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Ode to a Handle Cranker
"Steve Walker" wrote in message news:mTguf.5$Uf7.1@trnddc01... Black Dragon wrote: You set the dial and turn the knob, for all the while 'cuz that's your job. To twist and turn yet another day, For all you yearn is a better way. To school, to learn if you'd only done, now to twist and turn is surely no fun. For direction you see you did not hanker, of all things to be you're a handle cranker. I've got another: Nataly Reed, Untitled Dirty work jeans, one pocket work shirt, steel-toed boots, denim apron Quarters, eighths, sixteenths, thirty-seconds of an inch Measured by the dual wheels of the lathe Turn-twist turn-twist twist-turn The tungsten carbide drill bit bites the cold rolled steel Wisps of heat rise Sending the scent of burning metal to my nostrils I spend the summer days in the shade of the shop Cool cement floors seep moisture Iridescent coolant sprays Sweep up tightly curled metal chips Worse than any ordinary sliver Outside the summer sun bakes the gravel Watch the cars fly down 4-Mile Road Five-thirty time Wash hands with Borax Put the helmet on Ride behind dad on the motorcycle to home I'm going to be a machinist, just like you. Too bad many don't think this way. How can they, when it takes four people working OT to keep a fukn roof over their heads, in many parts of the country. And a fifth to pay the utilities... Not a Dem/Repub issue, either. More to do w/ gigantic corpirate cock on viagra, and the P4 chip. ouchooocheeech... take it easy, willya?? Man, I just got a BP!! 1970 J2--wish I knew how to use it!! Looks pretty, tho, just sittin there! ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll -- Steve Walker (remove wallet to reply) |
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per: Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll How can they, when it takes four people working OT to keep a fukn roof over their heads, in many parts of the country. And a fifth to pay the utilities... Not a Dem/Repub issue, either. Sorry but I, and I imagine some others, might not agree. The ENTIRE problem is exactly "a Dem/Repub issue". The corporate slobs are doing exactly what the investors want: Make the most money by all means possible. It's the so called "Public servants", in who we place our trust, who sell our collective birthright to the highest bidder. This is so frequent and accepted it's a common joke. I think this country would still be number one (#1), the way it used to be, if it wasn't for these scumballs. I hope I've now offended both red and blue sufficiently and I don't give a ****. (oops, did I say that out loud?) dennis in nca |
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rigger wrote: per: Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll How can they, when it takes four people working OT to keep a fukn roof over their heads, in many parts of the country. And a fifth to pay the utilities... Not a Dem/Repub issue, either. Sorry but I, and I imagine some others, might not agree. The ENTIRE problem is exactly "a Dem/Repub issue". The corporate slobs are doing exactly what the investors want: Make the most money by all means possible. It's the so called "Public servants", in who we place our trust, who sell our collective birthright to the highest bidder. snip Collective birthright, my ass. The most primitive economies are principally agricultural. When they advance, they industrialize and begin manufacturing. For over 100 years various stages of industrialized economies were at the forefront. In the last 20+ years, it's gone past industrial, into the tech economy. Now, tech is becoming commoditized - witness Intel's move this week to become a consumer electronics company. COMDEX has gone under - no one's interested in computers anymore. The next evolution? Biotech. Machinists crying about their "birthright" are no different than farmers crying about theirs. The fact of the matter is, 150 years ago 90% of the nation's workforce was working in Ag, now it's 2% and shrinking. Advances in tech have made it such and even still we produce too much food. The same thing's been happening for a long time in manufacturing and it will also happen in tech. Someday it'll happen to biotech too. There is no "birthright". The only thing we are guaranteed of is change. Some adapt, some don't, some don't and cry about it. Like you. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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K. Gringioni explains:
There is no "birthright". The only thing we are guaranteed of is change. Some adapt, some don't, some don't and cry about it. Like you. thanks, Not knowing me you might be speaking of anyone who feels this way, and of course it's your "birthright" to say so. A birthright means you receive this right when you are "born" (or to a lesser degree when you become a citizen). I feel you should enjoy what's left of these rights while you still can because if enough people like yourself defend the present (and changing) situation in this country, I'll guarentee you you'll be changing your tune eventually. Why don't you give it a while as you study the past history and freedoms of this country and see if your opinion changes? Here's something I ran across once: "Remember: Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat." Is this what you mean by "Some adapt,"? If so, go ahead and "adapt" and I'll try another method, previously used as the gold standard although you may not know what I'm talking about. Too bad. Thanks to you as well. dennis in nca |
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On 2 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0800, "rigger" wrote:
K. Gringioni explains: There is no "birthright". The only thing we are guaranteed of is change. Some adapt, some don't, some don't and cry about it. Like you. thanks, Not knowing me you might be speaking of anyone who feels this way, and of course it's your "birthright" to say so. A birthright means you receive this right when you are "born" (or to a lesser degree when you become a citizen). I feel you should enjoy what's left of these rights while you still can because if enough people like yourself defend the present (and changing) situation in this country, I'll guarentee you you'll be changing your tune eventually. Why don't you give it a while as you study the past history and freedoms of this country and see if your opinion changes? Here's something I ran across once: "Remember: Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat." Is this what you mean by "Some adapt,"? If so, go ahead and "adapt" and I'll try another method, previously used as the gold standard although you may not know what I'm talking about. Too bad. Thanks to you as well. dennis in nca Lots of guys escaped the rat race. One Boeing machinist I know..30 yrs in the trades..now makes medical parts in his garage, at his own speed and does quite nicely. Another one became a specialty landscaper and loves it. Neither the Luddites, nor Buggy Whip Makers Local 231 had much effect on change. Now the surviving buggy whip makers sell em at HIGH dollars to the equestrian crowd..and the S&M/BD group Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On 2 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0800, "rigger" wrote:
A birthright means you receive this right when you are "born" Baby's first machinegun ..... -- Cliff |
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On 2 Jan 2006 15:00:03 -0800, "kurgan"
wrote: snip The corporate slobs are doing exactly what the investors want: Make the most money by all means possible. snip The investors better check their wallets (and their watches, rings, etc.). Corporate management stopped declaring dividends years ago. Ask GM, Ford, airlines, kmart, etc. etc. stockholders how their shares are doing. The corporations have been hijacked by the managers who are riding off with the boodle bags crammed full. One example of this is that when the defined benefit pension funds must be shown at actual cost [i.e. projected liabilities less current assets] rather than as an asset when some outrageous return on the assets under management (9.5% anyone?) is assumed General Motors Corporation has no stock holder equity. Takes effect in 2006 I believe. "Management" may have been lip-syncing the song the shareholders wanted to hear, but that's all it was. More moonbeams, cobwebs and derivatives. "show me the money" Uncle George |
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Ode to a Handle Cranker
Uncle,
I shore wish I could unnerstand you!! I get the gist (financial PV'ing, no?), but the details sound pretty intriguing, if you could spell them out. Along w/ how they effing get away with it. --------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "F. George McDuffee" wrote in message ... On 2 Jan 2006 15:00:03 -0800, "kurgan" wrote: snip The corporate slobs are doing exactly what the investors want: Make the most money by all means possible. snip The investors better check their wallets (and their watches, rings, etc.). Corporate management stopped declaring dividends years ago. Ask GM, Ford, airlines, kmart, etc. etc. stockholders how their shares are doing. The corporations have been hijacked by the managers who are riding off with the boodle bags crammed full. One example of this is that when the defined benefit pension funds must be shown at actual cost [i.e. projected liabilities less current assets] rather than as an asset when some outrageous return on the assets under management (9.5% anyone?) is assumed General Motors Corporation has no stock holder equity. Takes effect in 2006 I believe. "Management" may have been lip-syncing the song the shareholders wanted to hear, but that's all it was. More moonbeams, cobwebs and derivatives. "show me the money" Uncle George |
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Can't disagree w/ this, but I also don't think it's
philosophically/humanistically responsible to essentially cite a kind of economic/social Darwinism, and shrug it off with, Dat's Life... This **** is being engineered, choreographed, albeit w/ our own oblivious cooperation. And maybe it is all, ultimately inevitable. Indeed, wine is limited in proof cuz all the yeasties die, en masse, in their own effing ****, at about 19%. A few protesting yeasts are not going to change much by holding their own bladders. Our fate is proly the same. Betcha dint know you was paying alladat money for yeast ****, now, didja?? ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "kurgan" wrote in message ups.com... rigger wrote: per: Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll How can they, when it takes four people working OT to keep a fukn roof over their heads, in many parts of the country. And a fifth to pay the utilities... Not a Dem/Repub issue, either. Sorry but I, and I imagine some others, might not agree. The ENTIRE problem is exactly "a Dem/Repub issue". The corporate slobs are doing exactly what the investors want: Make the most money by all means possible. It's the so called "Public servants", in who we place our trust, who sell our collective birthright to the highest bidder. snip Collective birthright, my ass. The most primitive economies are principally agricultural. When they advance, they industrialize and begin manufacturing. For over 100 years various stages of industrialized economies were at the forefront. In the last 20+ years, it's gone past industrial, into the tech economy. Now, tech is becoming commoditized - witness Intel's move this week to become a consumer electronics company. COMDEX has gone under - no one's interested in computers anymore. The next evolution? Biotech. Machinists crying about their "birthright" are no different than farmers crying about theirs. The fact of the matter is, 150 years ago 90% of the nation's workforce was working in Ag, now it's 2% and shrinking. Advances in tech have made it such and even still we produce too much food. The same thing's been happening for a long time in manufacturing and it will also happen in tech. Someday it'll happen to biotech too. There is no "birthright". The only thing we are guaranteed of is change. Some adapt, some don't, some don't and cry about it. Like you. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Proctologically Violated©® wrote: Can't disagree w/ this, but I also don't think it's philosophically/humanistically responsible to essentially cite a kind of economic/social Darwinism, and shrug it off with, Dat's Life... This **** is being engineered, choreographed, albeit w/ our own oblivious cooperation. And maybe it is all, ultimately inevitable. Ya, it's inevitable, because if a society goes "conservative" and tries to keep things the way they are, that society then, over time, will no longer be able to compete with societies/economies that do change. Your "social/economic Darwanism" is an apt term and I do think it holds because it mimics nature. Nature herself is cruel to the ones that cannot/will not adapt. Very cruel. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:43:58 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
wrote: Indeed, wine is limited in proof cuz all the yeasties die, en masse, in their own effing ****, at about 19%. http://beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/501/ [ Sam Adams Utopias MMII & Samuel Adams Millennium Brewed by the Boston Beer Co., Utopias currently holds the record as the strongest beer in the world. It weighs in at 24 percent ABV and is limited to 3,000 bottles that looked like mini, old-school, copper brewing kettles. The beer was brewed with a slew of malts, hops and maple syrup, then aged in port, scotch and cognac barrels. ] They evolved a "super yeast" .... -- Cliff |
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OT - Song of the Year (was: Ode to a Handle Cranker)
Local Austin singer/songwriter James McMurtry:
"We Can't Make it Here" Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign Sitting there by the left turn line Flag on the wheelchair flapping in the breeze One leg missing, both hands free No one's paying much mind to him The V.A. budget's stretched so thin And there's more comin' home from the Mideast war We can't make it here anymore That big ol' building was the textile mill It fed our kids and it paid our bills But they turned us out and they closed the doors We can't make it here anymore See all those pallets piled up on the loading dock They're just gonna set there till they rot 'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack Just busted concrete and rusted tracks Empty storefronts around the square There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere You don't come down here 'less you're looking to score We can't make it here anymore The bar's still open but man it's slow The tip jar's light and the register's low The bartender don't have much to say The regular crowd gets thinner each day Some have maxed out all their credit cards Some are working two jobs and living in cars Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO See how far 5.15 an hour will go Take a part time job at one of your stores Bet you can't make it here anymore High school girl with a bourgeois dream Just like the pictures in the magazine She found on the floor of the laundromat A woman with kids can forget all that If she comes up pregnant what'll she do Forget the career, forget about school Can she live on faith? live on hope? High on Jesus or hooked on dope When it's way too late to just say no You can't make it here anymore Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store Just like the ones we made before 'Cept this one came from Singapore I guess we can't make it here anymore Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today No I hate the men sent the jobs away I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams All lily white and squeaky clean They've never known want, they'll never know need Their sh@# don't stink and their kids won't bleed Their kids won't bleed in the da$% little war And we can't make it here anymore Will work for food Will die for oil Will kill for power and to us the spoils The billionaires get to pay less tax The working poor get to fall through the cracks Let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake Let 'em eat sh$%, whatever it takes They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps If they can't make it here anymore And that's how it is That's what we got If the president wants to admit it or not You can read it in the paper Read it on the wall Hear it on the wind If you're listening at all Get out of that limo Look us in the eye Call us on the cell phone Tell us all why In Dayton, Ohio Or Portland, Maine Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains That's done closed down along with the school And the hospital and the swimming pool Dust devils dance in the noonday heat There's rats in the alley And trash in the street Gang graffiti on a boxcar door We can't make it here anymore Music and lyrics © 2004 by James McMurtry |
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According to Steve Walker :
[ ... ] I've got another: Nataly Reed, Untitled Dirty work jeans, one pocket work shirt, steel-toed boots, denim apron Quarters, eighths, sixteenths, thirty-seconds of an inch Measured by the dual wheels of the lathe Hmm ... a rather old machine, to be calibrated in fractional inches. Turn-twist turn-twist twist-turn The tungsten carbide drill bit bites the cold rolled steel And used with carbide, at that. However -- rather nice, overall. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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