Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

To The Group wrote:

Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.
its been a while since i had mine refilled, but most importantly is how
old are the bottles... they told me that mine was out of date and had to
be reinspected and charged me about $20 more for it and that was like 15
yrs. ago... dont know what they charge now.. thats at one of those bring
in the old and get the filled bottle places that also sell welding
supplies.. give them a call and tell them the size of the tank..if you
dont know the size then give them the measurements of the tank and they
will know what size it is.............

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:19:19 GMT, To The Group wrote:

Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

Last time I did them both..it was something along the lines of $36 for
the pair.

Gunner

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To The Group wrote in news:030220040018300803%
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Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

Refills are cheap, the cost is in the inital set-up. I suggest leasing the
bottles instead of buying. If you lease, you will not have to pay to have
the tank replaced when the date expires, and you just exchange the bottles
at refill time. The lease was either 4 or 5 years, can't remember, but IIRC
it was $175 for a mid-sized bottle (~4 ft tall) the last time I renewed the
lease.



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To The Group wrote...
Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

Just refilled mine last week, the ~140 cu ft size (or is it 120??), in
Tucson, AZ. Cost sixty-something bucks for the pair.

Jim

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:19:19 GMT, To The Group wrote:


Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.


Last time I did them both..it was something along the lines of $36 for
the pair.

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

Mine are $34 the pair in North Louisiana...

Bob

First of all, you need to understand what size the bottles come in:

Welding Cylinder Data

OXYGEN
Capacity Height Diameter
K 251 51" 9"
S 156 46" 7-3/8"
M 125 47" 7"
Q 92 30" 7-1/8"

ACETYLENE
#5 350 45" 12"
#4 150 38" 8"
#3 75 29" 7"

I believe that all of these sizes are used in home shops.

Now, to answer your question. In my area the prices for welding gasses vary
buy over 50% within a 20 mile radius, so if your money is worth more than your
time, it pays to shop around and drive for it. The last time I refilled I did
it at the close place, NOT the cheap place, and I paid:

(oxygen) M size: $23.73 ;; (acetylene) #3 size: $38.91

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

To The Group wrote:
Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

I don't think there is a standard size. My "Q" oxygen tank costs $9.95, "B"
acetylene costs $12.75. Both are small tanks. I have a larger actylene tank
that I haven't refilled yet. These are owner tanks.
By the way, does anybody have a link to a tank size chart. I don't even know
exactly how much the "Q" tank holds. 60cf maybe?
Gary Brady
Austin, TX

Grant Erwin wrote...
Welding Cylinder Data

OXYGEN
Capacity Height Diameter
K 251 51" 9"
S 156 46" 7-3/8"
M 125 47" 7"
Q 92 30" 7-1/8"

ACETYLENE
#5 350 45" 12"
#4 150 38" 8"
#3 75 29" 7"


Thanks, Grant. Mine are S and #4; the cost for refilling (exchanging)
them both was $69 last week.

Jim
Tucson, AZ

--Last time I went in for an argon fill it cost $1.- per square
foot. That's one of the little 3ft high bottles.

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Grant Erwin wrote:

First of all, you need to understand what size the bottles come in:

Good stuff snipped for brevity

(oxygen) M size: $23.73 ;; (acetylene) #3 size: $38.91

Well thanks to everyone for taking the time to provide such varied and
informed information to an armchair lurker like me.

Don't know how long a tank of gas would last and I appreciate that for
some it will last for years of occaisional use..... but I was surprised
at the prices. Somewhere in my feeble mind I presumed that a recharge
would have been a lot more.... like over a hundred buckies.

Thanks again for your time and responses.

I checked at work and we pay $7.80 for a K bottle, 251 cu ft., delivered. We
use about 2 bottles a month for brazing/silver soldering. For gas we use
Propane from a bulk tank, along with a fluxpot.

RJ

"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
...
First of all, you need to understand what size the bottles come in:

Welding Cylinder Data

OXYGEN
Capacity Height Diameter
K 251 51" 9"
S 156 46" 7-3/8"
M 125 47" 7"
Q 92 30" 7-1/8"

ACETYLENE
#5 350 45" 12"
#4 150 38" 8"
#3 75 29" 7"

I believe that all of these sizes are used in home shops.

Now, to answer your question. In my area the prices for welding gasses
vary
buy over 50% within a 20 mile radius, so if your money is worth more than
your
time, it pays to shop around and drive for it. The last time I refilled I
did
it at the close place, NOT the cheap place, and I paid:

(oxygen) M size: $23.73 ;; (acetylene) #3 size: $38.91

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

To The Group wrote:
Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

Steamer, square foot, or cubic foot?

RJ

"steamer" wrote in message
...
--Last time I went in for an argon fill it cost $1.- per square
foot. That's one of the little 3ft high bottles.

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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Fruit flies like a banana...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:51:33 -0800, Grant Erwin
wrote:
To The Group wrote:

Just a curious question for the group.

Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
shops and garages what does a refil cost.

First of all, you need to understand what size the bottles come in:

Welding Cylinder Data


OXYGEN
Capacity Height Diameter Connection
K 244-251 51" 9" CGA-540
S 156 46" 7-3/8" CGA-540
M 125 47" 7" CGA-540
Q 92 30" 7-1/8" CGA-540
40 28" 6-3/4" CGA-540

ACETYLENE
#5 350 45" 12" CGA-510
#4 150 38" 8" CGA-510
#3 75 29" 7" CGA-510
60 CGA-510
B 35-40 24 6-1/4" Non-std CGA-520
MC 8-10 Non-std CGA-200

The charts I have say a "B" is 40CF, but the sticker on the bottle
says 35CF. Same with MC. Don't ask me why.

I believe that all of these sizes are used in home shops.

It all depends on what you're *doing* in your home shop - I don't
use my small cylinders too much, and there are some people doing
heavy-duty car restoration or blacksmithing who could have several
sets of the largest bottles (even the multiple manifolded bottles on a
cart) delivered weekly... ;-)

The MC stands for Motor Car, and was the replacement for carbide
generators for the headlights on Model T's and other turn-of-the-
last-century automobiles. Used now mainly for the "Tote-a-torch"
oxy-acetylene rigs for HVAC silver-brazing and other tiny jobs in
crawl spaces, attics, or on roofs, where portability is the prime
consideration - you can't cut or do heavy welding, the cylinders will
run dry if you look at them cross-eyed. (Plus you should only draw
1.1 CFH max, and that means 000 or 00 tips only, 0 is pushing it.)

The B is the standard Plumber's Torch - Prestolite Air/Acetylene
bottle. I have a B and 40CF setup myself - but with the big Victor
Journeyman regulators and torches (and small tips), so if I ever need
to rent a set of big tanks for a big job, I can.

Two of each, so I have full spares to make an end run around
Murphy's Law of Welding: Your last tank will run dry Saturday at 1:05
PM, the Welding Supply closed at 1:00, and Monday is a Holiday.

Now, to answer your question. In my area the prices for welding gasses vary
buy over 50% within a 20 mile radius, so if your money is worth more than your
time, it pays to shop around and drive for it. The last time I refilled I did
it at the close place, NOT the cheap place, and I paid:

(oxygen) M size: $23.73 ;; (acetylene) #3 size: $38.91
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

Acetylene B $24.61 + $2.45 "Hazardous Materials Charge" (for exchange
cylinder inspection and misc cost recovery). Oxygen 40CF - $13.32

A lot of what you are paying for is the labor and handling of the
tanks, for both the filling and the periodic inspections and
hydro-testing. A little towards the occasional bad tank that needs to
be scrapped & replaced with a new one in the exchange pool. And a big
chunk for their liability insurance.

The gas itself is cheap. The other costs vary by supplier.

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In article , Bruce L. Bergman
says...

The MC stands for Motor Car, and was the replacement for carbide
generators for the headlights on Model T's and other turn-of-the-
last-century automobiles. Used now mainly for the "Tote-a-torch"
oxy-acetylene rigs for HVAC silver-brazing and other tiny jobs in
crawl spaces, attics, or on roofs, where portability is the prime
consideration - you can't cut or do heavy welding, the cylinders will
run dry if you look at them cross-eyed. (Plus you should only draw
1.1 CFH max, and that means 000 or 00 tips only, 0 is pushing it.)

The B is the standard Plumber's Torch - Prestolite Air/Acetylene
bottle. I have a B and 40CF setup myself - but with the big Victor
Journeyman regulators and torches (and small tips), so if I ever need
to rent a set of big tanks for a big job, I can.

Close but not quite correct. MC actually stands for
"motorcycle" and if you have ever seen or ridden a bike
where you 'turn on the headlight with a match' then you
would know that a) it really is an MC bottle up on the
handlebars there, and b) the blanked off port at the
bottom of the bottle is for a pressure gage.

The B size is also known as 'prestolite' because they
were the ones who supplied acetylene for motorcar use.
The bottles were mounted horizontally on the running
board - and how was it that the acetone was not
blown out of the tank? Simple, on those tanks the
cylinder connection was not at the center of the bottle,
but way off at one side. The bottle was mounted so the
fitting was at the very top - one can still find
some of these B sized bottles in circulation with
off-center fittings.

Jim

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:41:45 GMT, Anthony
wrote:

===To The Group wrote in news:030220040018300803%
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===
=== Just a curious question for the group.
===
=== Using the standard size bottles for acetylene and oxygen found in most
=== shops and garages what does a refil cost.
===
===Refills are cheap, the cost is in the inital set-up. I suggest leasing the
===bottles instead of buying. If you lease, you will not have to pay to have
===the tank replaced when the date expires, and you just exchange the bottles
===at refill time. The lease was either 4 or 5 years, can't remember, but IIRC
===it was $175 for a mid-sized bottle (~4 ft tall) the last time I renewed the
===lease.
A lease on either O2 or Acetylene or any other cylinder in the largest
size in this area is $60.00 a year with a minimum contract of 3 years
needed.
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