OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet)

After one week put the battery back in. Phone beeped and charged right up.
Phone worked fine.

This week, battery won't charge. Pulled battery.. no corrosion that I can
see. Crap.. and a business trip coming up. Need a cell phone

Cingular says buy a new phone (at full retail of course.) Not very helpful
at all.

Any ideas on what to do/check/.... or any phone repair places? Why would
it stop working after 2 months of really faultless operation?

I am willing to take it apart to see the circuit board... any tips? (No big
deal if I screw up.. I still need a new phone...)

Thanks...

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:52:48 -0600, "Steve Koschmann"
wrote:

OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet)

After one week put the battery back in. Phone beeped and charged right up.
Phone worked fine.

This week, battery won't charge. Pulled battery.. no corrosion that I can
see. Crap.. and a business trip coming up. Need a cell phone

Cingular says buy a new phone (at full retail of course.) Not very helpful
at all.

Any ideas on what to do/check/.... or any phone repair places? Why would
it stop working after 2 months of really faultless operation?

I am willing to take it apart to see the circuit board... any tips? (No big
deal if I screw up.. I still need a new phone...)

Thanks...



Does your phone use a SIM chip? If so...you can buy phones on Ebay
for dirt cheap, stick in the SIM chip and toss the one you have in the
dumpster.

I buy all my cell phones on ebay. Mine dont use the SIM chip as they
are an older style...but when one goes into the coolant tank, or slams
into the floor from the scaffolding...I simply go out to the truck,
grab another one from my brief case (pre programmed with all my
essential phone numbers via computer download cable), call Nextels 800
number, give em the EIN number and within 5 minutes the new phone is
online.
Free.

I standardized on one phone, as all my accessories fit each one, along
with my hardwired car kit with the speakerphone, data cable and so
forth. Its nice to be able to fax from the truck.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nextel-MOTOROLA-I700-plus-YELLOW-BLACK-MODEL_W0QQitemZ5807910977QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/MOTOROLA-NEXTEL-i500-i550-plus-i700-plus-car-kit_W0QQitemZ5808523839QQcategoryZ35190QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Go to ebay, and enter your phone model number...

http://cell-phones.search.ebay.com/c...QsacatZ6 4355

Oh..always carry a spare battery (ebay..dirt cheap) as they tend to
fail suddenly. In your case..its likely what happened.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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"Steve Koschmann" wrote:

OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet).......

I can only relate my experience with a (film) camera. It got a major
soaking in salt water (enough that Kodak bitched about the salt content
of the film!). I dumped the batteries (disposable) and headed for shore
and rinsed the camera with fresh water after remooving the film. Then I
took a short flight to work where I had LOTS of demineralized water and
a vacuum chamber; I flushed generously with the DW and put into the
vacuum chanber to dry. The camera worked fine for years until one day I
used the (mechanical) self-timer and that locked everything up.

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

Steve, it may be worth replacing the battery to see what happens. Our
cordless goes through batteries a little more often than once a year,
enough to make me wonder if they deliberately overcharge to sell batteries.

I've had good luck with both of these places, bought lots of
rechargeable batteries from both:
http://www.batteriesamerica.com/
http://www.nicdlady.com/
They're good for batteries for your drill too.

Steve

Steve Koschmann wrote:

OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet)

After one week put the battery back in. Phone beeped and charged right up.
Phone worked fine.

This week, battery won't charge. Pulled battery.. no corrosion that I can
see. Crap.. and a business trip coming up. Need a cell phone

Cingular says buy a new phone (at full retail of course.) Not very helpful
at all.

Any ideas on what to do/check/.... or any phone repair places? Why would
it stop working after 2 months of really faultless operation?

I am willing to take it apart to see the circuit board... any tips? (No big
deal if I screw up.. I still need a new phone...)

Thanks...

What brand? The newer Motorolas that use a charging plug that looks kind of
like a fork on the end are notorious for having solder connections pull
loose inside. We've had it happen on a couple.

Or, does it use a different plug for a car charger vs. a home charger? If
so you can try the other to see if it makes a difference and that will tell
if it's a problem with the connector.

If you're using a car charger, check its fuse. All the one's I've seen have
them.

But since it got wet but worked once afterwards my best guess is the battery
has packed it in.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"


"Steve Koschmann" wrote in message
. ..
OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid
move, but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by
the phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the
phone gets wet)

After one week put the battery back in. Phone beeped and charged right
up. Phone worked fine.

This week, battery won't charge. Pulled battery.. no corrosion that I can
see. Crap.. and a business trip coming up. Need a cell phone

Cingular says buy a new phone (at full retail of course.) Not very
helpful at all.

Any ideas on what to do/check/.... or any phone repair places? Why would
it stop working after 2 months of really faultless operation?

I am willing to take it apart to see the circuit board... any tips? (No
big deal if I screw up.. I still need a new phone...)

Thanks...

Steve Koschmann wrote:
OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet)

Somehow my ethics take a short vacation when dealing with such large
corporations as telephone companies. Would some white-out correct your
red dot problem?

On 17 Sep 2005 07:22:12 -0700, the renowned wrote:


Steve Koschmann wrote:
OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid move,
but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by the
phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the phone
gets wet)

Somehow my ethics take a short vacation when dealing with such large
corporations as telephone companies. Would some white-out correct your
red dot problem?

Never heard of these dots. Any idea where they come from? Sounds like
the OP did the right thing, assuming the battery was pulled out
immediately.

Could there be another battery inside? Or water trapped inside? If you
take it apart, look for white (or sometimes black) deposits along
traces. Clean the board with a mild solvent and a toothbrush if you
see anything that looks like that. The traces could be eaten away if
power was available for long. If you have a vacuum chamber, you could
try drying it out that way.

I once told the engineer at a big foodservice equipment manufacturer
that his current supplier was putting one-shot temperature stickers in
the product to see if the max ambient was exceeded for even a moment
(so they could void the warranty). They were all ****ed and called a
big meeting to deal with it. ;-) There was quite a few $millions
involved and the biggest fast-food customer around.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Never heard of these dots. Any idea where they come from? Sounds like
the OP did the right thing, assuming the battery was pulled out
immediately.

I think I saw those water damage dots in the Digikey catalog.

Lance

THANKS for all suggestions... I will try a new battery from ebay /// if that
doesn't work, try to buy a new/used phone on ebay. My phone is/was a
Motorola V220 and it does use SIM card. I can pull the card and get back
into sevices.

As for the white "moisture" dots... THANKS for the link on replacement dots.
I will check it out further. Most newer phone have these dots somewhere
inside the phone according to the rep at Cingular; they are specifically
used to determine if the phone got wet.

Steve

"Steve Koschmann" wrote in message
. ..
OK... not really on metalworking (metal content lithium ion battery???)...
but this group has so much technical info... just looking for ideas..

2 months ago, I dropped my 3 month new cell phone in the pool. Stupid
move, but hey s##t happens. Obviously phone was soaked.

Grabbed it out, pulled the battery out, let phone dry for a week. White
colored " tell-tale dot" inside phone is now red.. (this dot is used by
the phone companies to determine whether or not to honor warranties if the
phone gets wet)

After one week put the battery back in. Phone beeped and charged right
up. Phone worked fine.

This week, battery won't charge. Pulled battery.. no corrosion that I can
see. Crap.. and a business trip coming up. Need a cell phone

Cingular says buy a new phone (at full retail of course.) Not very
helpful at all.

Any ideas on what to do/check/.... or any phone repair places? Why would
it stop working after 2 months of really faultless operation?

I am willing to take it apart to see the circuit board... any tips? (No
big deal if I screw up.. I still need a new phone...)

Thanks...

"Steve Koschmann" wrote in message
...
| THANKS for all suggestions... I will try a new battery from ebay /// if
that
| doesn't work, try to buy a new/used phone on ebay. My phone is/was a
| Motorola V220 and it does use SIM card. I can pull the card and get back
| into sevices.
|
| As for the white "moisture" dots... THANKS for the link on replacement
dots.
| I will check it out further. Most newer phone have these dots somewhere
| inside the phone according to the rep at Cingular; they are specifically
| used to determine if the phone got wet.
|
| Steve

I had a warranty on my phone about breakage and all that. Broke it,
called folks all over and had to pay fifty bucks deductible for a phone that
supposedly cost over two hundred. Waited a few days, too. I got the old
phone I had and decided to put it into service. I missed the bells and
whistles of the new phone, but the old phone was far more durable and fit
better in my hand. Sigh. Next time I can get one on ebay for way less in
less time. I have a LG phone with Verizon. The Motorola black flip was
awesome about taking a beating, but the antenna tended not to last very
long. I won't do that again. Come to think of it, I think I'll buy a
better phone next time!

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:15:03 GMT, the renowned "carl mciver"
wrote:

I had a warranty on my phone about breakage and all that. Broke it,
called folks all over and had to pay fifty bucks deductible for a phone that
supposedly cost over two hundred. Waited a few days, too. I got the old
phone I had and decided to put it into service. I missed the bells and
whistles of the new phone, but the old phone was far more durable and fit
better in my hand. Sigh. Next time I can get one on ebay for way less in
less time. I have a LG phone with Verizon. The Motorola black flip was
awesome about taking a beating, but the antenna tended not to last very
long. I won't do that again. Come to think of it, I think I'll buy a
better phone next time!

If you buy a phone on eBay or otherwise used, make sure it's SP
unlocked, otherwise the SIM card won't work. Most of the dealers will
do this as part of the selling price, but individuals may not have the
equipment or knowledge, and it's possible to damage the phone trying.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com