BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0500, jeff wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.


"The Economy is doing better than it was in 2008 and the recession is
over"
CBS News, December 10, 2009


Right. Oh hell yes.

And each and everyone of those drivers is going to sooner or later get
home..and will be really really really ****ed off at the Leftards who
have ruined the economy. And many of them own guns.

The day is coming.....LeftwingOcide is on the horizon.

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
m...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.



Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.

Jim

"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
om...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They
say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now
they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the
Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How
many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut
emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What
the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy
in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years
and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts
Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.



Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.

Jim

I know and I voted for it. Also voted for it when Arnie ran it by the
voters a few years ago. But until then we get the same POS's that we have
had for years, until term limited at least. But they will probably stack
the commission. I am a registered Dem, fut being a fiscal conservative and
social liberal most like tosses me.

"azotic" wrote in message
...
BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying
to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their
trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.



As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not
really surprise me.

I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.

The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow
others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make
the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
om...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They
say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now
they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the
Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How
many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut
emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What
the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy
in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years
and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts
Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.



Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.

Jim

I may apply.
http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:00:16 -0800, "Roger Shoaf"
wrote:


"azotic" wrote in message
...
BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying
to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their
trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.



As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not
really surprise me.

I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.

The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow
others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make
the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure.


Or take out a lien on the truck and cargo, for expenses and wages.

I wonder what a newer Freightliner and trailer loaded with Christmas
Stuff is worth?

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

Now that we have electronic voting machines. The elections
may be decided by those who program the machines. We voters
might not ever be able to make hope and change again. Now
that the hope and change people are changing the face of the
nation, and removing hope. Abandon hope, ye who live here.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is
to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the
meltdown. They say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still
very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended
unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of
money, and now they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out
of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the
next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may
throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The
government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not
much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax
Credit, and the Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the
Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising
again. How many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will
cut emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more
production. What the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit.
The economy in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been
overspending for years and
committing spending into the future. They have the
districts Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids
and grandkids
are.

What are the odds it will turn out to be five liberals, five
RINO, and four left leaning with no party affiliation?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
...

Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be
redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it
today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up
will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political
party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago.
It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get
done.

Jim

I heard a quote years ago, that may apply. "We lost a dollar
on every sale, but made up for it on the volume."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message
...

The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is
that they allow
others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and
then try to make
the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined
for failure.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in
the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

Ouch! I sure don't call that economic recovery.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"azotic" wrote in message
...
BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before
Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck
drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly
announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator
Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with
phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn
in their trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

"Roger Shoaf" wrote:

I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.

After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel
mileage heading for home

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Far more honrable than a tailgate sale, to earn money for
fuel.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Wes" wrote in message
...

After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot,
you would get better fuel
mileage heading for home

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to
protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at
home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Let the Record show that jeff on or about Wed,
23 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich
Any entity big enough to meet your needs,
is big enough to decide what those needs should be.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich



This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Let the Record show that Wes on or about Thu, 24
Dec 2009 11:39:48 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Roger Shoaf" wrote:

I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.

After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel
mileage heading for home

Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:09 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
news:dbmdnTTND4tILa_WnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews. com...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They
say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now
they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the
Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How
many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut
emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What
the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy
in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years
and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts
Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.



Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.

Jim

I may apply.
http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/



What the hell. The worst they can do is say "Thank you but your
services are not required." If it's done on the up and up (why do I
doubt that?) it will be a good thing. Who knows, maybe the
Republicans can gain control of the legislature and stop a lot of this
excessive taxing and spending that is going on. We can only hope.

Jim

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:09:11 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

What are the odds it will turn out to be five liberals, five
RINO, and four left leaning with no party affiliation?

Probably about 712 to 1.

Jim

"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:09 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jim Chandler" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:50 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
news:dbmdnTTND4tILa_WnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews .com...
jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers
for Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been
frantically trying to figure out their next moves as the company
unexpectedly announced it was "suspending all operations" that day.

Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent
Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls
from their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the
company was shutting its doors and that their instructions were to
turn in their trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...ow-drivers.htm

Best Regards

Tom.

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?


--
John R. Carroll



The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep
people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They
say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended
unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now
they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout
is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a
good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has
added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the
Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How
many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut
emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What
the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The
economy
in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years
and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts
Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and
grandkids
are.



Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.

Jim

I may apply.
http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/



What the hell. The worst they can do is say "Thank you but your
services are not required." If it's done on the up and up (why do I
doubt that?) it will be a good thing. Who knows, maybe the
Republicans can gain control of the legislature and stop a lot of this
excessive taxing and spending that is going on. We can only hope.

Jim

The Republicans will not get control, and they seem to spend almost as much
as the Dems. But we may get a more centrist legislature. For years the
California legislature has been much more left than the state as an average.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Now that we have electronic voting machines. The elections
may be decided by those who program the machines. We voters
might not ever be able to make hope and change again. Now
that the hope and change people are changing the face of the
nation, and removing hope. Abandon hope, ye who live here.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is
to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the
meltdown. They say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still
very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended
unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of
money, and now they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out
of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the
next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may
throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The
government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not
much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax
Credit, and the Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the
Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising
again. How many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will
cut emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more
production. What the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit.
The economy in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been
overspending for years and
committing spending into the future. They have the
districts Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids
and grandkids
are.




Not anymore room for crookedness than now. Look at the areas with more
voters than living people. And with an electronic machine, is easy to get a
paper trail Just attach a small printer to each unit, and the person sees
what he voted for, then turns in the paper.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the Record show that Wes on or about Thu, 24
Dec 2009 11:39:48 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Roger Shoaf" wrote:

I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.

After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel
mileage heading for home

Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.

I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased
from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them
off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.

cavelamb wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich


This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???


Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:

cavelamb wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich


This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???


Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr


I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:

cavelamb wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.

Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich


This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???


Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.


I never mentioned 'Santa'.


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

cavelamb wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr


I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!


What would he do with sanity? ;-)


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.
There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!


What would he do with sanity? ;-)




T'wern't sanity I was referring to...

cavelamb wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.
There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!


What would he do with sanity? ;-)



T'wern't sanity I was referring to...


Well, that's just crazy talk! ;-)


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking
the following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats
happening around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that
we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow
stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr


I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ...

--
Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF

That agrees with what I gathered from the article.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...


Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads
like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park
it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.

I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using
were leased
from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told
to drop them
off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.

"Pete C." wrote:

Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.

I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased
from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them
off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.

I don't remember all the details on my shirttail cousins deal but the jist of it is the
trucking company negotiates leasing terms with a truck manufacturer and the drivers are
responsible for the lease.

In my cousins case, the truck is leased for 400,000 miles with a warranty that is in
effect for the full term.

I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag.

Wes

Let the Record show that cavelamb on or about
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:31:01 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr


I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

I have no idea - I'm sitting on (figuratively speaking) a weeks
mail.

tschus
pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that "Snag" on or about
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:30:31 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking
the following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats
happening around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that
we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow
stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ...

"Ladies, did you wake up grumpy this morning? Or did you let him
sleep?"

Many years ago, I and my sweetie managed to swing a week together
between quarters. She tended to grumble that I was far too perky in
the morning. "What can I say, I've slept till I'm rested, I woke up
next you, what's not to like?" Of course the next week, when I'm
having to drag out for classes, that is when I held the soliloquy
about the difference between how I am on vacation, and the rest of
term.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:48:54
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

What would he do with sanity? ;-)

Convene a Kangaroo court and have a trial by Joey.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that cavelamb on or about
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:16:56 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.
There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!


What would he do with sanity? ;-)




T'wern't sanity I was referring to...

Being back to single ... sanity is over rated.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Wes on or about Fri, 25
Dec 2009 22:30:15 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Pete C." wrote:

Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.

I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased
from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them
off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.

I don't remember all the details on my shirttail cousins deal but the jist of it is the
trucking company negotiates leasing terms with a truck manufacturer and the drivers are
responsible for the lease.

In my cousins case, the truck is leased for 400,000 miles with a warranty that is in
effect for the full term.

And sometimes the company hold the truck, and hires drivers. "It
all depends" - on the bean counter, tax laws, phase of the moon, the
secretary's shoe size...

I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag.

It will be, the question is, how big is that bag? I checked a
forum I'm on. Some of the guys just laid off, were hired with in the
last month. They are still waiting for first paychecks.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:48:54
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???

Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.

There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

What would he do with sanity? ;-)

Convene a Kangaroo court and have a trial by Joey.


In other words, a typical day on usenet?


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that cavelamb on or about
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:16:56 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
cavelamb wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.

What? You mean with all this bull**** - there isn't a pony?

well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich

This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause.
There ain'ta no Santa Clause.

pyotr

I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!

What would he do with sanity? ;-)



T'wern't sanity I was referring to...

Being back to single ... sanity is over rated.
-
pyotr filipivich



Certainly true enough around here!