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BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll |
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![]() "John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0500, jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. "The Economy is doing better than it was in 2008 and the recession is over" CBS News, December 10, 2009 Right. Oh hell yes. And each and everyone of those drivers is going to sooner or later get home..and will be really really really ****ed off at the Leftards who have ruined the economy. And many of them own guns. The day is coming.....LeftwingOcide is on the horizon. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote in message m... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim |
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![]() "Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote in message om... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim I know and I voted for it. Also voted for it when Arnie ran it by the voters a few years ago. But until then we get the same POS's that we have had for years, until term limited at least. But they will probably stack the commission. I am a registered Dem, fut being a fiscal conservative and social liberal most like tosses me. |
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![]() "azotic" wrote in message ... BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not really surprise me. I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than inform them where I parked their truck. The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
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![]() "Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote in message om... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim I may apply. http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/ |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:00:16 -0800, "Roger Shoaf"
wrote: "azotic" wrote in message ... BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not really surprise me. I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than inform them where I parked their truck. The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure. Or take out a lien on the truck and cargo, for expenses and wages. I wonder what a newer Freightliner and trailer loaded with Christmas Stuff is worth? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Now that we have electronic voting machines. The elections
may be decided by those who program the machines. We voters might not ever be able to make hope and change again. Now that the hope and change people are changing the face of the nation, and removing hope. Abandon hope, ye who live here. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. |
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What are the odds it will turn out to be five liberals, five
RINO, and four left leaning with no party affiliation? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim |
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I heard a quote years ago, that may apply. "We lost a dollar
on every sale, but made up for it on the volume." -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Roger Shoaf" wrote in message ... The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
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Ouch! I sure don't call that economic recovery.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "azotic" wrote in message ... BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. |
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"Roger Shoaf" wrote:
I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than inform them where I parked their truck. After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel mileage heading for home ![]() Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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Far more honrable than a tailgate sale, to earn money for
fuel. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Wes" wrote in message ... After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel mileage heading for home ![]() Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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Let the Record show that jeff on or about Wed,
23 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich Any entity big enough to meet your needs, is big enough to decide what those needs should be. |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? |
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Let the Record show that Wes on or about Thu, 24
Dec 2009 11:39:48 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "Roger Shoaf" wrote: I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than inform them where I parked their truck. After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel mileage heading for home ![]() Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home, don't call us, we'll call you. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:09 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "Jim Chandler" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote in message news:[email protected]. com... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim I may apply. http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/ What the hell. The worst they can do is say "Thank you but your services are not required." If it's done on the up and up (why do I doubt that?) it will be a good thing. Who knows, maybe the Republicans can gain control of the legislature and stop a lot of this excessive taxing and spending that is going on. We can only hope. Jim |
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:09:11 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
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![]() "Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:09 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Jim Chandler" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote in message news:[email protected] .com... jeff wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day. Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership. http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm Best Regards Tom. That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated. Did that frighten you? -- John R. Carroll The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today. They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done. Jim I may apply. http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/ What the hell. The worst they can do is say "Thank you but your services are not required." If it's done on the up and up (why do I doubt that?) it will be a good thing. Who knows, maybe the Republicans can gain control of the legislature and stop a lot of this excessive taxing and spending that is going on. We can only hope. Jim The Republicans will not get control, and they seem to spend almost as much as the Dems. But we may get a more centrist legislature. For years the California legislature has been much more left than the state as an average. |
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![]() "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Now that we have electronic voting machines. The elections may be decided by those who program the machines. We voters might not ever be able to make hope and change again. Now that the hope and change people are changing the face of the nation, and removing hope. Abandon hope, ye who live here. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high, something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions. While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids are. Not anymore room for crookedness than now. Look at the areas with more voters than living people. And with an electronic machine, is easy to get a paper trail Just attach a small printer to each unit, and the person sees what he voted for, then turns in the paper. |
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![]() pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that Wes on or about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:39:48 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "Roger Shoaf" wrote: I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than inform them where I parked their truck. After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel mileage heading for home ![]() Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home, don't call us, we'll call you. I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them off at the nearest Freightliner dealer. |
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![]() cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() -- Offworld checks no longer accepted! |
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on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! |
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![]() pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. I never mentioned 'Santa'. -- Offworld checks no longer accepted! |
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![]() cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) -- Offworld checks no longer accepted! |
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cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) T'wern't sanity I was referring to... |
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![]() cavelamb wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) T'wern't sanity I was referring to... Well, that's just crazy talk! ;-) -- Offworld checks no longer accepted! |
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pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ... -- Snag "90 FLHTCU "Strider" '39 WLDD "PopCycle" BS 132/SENS/DOF |
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That agrees with what I gathered from the article.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home, don't call us, we'll call you. I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them off at the nearest Freightliner dealer. |
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Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home, don't call us, we'll call you. I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them off at the nearest Freightliner dealer. I don't remember all the details on my shirttail cousins deal but the jist of it is the trucking company negotiates leasing terms with a truck manufacturer and the drivers are responsible for the lease. In my cousins case, the truck is leased for 400,000 miles with a warranty that is in effect for the full term. I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag. Wes |
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Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:31:01 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! I have no idea - I'm sitting on (figuratively speaking) a weeks mail. tschus pyotr - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:30:31 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ... "Ladies, did you wake up grumpy this morning? Or did you let him sleep?" Many years ago, I and my sweetie managed to swing a week together between quarters. She tended to grumble that I was far too perky in the morning. "What can I say, I've slept till I'm rested, I woke up next you, what's not to like?" Of course the next week, when I'm having to drag out for classes, that is when I held the soliloquy about the difference between how I am on vacation, and the rest of term. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:48:54 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) Convene a Kangaroo court and have a trial by Joey. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:16:56 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Michael A. Terrell wrote: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) T'wern't sanity I was referring to... Being back to single ... sanity is over rated. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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Dec 2009 22:30:15 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "Pete C." wrote: Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home, don't call us, we'll call you. I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them off at the nearest Freightliner dealer. I don't remember all the details on my shirttail cousins deal but the jist of it is the trucking company negotiates leasing terms with a truck manufacturer and the drivers are responsible for the lease. In my cousins case, the truck is leased for 400,000 miles with a warranty that is in effect for the full term. And sometimes the company hold the truck, and hires drivers. "It all depends" - on the bean counter, tax laws, phase of the moon, the secretary's shoe size... I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag. It will be, the question is, how big is that bag? I checked a forum I'm on. Some of the guys just laid off, were hired with in the last month. They are still waiting for first paychecks. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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![]() pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:48:54 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) Convene a Kangaroo court and have a trial by Joey. In other words, a typical day on usenet? -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Let the Record show that cavelamb on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:16:56 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Michael A. Terrell wrote: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: cavelamb wrote: pyotr filipivich wrote: That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening around our country. Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for. What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony? well shucky darns. - pyotr filipivich This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause??? Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. ![]() There ain'ta no Santa Clause. pyotr I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja! What would he do with sanity? ;-) T'wern't sanity I was referring to... Being back to single ... sanity is over rated. - pyotr filipivich Certainly true enough around here! |
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