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Hawke wrote:
If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. Btw, the only major caliber I can find ammo for is the .40 S&W. Too bad I don't have one (Yet). Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. One of the flatter-shooting, and, in the right gun, more accurate handgun cartridges available, until the last few years. Shooting factory ammo will break the bank; you have to handload it if you're going to shoot targets on a regular basis. In terms of energy, the factory round is roughly the same as a .38 Spl., but you can handload it to considerably higher velocities. I think the factory loads have to deal with some little cockeyed derringer made for the round. The Ruger SSM will tolerate some souping-up. Btw, the only major caliber I can find ammo for is the .40 S&W. Too bad I don't have one (Yet). Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:15:22 -0500, Wes wrote:
Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. Btw, the only major caliber I can find ammo for is the .40 S&W. Too bad I don't have one (Yet). Wes I would suggest that you try before you buy. The recoil of the .40 S&W is kinda unique, and acceptance of recoil varies a lot among shooters. I know a petite woman that shoots a .40 very well indeed, and I know guys that shoot .45ACP, .357 Mag and .45 Colt very accurately that can't hit crap with a .40. I shoot a .40 XD well enough for SD and HD, but my shot placement is definitely better with both 9mmp and .45ACP. YMMV. |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... No. I call it a javelina. It has the wrong number of toes to be a pig. no kidding -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... No. I call it a javelina. It has the wrong number of toes to be a pig. no kidding I'll take your word for it. But that's still only 50 pounds. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... No. I call it a javelina. It has the wrong number of toes to be a pig. no kidding I'll take your word for it. But that's still only 50 pounds. That's fifty DELICIOUS pounds, pard'. If you kill him in the right place (geographically), he's already pre-seasoned with mesquite. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:17:12 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... ayup. Shrug...hunting 400lb+ russian boar with a spear seperates the boys from the men. Gunner, 3 boars with a spear. "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766 |
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:51:42 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: Shrug...hunting 400lb+ russian boar with a spear seperates the boys from the men. Gunner, 3 boars with a spear. What, no velociraptors barehanded? Wayne |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:51:42 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: Shrug...hunting 400lb+ russian boar with a spear seperates the boys from the men. Gunner, 3 boars with a spear. What, no velociraptors barehanded? Wayne But he tried for four, and the last one got him. His voice is much higher now... -- Ed Huntress |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:17:12 -0600, cavelamb wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Wahat??? YOU CALL 50 POUNDS A PIG???? SHEESH. Yankees... ayup. Shrug...hunting 400lb+ russian boar with a spear seperates the boys from the men. Gunner, 3 boars with a spear. What? No whale with a hand thrown harpoon? Or did you just forget about that one? You can do better than three pigs with a spear. How about a pocket knife, yeah, a Boy Scout knife is even better. Hawke |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
: "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Where do you go to hunt these pygmies? South Texas Javalina run to ~150#. |
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"RAM³" wrote in message 0... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Where do you go to hunt these pygmies? South Texas Javalina run to ~150#. Arizona. The average javelina runs around 50 lb. The record is 84 lb. g You may be mixing them up with feral pigs, or something else. You can tell by wrestling one to the ground and counting the toes on his hind feet. If he has three toes, it's a javelina. If it has four, it's a pig. If it gores the hell out of your face when you try this, it could be either one. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
: "RAM³" wrote in message 0... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Where do you go to hunt these pygmies? South Texas Javalina run to ~150#. Arizona. The average javelina runs around 50 lb. The record is 84 lb. g You may be mixing them up with feral pigs, or something else. You can tell by wrestling one to the ground and counting the toes on his hind feet. If he has three toes, it's a javelina. If it has four, it's a pig. If it gores the hell out of your face when you try this, it could be either one. d8-) There's little resemblence between a Collared Peccary (aka Javalina) and a feral hog. Having weighed several in the 125-150 range (dead), I could only wonder if you were after young ones (better eating) as opposed to the mature adults (more & better leather)... |
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"RAM³" wrote in message . 10... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "RAM³" wrote in message 0... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Where do you go to hunt these pygmies? South Texas Javalina run to ~150#. Arizona. The average javelina runs around 50 lb. The record is 84 lb. g You may be mixing them up with feral pigs, or something else. You can tell by wrestling one to the ground and counting the toes on his hind feet. If he has three toes, it's a javelina. If it has four, it's a pig. If it gores the hell out of your face when you try this, it could be either one. d8-) There's little resemblence between a Collared Peccary (aka Javalina) and a feral hog. Having weighed several in the 125-150 range (dead), I could only wonder if you were after young ones (better eating) as opposed to the mature adults (more & better leather)... Either I'm not understanding you, or something is fishy about your javelina. Most of the records come from Arizona, where they refer to records in the 75 - 85 pound range. A Texas javelina hunting site refers to 84 pounds as the maximum weight: http://www.hunting-in-texas.com/javelina-info.htm Science sites say 55 lb. maximum weight, but they aren't talking about records or trophies. Are we talking about the same thing? Collared Peccary and Javelina are described as the same animal on science sites: Pecari tajacu. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 01 Jan 2010 20:59:32 GMT, "RAM³"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "Wes" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. BTW, if Hawke etc. don't know this, the .32 H&R Mag is a hunting caliber for small-to-medium game, not a defense caliber. I bought my Ruger SSM specifically for hunting javelina, which weigh around 50 lb. Where do you go to hunt these pygmies? My backyard for one, NW AZ. http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/images/javelina.JPG Not that I've weighed any. South Texas Javalina run to ~150#. Is that one you weighed, or one that gummer told you that he killed by sticking a pencil in its ear? :-) http://www.hunting-in-texas.com/javelina-info.htm Wayne |
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Wes wrote:
Hawke wrote: If you have a .380 why would you want to use lead bullets? Guns that shoot .380 ammo are not good for anything but short range self defensive purposes. They are not guns that people shoot very much. Actually my Bersa 95. normally using some reloads built around a 102g Lee RN is one of my favorite guns. Cheap to shoot, actually has a bit of recoil and easy to conceal and carry. Fixed barrel blow back, pretty accurate. Knocks over the plates on the plate rack reliably. Ed likes a .32 Mag iirc, so don't diss minor calibers. Btw, the only major caliber I can find ammo for is the .40 S&W. Too bad I don't have one (Yet). Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller Oh yeah! I (heart) my Bersa. Best thing that ever came out of Argentina. Richard |
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