- something like the way that wire EDM stood the diemaking business on its head, and at about the same time: the mid-'70s. Finding a buyer for that old printing equipment must be tough. It's not something that artists would pick up, the way they bought up lithographers' stones or engraving equipment when they became obsolete. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:08:37 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: Steve Lusardi wrote: Look for Linotype, it makes brilliant bullets. Check with newspaper printers and ask them how they dispose of their waste, you won't regret it. The bullets will typically cast about 8% lighter than pure lead. They can be used to 1800FPS without gas checks and not cause barrel leading. If I remember correctly, lead is around 9 or 10 on the Brinnel scale and Linotype is about 28/29, which is considerably harder. Linotype bullets are much better penetrators and do not deflect off window glass like lead bullets do. Don't ask how I know that. I've been out of the printing biz for a decade or two, but does anyone use Linotype anymore? Certainly no newspaper I knew of 20 years ago did, they all use offset web presses with AL plates. The only place using Linotype back then was a tiny shop that mostly did numbering and other specialty stuff. Actually, yes - Go into any good rubber stamp shop that still does lots of work, and you'll find a motley assortment of Linotype, Monotype and Ludlow (Headline sized type - DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN) machines and every font that the owner can find. When you make the Bakelite matrice for the stamp the heat distorts the type metal, so regular movable type goes to heck in a few uses. Linotype is perfect - you use it once to make a matrice (maybe twice if you blow the first one) and you can make a hundred stamps from that one matrice. Then you throw the used and heat distorted Linotype slug back into the melt furnace pot for reuse. If you only make one or a few of a certain stamp, ask the shop if you can have the matrice too just in case. When the stamp wears out, you can send the matrice back to get an exact duplicate. And the photo-resist style plastic stamps flat out don't hold up to severe service like the old stuff. -- Bruce -- |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. Back around 1972 or so, I could have learned how to be a linotype operator. My school system had one and had a course on it. I took typing instead. I figured computers were in my future and typing would be a head start. Plan worked for me for many years. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. Back around 1972 or so, I could have learned how to be a linotype operator. My school system had one and had a course on it. I took typing instead. I figured computers were in my future and typing would be a head start. Plan worked for me for many years. Wes That was a good move. You would have learned the skill just in time to give demonstrations at your local museum. g I knew quite a few typesetters, even the digital kind, who found themselves out of work with absolutely no prospects. There were waves of them: around 1975, and again around 1985. The last one I knew of worked around 1993. Of course, that happened to many printing- and publishing-industry jobs over the same period. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. |
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"Przemek Klosowski" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. Yep, someone else posted a note about that one in the Baltimore museum. I'm tempted to stop in there. And, yes, most of them disappeared in the '70s. I mentioned here before that I went to work for McGraw-Hill Publications Co. in '74. I had been hired a couple of months earlier and they had six Linotype machines operating in a secondary office. When I started work they had all been moved to the warehouse, replaced by a Wang computerized phototype ("cold type") system. That was for promotions and mail solicitations for 26 magazines and newsletters. The publications themselves were typeset on a much fancier computerized typesetting system, which replaced another, larger bunch of Linotypes at about the same time, or slightly earlier. They also handled the typesetting for McGraw-Hill books. Those Linotypes and the multi-million-dollar phototype systems can now be replaced with a desktop PC and a high-quality laser printer. In fact, though, the whole system has gone away in most publishing houses. The writers write on computers; the editors edit on computers; the art directors compose pages on computers; and the output is reproduced directly onto the printing plates. Along the way they'll print out some proofs for proofreading, color-checking, etc. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:58:29 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Przemek Klosowski" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:15:59 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I doubt if there is a working Linotype machine in most states in the country. I don't know of a single magazine that uses it for anything; the last newspaper I knew of that used it was over 20 years ago. There's one in the Baltimore Museum of Industry (geez, R.C.M content). A retired guy who demonstrates it worked on it in a newspaper, and told me that they replaced them in the 70s. Yep, someone else posted a note about that one in the Baltimore museum. I'm tempted to stop in there. And, yes, most of them disappeared in the '70s. I mentioned here before that I went to work for McGraw-Hill Publications Co. in '74. I had been hired a couple of months earlier and they had six Linotype machines operating in a secondary office. When I started work they had all been moved to the warehouse, replaced by a Wang computerized phototype ("cold type") system. That was for promotions and mail solicitations for 26 magazines and newsletters. The publications themselves were typeset on a much fancier computerized typesetting system, which replaced another, larger bunch of Linotypes at about the same time, or slightly earlier. They also handled the typesetting for McGraw-Hill books. Those Linotypes and the multi-million-dollar phototype systems can now be replaced with a desktop PC and a high-quality laser printer. In fact, though, the whole system has gone away in most publishing houses. The writers write on computers; the editors edit on computers; the art directors compose pages on computers; and the output is reproduced directly onto the printing plates. Along the way they'll print out some proofs for proofreading, color-checking, etc. From reading newspapers, I suspect that the last proof reader retired about ten years ago. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |