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And a government that hasn't been watching the airlines...that would
be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT American Airlines cancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET American Airlines canceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. |
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On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
And a government that hasn't been watching the airlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT American Airlines cancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET American Airlines canceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. Oh look...here's another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Cut a corner here, take a shortcut there...and people start falling out of the sky. I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? TMT Flight cancellations spread to Delta Flight cancellations caused headaches for people taking flights on Delta Air Lines from Atlanta on Thursday because of the company's voluntary re-inspection of wiring on its MD-88 airplanes. Delta began the inspections Wednesday night, causing flights to be canceled and unsuspecting passengers to become frustrated. Officials were expecting heavy volumes at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday, Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. Both Delta and the Transportation Security Administration were bringing in extra staff to handle the crowd of travelers, she said. Kelly said she didn't yet have estimates on how many passengers were affected by the flight cancelations and urged travelers to check their flight's status on Delta's Web site. Delta's MD-90 planes were initially part of the re-inspection, but it was later determined that only Delta's 117 MD-88s would be part of the review, Kelly said. Delta's review comes as American Airlines canceled about 325 flights Wednesday so its crews could inspect wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. Delta said its planes were inspected earlier this year but the airline is "proactively and voluntarily revalidating" compliance with a directive from the Federal Aviation Administration. |
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard |
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Too_Many_Tools writes:
The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? |
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:57:35 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
wrote: Too_Many_Tools writes: The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? Dont expect logic from TheMentalTwit. Its obviously not his strong suit. Gunner |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ... And a government that hasn't been watching the airlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT American Airlines cancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET American Airlines canceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. This is all the union's fault! Just ask our dedicated wingers. Hawke |
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Too_Many_Tools writes: The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? Dont expect logic from TheMentalTwit. Its obviously not his strong suit. Gunner Right, we call on guys like the Popgunner when we need high mental capacity. Tee Hee. Hawke |
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F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:56 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard ========= Close but no cigar.... The airline makes money flying planes *WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.* By restricting the number of flights, the number of people per flight increases, possibly to 100%, even if the total number of people drops. Using "safety" as an excuse avoids problems with gate requirements, crew pay, etc. I'll grat your fill point. But any airline that cancles 300 flights i one day for "safety"??? I'll find a different way to get there. Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:56 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard ========= Close but no cigar.... The airline makes money flying planes *WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.* By restricting the number of flights, the number of people per flight increases, possibly to 100%, even if the total number of people drops. Using "safety" as an excuse avoids problems with gate requirements, crew pay, etc. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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On Mar 27, 8:29 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:56 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard ========= Close but no cigar.... The airline makes money flying planes *WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.* By restricting the number of flights, the number of people per flight increases, possibly to 100%, even if the total number of people drops. Using "safety" as an excuse avoids problems with gate requirements, crew pay, etc. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). I had that happen to me once on a flight on the now defunt airline "Jetsgo" they had three flights form toronto to ottawa in a day they delayed then cancelled the 3 pm and the 6pm flight to have one full 9 pm flight because of "A maintenence issue" it costs less to give the ****ed off customers a food voucher for 10 dollars each to get dinner than to fly a semi empty flight But i dont see that as really applying here since that would be more common and systemwide rather than a sudden inspection blitz Likely the airline knew they would be in deep if they didnt do something that they hadn't done yet (Any MD88's crash due to wiring issues?, Swissair 111?) Smart of Delta to cramble before the FAA comes in witha big stick even though its kinda scary that maintenance could even possibly be skimped on |
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Brent wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:29 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee- associates.us wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:56 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard ========= Close but no cigar.... The airline makes money flying planes *WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.* By restricting the number of flights, the number of people per flight increases, possibly to 100%, even if the total number of people drops. Using "safety" as an excuse avoids problems with gate requirements, crew pay, etc. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). I had that happen to me once on a flight on the now defunt airline "Jetsgo" they had three flights form toronto to ottawa in a day they delayed then cancelled the 3 pm and the 6pm flight to have one full 9 pm flight because of "A maintenence issue" it costs less to give the ****ed off customers a food voucher for 10 dollars each to get dinner than to fly a semi empty flight But i dont see that as really applying here since that would be more common and systemwide rather than a sudden inspection blitz Likely the airline knew they would be in deep if they didnt do something that they hadn't done yet (Any MD88's crash due to wiring issues?, Swissair 111?) Smart of Delta to cramble before the FAA comes in witha big stick even though its kinda scary that maintenance could even possibly be skimped on Maintenance cost money. That detracts from profits. When is their quarterly statement supposed to come out? Just askin! Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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Hawke wrote: Too_Many_Tools writes: The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? Dont expect logic from TheMentalTwit. Its obviously not his strong suit. Gunner Right, we call on guys like the Popgunner when we need high mental capacity. Tee Hee. Hawke And when the job calls for an idiot with only two neurons, you're at the top of the list. Do you drool when you 'Tee Hee'? It's ok, because we don't expect anything else from the village idiots. -- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic. http://improve-usenet.org/index.html |
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On Mar 27, 10:20 pm, cavelamb himself wrote:
Brent wrote: On Mar 27, 8:29 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee- associates.us wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:56 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? snip ========== Possible, but its also a good excuse to cancel a number of flights to save JP4, without causing too many ripples, for example pilot/crew pay. Who can be against "safety?" Sorry George, but that's plainly ridiculous. The airplane has to fly. That's how it makes money. An airplane on the ground COSTS money. They were skipping maintenance. IT caught up with them. Richard ========= Close but no cigar.... The airline makes money flying planes *WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.* By restricting the number of flights, the number of people per flight increases, possibly to 100%, even if the total number of people drops. Using "safety" as an excuse avoids problems with gate requirements, crew pay, etc. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). I had that happen to me once on a flight on the now defunt airline "Jetsgo" they had three flights form toronto to ottawa in a day they delayed then cancelled the 3 pm and the 6pm flight to have one full 9 pm flight because of "A maintenence issue" it costs less to give the ****ed off customers a food voucher for 10 dollars each to get dinner than to fly a semi empty flight But i dont see that as really applying here since that would be more common and systemwide rather than a sudden inspection blitz Likely the airline knew they would be in deep if they didnt do something that they hadn't done yet (Any MD88's crash due to wiring issues?, Swissair 111?) Smart of Delta to cramble before the FAA comes in witha big stick even though its kinda scary that maintenance could even possibly be skimped on Maintenance cost money. That detracts from profits. When is their quarterly statement supposed to come out? Just askin! Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne having two guys looking at the wheelwell and doing nothing for a few hours costed them nothing compared to running an empty plane you missed the "Now Defunct" part the airline went broke 3 or 4 years ago they didn't manage decent service or on time delivery of passengers and weren't successful i was glad to see them go |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
: snip And when the job calls for an idiot with only two neurons, you're at the top of the list. Do you drool when you 'Tee Hee'? It's ok, because we don't expect anything else from the village idiots. Nah, he would still would not make the minimum..... Bill |
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On Mar 27, 7:10*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: And a government that hasn't been watching the airlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT American Airlines cancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET American Airlines canceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. Oh look...here's another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Cut a corner here, take a shortcut there...and people start falling out of the sky. I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? TMT Flight cancellations spread to Delta Flight cancellations caused headaches for people taking flights on Delta Air Lines from Atlanta on Thursday because of the company's voluntary re-inspection of wiring on its MD-88 airplanes. Delta began the inspections Wednesday night, causing flights to be canceled and unsuspecting passengers to become frustrated. Officials were expecting heavy volumes at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday, Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. Both Delta and the Transportation Security Administration were bringing in extra staff to handle the crowd of travelers, she said. Kelly said she didn't yet have estimates on how many passengers were affected by the flight cancelations and urged travelers to check their flight's status on Delta's Web site. Delta's MD-90 planes were initially part of the re-inspection, but it was later determined that only Delta's 117 MD-88s would be part of the review, Kelly said. Delta's review comes as American Airlines canceled about 325 flights Wednesday so its crews could inspect wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. Delta said its planes were inspected earlier this year but the airline is "proactively and voluntarily revalidating" compliance with a directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Of the 300 aircraft inspected, 151 needed modified, he said." So half of the airplanes were flying with substandard maintainance. In my book, that is unacceptable. And it is very unacceptable for the government to not have been on this as it was going on. The responsibility for this lies with the Republican cuts in oversight agencies FAA. And their budget cuts are risking the lives of your family members. TMT Service resumes after plane wire checks Fri Mar 28, American Airlines canceled a handful of flights on Friday as it finished up its inspections of wiring bundles on some of its planes, while Delta Air Lines resumed normal service after completing its inspections. Four American flights were canceled out of the airline's about 2,300 daily flights, American spokesman Tim Wagner said early Friday morning. He said that six planes were still being worked on. "That's pretty much as close to normal as you can get," Wagner said. Of the 300 aircraft inspected, 151 needed modified, he said. Delta Air Lines Inc. spokeswoman Betsy Talton said the airline completed its inspections Thursday night and planned no cancellations for Friday. "We will be running a normal schedule," she said. Delta said Thursday it would cancel 275 flights, affecting 3 percent of Delta's worldwide flight schedule, to make the re-inspections. American, the nation's largest airline, canceled 141 flights by mid- afternoon Thursday, officials said. The Fort Worth-based airline canceled 318 flights Wednesday. American is part of AMR Corp. At American, inspectors from the airline and the Federal Aviation Administration focused on fixing the spacing between cords used to secure bundles of wires in the auxiliary hydraulic systems of its MD-80 aircraft. The inspections came almost three weeks after the FAA ordered a check of maintenance records at all U.S. airlines following criticism of the agency's handling of missed fuselage inspections at Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. The FAA imposed a $10.2 million civil penalty on Southwest this month for missing the inspections and then continuing to fly the planes with passengers on board even after realizing the mistake. Southwest officials have said they repaired small cracks in the fuselages of six planes last year and four this month. The FAA said it would check compliance with at least 10 safety orders at every U.S. airline by Friday. A more complete audit is due by the end of June. |
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Too_Many_Tools writes:
On Mar 27, 7:10*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Damn, nobody else giving any responses you want to respond to? "Of the 300 aircraft inspected, 151 needed modified, he said." So half of the airplanes were flying with substandard maintainance. In my book, that is unacceptable. And it is very unacceptable for the government to not have been on this as it was going on. The responsibility for this lies with the Republican cuts in oversight agencies FAA. And their budget cuts are risking the lives of your family members. That's the thing about maintenance -- you don't *really* know it's inadequate until something breaks. Finding out half the fleet needs a procedure done, when that half has been flying without incident.... sorry, just can't get worked up about how this reflects on the Democrat-controlled Congress that sets the budgets. |
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On Mar 27, 11:57*am, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Too_Many_Tools writes: The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? Joe...I am goint to give you the benefit of a doubt...and educate you. This is a definite pattern of allowing maintainance to slip to keep planes flying..which belps the bottom line. This was intentional. The FAA is doing an industry wide crackdown on airline maintainance...read the article...and that only happens when a "OH SH*T" has occurred. The FAA and the Administration have been caught not doing their job. The bottom line is that the airlines went for more profits betting that your family would not die flying the friendly skies. It is time for someone to go to jail. TMT |
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On Mar 27, 1:36*pm, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:57:35 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Too_Many_Tools writes: The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. Are you seriously saying that oversight turning up a maintenance problem (before the problem caused any accidents that I've heard about) is evidence of a lack of oversight? Dont expect logic from TheMentalTwit. Its obviously not his strong suit. Gunner Gunner...I thought I was in your killfile. As a mechanically minded person, I would think you would know what happens to a plane when maintainance is not done...I will give you a clue..they fall out of the sky. TMT |
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On Mar 28, 11:12*pm, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Too_Many_Tools writes: On Mar 27, 7:10*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Damn, nobody else giving any responses you want to respond to? "Of the 300 aircraft inspected, 151 needed modified, he said." So half of the airplanes were flying with substandard maintainance. In my book, that is unacceptable. And it is very unacceptable for the government to not have been on this as it was going on. The responsibility for this lies with the Republican cuts in oversight agencies FAA. And their budget cuts are risking the lives of your family members. That's the thing about maintenance -- you don't *really* know it's inadequate until something breaks. *Finding out half the fleet needs a procedure done, when that half has been flying without incident.... sorry, just can't get worked up about how this reflects on the Democrat-controlled Congress that sets the budgets. Democrat-controlled? Sorry...the Republicans are the ones who cut the budget for the FAA...and Bush is the one who keeps the Democrats from increasing it. But you already knew that. Why do Republicans find it necessary to lie? TMT |
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Too_Many_Tools writes:
On Mar 28, 11:12*pm, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Too_Many_Tools writes: On Mar 27, 7:10*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Damn, nobody else giving any responses you want to respond to? "Of the 300 aircraft inspected, 151 needed modified, he said." So half of the airplanes were flying with substandard maintainance. In my book, that is unacceptable. And it is very unacceptable for the government to not have been on this as it was going on. The responsibility for this lies with the Republican cuts in oversight agencies FAA. And their budget cuts are risking the lives of your family members. That's the thing about maintenance -- you don't *really* know it's inadequate until something breaks. *Finding out half the fleet needs a procedure done, when that half has been flying without incident.... sorry, just can't get worked up about how this reflects on the Democrat-controlled Congress that sets the budgets. Democrat-controlled? Sorry...the Republicans are the ones who cut the budget for the FAA...and Bush is the one who keeps the Democrats from increasing it. That's the thing about being the majority party in both the House and Senate: you sort of have to take responsibility for whatever gets passed. If there were a strong interest among the Democrats to see the FAA's budget increased, it would happen. Bush doesn't have a line-item veto, and the FAA simply isn't a big enough enough piece of the budget that he'd veto a budget to stop it. But you already knew that. Why do Republicans find it necessary to lie? Same reason as Democrats, I expect. |
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Guess who else has been not been doing their maintainance?
On Mar 27, 7:10*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:25*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: And a government that hasn't been watching theairlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT AmericanAirlinescancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET AmericanAirlinescanceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. Oh look...here's another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Cut a corner here, take a shortcut there...and people start falling out of the sky. I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? TMT Flight cancellations spread to Delta Flight cancellations caused headaches for people taking flights on Delta Air Lines from Atlanta on Thursday because of the company's voluntary re-inspection of wiring on its MD-88 airplanes. Delta began the inspections Wednesday night, causing flights to be canceled and unsuspecting passengers to become frustrated. Officials were expecting heavy volumes at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday, Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. Both Delta and the Transportation Security Administration were bringing in extra staff to handle the crowd of travelers, she said. Kelly said she didn't yet have estimates on how many passengers were affected by the flight cancelations and urged travelers to check their flight's status on Delta's Web site. Delta's MD-90 planes were initially part of the re-inspection, but it was later determined that only Delta's 117 MD-88s would be part of the review, Kelly said. Delta's review comes as AmericanAirlinescanceled about 325 flights Wednesday so its crews could inspect wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. Delta said its planes were inspected earlier this year but the airline is "proactively and voluntarily revalidating" compliance with a directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Placing the flying public at risk...and the government allowing it. TMT United grounds 777s for inspections United Airlines temporarily grounded 11 percent of its fleet Wednesday, while it tested dozens of Boeing 777s to make sure components of a cargo fire suppression system were operating effectively, the carrier said. The Chicago-based airline said testing will be done on 52 777s during the next 36 hours. Spokeswoman Jean Medina said 12 planes had been inspected and cleared to fly by midmorning. The carrier has about 460 aircraft. Delays were being reported in Japan and Hawaii Wednesday morning and the airline warned passengers to be prepared for other delays and cancellations as it proceeded with the inspections. United, a subsidiary of UAL Corp., said a review of maintenance records showed a test on one of five bottles in the fire suppression system hadn't been performed. The airline alerted authorities. The planes, which have a so-called "intuitive" self-diagnostic system that would have detected any malfunction with the fire suppression system, mostly fly international routes and from the carrier's major hubs. United carried out unscheduled maintenance on seven of its Boeing 747 jets last month but found no safety-related issues. The Federal Aviation Administration has been checking maintenance records at all domestic airlines after revelations surfaced about missed safety inspections at Southwest Airlines Co. ___ On the Net: http://www.united.com |
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Guess who else has been not been doing their maintainance?
On Apr 2, 7:53 am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:10 wrote: On Mar 26, 9:25 wrote: And a government that hasn't been watching theairlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT AmericanAirlinescancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET AmericanAirlinescanceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. Oh look...here's another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Cut a corner here, take a shortcut there...and people start falling out of the sky. I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? TMT Flight cancellations spread to Delta Flight cancellations caused headaches for people taking flights on Delta Air Lines from Atlanta on Thursday because of the company's voluntary re-inspection of wiring on its MD-88 airplanes. Delta began the inspections Wednesday night, causing flights to be canceled and unsuspecting passengers to become frustrated. Officials were expecting heavy volumes at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday, Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. Both Delta and the Transportation Security Administration were bringing in extra staff to handle the crowd of travelers, she said. Kelly said she didn't yet have estimates on how many passengers were affected by the flight cancelations and urged travelers to check their flight's status on Delta's Web site. Delta's MD-90 planes were initially part of the re-inspection, but it was later determined that only Delta's 117 MD-88s would be part of the review, Kelly said. Delta's review comes as AmericanAirlinescanceled about 325 flights Wednesday so its crews could inspect wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. Delta said its planes were inspected earlier this year but the airline is "proactively and voluntarily revalidating" compliance with a directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Placing the flying public at risk...and the government allowing it. TMT United grounds 777s for inspections UnitedAirlinestemporarily grounded 11 percent of its fleet Wednesday, while it tested dozens of Boeing 777s to make sure components of a cargo fire suppression system were operating effectively, the carrier said. The Chicago-based airline said testing will be done on 52 777s during the next 36 hours. Spokeswoman Jean Medina said 12 planes had been inspected and cleared to fly by midmorning. The carrier has about 460 aircraft. Delays were being reported in Japan and Hawaii Wednesday morning and the airline warned passengers to be prepared for other delays and cancellations as it proceeded with the inspections. United, a subsidiary of UAL Corp., said a review of maintenance records showed a test on one of five bottles in the fire suppression system hadn't been performed. The airline alerted authorities. The planes, which have a so-called "intuitive" self-diagnostic system that would have detected any malfunction with the fire suppression system, mostly fly international routes and from the carrier's major hubs. United carried out unscheduled maintenance on seven of its Boeing 747 jets last month but found no safety-related issues. The Federal Aviation Administration has been checking maintenance records at all domesticairlinesafter revelations surfaced about missed safety inspections at SouthwestAirlinesCo. ___ On the Net: http://www.united.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet another instance.... How do you feel knowing the Government has put you and your family at risk/ TMT American cancels more flights By DAVID KOENIG, AP Business Writer Tue Apr 8, 6:48 PM ET American Airlines said it was canceling up to 500 flights Tuesday, potentially more than one-fifth of its schedule, to check the bundling of wires in some planes, the same issue that caused the airline to scrap more than 400 flights last month. American, the nation's largest carrier, said the cancellations could spill into Wednesday and beyond. The airline said the Federal Aviation Administration raised more concerns about the recent inspections of the wiring in its approximately 300 MD-80 aircraft. The inspections will focus on issues including the spacing and direction of cords used to secure bundles of wires in the planes' auxiliary hydraulic systems. The company said they were not safety-of- flight issues. Tim Wagner, a spokesman for the airline, said an FAA inspector checked several planes Monday and found that some of the work performed last month didn't meet the agency's standards. American operates about 2,300 daily flights. Wagner said 185 flights had already been canceled by late afternoon at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where American often uses MD-80s. The FAA has tightened inspections of planes at all U.S. carriers since the agency came under fire for letting Southwest Airlines Co. fly planes that had missed safety inspections. American and Delta Air Lines Inc. both canceled flights in late March to perform wiring- related inspections and repairs. Wagner said the latest grounding of flights was due to "very detailed and technical compliance" with instructions that American gave its mechanics last month for how to comply with the FAA order on wiring in MD-80s, and the work done by the mechanics. Wagner said the company started pulling planes out of service in mid- afternoon. The work may last just 10 to 20 minutes per plane but could take longer if wiring needs to be rebundled, he said. It is "quite possible" that the work -- and flight cancellations -- could stretch beyond Wednesday, he said. In a statement issued by the airline, Chief Executive Gerard Arpey said, "We regret and apologize that we are once again causing inconvenience to our customers." He said the company was working in good faith to comply completely with the FAA wiring order. The Fort Worth-based airline said it would put displaced travelers on other American flights or those operated by competitors. The cancelations and resulting loss of revenue could hardly come at a worse time for American, which is facing high fuel prices and a weakening economy that could hurt demand for travel. American's parent, AMR Corp., is scheduled to report first-quarter earnings in two weeks, and analysts are forecasting a loss of more than $300 million, according to a survey by Thomson Financial. Jamie Baker, an analyst with JPMorgan, said in a recent note to clients that he expects airline revenue to decline significantly beginning in the April-June second quarter due to the one-two punch of costly fuel and a possible recession. |
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Guess who else has been not been doing their maintainance?
On Apr 8, 10:53 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:53 am, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 27, 7:10 wrote: On Mar 26, 9:25 wrote: And a government that hasn't been watching theairlines...that would be bad for business. If only we had an administration who cared more for people than for dollars. TMT AmericanAirlinescancels flights Wed Mar 26, 10:18 AM ET AmericanAirlinescanceled about 200 flights on Wednesday so its crews can inspect some wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. The cancelled flights represent less than 10 percent of the nation's biggest airline's scheduled service for the day. The need for the new inspections became known during an audit of American by a joint team of inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Fort Worth-based airline, according to a statement from American. "We are reinspecting the MD-80s to make sure the wiring is installed and secured exactly according to the directive," American spokesman Tim Wagner said in the statement, which did not describe the function of the wiring. "We are in the process of completing the inspections on the remaining airplanes and will return them to service on a rolling basis throughout the day," Wagner said. About 50 departures each were canceled at American's hubs at Dallas- Fort Worth and Chicago O'Hare international airports. Shares of American's parent AMR Corp. fell 43 cents, or 4.5 percent, to $9.20 in morning trading Wednesday. They have traded in a 52-week range of $8.38 to $34. Oh look...here's another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Cut a corner here, take a shortcut there...and people start falling out of the sky. I wonder if this has anything to do with all those Republicans that will be flying into the GOP convention this summer? TMT Flight cancellations spread to Delta Flight cancellations caused headaches for people taking flights on Delta Air Lines from Atlanta on Thursday because of the company's voluntary re-inspection of wiring on its MD-88 airplanes. Delta began the inspections Wednesday night, causing flights to be canceled and unsuspecting passengers to become frustrated. Officials were expecting heavy volumes at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday, Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. Both Delta and the Transportation Security Administration were bringing in extra staff to handle the crowd of travelers, she said. Kelly said she didn't yet have estimates on how many passengers were affected by the flight cancelations and urged travelers to check their flight's status on Delta's Web site. Delta's MD-90 planes were initially part of the re-inspection, but it was later determined that only Delta's 117 MD-88s would be part of the review, Kelly said. Delta's review comes as AmericanAirlinescanceled about 325 flights Wednesday so its crews could inspect wire bundles aboard its MD-80 aircraft. Delta said its planes were inspected earlier this year but the airline is "proactively and voluntarily revalidating" compliance with a directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet another one.... Now how could this be happening if the government was doing its job of oversight? Placing the flying public at risk...and the government allowing it. TMT United grounds 777s for inspections UnitedAirlinestemporarily grounded 11 percent of its fleet Wednesday, while it tested dozens of Boeing 777s to make sure components of a cargo fire suppression system were operating effectively, the carrier said. The Chicago-based airline said testing will be done on 52 777s during the next 36 hours. Spokeswoman Jean Medina said 12 planes had been inspected and cleared to fly by midmorning. The carrier has about 460 aircraft. Delays were being reported in Japan and Hawaii Wednesday morning and the airline warned passengers to be prepared for other delays and cancellations as it proceeded with the inspections. United, a subsidiary of UAL Corp., said a review of maintenance records showed a test on one of five bottles in the fire suppression system hadn't been performed. The airline alerted authorities. The planes, which have a so-called "intuitive" self-diagnostic system that would have detected any malfunction with the fire suppression system, mostly fly international routes and from the carrier's major hubs. United carried out unscheduled maintenance on seven of its Boeing 747 jets last month but found no safety-related issues. The Federal Aviation Administration has been checking maintenance records at all domesticairlinesafter revelations surfaced about missed safety inspections at SouthwestAirlinesCo. ___ On the Net: http://www.united.com-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet another instance.... How do you feel knowing the Government has put you and your family at risk/ TMT American cancels more flights By DAVID KOENIG, AP Business Writer Tue Apr 8, 6:48 PM ET American Airlines said it was canceling up to 500 flights Tuesday, potentially more than one-fifth of its schedule, to check the bundling of wires in some planes, the same issue that caused the airline to scrap more than 400 flights last month. American, the nation's largest carrier, said the cancellations could spill into Wednesday and beyond. The airline said the Federal Aviation Administration raised more concerns about the recent inspections of the wiring in its approximately 300 MD-80 aircraft. The inspections will focus on issues including the spacing and direction of cords used to secure bundles of wires in the planes' auxiliary hydraulic systems. The company said they were not safety-of- flight issues. Tim Wagner, a spokesman for the airline, said an FAA inspector checked several planes Monday and found that some of the work performed last month didn't meet the agency's standards. American operates about 2,300 daily flights. Wagner said 185 flights had already been canceled by late afternoon at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where American often uses MD-80s. The FAA has tightened inspections of planes at all U.S. carriers since the agency came under fire for letting Southwest Airlines Co. fly planes that had missed safety inspections. American and Delta Air Lines Inc. both canceled flights in late March to perform wiring- related inspections and repairs. Wagner said the latest grounding of flights was due to "very detailed and technical compliance" with instructions that American gave its mechanics last month for how to comply with the FAA order on wiring in MD-80s, and the work done by the mechanics. Wagner said the company started pulling planes out of service in mid- afternoon. The work may last just 10 to 20 minutes per plane but could take longer if wiring needs to be rebundled, he said. It is "quite possible" that the work -- and flight cancellations -- could stretch beyond Wednesday, he said. In a statement issued by the airline, Chief Executive Gerard Arpey said, "We regret and apologize that we are once again causing inconvenience to our customers." He said the company was working in good faith to comply completely with the FAA wiring order. The Fort Worth-based airline said it would put displaced travelers on other American flights or those operated by competitors. The cancelations and resulting loss of revenue could hardly come at a worse time for American, which is facing high fuel prices and a weakening economy that could hurt demand for travel. American's parent, AMR Corp., is scheduled to report first-quarter earnings in two weeks, and analysts are forecasting a loss of more than $300 million, according to a survey by Thomson Financial. Jamie Baker, an analyst with JPMorgan, said in a recent note to clients that he expects airline revenue to decline significantly beginning in the April-June second quarter due to the one-two punch of costly fuel and a possible recession.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - WOW...we are watching the airline industry meltdown... Serves them right.....putting the American public in flying bombs. Isn't this what terrorists do? TMT American cancels more than 1,000 flights By DAVID KOENIG, AP Business Writer Wed Apr 9, 7:21 PM ET Business trips and vacations were disrupted for tens of thousands of travelers Wednesday as American Airlines canceled more than 1,000 flights -- nearly half its schedule -- to fix faulty wiring that could cause a short-circuit or even a fire and explosion. It was the latest -- and largest -- in a wave of cancellations at major U.S. airlines that have caused long lines at ticket counters and made flying even more stressful than usual. Executives at American said safety was never compromised, and they suggested the nation's biggest airline was the victim of suddenly stepped-up scrutiny by federal regulators. American estimated that more than 100,000 travelers were booked on the canceled flights. Many had to scramble to book new flights and were stranded at hotels far from home. The airline had already scrubbed 460 flights on Tuesday after federal inspectors found problems with wiring work done two weeks ago, during the first set of shutdowns. A top executive said the cancellations would be a "significant" cost to American, and shares of parent AMR Corp. fell 11.1 percent, down $1.15 to $9.17. The issue stems from an order that the Federal Aviation Administration gave airlines in September 2006 -- and gave airlines until last month to meet -- about the bundling of wires in the backup power system for the fuel pump of the MD-80 airplanes. The fear is that improperly bundled wires could rub, leading to an electrical short or even fire. However, no serious incidents have been blamed on the bundles, the FAA said. American officials thought they had fixed the problem last month. But this week, FAA inspectors found problems with the work done on more than a dozen planes. American said it had no choice but to ground all 300 of its MD-80s to deal with the wiring bundles. American operates about 2,200 daily flights, more than one-third with MD-80s. Nearly half the cancellations were concentrated at two airports, in Dallas and Chicago. At New York's LaGuardia Airport on Wednesday, hundreds of passengers stood in check-in lines or milled about, using cell phones to get updates on their flights. The airline offered free doughnuts, coffee and orange juice, but there were few takers. "They should be able to predict these kinds of things," said Laura Goodman, whose flight home to Dallas was canceled. She said would miss an important meeting because the airline couldn't rebook her until Thursday. New Yorker Michelle Soss had hoped to steal a few days in Albuquerque, N.M. "I covered my kids' schedules, I covered my work schedule to get away for a few days," she said. "I don't know if I'm getting anywhere." American's cancellations came after similar delays at Southwest, Delta and United. Last week, hundreds of travelers were marooned when Aloha Airlines and ATA Airlines shut down and filed for bankruptcy protection. Alaska Airlines said Wednesday it canceled 14 flights to inspect the wiring on its nine MD-80s. For travelers, the bad news might not be over. Daniel Garton, American's executive vice president, said flights would be canceled Thursday -- he said it was too early to say how many -- and possibly on Friday, too. A return to normal operations depends on how quickly mechanics can inspect and fix the wire bundles. As of Wednesday morning, only 30 MD-80s had been cleared to fly by the FAA. Garton acknowledged that the bundling of wires had not met FAA standards, but he said "these were not huge errors" and posed no threat to safety. He said the agency used to give airlines "latitude" in interpreting safety regulations, but no longer. The FAA began looking more closely at airlines' compliance with safety directives in recent weeks, after it was criticized for letting Southwest operate planes that had missed inspections for cracked fuselages. In the past few weeks, the FAA levied a $10.2 million penalty against Southwest and conducted new inspections at all U.S. airlines, leading to flight cancellations at Southwest, Delta and United. FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitaliere said inspectors found problems with the wiring bundles at 15 of 19 American MD-80s that it checked this week. The 2006 safety order from the FAA directs airlines in how to pack and stow wiring to a hydraulic pump in the wheel well to prevent the wires from rubbing together. According to the FAA, shorted wires could ignite fuel vapors and cause a fuel-tank explosion that could destroy a plane. The explosion of TWA Flight 800 off New York's Long Island that killed all 230 people aboard in July 1996 was blamed on fuel vapors ignited by wiring. But it was a Boeing 747, not an MD-80, and investigators believe the disaster involved different wiring from the bundles now under scrutiny. Brian Stirm, an aircraft-maintenance expert at Purdue University, said airlines had plenty of time for the inspections and that even an untrained mechanic could spot a problem. The cancellations could hardly come at a worse time for American. Its parent, AMR Corp., is scheduled to report first-quarter earnings in two weeks, and analysts are forecasting a loss of more than $300 million. High fuel prices and the downturn in the economy are hurting the industry. American officials said the company would give $500 travel vouchers to anyone stranded overnight. It also paid for hotel rooms and meals for an undisclosed number of passengers. Bob McAdoo, an airline analyst, said passengers might soon forget the debacle, especially since several other major airlines have canceled flights recently. But he said passengers who missed big events like weddings might avoid American again. Kathy Neer of Santa Fe, N.M., was caught up in both waves of cancellations to and from a vacation in Paris. She and her husband were stranded in Dallas on Tuesday on the final leg of their journey home. American gave the Neers a voucher for a hotel room and seats on another flight home Wednesday. "They say our flight is leaving at 3:55 p.m., but do you think we trust them?" Neer said. "After being burned twice, we're a little skeptical." ___ Associated Press writers Ula Ilnytzky in New York, Jeff Carlton in Dallas and Dan Caternicchia in Washington contributed to this report. |
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