I saw a very large pumpkin cannon today; my son was very excited almost as
much as me. The barrel is about 30 to 35 feet long; it's connected to a 400
to 600 gallon air tank? Looks awesome built with one hell of a paint job.
The thing is on a triaxle trailer. I went in and asked when they use this
thing and next weekend is the one time a year they compete. It's not truly
open to the public but it's along a public road. I hope to get out and get a
few pictures this weekend. Now this is someone with some serious time to do
some BIG metal working projects. The owner is a welder.

"Waynemak" wrote in message
...
I saw a very large pumpkin cannon today; my son was very excited almost as
much as me. The barrel is about 30 to 35 feet long; it's connected to a 400
to 600 gallon air tank? Looks awesome built with one hell of a paint job.
The thing is on a triaxle trailer. I went in and asked when they use this
thing and next weekend is the one time a year they compete. It's not truly
open to the public but it's along a public road. I hope to get out and get
a few pictures this weekend. Now this is someone with some serious time to
do some BIG metal working projects. The owner is a welder.



Saw a program about Punkin Chunkin. They shoot them from air cannons, and
have a centrifugal sling class. They also have one of those medieval
flingers, can't recall the name.

Looked fun, and they got some incredible distances.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"Waynemak" wrote in message
...

I saw a very large pumpkin cannon today; my son was very excited almost as
much as me. The barrel is about 30 to 35 feet long; it's connected to a 400
to 600 gallon air tank? Looks awesome built with one hell of a paint job.
The thing is on a triaxle trailer. I went in and asked when they use this
thing and next weekend is the one time a year they compete. It's not truly
open to the public but it's along a public road. I hope to get out and get
a few pictures this weekend. Now this is someone with some serious time to
do some BIG metal working projects. The owner is a welder.




Saw a program about Punkin Chunkin. They shoot them from air cannons, and
have a centrifugal sling class. They also have one of those medieval
flingers, can't recall the name.

Looked fun, and they got some incredible distances.

Steve


trebuchet?

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:33:26 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, t
quickly quoth:

SteveB wrote:
Saw a program about Punkin Chunkin. They shoot them from air cannons, and
have a centrifugal sling class. They also have one of those medieval
flingers, can't recall the name.

Looked fun, and they got some incredible distances.

trebuchet?

That's it. Links follow:

http://trebuchet.com/index.html
http://www.jarkman.co.uk/toys.htm
http://www.eskimo.com/%7Everne/treb.htm pianos, anyone?


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me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
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Waynemak wrote:
I saw a very large pumpkin cannon today; my son was very excited almost as
much as me. The barrel is about 30 to 35 feet long; it's connected to a 400
to 600 gallon air tank? Looks awesome built with one hell of a paint job.
The thing is on a triaxle trailer. I went in and asked when they use this
thing and next weekend is the one time a year they compete. It's not truly
open to the public but it's along a public road. I hope to get out and get a
few pictures this weekend. Now this is someone with some serious time to do
some BIG metal working projects. The owner is a welder.

You guys have seen the Punkin Chunkin website I guess?

http://www.punkinchunkin.com/main.htm

Chris

steamer wrote:

--I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...

--
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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
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---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete C.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

steamer wrote:

--I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete C.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

In article ,
Andy Asberry wrote:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

steamer wrote:

--I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete C.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

Hard question to answer - Which one did you designate "ammo" for this
particular shot?

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"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
| wrote:
|
| steamer wrote:
|
| --I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
| me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
| got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...
|
| --
| "Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
| Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
| http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
| ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
|
| Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
| like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.
|
| Pete C.
|
| Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
| air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing a
blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the pumpkin
before it can get very far up the barrel. In fact, that's part of the range
problem, because that usually falls short while the pumpkin continues on. I
guess they started tying the thing with a cable or something to the gun so
it wouldn't classify as part of the projectile, thus getting around a
technicality. If that's what they have to do, and technicalities mean that
much, then those guys don't just put some serious money into it, they put
some serious emotion into it as well!

In article et,
"carl mciver" wrote:

"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
| wrote:
|
| steamer wrote:
|
| --I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
| me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
| got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...
|
| --
| "Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
| Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
| http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
| ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
|
| Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
| like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.
|
| Pete C.
|
| Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
| air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing a
blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the pumpkin
before it can get very far up the barrel.

You're looking for the word "wadding".

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:40:43 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:

In article et,
"carl mciver" wrote:

"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
| wrote:
|
| steamer wrote:
|
| --I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
| me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
| got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...
|
| --
| "Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
| Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
| http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
| ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
|
| Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
| like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.
|
| Pete C.
|
| Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
| air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing a
blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the pumpkin
before it can get very far up the barrel.

You're looking for the word "wadding".

Actually...in this case..its "sabot"

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
SNIP
| What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing
a
| blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the
pumpkin
| before it can get very far up the barrel.
|
| You're looking for the word "wadding".
|
| Actually...in this case..its "sabot"

That's it. I was starting to feel stupid there for a minute. Glad to
know I wasn't the only one drawing a blank!

Andy Asberry wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:


steamer wrote:

--I still wish I could interest a few folks in my area to help
me put one together, but nobody seems to want to spend the time! I've
got two great junkyards to snag hardware, too. Sigh...

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : A greasy donut, a cup of
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete C.


Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?


The holder of the world record (5 years running IIRC) submitted a 1446
pounder this year, missing his best by 3 pounds. Again, IIRC. It's been
10-12 hours since I read the article. I'll let someone else guess what
caliber it might be.

mj

"carl mciver" wrote
What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing a
blank here.
If it's holding shot in a shell it's a shot cup. If it's surrounding a
single bullet in a bore it's a sabot. If it's supporting ammo in a gourd gun
it's a chunkinpunkinpushincusion.

They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the pumpkin
before it can get very far up the barrel. In fact, that's part of the
range
problem, because that usually falls short while the pumpkin continues on.
I
guess they started tying the thing with a cable or something to the gun so
it wouldn't classify as part of the projectile, thus getting around a
technicality. If that's what they have to do, and technicalities mean
that
much, then those guys don't just put some serious money into it, they put
some serious emotion into it as well!

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:04:23 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Andy
Asberry quickly quoth:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:
Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

As a Texican, you'll recognize "big ol' honkin'" caliber, right?


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Hacking the Trailing Edge! : coffee and thou...
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---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

"Tom Wait" wrote in message
.. .
|
| "carl mciver" wrote
| What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing a
| blank here.
| If it's holding shot in a shell it's a shot cup. If it's surrounding a
| single bullet in a bore it's a sabot. If it's supporting ammo in a gourd
gun
| it's a chunkinpunkinpushincusion.

It's a good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. I'd have
to go buy a new computer!

That was good!

carl mciver wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
SNIP
| What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing
a
| blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the
pumpkin
| before it can get very far up the barrel.
|
| You're looking for the word "wadding".
|
| Actually...in this case..its "sabot"

That's it. I was starting to feel stupid there for a minute. Glad to
know I wasn't the only one drawing a blank!

Would it not be correctly termed "wadding" if it is behind the pumpkin
and serves to cushion the accelerating force on the pumpkin, vs. a
"sabot" that surrounds the pumpkin on the sides as well and serves to
seal and guide it in the bore?

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
| carl mciver wrote:
|
| "Gunner" wrote in message
| ...
| SNIP
| | What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm
drawing
| a
| | blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the
| pumpkin
| | before it can get very far up the barrel.
| |
| | You're looking for the word "wadding".
| |
| | Actually...in this case..its "sabot"
|
| That's it. I was starting to feel stupid there for a minute. Glad
to
| know I wasn't the only one drawing a blank!
|
| Would it not be correctly termed "wadding" if it is behind the pumpkin
| and serves to cushion the accelerating force on the pumpkin, vs. a
| "sabot" that surrounds the pumpkin on the sides as well and serves to
| seal and guide it in the bore?
|
| Pete C.

I'm obviously no expert, but two things: 1) the pumpkin will be
irregular in shape at best and it'll truly difficult to find pumpkins whose
profile will allow a precise fit, so a sabot's function sounds correct. 2)
the pumpkin's acceleration will obviously be so great that the pumpkin won't
stand the acceleration part of its ride before disintegrating, so wadding is
also necessary. The sabot on shotgun shells has a sort of wadding function
built in, so is it called a sabot or wad? Not something I'm gonna get
wrapped up over, that's for sure!

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:33 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:04:23 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Andy
Asberry quickly quoth:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

As a Texican, you'll recognize "big ol' honkin'" caliber, right?

The caliber is whatever the ID of the big chunk of steel pipe you
can find for a barrel is. Which can vary a great deal according to
the "Stuff Acquisition" skills and/or the financial condition of the
buyer's bank account.

I suppose there is a natural upper limit somewhere on practical
barrel sizes, but until you find it "Bigger Is Better" holds true.

First you build the gun, then you design the sabots (so you don't
spend all day making pumpkin paste out of your ammunition), then you
find ammunition pumpkins that fit the results of the first two steps.

Of course, I'd love to see someone build a self-contained mobile
armored chunker, something on the lines of a re-barreled Sherman.
I'd pay a quarter to see that... ;-0

-- Bruce --

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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:33 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:04:23 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Andy
Asberry quickly quoth:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

As a Texican, you'll recognize "big ol' honkin'" caliber, right?

The caliber is whatever the ID of the big chunk of steel pipe you
can find for a barrel is. Which can vary a great deal according to
the "Stuff Acquisition" skills and/or the financial condition of the
buyer's bank account.

I suppose there is a natural upper limit somewhere on practical
barrel sizes, but until you find it "Bigger Is Better" holds true.

First you build the gun, then you design the sabots (so you don't
spend all day making pumpkin paste out of your ammunition), then you
find ammunition pumpkins that fit the results of the first two steps.

Of course, I'd love to see someone build a self-contained mobile
armored chunker, something on the lines of a re-barreled Sherman.
I'd pay a quarter to see that... ;-0

-- Bruce --

--
The program I saw on TV had the cannon types and the centrifugal types and
the catapult types.

The cannon types seemed to me to have tapered barrels that looked like
successively smaller diameters of pipes. It was amazing to me that the
punkins came out the other end in one piece.

The catapults were okay, and got good distance.

But the centrifugals were the most awesome. They had wheels perhaps 20' in
diameter that spun at incredible speed. I didn't get to see a close up of
the release mechanism, or the sling that held the punkin, but it was
something like the sling on the catapults. These have to be balanced pretty
good, and they have had them to berserk out of balance during competitions
and stomp all over whatever was parked next to it. They came on huge
trailers pulled by huge semis. A lot of money just to throw a punkin.

But the results were incredible. They had a cleared field for about 750
feet, then woods. They had to send search teams into the woods to find the
final impact point, and sometimes it took them quite a while. They had
spotters that would stand behind the device and try to plot the line of
trajectory.

If anyone sees that program coming up, I, and I know others here, would
appreciate a heads up.

Sure beat the heck out of American Chopper, although there were human
interactions that made American Chopper look like girlie mens.

Steve

Johhny Sabot?

carl mciver wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

SNIP

| What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm drawing
a
| blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the
pumpkin
| before it can get very far up the barrel.
|
| You're looking for the word "wadding".
|
| Actually...in this case..its "sabot"

That's it. I was starting to feel stupid there for a minute. Glad to
know I wasn't the only one drawing a blank!

Tom Wait wrote:
chunkinpunkinpushincusion.

Love this . Accurate and funny at the same time :-) . This would be the
perfect theme/title for a children s book . Let me know when you have it
done so I can find a kid to use as cover while reading it .
Ken Cutt

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:5pl3f.15506$fE5.14884@fed1read06...

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:33 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:04:23 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Andy
Asberry quickly quoth:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:47:12 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

Exactly what part of the planet is your area? A pumpkin cannon sounds
like a fun project. I'm a bit north of the DFW area.

Pete, I'm south of DFW. I've got a 500 gallon propane tank and a gas
air compressor. What caliber is a pumpkin?

As a Texican, you'll recognize "big ol' honkin'" caliber, right?

The caliber is whatever the ID of the big chunk of steel pipe you
can find for a barrel is. Which can vary a great deal according to
the "Stuff Acquisition" skills and/or the financial condition of the
buyer's bank account.

I suppose there is a natural upper limit somewhere on practical
barrel sizes, but until you find it "Bigger Is Better" holds true.

First you build the gun, then you design the sabots (so you don't
spend all day making pumpkin paste out of your ammunition), then you
find ammunition pumpkins that fit the results of the first two steps.

Of course, I'd love to see someone build a self-contained mobile
armored chunker, something on the lines of a re-barreled Sherman.
I'd pay a quarter to see that... ;-0

-- Bruce --

--
The program I saw on TV had the cannon types and the centrifugal types and
the catapult types.

The cannon types seemed to me to have tapered barrels that looked like
successively smaller diameters of pipes. It was amazing to me that the
punkins came out the other end in one piece.

The catapults were okay, and got good distance.

But the centrifugals were the most awesome. They had wheels perhaps 20'
in diameter that spun at incredible speed. I didn't get to see a close up
of the release mechanism, or the sling that held the punkin, but it was
something like the sling on the catapults. These have to be balanced
pretty good, and they have had them to berserk out of balance during
competitions and stomp all over whatever was parked next to it. They came
on huge trailers pulled by huge semis. A lot of money just to throw a
punkin.

But the results were incredible. They had a cleared field for about 750
feet, then woods. They had to send search teams into the woods to find
the final impact point, and sometimes it took them quite a while. They
had spotters that would stand behind the device and try to plot the line
of trajectory.

If anyone sees that program coming up, I, and I know others here, would
appreciate a heads up.

Sure beat the heck out of American Chopper, although there were human
interactions that made American Chopper look like girlie mens.

Steve

750 feet!!! Mere beginners. Go to the World Punkin Chunkin Site and look at
last years results. The winner in the cannon went 4200+ feet.....

--

Clif

Finish a book? It took me me 30 min. to type the post. Thats why I don't
post much. Hell, I didn't even spell chunkinpunkinpushincushion right. My
shop lights blinked and the CPU over heated when I clicked the spel checker,
so I'm giving it a break.
Tom
"Ken Cutt" wrote in message
...
Tom Wait wrote:
chunkinpunkinpushincusion.

Love this . Accurate and funny at the same time :-) . This would be the
perfect theme/title for a children s book . Let me know when you have it
done so I can find a kid to use as cover while reading it .
Ken Cutt

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:28:32 GMT, "carl mciver"
wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
| carl mciver wrote:
|
| "Gunner" wrote in message
| ...
| SNIP
| | What's the thing called that's holds shot in a shell? I'm
drawing
| a
| | blank here. They use that to keep the pressure from destroying the
| pumpkin
| | before it can get very far up the barrel.
| |
| | You're looking for the word "wadding".
| |
| | Actually...in this case..its "sabot"
|
| That's it. I was starting to feel stupid there for a minute. Glad
to
| know I wasn't the only one drawing a blank!
|
| Would it not be correctly termed "wadding" if it is behind the pumpkin
| and serves to cushion the accelerating force on the pumpkin, vs. a
| "sabot" that surrounds the pumpkin on the sides as well and serves to
| seal and guide it in the bore?
|
| Pete C.

I'm obviously no expert, but two things: 1) the pumpkin will be
irregular in shape at best and it'll truly difficult to find pumpkins whose
profile will allow a precise fit, so a sabot's function sounds correct. 2)
the pumpkin's acceleration will obviously be so great that the pumpkin won't
stand the acceleration part of its ride before disintegrating, so wadding is
also necessary. The sabot on shotgun shells has a sort of wadding function
built in, so is it called a sabot or wad? Not something I'm gonna get
wrapped up over, that's for sure!

Shotgun shells that fire shot..use shot cups and occasionally wads.
Shotgun shells that fire a solid projectile, a finned slug or dart
acuatlly..use a sabot to hold the projectile..and they fall away once
it clears the barrel.

Wadding seals the bore, but does little to cushion the pumpkin.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article , Gunner says...

Wadding seals the bore, but does little to cushion the pumpkin.

Hence most of the pumpkin cannons seem to use low pressure, high
volume air. They tend to have a huge surge tank coupled to the
barrel via a ball valve and a high throughput connection.

Think tire-bead seating machine.

Jim


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In article ,
Gunner wrote:

snip

Shotgun shells that fire shot..use shot cups and occasionally wads.

I'll go with that.

Shotgun shells that fire a solid projectile, a finned slug or dart
acuatlly..use a sabot to hold the projectile..and they fall away once
it clears the barrel.

puts on official pedant hat to relieve some locally-ocurring boredom
Duzzat count for my 12 gauge slug-chucker? That's a solid projectile,
right?

I can't help eyeing the disassembled Remington "Slugger" shell laying
nearby, which shows lots of signs of wadding, but nothing recognizable
to me as a sabot...

Going down the stack, it's got a rolled crimp holding down a slug with
an exposed nose, which is sitting on top of (not in or surrounded by,
just sitting on top of) some sort of rubber-like plastic ring, similar
to a garden hose washer, but smaller and stiffer, which in turn sits on
top of (again, on, not in) a thick - I eyeball it at about half an inch
- fiber plug, which is above a half inch or so tall plastic "pillar"
with an integral bore-diameter base that sits on top of another thick
(this one only about 3/8 inch, I'd say) fiber plug, which sits on top of
a thin piece of a cardboard-like substance that keeps the powder tamped
down against the primer.

Other than the shell casing itself, nothing is wrapped around any of the
stack in such a way that it would prevent direct, intimate contact of
any portion of the OD of the stack with the ID of the barrel.

Where's the sabot??? Did I blink and miss it?

takes off pedant hat and hangs it back on the virtual rack

Gotta tip the hat your way for the sabot/wadding distinction, though - I
wasn't aware that the punkin-chunkers had taken up sabots. Last time I
paid attention, they were wadding them heavily, but hadn't progressed to
the more advanced sabot concept.

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Tom Wait wrote:
Finish a book? It took me me 30 min. to type the post. Thats why I don't
post much. Hell, I didn't even spell chunkinpunkinpushincushion right. My
shop lights blinked and the CPU over heated when I clicked the spel checker,
so I'm giving it a break.
Tom

I know what you mean . I would post more if I could but typing is a big
deal for me . Still a cool theme for a book .
Ken Cutt

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:51:32 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

snip

Shotgun shells that fire shot..use shot cups and occasionally wads.

I'll go with that.

Shotgun shells that fire a solid projectile, a finned slug or dart
acuatlly..use a sabot to hold the projectile..and they fall away once
it clears the barrel.

puts on official pedant hat to relieve some locally-ocurring boredom
Duzzat count for my 12 gauge slug-chucker? That's a solid projectile,
right?

I can't help eyeing the disassembled Remington "Slugger" shell laying
nearby, which shows lots of signs of wadding, but nothing recognizable
to me as a sabot...

Going down the stack, it's got a rolled crimp holding down a slug with
an exposed nose, which is sitting on top of (not in or surrounded by,
just sitting on top of) some sort of rubber-like plastic ring, similar
to a garden hose washer, but smaller and stiffer, which in turn sits on
top of (again, on, not in) a thick - I eyeball it at about half an inch
- fiber plug, which is above a half inch or so tall plastic "pillar"
with an integral bore-diameter base that sits on top of another thick
(this one only about 3/8 inch, I'd say) fiber plug, which sits on top of
a thin piece of a cardboard-like substance that keeps the powder tamped
down against the primer.

Other than the shell casing itself, nothing is wrapped around any of the
stack in such a way that it would prevent direct, intimate contact of
any portion of the OD of the stack with the ID of the barrel.

Where's the sabot??? Did I blink and miss it?

takes off pedant hat and hangs it back on the virtual rack

Gotta tip the hat your way for the sabot/wadding distinction, though - I
wasn't aware that the punkin-chunkers had taken up sabots. Last time I
paid attention, they were wadding them heavily, but hadn't progressed to
the more advanced sabot concept.

Chuckle...sabots are typically used for sub bore diameter projectiles.
After all..Sabot means "shoe"

Your slug, if its a bore riding full diameter projectile uses a wad
behind it to seal the bore. Some of the early Forester type hollow
base slugs, which used weight forewards stabilization used only an
over powder wad. Brenneke and similar slugs use a wad at the base of
the slug for bore sealing/wiping

You may find these of interest

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nitions/12.htm
http://www.strategypage.com/hotstuff...0055271228.asp

http://www.polywad.com/qs12ga.html
http://www.remington.com/ammo/shotsh...rsabotslug.htm



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article , Gunner says...

After all..Sabot means "shoe"

Hence the derivation of the term 'sabotage.'

Jim


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