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A little something for the Brainiacs...
According to Ned Simmons :
In article rs.com, says... I lived in a rooming house not too long a walk from the main plant there. One evening, I decided that I wanted a Coke, and as there were no private refrigerators in the rooms, I walked about a block and a quarter to a filling station with an outdoors soda vending machine. The Jenney station on the corner of Albion Street and North Avenue? That sounds about right. I did not drive at the time, so I did not pay attention to what flavor of gas they sold. But certainly Albion street sounds familiar. That was the one which was parallel to the B&M commuter railroad tracks? The rooming house was owned by a couple, the man of which was also a jeweler (watch sales and repair). Nice people. I think that the name was Tasker, but that has been over forty years now, so I could well be mis-remembering. My father always bought gas there when I was a kid. When I was born, my parents were living on Walnut St., just a few blocks from Transitron, but before there was a Transitron. O.K. My uncle, a chemist, worked there for a while, probably around 1960-62. Hmm ... that might have overlapped when I was there. Is there still a Transitron? No -- a bit of Googling suggests that it folded in 1986. Sigh! Somewhere, I still have a Transitron manual of data sheets for their products as of about 1961. Bright orange jacket for the 3-ring binder. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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In article , Carla Fong
writes Leo Lichtman wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: Neat -- but I prefer having a real one in my hands. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Me too. I collect sliderules, but mine are not as funny as this. What's really fun with a slide rule nowadays is demonstrating one to a youngster who only knows 'calculator math'. They think it's some sort of 'black magic'. Can I just piggyback on this thread to (hopefully) answer a question? I've got a slide rule that I acquired many years ago. It's a bit odd, though (I think). It has scales marked in KW, HP and Amps. It also has one scale with a marking at the end "10Yd.10000 circ. mil.". It's marked "Made in Bavaria" Ring any bells with anyone? -- Nigel When the only tools you have are a Bridgeport, a CNC Taig Mill, a Colchester and assorted other stuff, every problem looks like a steam engine. |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to Jeff Wisnia: DoN. Nichols wrote: Was this at MIT, by any chance? Guilty as charged, Don. But I'm suprised you didn't figger that out from my sig line. G I did -- but I had to ask, anyway, just to get the conversation started. :-) MIT? Wow, you guys are, like, mega-geeks. By comparison, I'm only a wanna-be geek. Were you guys members of the (in)famous Model Railroad Club? Did Levy's _Hackers_ bring back any memories? R, Tom Q. -- Remove bogusinfo to reply. |
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According to Tom Quackenbush :
DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Jeff Wisnia: DoN. Nichols wrote: Was this at MIT, by any chance? Guilty as charged, Don. But I'm suprised you didn't figger that out from my sig line. G I did -- but I had to ask, anyway, just to get the conversation started. :-) MIT? Wow, you guys are, like, mega-geeks. By comparison, I'm only a wanna-be geek. Were you guys members of the (in)famous Model Railroad Club? Did Levy's _Hackers_ bring back any memories? I've visited it, but I had not gotten around to joining before flunking out. My time there was just before the period covered by the book, so I just missed it. If I had not flunked out, I probably would have been in the middle of it. And Jeff graduated before I got there, so he probably missed all of it -- except for earlier parts of the TMRC. Also -- I was able to correct two items in time for inclusion in the first edition of _The New Hacker's Dictionary_. After flunking it, it was some years before I got within reach of a computer which I could use -- starting with the HP 9200B (sort of an HP pocket calculator before they managed to shrink it enough to fit in the pocket, but it was programmable. This one was at work. Later, I got to play with the CDC 6600 and successors -- both in batch mode and interactive via a dial-up terminal. My first computer at home was a MITS Altair 680b, which I still have. (Not the 8080-based 8800, but the 6800 based 680b.) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"Nigel Eaton" wrote in message ... In article , Carla Fong writes Leo Lichtman wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: Neat -- but I prefer having a real one in my hands. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Me too. I collect sliderules, but mine are not as funny as this. What's really fun with a slide rule nowadays is demonstrating one to a youngster who only knows 'calculator math'. They think it's some sort of 'black magic'. Can I just piggyback on this thread to (hopefully) answer a question? I've got a slide rule that I acquired many years ago. It's a bit odd, though (I think). It has scales marked in KW, HP and Amps. It also has one scale with a marking at the end "10Yd.10000 circ. mil.". It's marked "Made in Bavaria" Ring any bells with anyone? Not specifically, but it sounds like one of those slide-rule type calculators that were produced as give-aways by various companies. They've been designed for all sorts of specific tasks. In your case it sounds like it was made for some sort of electrical calculations, and I've seen the same sort of thing for machining operations (speeds & feeds for various materials & diameters), hydraulic flow, and all manner of other engineering applications. Every once in a while I pick up a batch of them on Ebay. My favorite is a Pratt & Whitney Gas Turbine "Computer", which is of the circular style but my most used is one by Holo-Krome that shows dimensional data for various fasteners. That one comes in quite handy when designing various projects. Does yours have a company name on it? Mike |
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In article , Mike Henry
writes "Nigel Eaton" wrote in message ... In article , Carla Fong writes Leo Lichtman wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: Neat -- but I prefer having a real one in my hands. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Me too. I collect sliderules, but mine are not as funny as this. What's really fun with a slide rule nowadays is demonstrating one to a youngster who only knows 'calculator math'. They think it's some sort of 'black magic'. Can I just piggyback on this thread to (hopefully) answer a question? I've got a slide rule that I acquired many years ago. It's a bit odd, though (I think). It has scales marked in KW, HP and Amps. It also has one scale with a marking at the end "10Yd.10000 circ. mil.". It's marked "Made in Bavaria" Ring any bells with anyone? Not specifically, but it sounds like one of those slide-rule type calculators that were produced as give-aways by various companies. They've been designed for all sorts of specific tasks. In your case it sounds like it was made for some sort of electrical calculations, and I've seen the same sort of thing for machining operations (speeds & feeds for various materials & diameters), hydraulic flow, and all manner of other engineering applications. Every once in a while I pick up a batch of them on Ebay. My favorite is a Pratt & Whitney Gas Turbine "Computer", which is of the circular style but my most used is one by Holo-Krome that shows dimensional data for various fasteners. That one comes in quite handy when designing various projects. Does yours have a company name on it? No, just the maker's name (Faber) and "Castell". I've been Googling and found this: http://www.sliderules.clara.net/a-to...electrical.htm Which suggests it's a Faber Castell 1/98 "Elektro". I must read up a little more and have a play with it. -- Nigel When the only tools you have are a Bridgeport, a CNC Taig Mill, a Colchester and assorted other stuff, every problem looks like a steam engine. |
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"Nigel Eaton" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Henry writes "Nigel Eaton" wrote in message ... In article , Carla Fong writes Leo Lichtman wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: Neat -- but I prefer having a real one in my hands. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Me too. I collect sliderules, but mine are not as funny as this. What's really fun with a slide rule nowadays is demonstrating one to a youngster who only knows 'calculator math'. They think it's some sort of 'black magic'. Can I just piggyback on this thread to (hopefully) answer a question? I've got a slide rule that I acquired many years ago. It's a bit odd, though (I think). It has scales marked in KW, HP and Amps. It also has one scale with a marking at the end "10Yd.10000 circ. mil.". It's marked "Made in Bavaria" Ring any bells with anyone? Not specifically, but it sounds like one of those slide-rule type calculators that were produced as give-aways by various companies. They've been designed for all sorts of specific tasks. In your case it sounds like it was made for some sort of electrical calculations, and I've seen the same sort of thing for machining operations (speeds & feeds for various materials & diameters), hydraulic flow, and all manner of other engineering applications. Every once in a while I pick up a batch of them on Ebay. My favorite is a Pratt & Whitney Gas Turbine "Computer", which is of the circular style but my most used is one by Holo-Krome that shows dimensional data for various fasteners. That one comes in quite handy when designing various projects. Does yours have a company name on it? No, just the maker's name (Faber) and "Castell". I've been Googling and found this: http://www.sliderules.clara.net/a-to...electrical.htm Which suggests it's a Faber Castell 1/98 "Elektro". I must read up a little more and have a play with it. Ooh - that's much better than the cheap cardboard or plastic ones I've seen. Have fun with it. |
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A little something for the Brainiacs...
According to Ned Simmons :
In article rs.com, says... According to Ned Simmons : [ ... ] The Jenney station on the corner of Albion Street and North Avenue? That sounds about right. I did not drive at the time, so I did not pay attention to what flavor of gas they sold. But certainly Albion street sounds familiar. That was the one which was parallel to the B&M commuter railroad tracks? North Ave parallels the tracks, Albion Street crosses the tracks and ran between Transitron and the RR station. The gas station I'm thinking of was on the corner diagonal from Transitron. There was a good, old fashioned hobby shop on Albion a few doors up from the gas station. Armstrong's I think? Hmm ... it has been a *long* time, and I don't have a map of the area handy. The walk from the rooming house to the filling station passed a hardware store and a drugstore. All were on one side of the street, with nothing on the other side but railroad tracks and station. I remember that I had to explain to any drugstore in the Boston area what I expected when I asked for a "chocolate sundae". Anywhere from Arizona through South Texas (where I grew up), and up through Northern Virginia, it always meant the same thing -- vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup, whipped cream, and a maraschino cherry on top. Up in the Boston area, every place had their own idea, with the most extreme being: Chocolate ice cream, hot chocolate fudge, melted marshmallows, and cracked nuts sprinkled on top just before everything set up into concrete. :-) The rooming house was owned by a couple, the man of which was also a jeweler (watch sales and repair). Nice people. I think that the name was Tasker, but that has been over forty years now, so I could well be mis-remembering. That sounds familiar. Unless you've just planted a memory g. I'll try to remember to ask my father. O.K. Thanks. My uncle, a chemist, worked there for a while, probably around 1960-62. Hmm ... that might have overlapped when I was there. His name was Ed Kent, he would have been in his late twenties, out of the service after graduating from Bates. O.K. I don't think that I ever met him -- though there were some who I never knew names for -- especially the ones who dropped into the test equipment repair place to borrow something or other. [ ... ] I have some old semis in Transitron packages around someplace that I've held on to for nostalgia's sake. Any "binistors"? (Numbers like 3N35, IIRC.) It was a bistable device which they discovered by an accidental mis-bond. Four leads, and it could be turned on by pulsing one lead, and off by pulsing another. They had memory functions in mind when they discovered it, though I have no idea whether they actually sold any. Another thing I had more direct experience with was the "ref-amp". A temperature compensated zener and a transistor in an epoxy package, used as the heart of a voltage regulator. The temperature compensation was done by using "stabistors" in series. Forward biased diodes with a temperature curve the inverse of the zener's. The parts were selected by measuring voltage at a given current at -50C, +50C and +150C (in silicone oil baths), and then computer matching them. We got a small batch back from a customer with the complaint that they were out of spec at some points in the range, though not at the three test temperatures. So -- I was given the task of running each one, individually, from -60C to +160C, and taking readings every 10 degrees. Well, at -60, the high-temperature silicone oil turned into a grease, so there was no convection, and at +160C, the low-temperature oil started to boil, so the solution was to mix some of each to cover the range. This was fine for a while, listening to the ticking and "braap"ing of the Non Linear Systems digital voltmeters (edge illuminated digits engraved in thin Lucite, and stepper switches doing all the selecting of a Kelvin-Varley voltage divider). But, one of the others dumped in the dry ice to start the cool-down for the next run a little too soon, and the bubbling of the CO2 in the oil gave it more surface area to evaporate, causing a white cloud of silicone oil vapor to curl over the lip of the beaker, down the sides, and into the still-hot coils of the hotplate. That was when I discovered that silicone oil can burn. :-) The CO2 fire extinguisher put it out quickly enough, but there was a very fine sand all over everything from the burning of the silicone oil. That room also had a small South Bend lathe in it -- the first time I ever got my hands on such a machine tool, to get a little metalworking into this. :-) I think that it was a 9", but it may have even been smaller. And yes, I did make something on it -- unofficially. An anvil for staking forked solder terminals into circuit boards. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote: (clip) I remember that I had to explain to any drugstore in the Boston area what I expected when I asked for a "chocolate sundae". (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You should have seen the look I got when I tried to order (in Boston) coffee and a snail. I changed the order to "sweet roll." Then there was the time, on Oregon, when I ordered a large coke. Sodajerk: "We don't have large cokes. We just have Cokes." So I said, "Well, just give me two Cokes, then." And as an afterthought, I said, "Could you put them in one glass?" He did. |
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote: (clip) I remember that I had to explain to any drugstore in the Boston area what I expected when I asked for a "chocolate sundae". (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You should have seen the look I got when I tried to order (in Boston) coffee and a snail. I changed the order to "sweet roll." Then there was the time, on Oregon, when I ordered a large coke. Sodajerk: "We don't have large cokes. We just have Cokes." So I said, "Well, just give me two Cokes, then." And as an afterthought, I said, "Could you put them in one glass?" He did. All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) ...lew... ( Pennsylvania resident at the time) |
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According to Lew Hartswick :
Leo Lichtman wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote: (clip) I remember that I had to explain to any drugstore in the Boston area what I expected when I asked for a "chocolate sundae". (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You should have seen the look I got when I tried to order (in Boston) coffee and a snail. I changed the order to "sweet roll." Then there was the time, on Oregon, when I ordered a large coke. Sodajerk: "We don't have large cokes. We just have Cokes." So I said, "Well, just give me two Cokes, then." And as an afterthought, I said, "Could you put them in one glass?" He did. All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) I think that they wanted to hear "frappe". :-) And how about the difference in the hot dog buns? New England is the only place I've seen where they are designed to split down the center of the top of the bun, instead of along the side. Enjoy, DoN -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to Lew Hartswick : All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) I think that they wanted to hear "frappe". :-) And how about the difference in the hot dog buns? New England is the only place I've seen where they are designed to split down the center of the top of the bun, instead of along the side. Enjoy, DoN Yea, that was the word. Wonder where it came from? Don't remember the hot dog buns, guess I was always more into hamburgers. ...lew... |
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According to Lew Hartswick :
DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Lew Hartswick : All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) I think that they wanted to hear "frappe". :-) Yea, that was the word. Wonder where it came from? Well ... my wife has found that it originated in Old French (with an accent over the 'e'), and it originally meant something like "to strike". :-) And how about the difference in the hot dog buns? New England is the only place I've seen where they are designed to split down the center of the top of the bun, instead of along the side. [ ... ] Don't remember the hot dog buns, guess I was always more into hamburgers. I got both at cook-outs there, so I saw enough of them. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:04:55 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote: DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Lew Hartswick : All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) I think that they wanted to hear "frappe". :-) And how about the difference in the hot dog buns? New England is the only place I've seen where they are designed to split down the center of the top of the bun, instead of along the side. Enjoy, DoN Yea, that was the word. Wonder where it came from? Don't remember the hot dog buns, guess I was always more into hamburgers. ...lew... IIRC those top cut buns spread north into Atlantic Canada, hafta check that this summer when I visit the Right side. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
And Jeff graduated before I got there, so he probably missed all of it -- except for earlier parts of the TMRC. Also -- I was able to correct two items in time for inclusion in the first edition of _The New Hacker's Dictionary_. After flunking it, it was some years before I got within reach of a computer which I could use -- starting with the HP 9200B (sort of an HP pocket calculator before they managed to shrink it enough to fit in the pocket, but it was programmable. This one was at work. Later, I got to play with the CDC 6600 and successors -- both in batch mode and interactive via a dial-up terminal. My first computer at home was a MITS Altair 680b, which I still have. (Not the 8080-based 8800, but the 6800 based 680b.) Well, "MY" first computer was "Whirlwind" which was being built by MIT for the gummint while I was a student there. I had a part time job working there nites as "Jeff the human time-temperature profile controller" for the bake-out ovens they used when making those infamous large "Charactron" CRTs which gave that computer it's real time output display. I had to keep checking the temperatures in those ovens and adjusting the thermostats to make their temperatures followed whatever profile the gurus wanted. The computer itself contained a huge number of vacuum tube flip flops plus magnetic core memory, and used those Charactron CRTs for output display, sometimes with motorized 35mm cameras snapping photos for "printouts". Took up a huge amount of space and kilowatts, and prolly had 1/100th the computing power of your Altair. http://www.mit.edu/people/menchu/gal...cience/18.html (Images 8 through 11.) For those wondering WTF a Charactron CRT was: http://www.worldpowersystems.com/pro...ron/index.html Thanks for the mammaries, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented." |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:51:13 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote: On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:04:55 GMT, Lew Hartswick wrote: DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Lew Hartswick : All this "new England" talk brings to mind the problem with a "milk shake" in Manchester NH in 1951. :-) :-) I think that they wanted to hear "frappe". :-) And how about the difference in the hot dog buns? New England is the only place I've seen where they are designed to split down the center of the top of the bun, instead of along the side. Enjoy, DoN Yea, that was the word. Wonder where it came from? Don't remember the hot dog buns, guess I was always more into hamburgers. ...lew... IIRC those top cut buns spread north into Atlantic Canada, hafta check that this summer when I visit the Right side. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Yup, we got'em. Can't stand the things myself but the wife loves them. Guess who does the shopping . H. http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/ |
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According to Ned Simmons :
In article rs.com, says... According to Ned Simmons : [ ... ] Any "binistors"? (Numbers like 3N35, IIRC.) It was a bistable device which they discovered by an accidental mis-bond. Four leads, and it could be turned on by pulsing one lead, and off by pulsing another. They had memory functions in mind when they discovered it, though I have no idea whether they actually sold any. I can't lay my hands on them right now, but I'll try to remember to get in touch next time they percolate to the top of the pile. O.K. Thanks. [ ... ] the range. This was fine for a while, listening to the ticking and "braap"ing of the Non Linear Systems digital voltmeters (edge illuminated digits engraved in thin Lucite, and stepper switches doing all the selecting of a Kelvin-Varley voltage divider). I don't suppose you have any interest in an HP freq counter that I'm guessing dates back almost that far? As far as I can tell there are no ICs in it - hundreds of discrete transistors. It's not great cosmetically, but since it does work I can't bear to toss it and would rather give it away to a good home. Hmm ... I'd better reject it. It looks as though we're going to be moving, and I'm going to have enough trouble moving the machine shop, especially with the collection of computers to go along with it. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Tom Quackenbush wrote:
DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Jeff Wisnia: DoN. Nichols wrote: Was this at MIT, by any chance? Guilty as charged, Don. But I'm suprised you didn't figger that out from my sig line. G I did -- but I had to ask, anyway, just to get the conversation started. :-) MIT? Wow, you guys are, like, mega-geeks. By comparison, I'm only a wanna-be geek. Were you guys members of the (in)famous Model Railroad Club? Did Levy's _Hackers_ bring back any memories? I visited the Model Railroad Club a couple of times, but spent more time at the ham radio station: http://web.mit.edu/w1mx/www/index.html Since you mentioned geeks, I'm reminded that one of my buddies there, Phil Spertus, had a daughter who followed in his footsteps and got her Batchelors, Master's and PhD in computer science from MIT. She was elected "Sexiest Geek of The Year" in 2001. http://people.mills.edu/spertus/Geek/ Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented." |
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