I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

Sorry for the multiple posts......cats on the keyboard....



Planes True wrote:
The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in
Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

This is on my list of projects to complete. I did assemble the list of
materials but haven't completed the riser box shown in the plans.


wrote:
I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

Having an XY table - with the fence on the table - important -
makes registering the chisel to a layout line a bit easier than
the "bump 'n nudge" (and Curse 'N Swear) method. Also makes
it easier to set and check the fence setting.

charlie b

"charlie b" wrote in message
Having an XY table - with the fence on the table - important -
makes registering the chisel to a layout line a bit easier than
the "bump 'n nudge" (and Curse 'N Swear) method. Also makes
it easier to set and check the fence setting.

When I was searching around prior to buying a Multi-Router, I ran across
this somewhe

http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/mortiser_table.jpg

Have no idea whose it is (if anyone does, please speak up) but I thought it
might be worth doing at some point.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/29/06

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Yes I have, and I would no longer consider having a mortiser without one..
Why?

1. It makes it really, really easy to (quite literally) precisely dial in
the position of the mortise. I don't center mortises, I set them a specific
distance from the show face. I do this so that there is a consistent reveal
for things like inset rails. That also means that I only have to set the
North/South axis once. It also enables operations like chopping an oddly
sized mortise which does not match the chisel size. It's not that this can't
can't be done with a standard setup; the X/Y Vise just makes this operation
trivial.

2. With the vise that I use, 2 turns give me a little less than the bite of
a 1/4" chisel, 3 turns for the 3/8" chisel. When moving across the mortise,
I turn, turn, turn, bite.... turn, turn, turn, bite ... etc. It's fast. 4
dozen mortises times 8 bites/mortise is allottabites. It's hugely
significant.

3. The standard stock hold-down on my Delta mortising jig was darned near
impossible to set with enough pressure to hold the workpiece firmly yet
allow you to slide the workpiece (without releasing the hold down) for the
next bite. If I did get it right, the next stile so be mortised would be a
hair different in width. IME, this is a very fussy setup where thousandths
matter.

4. The standard hold-down geometry of my model (I think the newer ones are
better) limit the min and max stock width (distance along the plunge axis).
For instance I could not use the stock hold-down to place a mortise on the
broad face of a 2x4, without resorting to fussing with shims.


Regards,

Steve

wrote:

I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

Nice idea, but I have my doubts about it.

Cheap morticers are great. They cost under £100 but have lousy
hold-downs with no traverse.
Good morticers have both, but cost £500.
Mid-range morticers cost £200-300 and have single-axis traverse. IMHO,
they're not enough of an improvement over a simple one to be worth it.

I'd love a morticer with full traverse. When I can afford it, and the
space to put it, I'll get one. In the meantime though, I don't think a
200 compromise is worth it and I really don't think a bolt-on compound
vice is going to help at all. I've never had a good experience with
these vices, they're just too flimsy and rattley.

My own cunning plan involves getting a pre-war non-rotating morticer
(huge, cheap and not too hard to find) and then bolting the head of my
rotating cheapie to it. I see this as a much more practical way to get
a real morticer with traverse.

I too have been thinking about using an x-y table and vise below a plunge
router to make routed mortices. If someone has done this I would like to
chat.
Dave

It's already been done:

http://www.amazon.com/Powermatic-179...3?ie=UTF8&s=hi

There have been several folks who have given this idea a shot.

The results vary with the quality of the vise....

wrote:

I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and
putting a riser block under the pedestal.

1) I saw an article (or tip) about this in a woodworking magazine. Does
anyone know which magazine and issue this was?

2) Has anyone done this? Is there any real advantage to this setup?

Thanks.

Joel

Cheap morticers are great. They cost under £100 but have lousy
hold-downs with no traverse.
Good morticers have both, but cost £500.
Mid-range morticers cost £200-300 and have single-axis traverse. IMHO,
they're not enough of an improvement over a simple one to be worth it.

I'm not sure what units you put in the Mid-priced category: This Is
$200(US$) and has an integrated X/Y capability. As far as I know, this is
unique in this price category.

http://www.wilkemachinery.com/defaul...kudatarq=21542

I have no experience with this product... I just know that it's out there.

Stephen M wrote:
I'm not sure what units you put in the Mid-priced category: This Is
$200(US$) and has an integrated X/Y capability. As far as I know, this is
unique in this price category.
http://www.wilkemachinery.com/defaul...kudatarq=21542

Maybe unique - I've certainly not seen it before.

That's an interesting machine. If I could find it in the UK (probably
for about $350 !), I'd probably recommend it over the £100 cheapies.

I'm thinking about mounting a cross-slide vice on a mortiser and putting a riser block under the pedestal.

The article was " 3-D Mortising Upgrade ", written by David Thiel in Popular Woodworking, Issue # 143, October 2004.

Thanks to you and all the others who replied.

Joel