I brought home a Clausing 1300 lathe (13" x 36") that has a somewhat
peculiar cross slide. There is a main cross slide, with the normal
power cross feed, but instead of a normal compound on top, the main
side has T slots towards the front and rear. A regular Aloris tool
post is attached with a small base plate bolted down to the T slots.
Since It appears this is the way the machine was made, what was the
main use for such an adaptation? I'm guessing I need to find an
entire compound/cross feed assembly if I want to be able to cut
angles, chamfers etc. Since the lathe seems in pretty good good
condition, I'd really like to figure a way to install the normal
compound or adapt a compound from an other lathe. Any ideas or
sources for a used compound?

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:19:25 -0800 (PST), oldjag
wrote:

I brought home a Clausing 1300 lathe (13" x 36") that has a somewhat
peculiar cross slide. There is a main cross slide, with the normal
power cross feed, but instead of a normal compound on top, the main
side has T slots towards the front and rear. A regular Aloris tool
post is attached with a small base plate bolted down to the T slots.
Since It appears this is the way the machine was made, what was the
main use for such an adaptation?

It allows you to set up two independent tools on the carriage, very
common on ram-type turret lathes. This pic shows a typical setup with
a turning tool on the front and a cutoff on the back.
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/TL1.jpg


--
Ned Simmons

I suspect you may have a turret lathe. With this option they did not have
the normal compound.

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About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.


"oldjag" wrote in message
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I brought home a Clausing 1300 lathe (13" x 36") that has a somewhat
peculiar cross slide. There is a main cross slide, with the normal
power cross feed, but instead of a normal compound on top, the main
side has T slots towards the front and rear. A regular Aloris tool
post is attached with a small base plate bolted down to the T slots.
Since It appears this is the way the machine was made, what was the
main use for such an adaptation? I'm guessing I need to find an
entire compound/cross feed assembly if I want to be able to cut
angles, chamfers etc. Since the lathe seems in pretty good good
condition, I'd really like to figure a way to install the normal
compound or adapt a compound from an other lathe. Any ideas or
sources for a used compound?

It looks very similar to the slide in your photo. The lathe has a
regular tailstock and no turret, so I don't think it was originally
set up ar a turret lathe. It would be nice to be able to set a
compound of some sort on the T slots, but I'm not sure if it would
wind putting the tool post up to high relative to the center height.

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:17:02 -0800 (PST), oldjag
wrote:

It looks very similar to the slide in your photo. The lathe has a
regular tailstock and no turret, so I don't think it was originally
set up ar a turret lathe. It would be nice to be able to set a
compound of some sort on the T slots, but I'm not sure if it would
wind putting the tool post up to high relative to the center height.

I know Clausing did offer some of their lathes with turrets in place
of the tailstock, and I once had a 16" Southbend set up that way. I
think Don Nichols has a Clausing turret lathe - you might want to get
his attention if he doesn't pop in.

It seems reasonable that since Clausing was already making your style
of cross slide for turret lathes, they may have offered it as an
option on the engine lathes.

--
Ned Simmons

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:17:02 -0800 (PST), oldjag
wrote:

It looks very similar to the slide in your photo. The lathe has a
regular tailstock and no turret, so I don't think it was originally
set up ar a turret lathe. It would be nice to be able to set a
compound of some sort on the T slots, but I'm not sure if it would
wind putting the tool post up to high relative to the center height.

I know Clausing did offer some of their lathes with turrets in place
of the tailstock, and I once had a 16" Southbend set up that way. I
think Don Nichols has a Clausing turret lathe - you might want to get
his attention if he doesn't pop in.

It seems reasonable that since Clausing was already making your style
of cross slide for turret lathes, they may have offered it as an
option on the engine lathes.

My used 5914 included both a bed turret and standard tailstock as well as
the standard cross slide and a production cross slide. It's fairly easy to
swap between the TS and bed turret and I suspect that swapping the cross
slides is only a bit more difficult, but I've never had the need to do that.
If the OP can find a standard compound he will probably find it easy to
install it.

The bed turret has some advantages for drilling large deep holes in harder
to machine materials, like SS.

Mike

Mike, I think I'll give Clausing a call Monday and see if they can
tell me what other lathes they made that might have a topslide/cross
slide which might interchange. I'm pretty sure a new replacement
would have a scary price. The existing cross slide is in mint
condition, very tight gibs and 0.004 backlash on the screw so, I don't
think it was used a whole lot. I can see it would be a more rigid
setup than the conventional TS. Maybe I can find someone who would
want to their swap CS/TS for my turret type bed + some $$$...

On 2007-12-01, oldjag wrote:
I brought home a Clausing 1300 lathe (13" x 36") that has a somewhat
peculiar cross slide. There is a main cross slide, with the normal
power cross feed, but instead of a normal compound on top, the main
side has T slots towards the front and rear. A regular Aloris tool
post is attached with a small base plate bolted down to the T slots.
Since It appears this is the way the machine was made, what was the
main use for such an adaptation?

It is for use with a bed turret in place of a tailstock. Most
of the turning is done by fixtures in the turret -- turning to diameter
(box tool) external threading (Geometric die heads), internal threading
(either releasing tap holders for smaller threads, or Geometric
collapsing taps for larger threads), knurling (several styles of
knurling tools), end drilling (bits in chucks in the turret), reaming
(floating self-aligning reamer holder) and other things which I'm
probably overlooking.

The fancy cross slide will likely have one tool (upside down
parting tool) in the back tool holder (which you are missing), and
perhaps a tool to bevel the workpiece in the front tool holder.

I'm guessing I need to find an
entire compound/cross feed assembly if I want to be able to cut
angles, chamfers etc. Since the lathe seems in pretty good good
condition,

Does it have a longitudinal leadscrew? If so, I'll bet that it
is in excellent condition. Mine was on my 12" which came with the bed
turret, but the standard cross-slide and compound. All the threading
had been done with Geometric style tools, so there was almost no wear on
the leadscrew or half-nuts. There was a threading dial -- in one of the
drawers. It had never been mounted to the carriage. :-)

I'd really like to figure a way to install the normal
compound or adapt a compound from an other lathe. Any ideas or
sources for a used compound?

Hmm ... you might be able to make a ring which bolts down to the
T-slots to hold down a normal compound -- perhaps from a 12" lathe,
which may be more common.

Take the model number and serial number and contact Clausing
Service Center. They'll happily sell you for very little a photocopy of
the manual adapted to the serial number of your machine. They can also
probably tell you what year it was sold -- and to whom. (Mine was 1957,
and sold to a machine dealer in New York -- not to the end user.)

Good Luck,
DoN.

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On 2007-12-01, Ned Simmons wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:17:02 -0800 (PST), oldjag
wrote:

It looks very similar to the slide in your photo. The lathe has a
regular tailstock and no turret, so I don't think it was originally
set up ar a turret lathe. It would be nice to be able to set a
compound of some sort on the T slots, but I'm not sure if it would
wind putting the tool post up to high relative to the center height.

I know Clausing did offer some of their lathes with turrets in place
of the tailstock, and I once had a 16" Southbend set up that way. I
think Don Nichols has a Clausing turret lathe - you might want to get
his attention if he doesn't pop in.

I did. :-)

It seems reasonable that since Clausing was already making your style
of cross slide for turret lathes, they may have offered it as an
option on the engine lathes.

Or -- some previous owner may have chased down the tailstock to
fit it, and sold off the turret. It mounts just like the tailstock,
except that there is a clamp at each end, held by two Allen-head cap
screws at each end.

I had to track down a standard tailstock for mine -- but I kept
the turret, as it is very useful at times. I wish that I had the
alternate cross-slide too -- but yours would not fit my lathe 13" vs
12", and I would want to keep my standard one as well. I think that
they can be swapped at the dovetail between the cross-slide and the
carriage.

BTW -- does your cross-slide have a crank and leadscrew, or a
lever feed? Some of these had the latter, as it was quicker to use in
production -- where you were not using the cross-slide to turn specific
diameters.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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On Dec 2, 1:41 am, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
On 2007-12-01, Ned Simmons wrote:

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:17:02 -0800 (PST), oldjag
wrote:

It looks very similar to the slide in your photo. The lathe has a
regular tailstock and no turret, so I don't think it was originally
set up ar a turret lathe. It would be nice to be able to set a
compound of some sort on the T slots, but I'm not sure if it would
wind putting the tool post up to high relative to the center height.

I know Clausing did offer some of their lathes with turrets in place
of the tailstock, and I once had a 16" Southbend set up that way. I
think Don Nichols has a Clausing turret lathe - you might want to get
his attention if he doesn't pop in.

I did. :-)

It seems reasonable that since Clausing was already making your style
of cross slide for turret lathes, they may have offered it as an
option on the engine lathes.

Or -- some previous owner may have chased down the tailstock to
fit it, and sold off the turret. It mounts just like the tailstock,
except that there is a clamp at each end, held by two Allen-head cap
screws at each end.

I had to track down a standard tailstock for mine -- but I kept
the turret, as it is very useful at times. I wish that I had the
alternate cross-slide too -- but yours would not fit my lathe 13" vs
12", and I would want to keep my standard one as well. I think that
they can be swapped at the dovetail between the cross-slide and the
carriage.

BTW -- does your cross-slide have a crank and leadscrew, or a
lever feed? Some of these had the latter, as it was quicker to use in
production -- where you were not using the cross-slide to turn specific
diameters.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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It has the crank and lead screw. Seems to have had very little use on
the bed ways, cross slide and tailstock, but oddly the headstock looks
well used.