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I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl.
Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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On Dec 28, 1:20*pm, Winston wrote:
I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. *Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! Go easy on the Burritos with extra cheese and avoid the clogs period. DL |
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TwoGuns wrote:
On Dec 28, 1:20 pm, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- (...) Go easy on the Burritos with extra cheese and avoid the clogs period. I could. But then life would have no meaning. --Winston -- A Foodie *before Foodies were cool* -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Winston writes:
I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. I've been warned such may melt the wax ring seal... -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. Ooh, filing that procedure in mind for later retrieval and use. But just for ****s and grins (note the master pun there) has anyone trying this ever cracked their terlit bowl from the thermal shock of 212F water hitting the 40F ceramic? That would be worse than working with Mr. Auger, methinks. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Erm, isn't that what CAUSED the clog? -- "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy." --Tom Clancy |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston
wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... -- Bruce -- |
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David Lesher wrote:
Winston writes: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. I've been warned such may melt the wax ring seal... I'm sanguine on that point. Wax melts if held above ~140 F for many seconds. I poured ~ 4 cups of 180 F water into a ceramic bowl containing ~8 cups of 60 F water and uh, 'solids'. I guess that the resulting mixture peaked at an average of ~120 F for a couple seconds before the ceramic began sinking heat away, cooling it. Several seconds later, the bowl was 1/3 full of 60 F water. I figure my one minute average temperature rise was about 20 F. I'm within SOA (even after lunch at Pedro's). --Winston -- Owns a Liberal Loo -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. Ooh, filing that procedure in mind for later retrieval and use. But just for ****s and grins (note the master pun there) Good one. (Mumble) has anyone trying this ever cracked their terlit bowl from the thermal shock of 212F water hitting the 40F ceramic? That would be worse than working with Mr. Auger, methinks. The bowl warn't empty, Larry. It already had half a gallon of 60 F water in it. I poured down the middle of the existing water so's temperature moderated before hitting the bowl walls. Your mirror is more likely to shatter by spraying it with cleaner in the summer. That don't happen, either. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Erm, isn't that what CAUSED the clog? Hey life is a compromise. If lunch occasionally results in a 'three flusher', that's between me and the Water Co. yes? --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... Modern facilities are 'way stouter than that. I've spalled ceramics before. It took 3000 F for several seconds concentrated on ~ 1" square. +60 F pk evenly applied over ~ 60 square inches for ~ 10 seconds is hardly in the same ballpark, yes? If it was, one would expect to see pots exploding underneath people all the time. (No, I'm not going to do those experiments.) --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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On Dec 28, 1:20*pm, Winston wrote:
I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. *Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! Your experience reminded me of my first time working away from home. When I was a kid I loved Salami. Since it wasn't in the budget at home I could never get enough of it. With my first paycheck on my own I bought a ten pound roll of Salami and about three pounds of cheese,Rye bread,onions and a jar of Miracle Whip. I was set for a week. I had Salami, cheese and onion sandwiches topped with a generous amount of Miracle Whip for breakfast lunch and supper for about six days. On the following Sunday morning as I rolled out of bed to get ready to go to Church the sudden urge hit me. Oh man did that hurt! Not wanting to get too graphic but I have heard women talk about the pain of childbirth. Childbirth could not be much worse than what I went through that morning. When I finally finished I couldn't flush the toilet. I didn't have a plunger so I had to call the Landlord who happened to be a plumber. He wanted to take it to a taxidermist at first. He said he had never seen one that big. I finally talked him out of it but hindsight being what it is maybe I should have kept it. That might have been my only chance for the Guiness Book of World Records. DL |
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TwoGuns wrote:
On Dec 28, 1:20 pm, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! Your experience reminded me of my first time working away from home. When I was a kid I loved Salami. Since it wasn't in the budget at home I could never get enough of it. With my first paycheck on my own I bought a ten pound roll of Salami and about three pounds of cheese,Rye bread,onions and a jar of Miracle Whip. I was set for a week. I had Salami, cheese and onion sandwiches topped with a generous amount of Miracle Whip for breakfast lunch and supper for about six days. On the following Sunday morning as I rolled out of bed to get ready to go to Church the sudden urge hit me. Oh man did that hurt! Not wanting to get too graphic but I have heard women talk about the pain of childbirth. Childbirth could not be much worse than what I went through that morning. When I finally finished I couldn't flush the toilet. I didn't have a plunger so I had to call the Landlord who happened to be a plumber. He wanted to take it to a taxidermist at first. He said he had never seen one that big. I finally talked him out of it but hindsight being what it is maybe I should have kept it. That might have been my only chance for the Guiness Book of World Records. I was laughing *with you* just now. --Winston -- It sure as hell wasn't funny at the time, though. -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:10:37 -0800, Winston
wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... Modern facilities are 'way stouter than that. I've spalled ceramics before. It took 3000 F for several seconds concentrated on ~ 1" square. +60 F pk evenly applied over ~ 60 square inches for ~ 10 seconds is hardly in the same ballpark, yes? If it was, one would expect to see pots exploding underneath people all the time. (No, I'm not going to do those experiments.) --Winston Errr.... The bathroom sink (the one you run hot water in to shave) is likely made by the same people that made the "throne". Are we to stop shaving with hot water because of "thermal fear"? Or, perhaps the threat of fracture is being over stated? Regards, J.B. |
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Winston wrote:
I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. Plungers work rather well. Storing them near by is a bit nasty. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:51:41 -0800, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman
scrawled the following: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... Great minds think alike, Bruce. Someone else (David Lesher) mentioned wax rings. Those probably aren't compatible with boiling water, either, even if they're not made of real wax. Has anyone tried melting one? -- It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars. -- Garrison Keillor |
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"Winston" wrote in message I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! braggart........;)) |
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Phil Kangas wrote:
"Winston" wrote in message I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! braggart........;)) Heh! I'm in Beef Chimichanga Nirvana! --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Wes wrote:
Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. Plungers work rather well. Storing them near by is a bit nasty. Hey, I've used plungers. No plunger worked as quickly and neatly as the 'hot water' treatment did. Was no more than 10 seconds ISY not. --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:51:41 -0800, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman scrawled the following: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... Great minds think alike, Bruce. Someone else (David Lesher) mentioned wax rings. Those probably aren't compatible with boiling water, either, even if they're not made of real wax. Has anyone tried melting one? Aw, come on Larry. Was no more than ~120 F for about 10 seconds. I'm at 230 ft ASL so this is not 'boiling' temperature by a long shot. --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Real men shave with boiling water.
I think the coffee pot in the original post was probably 150F or so? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... Errr.... The bathroom sink (the one you run hot water in to shave) is likely made by the same people that made the "throne". Are we to stop shaving with hot water because of "thermal fear"? Or, perhaps the threat of fracture is being over stated? Regards, J.B. |
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I did a similar operation. One day at church I found that
someone had left a solid which was far larger than the drain opening. A bucket of hot water from the custodian closet, and when I went back, the bowl was clear. Someone else must have flushed, and sent the offending material down the drain. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Winston" wrote in message ... I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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"Winston" wrote in message Phil Kangas wrote: "Winston" wrote in message I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! braggart........;)) Heh! I'm in Beef Chimichanga Nirvana! --Winston Written on a stall wall: "All turds longer than six inches must be lowered in by union personnel." |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:28 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:10:37 -0800, Winston wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: (...) If it was, one would expect to see pots exploding underneath people all the time. (No, I'm not going to do those experiments.) --Winston Errr.... The bathroom sink (the one you run hot water in to shave) is likely made by the same people that made the "throne". Are we to stop shaving with hot water because of "thermal fear"? Or, perhaps the threat of fracture is being over stated? Odds are long, but it could happen - Toilets usually don't get thermally stressed at all, They are under daily thermal stress, yes? If we've really lowered our threshold to include stress produced by a diffuse transition of +60 F over a period of 5 seconds (12 F per second), then the +39 F transition concentrated in a much smaller area over a period of 50 mS or so (780 F per second!) involved in the famous "#2 operation" must endanger our commodes every morning. and if there is a hidden defect under that glaze it could be just enough... Meh. I don't buy it, Bruce. --Winston -- And yet, she does not explode! -- Attributed to Galileo |
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Phil Kangas wrote:
(...) Written on a stall wall: "All turds longer than six inches must be lowered in by union personnel." And to think I've been employing untrained grunts... --Winston |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:57:14 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:51:41 -0800, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman scrawled the following: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: I unclogged a toilet just now by dumping a coffee pot of hot water into the bowl. Took about 10 seconds for the heated water to work it's magic on the clog. Then the flush completed in a very satisfying manner. That was 'way faster and more fun than getting out Mr. Auger. --Winston -- Going back to Pedro's for lunch! Don't try that if you aren't prepared to replace it - Thermal Shock and unequal thermal expansion stresses can do wonderful things to ceramics... Great minds think alike, Bruce. Someone else (David Lesher) mentioned wax rings. Those probably aren't compatible with boiling water, either, even if they're not made of real wax. Has anyone tried melting one? Aw, come on Larry. Was no more than ~120 F for about 10 seconds. OK, so it wasn't boiling water, just 180F. Still, pouring it in one location (I'm sure you didn't just sprinkle it on top of the entire pool) would bring it up pretty quickly, so I'll bet it topped 120 at that point. And since the wax ring area isn't underwater, it likely wouldn't have received much of the heat, either. Flushing after it cleared the clog cooled things down in a hurry, too. Have you checked your ambient terlit water temps, Winnie? I'll bet they're cooler than you think. I'm at 230 ft ASL so this is not 'boiling' temperature by a long shot. Grok that. -- It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars. -- Garrison Keillor |
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Larry Jaques was heard to opine:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:57:14 -0800, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:51:41 -0800, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman scrawled the following: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: (...) Aw, come on Larry. Was no more than ~120 F for about 10 seconds. OK, so it wasn't boiling water, just 180F. Still, pouring it in one location (I'm sure you didn't just sprinkle it on top of the entire pool) Quoting me from yesterday: "I poured down the middle of the existing water so's temperature moderated before hitting the bowl walls." would bring it up pretty quickly, so I'll bet it topped 120 at that point. That's a worst-case guess. (180 - 60 = 120). Multiply this difference by the percent of hot water and you get 60 F temperature rise if equal quantities of water were involved. 60 F bowl water + 60 F temperature rise = 120 F However, Two thirds of the water started at 60 F, so the new equilibrium was probably closer to 100 F (= 60 F + (33.3% * 120)). This is 40 F below the melting temperature of the wax ring and no significant thermal stress to the porcelain. I see no issue with doing this at my historical rate of once every 3 years. Call me crazy! And since the wax ring area isn't underwater, it likely wouldn't have received much of the heat, either. Flushing after it cleared the clog cooled things down in a hurry, too. Have you checked your ambient terlit water temps, Winnie? I'll bet they're cooler than you think. Tank water would have equilibrated close to the surrounding air temperature over night. Call it say, 60 F. After that morning flush, the water in the tank would've been somewhat colder. It makes no nevermind to the issue, however because most of that water wouldn't see the bowl until it had thermally equilibrated. I agree that some of the chillier water entered the bowl through the ring wall flush. --Winston -- Wants to think about something else -- At a local restaurant, us patrons are given a tall glass tumbler full of ice cubes and a carafe of hot tea. We pour the hot tea down the middle of the ice cubes. Shortly, we have a glass full of ice tea in cubes. No one has lost an eye yet. It's fun to do, in a proletariat way. |
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But, does it soften the wax ring? Oh... subject change.
Thread drift! -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Winston" wrote in message ... At a local restaurant, us patrons are given a tall glass tumbler full of ice cubes and a carafe of hot tea. We pour the hot tea down the middle of the ice cubes. Shortly, we have a glass full of ice tea in cubes. No one has lost an eye yet. It's fun to do, in a proletariat way. |
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:22:17 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: Larry Jaques was heard to opine: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:57:14 -0800, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:51:41 -0800, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman scrawled the following: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: (...) Aw, come on Larry. Was no more than ~120 F for about 10 seconds. OK, so it wasn't boiling water, just 180F. Still, pouring it in one location (I'm sure you didn't just sprinkle it on top of the entire pool) Quoting me from yesterday: "I poured down the middle of the existing water so's temperature moderated before hitting the bowl walls." I didn't see that but it seems that the hot water getting down as fast and as far as it could would be the smart usage. YMOV. I see no issue with doing this at my historical rate of once every 3 years. Call me crazy! _Reckless_, more like. bseg And since the wax ring area isn't underwater, it likely wouldn't have received much of the heat, either. Flushing after it cleared the clog cooled things down in a hurry, too. Have you checked your ambient terlit water temps, Winnie? I'll bet they're cooler than you think. Tank water would have equilibrated close to the surrounding air temperature over night. Call it say, 60 F. So the honest answer to the question "Did you MEASURE?' is a resounding "No." House ambient: 69F Terlit ambient: 55F (warmer than I expected) Water ambient: 48F --Winston -- Wants to think about something else No ****? (Pardon my pun.) -- It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars. -- Garrison Keillor |
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I've used boiling water on clogged drains for years, but never on a
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Larry Jaques insisted:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:22:17 -0800, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: (...) Quoting me from yesterday: "I poured down the middle of the existing water so's temperature moderated before hitting the bowl walls." I didn't see that but it seems that the hot water getting down as fast and as far as it could would be the smart usage. YMOV. It worked quickly, safely and conveniently. MM didn't V I see no issue with doing this at my historical rate of once every 3 years. Call me crazy! _Reckless_, more like. bseg No really, call me crazy. (Ill pay). And since the wax ring area isn't underwater, it likely wouldn't have received much of the heat, either. Flushing after it cleared the clog cooled things down in a hurry, too. Have you checked your ambient terlit water temps, Winnie? I'll bet they're cooler than you think. Tank water would have equilibrated close to the surrounding air temperature over night. Call it say, 60 F. So the honest answer to the question "Did you MEASURE?' is a resounding "No." The water was neither frozen or boiling, so your answer is: Yes. The water was at 122 F (+- 90 F). House ambient: 69F Terlit ambient: 55F (warmer than I expected) Water ambient: 48F Ok. If my water temperature had been 16 degrees colder than that, it would have been frozen. If it had been 52 degrees hotter than that, I would not have had a clog, prolly. (Viscosity, dontchaknow) Conclusion: Who Cares? In the former case, I might have to replace the john anyway, but not because of anything I did. In the latter case, I wouldn't have discovered this quick, safe way around this particular prob. (...) No ****? (Pardon my pun.) Oof. --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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RBnDFW wrote:
I've used boiling water on clogged drains for years, but never on a toilet. Typical grease clog in the kitchen sink, it's just right. I'm guessing it's a viscosity thing. I assume you didn't have to replace drain pipes melted by the scorching hot water. Hey, it could happen. Teakettle at 50 KSI? --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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I've heard not to do that. It only moves the clog farther
down the line. But, that can be a good thing. Move the clog from the 1 1/4 inch drain to the 6 inch drain. Carry on. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "RBnDFW" wrote in message ... I've used boiling water on clogged drains for years, but never on a toilet. Typical grease clog in the kitchen sink, it's just right. |
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:01:38 -0800, Winston
wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:28 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:10:37 -0800, Winston wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:20:46 -0800, Winston wrote: (...) If it was, one would expect to see pots exploding underneath people all the time. (No, I'm not going to do those experiments.) --Winston Errr.... The bathroom sink (the one you run hot water in to shave) is likely made by the same people that made the "throne". Are we to stop shaving with hot water because of "thermal fear"? Or, perhaps the threat of fracture is being over stated? Odds are long, but it could happen - Toilets usually don't get thermally stressed at all, They are under daily thermal stress, yes? Yes, but when the furnace kicks on the heat is diffuse enough to gradually raise the temperature of the water closet over the course of an hour, at a slow rate and evenly all over. You are heating the inside only, and at a very high rate. It's not a given, but I can see an occasional toilet failure you could trace back to this practice... If we've really lowered our threshold to include stress produced by a diffuse transition of +60 F over a period of 5 seconds (12 F per second), then the +39 F transition concentrated in a much smaller area over a period of 50 mS or so (780 F per second!) involved in the famous "#2 operation" must endanger our commodes every morning. and if there is a hidden defect under that glaze it could be just enough... Meh. I don't buy it, Bruce. Fine, don't. But when you pee the liquid isn't nearly as hot (around 95F), and in a far smaller stream which limits the BTUH input raise over a minute or more. And unless you have the unerring aim of a laser beam, you will be spreading that heat around to many points inside. Dumping in a kettle-full of almost-boiling water from the stove is going to throw in a whole lot more BTUs (guessing 10X to 50X) and over a period of a few seconds than almost a minute. The wax ring is probably okay for one pot of hot water, but if you add much more heat than that it could melt. They are only beeswax. I certainly wouldn't do something rash like stuff the wand from a steam pressure washer down the main trap and let it rip. -- Bruce -- |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:01:38 -0800, Winston wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: (...) Odds are long, but it could happen - Toilets usually don't get thermally stressed at all, They are under daily thermal stress, yes? Yes, but when the furnace kicks on the heat is diffuse enough to gradually raise the temperature of the water closet over the course of an hour, at a slow rate and evenly all over. I was delicately referring to the process of defecation. It's 98.6 F over a couple square inches for more than 10 seconds. You consider that a large temperature gradient. I don't. The porcelain does not shatter. You are heating the inside only, and at a very high rate. It's not a given, but I can see an occasional toilet failure you could trace back to this practice... Nonsense. Toilets fail due to worn plumbing parts in the tank. They don't crack even when we take a dump in mid winter temperatures. Consider the porcelain spark plug. It sees a 200 F to 3500 F to 200 F transition every other revolution. My cars go 100,000 miles between plug changes. The old plugs come out looking moderately worn but still quite serviceable. The plugs don't crack in normal use. (...) Dumping in a kettle-full of almost-boiling water from the stove is going to throw in a whole lot more BTUs (guessing 10X to 50X) and over a period of a few seconds than almost a minute. The whole process was over within about 10 seconds with a maximum temperature of about 100 F. I showed the arithmetic in a previous post. There really is nothing to worry about. The wax ring is probably okay for one pot of hot water, but if you add much more heat than that it could melt. Wax melts if subjected to temperatures above 140 F for a period of time. 100 F for 10 seconds just isn't enough to soften it. If it were, one could retire at 20 years of age just on the income from replacing melted flange rings in Arizona. They are only beeswax. I certainly wouldn't do something rash like stuff the wand from a steam pressure washer down the main trap and let it rip. Nor would I. What's your point? Let's agree to disagree about this, OK? --Winston -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:01:38 -0800, Winston wrote: -snip- Fine, don't. But when you pee the liquid isn't nearly as hot (around 95F), and in a far smaller stream which limits the BTUH input raise over a minute or more. And unless you have the unerring aim of a laser beam, you will be spreading that heat around to many points inside. Dumping in a kettle-full of almost-boiling water from the stove is going to throw in a whole lot more BTUs (guessing 10X to 50X) and over a period of a few seconds than almost a minute. The wax ring is probably okay for one pot of hot water, but if you add much more heat than that it could melt. They are only beeswax. I certainly wouldn't do something rash like stuff the wand from a steam pressure washer down the main trap and let it rip. -- Bruce -- i've been trying to not reply to this thread because what i have to say isn't important, only, what you all keep talking about keeps reminding me of a trivial incident from my past. i thought this thread would've died already. 1986, backpacking around china, was in beijing. saw a western style restaurant ("Maxim's") and went in to use their bathroom. the plumber who had plumbed the place had hooked a hot water line to the toilet, the flapper valve leaked and so hot water was constantly dribbling into the bowl, the water in the bowl was constantly being refreshed with HOT water. was "restaurant temperature" water, steam was wafting out of the bowl. was uncomfortable to sit on the toilet. i'd never seen that before or since, where someone accidentally plumbed the hot water line to a toilet, *and left it that way*. the entire toilet was scalding hot. something i'll never forget, was funny and weird. b.w. |
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William Wixon wrote:
(...) i've been trying to not reply to this thread because what i have to say isn't important, only, what you all keep talking about keeps reminding me of a trivial incident from my past. i thought this thread would've died already. The thread hasn't drifted into political name - calling yet. We may have weeks to go. 1986, backpacking around china, was in beijing. saw a western style restaurant ("Maxim's") and went in to use their bathroom. the plumber who had plumbed the place had hooked a hot water line to the toilet, the flapper valve leaked and so hot water was constantly dribbling into the bowl, the water in the bowl was constantly being refreshed with HOT water. was "restaurant temperature" water, steam was wafting out of the bowl. was uncomfortable to sit on the toilet. i'd never seen that before or since, where someone accidentally plumbed the hot water line to a toilet, *and left it that way*. the entire toilet was scalding hot. something i'll never forget, was funny and weird. That is wild. Bet it saved on cleaning. --Winston -- Though 'hot pants' was just an expression -- Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year! |
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Winston wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:01:38 -0800, Winston wrote: Bruce L. Bergman wrote: (...) Odds are long, but it could happen - Toilets usually don't get thermally stressed at all, They are under daily thermal stress, yes? Yes, but when the furnace kicks on the heat is diffuse enough to gradually raise the temperature of the water closet over the course of an hour, at a slow rate and evenly all over. I was delicately referring to the process of defecation. It's 98.6 F over a couple square inches for more than 10 seconds. You consider that a large temperature gradient. I don't. The porcelain does not shatter. You are heating the inside only, and at a very high rate. It's not a given, but I can see an occasional toilet failure you could trace back to this practice... Nonsense. Toilets fail due to worn plumbing parts in the tank. They don't crack even when we take a dump in mid winter temperatures. Consider the porcelain spark plug. It sees a 200 F to 3500 F to 200 F transition every other revolution. My cars go 100,000 miles between plug changes. The old plugs come out looking moderately worn but still quite serviceable. The plugs don't crack in normal use. (...) Dumping in a kettle-full of almost-boiling water from the stove is going to throw in a whole lot more BTUs (guessing 10X to 50X) and over a period of a few seconds than almost a minute. The whole process was over within about 10 seconds with a maximum temperature of about 100 F. I showed the arithmetic in a previous post. There really is nothing to worry about. The temperature coefficient of porcelain is quite low, 2 to 4 parts per million per degree centigrade, which is what allows massive objects (like sanitary fixtures) to be made cheaply, without having to gradually cool for weeks after firing at 1500 degrees centigrade. A useful discussion appears in US Patent 5614448. I suppose someone could perform the obvious test on a junked bowl and a large pot of boiling water. Joe Gwinn |
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That would be no fun. What use is emprical proof, compared
to heated discussion? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message ... I suppose someone could perform the obvious test on a junked bowl and a large pot of boiling water. Joe Gwinn |
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