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Industrial Arts Instructor Wanted-Pasadena Californiaq
Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at
a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. And before you ask, yes I do mean that as a compliment... Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 8 Sep 2005 09:55:28 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. And before you ask, yes I do mean that as a compliment... Jim Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:54:31 GMT, Gunner wrote:
Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? I'm failing to see where there's a "problem" with this scenario, other than maybe loose clothing around powered machinery? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. You'd be perfect. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Go for it. If it sucks and you hate it, you don't have to stay there forever. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep 2005 09:55:28 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. And before you ask, yes I do mean that as a compliment... Jim Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Gunner First question is how do you say "Bridgeport" in ebonics? This might help http://www.theflasharchive.com/f/f-85.htm -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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In article , Gunner says...
You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. And before you ask, yes I do mean that as a compliment... Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? No. Would that be a problem? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... All the best ones are. How are the benefits? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 8 Sep 2005 09:55:28 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. Agree, but I think the real benefit to the students would be seeing the example of an alternative *career*. A "this is your brain..." sort of thing. ;-) But seriously, I don't believe he could go a couple of hours without dividing the class up into left and right. And he'd be very likely to substitute his own rules of conduct whenever he disagrees with the ones in place. But perhaps most importantly, there's about a 100% possibility of embarrassing repercussions when the students and their parents come upon Gunner's Usenet posting history. I wouldn't be surprised if there are administrators who are too slack to Google his name, but the students are going to do it five minutes. Taking such a job without proper disclosure would be a mean thing to do to the guy who recommended him. Wayne |
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Gunner,
Before you refect it out of hand, consider the bennies - including health. Bob Swinney "Chris" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep 2005 09:55:28 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. You should take it. I think high school kids need to be exposed to alternative personalities. And before you ask, yes I do mean that as a compliment... Jim Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Gunner First question is how do you say "Bridgeport" in ebonics? This might help http://www.theflasharchive.com/f/f-85.htm -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:54:31 GMT, Gunner
wrote: snip Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job. Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Gunner Having been there and done/doing that I say go for it. This is likely the first time most of the students will see *ANY* application for the "stuff" they have been forced to learn in school. Your main problem with the students will be that the shop rules, which when violated are likely to result in the loss of a finger or an eye, will be regarded as the school rules, which don't result in any penalty unless you are caught, i.e. just so much BS. Your main administrative problem will be the lack of money for consumable tooling and materials. "But we just bought you 10 carbide inserts last semester" will be a typical response. An occupational hazzard is supplying your own tools and tooling, and things will walk unless these are kept under lock and key. Emphasize student projects such as tap guide blocks, center/prick punches, scribers, and pump staffs/wigglers. In most cases this will be the first tool the student has ever made and used. My day job is "Director of Institutional Research," but I get the most satisfaction teaching craft machining and foundry. See my web site at http://www.mcduffee-associates.us and click on the craft machining section to see some of our recent student projects. I am retiring effective Sept 30, so email me at |
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Gunner wrote:
Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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wmbjk wrote:
Agree, but I think the real benefit to the students would be ... Another benefit would be, that he has less time for OT and wild x-posts. Nick -- Motor Modelle // Engine Models http://www.motor-manufaktur.de |
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JohnM wrote:
maybe prevent a cliff or two.. A Gunner prevents a cliff? Ummm ... ah! by bad example. Nick -- Motor Modelle // Engine Models http://www.motor-manufaktur.de |
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This is the chance of a lifetime Guns... Don't pass it up. I spent six
years in college and I still can't teach. And I WANT TO! Don't let this pass you up. Reconsider this one man... Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "JohnM" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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""Nick Müller"" wrote in message ... JohnM wrote: maybe prevent a cliff or two.. A Gunner prevents a cliff? Ummm ... ah! by bad example. That is more like saying AIDs prevents VD. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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I taught JR College for 11 years - Electronics from math to uP programming.
Mostly in the upper levels due to my background and ability. Just to far from Pasadena. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: This is the chance of a lifetime Guns... Don't pass it up. I spent six years in college and I still can't teach. And I WANT TO! Don't let this pass you up. Reconsider this one man... Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "JohnM" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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A little ego?
Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... I taught JR College for 11 years - Electronics from math to uP programming. Mostly in the upper levels due to my background and ability. Just to far from Pasadena. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: This is the chance of a lifetime Guns... Don't pass it up. I spent six years in college and I still can't teach. And I WANT TO! Don't let this pass you up. Reconsider this one man... Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "JohnM" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:35:07 -0500, RDF wrote:
A little ego? Sounded like a statement of fact to me (shrug). I'd love to quote the context, but you top-posted and I can't be bothered to fix your error. |
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Actually Jim...thats one of the reasons I have against taking the job.
Can you picture me taking **** from a baggy pants 17yr old flashing me gang signs, without putting his head in the vise on a Bridgeport and engaging the down feed with a fly cutter in it? Im not sure I have the patience for it. As Im ageing..my capacity for bull**** is getting smaller. On the other hand..being a curmudgeon shop teacher has its appeal.... Let me tell you a little story about one of my teachers when I was in grade school. She was an albino so with stark white hair and stark white skin she wore the brightest red nail polish and lipstick that was made. From the early grades she had the reputation of being the sacriest teacher in the school, defintly not one to let catch you in any mischief. She was the one teacher in the school that songs were sung about and they weren't nice ones. On the first day of her class, she stands fully erect and with proper posture at the podium and gives the following speach: "I am going to hold each and every one of you to high standards. I give home work that will be turned in on time and I cut no slack on grading. If anone thinks they will pass just by showing up they will be here next year to serve as an example to the rest of the class that I mean what I say. I expect each and every one of you to obtain a three ring note book and a supply of paper you purchase with moner you have earned from odd jobs, paper routes or babysitting. This will be known as you P-O-W notebook... This stands for pearls of wisdom and as the pearls of wisdom flow from my ruby red lips you will make notes of what I say or you will not do well here." She was one tough broad. She was the best teacher in my whole school experience. She had every one doing algebra before we left the 5th grade and didn't even tell us it was algebra until each of us had shown competence. As well as math and science she also peppered her lectures with common sense problems like how to wrap christmas presents with out wasting paper and she had all of us get into the habit of folding discarded papers rather than crumpling them. I think this kind of thing would work for you. On day one in the shop class you dress in a shop coat starched with perfect creases and give them the speach that you are here to convey important information and teach them to make stuff because in the real world people pay for competent workers, not slackers. You will run a tight ship and work will be done to print. Any of you think you can't cut it see me and I will give you a hall pass to the counsellers office so you can drop this class. Tell them you require them to show up everyday ready to work safely. This means no baggy clothing that could get snagged and be a safety hazard. This means if any one here insists on showing up with long hair it will be tied back and tucked in, and this will be done before you step into the classroom. Now who wants to drop this class?... Very well lets get started. I think if you start that way, you will have much less grief -- __ Roger Shoaf Important factors in selecting a mate: 1] Depth of gene pool 2] Position on the food chain. |
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No, Just the facts son.
Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: A little ego? Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... I taught JR College for 11 years - Electronics from math to uP programming. Mostly in the upper levels due to my background and ability. Just to far from Pasadena. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: This is the chance of a lifetime Guns... Don't pass it up. I spent six years in college and I still can't teach. And I WANT TO! Don't let this pass you up. Reconsider this one man... Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "JohnM" wrote in message . com... Gunner wrote: Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Well, you earned it, I won't short you there at all. Quite a full spectrum
of teaching for sure. No one handed you that. Respects, Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... No, Just the facts son. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: A little ego? Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message ... I taught JR College for 11 years - Electronics from math to uP programming. Mostly in the upper levels due to my background and ability. Just to far from Pasadena. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder RDF wrote: This is the chance of a lifetime Guns... Don't pass it up. I spent six years in college and I still can't teach. And I WANT TO! Don't let this pass you up. Reconsider this one man... Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "JohnM" wrote in message .com... Gunner wrote: Ive been asked to take a position as an Industrial Arts instructor at a Pasadena California highschool. A position that Im afraid will strongly interfer with my normal (and increasing) business. The district is desperate. Anyone interested? 2 periods a day and one night class. $50 per hour IRRC, Teaching credential NOT needed. Gunner You just can't fit it in? It's the opportunity to mold young minds, maybe prevent a cliff or two.. John "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Details... 1pm-3pm M-F 2 hours Mon and Wed night when they open the shop to the public and to other students. 15-18 per week, $30-35 hr Part time, which I assume means no bennies. Its 35 miles each way from my RV in Pomona, 120 miles from my home. Based on costs..this is a non starter for me. So Ive called every one in my Curmudons List..all older machinists or machine shop owners, gave em the pitch and several have indicated interest and will be contacting the schools contact person. Ive also recently become associated with a fabrication company as a independant field service tech/contractor. http://www.ocmfg.com/crass.htm Gunner =---- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Cool! I guess I need to bug you instead of buying a new Piranha or
Scotty-press now? How may beers per press ton ratio? Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Gunner" wrote in message ... Details... 1pm-3pm M-F 2 hours Mon and Wed night when they open the shop to the public and to other students. 15-18 per week, $30-35 hr Part time, which I assume means no bennies. Its 35 miles each way from my RV in Pomona, 120 miles from my home. Based on costs..this is a non starter for me. So Ive called every one in my Curmudons List..all older machinists or machine shop owners, gave em the pitch and several have indicated interest and will be contacting the schools contact person. Ive also recently become associated with a fabrication company as a independant field service tech/contractor. http://www.ocmfg.com/crass.htm Gunner =---- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:12:33 -0500, "RDF"
wrote: Cool! I guess I need to bug you instead of buying a new Piranha or Scotty-press now? How may beers per press ton ratio? Rob Chuckle....Ive not had a chance to network deep yet...but I already know of a couple iron workers, a couple Di-Acro fingerbrakes and so forth that are cheap enough....G Btw...LB is in the service area G Gunner Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Details... 1pm-3pm M-F 2 hours Mon and Wed night when they open the shop to the public and to other students. 15-18 per week, $30-35 hr Part time, which I assume means no bennies. Its 35 miles each way from my RV in Pomona, 120 miles from my home. Based on costs..this is a non starter for me. So Ive called every one in my Curmudons List..all older machinists or machine shop owners, gave em the pitch and several have indicated interest and will be contacting the schools contact person. Ive also recently become associated with a fabrication company as a independant field service tech/contractor. http://www.ocmfg.com/crass.htm Gunner =---- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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