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O.T. Cell Phone
Joe bought his wife a cell phone for her birthday. This was her first
experience with one. Next day he called her and said "how do you like it/" "Fine", she replied, "but how did you know I was at Wal-Mart?" |
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E. Walter Le Roy wrote: Joe bought his wife a cell phone for her birthday. This was her first experience with one. Next day he called her and said "how do you like it/" "Fine", she replied, "but how did you know I was at Wal-Mart?" You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Well, the phone co's have this data laying around, what can they do to make money off it? So, they sell it to data banking outfits, who figured out even the triangulation data is good enough to tell which store a consumer is visiting, and the GPS data is good enough to tell when you are in the cosmetics aisle, and when you are in the pet food one. Then, they combine this with credit card info, and they can figure out what you bought, and when! Jon |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. Really? (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? Well, the phone co's have this data laying around, what can they do to make money off it? So, they sell it to data banking outfits, who figured out even the triangulation data is good enough to tell which store a consumer is visiting, and the GPS data is good enough to tell when you are in the cosmetics aisle, and when you are in the pet food one. I call bullshiat. I've never seen a GPS unit that works indoors. Then, they combine this with credit card info, and they can figure out what you bought, and when! mmhmm ok. I'm afraid that I'd be astonishingly uninteresting to them then. |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. Really? (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? Well, the phone co's have this data laying around, what can they do to make money off it? So, they sell it to data banking outfits, who figured out even the triangulation data is good enough to tell which store a consumer is visiting, and the GPS data is good enough to tell when you are in the cosmetics aisle, and when you are in the pet food one. I call bullshiat. I've never seen a GPS unit that works indoors. Then, they combine this with credit card info, and they can figure out what you bought, and when! mmhmm ok. I'm afraid that I'd be astonishingly uninteresting to them then. See if it works...hang around the tampoon isle and see if you get some cupons in the mail. |
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http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/f...cbccdrcrd.html Tom Gardner wrote: "Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. Really? (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? Well, the phone co's have this data laying around, what can they do to make money off it? So, they sell it to data banking outfits, who figured out even the triangulation data is good enough to tell which store a consumer is visiting, and the GPS data is good enough to tell when you are in the cosmetics aisle, and when you are in the pet food one. I call bullshiat. I've never seen a GPS unit that works indoors. Then, they combine this with credit card info, and they can figure out what you bought, and when! mmhmm ok. I'm afraid that I'd be astonishingly uninteresting to them then. See if it works...hang around the tampoon isle and see if you get some cupons in the mail. |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote: E. Walter Le Roy wrote: Joe bought his wife a cell phone for her birthday. This was her first experience with one. Next day he called her and said "how do you like it/" "Fine", she replied, "but how did you know I was at Wal-Mart?" You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Well, the phone co's have this data laying around, what can they do to make money off it? So, they sell it to data banking outfits, who figured out even the triangulation data is good enough to tell which store a consumer is visiting, and the GPS data is good enough to tell when you are in the cosmetics aisle, and when you are in the pet food one. Then, they combine this with credit card info, and they can figure out what you bought, and when! Jon I wonder what the market in older cell phones is going to be like. Mine is a Nokia 6188 dgital/analog and I have no plans to get into the new camera, MP3, internet, self fornicating models. This phone is giving excellent service on a "pay and talk" plan which includes redundant emergency road service. I don't use this much as indicated by my carryover air time of over 14 hours of local calling time. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. Really? (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? OK, there was a murder in 2004 in Des Peres, MO (less than a mile from my home) where a family member drive from NC, I think, to bump off an abusive brother in law. The abused woman had her sister buy a cell phone for her, and made the transaction as untracable as they could, paid in cash, etc. The murderer borrowed the phone to stay in touch during the operation, and left the phone on during the whole drive so he could be contacted if there was any complication to the plot. Expert testimony from the cell phone co. was presented pinpointing the location of the guy all along the travel route, and right up to the vicinity of the murder site, and then heading immediately back to NC. No authorities had any idea about the plot until days after the murder was committed. So, the tracking data for ALL phones must have been kept for months after the murder, until the authorities came with a subpoena. There have been a couple of other murder investigations where cell phone tracking info was presented, too. Jon |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. Really? (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? OK, here's a roundup of recent cases : http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/USA_v_PenRegister/ Jon |
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Jon Elson wrote: You think this is funny! For 911 response purposes, the cell phone companies are required to triangulate the location of all phones every couple of minutes from the several cell sites that can "hear" the phone, whenever it is turned on to be able to receive calls. (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) Jon My LB VX6100 has a setting where location can be continuosly enabled, or only during a 911 call. Not sure I trust it. Dave |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:01:46 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:21:38 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: (The newer phones have GPS receivers in them, and the cell sites interrogate the phones for location every couple of minutes.) The cell phone companies are required to keep this location tracking data for 7 years for law enforcement purposes. Cite, please? OK, there was a murder in 2004 in Des Peres, MO (less than a mile from my home) where a family member drive from NC, I think, to bump off an abusive brother in law. The abused woman had her sister buy a cell phone for her, and made the transaction as untracable as they could, paid in cash, etc. The murderer borrowed the phone to stay in touch during the operation, and left the phone on during the whole drive so he could be contacted if there was any complication to the plot. Expert testimony from the cell phone co. was presented pinpointing the location of the guy all along the travel route, and right up to the vicinity of the murder site, and then heading immediately back to NC. No authorities had any idea about the plot until days after the murder was committed. So, the tracking data for ALL phones must have been kept for months after the murder, until the authorities came with a subpoena. OK, but I don't see anything about keeping it "for 7 years for law enforcement purposes". I can see logfiles being kept for a while regarding which nodes are in which cells, and if you have a map with the cells overlaid on it, you can "track" someone from that, sure. There have been a couple of other murder investigations where cell phone tracking info was presented, too. I was hoping for something about a 7 year mandate. Google doesn't seem to help, and it doesn't sound logical. |
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"I was hoping for something about a 7 year mandate. Google doesn't
seem to help, and it doesn't sound logical. " This could be in the CALEA legislation- Dave |
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In article %nJ5g.11440$t_2.8180@trnddc07,
"E. Walter Le Roy" wrote: Joe bought his wife a cell phone for her birthday. This was her first experience with one. Next day he called her and said "how do you like it/" "Fine", she replied, "but how did you know I was at Wal-Mart?" I heard they found OJ Simpson by his cell phone. Apparently cell phones communicate every few seconds with the network, even when just in the on/standby mode, so the network always knows which cell site the phone is closest too. They saw his phone moving from cell site to cell site located along a freeway, giving john law a good general area to focus on.... Erik |
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 09:33:00 GMT, Erik wrote:
In article %nJ5g.11440$t_2.8180@trnddc07, I heard they found OJ Simpson by his cell phone. Apparently cell phones communicate every few seconds with the network, even when just in the on/standby mode, so the network always knows which cell site the phone is closest too. They saw his phone moving from cell site to cell site located along a freeway, giving john law a good general area to focus on.... Sure, but I'm still not buying the claim that every cellphone is tracked all the time and the records are kept 7 years. The volume of data would be immense, and pretty pointless. The expansion of "and the data is then sold to advertisers" just smells a bit too much like tinfoil-hat type material. |
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Dave sez:: " Sure, but I'm still not buying the claim that every cellphone
is tracked all the time and the records are kept 7 years. The volume of data would be immense, and pretty pointless. The expansion of "and the data is then sold to advertisers" just smells a bit too much like tinfoil-hat type material." "Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 May 2006 09:33:00 GMT, Erik wrote: In article %nJ5g.11440$t_2.8180@trnddc07, I heard they found OJ Simpson by his cell phone. Apparently cell phones communicate every few seconds with the network, even when just in the on/standby mode, so the network always knows which cell site the phone is closest too. They saw his phone moving from cell site to cell site located along a freeway, giving john law a good general area to focus on.... |
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