I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

You could look at a chemical toilet or a composting toilet (do a Google
search on it...

Jerry

Is an outhouse illegal? I you not going pour anything nasty in it I'd just
run the sink to some sort of drain field, say a buried bucket with holes in
it wrapped in that cloth that keeps dirt out.
Karl

"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

If you're looking at a bootleg system, the barrels will crush on you. I'd
suggest you use a culvert for your tank. No reason a long narrow septic tank
won't work. Plug ends with concrete around inlet and outlet lines.

Karl

Sympathize, but I humbly submit that if you build it it will come. I put a
toilet into my basement shop so I'd stop tracking chips upstairs, and yes old #2
does seem to happen there with some, um, regularity :-)

If it's really just #1, a gallon jug labeled MEN will get you quite a ways.

GWE

Andy Asberry wrote:

I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

Andy Asberry wrote:

I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

snip

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

There's also the Incinolet (I'm not sure about the spelling) - an
incinerator toilet, as well as systems that pump the slop uphill into a
septic/sewer. Both are regularly advertised in Fine Homebuilding magazine.

Me, I walk the 30 feet or so to the edge of the woods. Dogwoods provide
plenty of privacy. The sink runoff does just that (downhill). I figure I
can wash my hands using a hose (or "hose-pipe", here in de South) and no
one would complain, so the sink just helps channel the water. Boraxo seems
pretty benign in the amounts I use.

Joe

Coffee can works for me

- -
Rex B

Grant Erwin wrote:
Sympathize, but I humbly submit that if you build it it will come. I put
a toilet into my basement shop so I'd stop tracking chips upstairs, and
yes old #2 does seem to happen there with some, um, regularity :-)

If it's really just #1, a gallon jug labeled MEN will get you quite a ways.

GWE

Andy Asberry wrote:

I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

Karl's idea is what basically I have at my house. It was common to use two
concrete culverts on end to do the deed. The waste flows into the first
tank, through a 6" pipe to the second , and then out into the leech field.
The tanks are about 36" in dia and maybe 4' tall. The pipes in the sides
are about 3.5' above the bottom. The inlet and outlet have elbows pointed
down for baffles. Its been working better than 50 years.
lg
no neat sig line

"Karl Townsend" remove .NOT to reply wrote
in message ink.net...
If you're looking at a bootleg system, the barrels will crush on you. I'd
suggest you use a culvert for your tank. No reason a long narrow septic
tank won't work. Plug ends with concrete around inlet and outlet lines.

Karl

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:06:49 -0400, Joe wrote:



Andy Asberry wrote:

I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

snip

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.

There's also the Incinolet (I'm not sure about the spelling) - an
incinerator toilet, as well as systems that pump the slop uphill into a
septic/sewer. Both are regularly advertised in Fine Homebuilding magazine.

Me, I walk the 30 feet or so to the edge of the woods. Dogwoods provide
plenty of privacy. The sink runoff does just that (downhill). I figure I
can wash my hands using a hose (or "hose-pipe", here in de South) and no
one would complain, so the sink just helps channel the water. Boraxo seems
pretty benign in the amounts I use.

Joe
Get a porta-potty as used by many campers - One tank with built in
bowl, seat, flush valve and wash down pump. This tank holds the supply
of fresh water. Lower tank holds the waste and is carried to a toilet
or dumping station. They cost about $100 and when used with
disinfectant should be good for at least a week. At least that was the
story thirty years ago when I bought one.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Andy Asberry" wrote in message
...
snip----

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.


That's not an issue. There are products on the market that will work, and
they're not expensive. One of them, DrainCare, is available at Home
Depot. It's an enzyme product that is intended for clearing clogged drains
by digesting solids....... I've used it with very good success, and
recommend it highly. You could introduce a small amount a few times each
year and keep the tank(s) functioning just fine.

Usual disclaimers----just a satisfied customer.

Harold

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:34 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Sympathize, but I humbly submit that if you build it it will come. I put a
toilet into my basement shop so I'd stop tracking chips upstairs, and yes old #2
does seem to happen there with some, um, regularity :-)

If it's really just #1, a gallon jug labeled MEN will get you quite a ways.

GWE

For #1...google on the term "**** tube"

Gunner


Andy Asberry wrote:

I've built a small shop (1500') on the farm. It is properly plumbed
inside for a sink and toilet. No zoning or permits required except for
septic. County has banned new conventional leach field systems.
Grandfathered ones can be repaired but not replaced.
Smallest permissible new is three 500 gallon tank aerobic with both
pumps.

I'll be the only one using it and it may not get used every day. And
then, probably only for a pee. There is livestock on the other side of
a fence 4 feet from the building.

Options and possibilities:

The new system which is out because of cost. operating permit is $450.

Connect to an existing conventional system (currently not in use) 60 '
away. With proper drop, waste line would enter tank half way down the
side, 3 feet or so. Lateral line would have to be replaced, deeper.

Pump from a new holding tank to an aerobic system 200 feet away. This
would involve trenching across an established lawn. Pretty much rule
this out.

Go take a leak in the barn or walk the 150 feet to the house..

Or...bootleg a small system that would be sized to handle the small
amount of waste.

I'm leaning toward the latter but I have concerns about whether there
would be enough solids to keep the bacteria working.

I'm thinking maybe two buried plastic barrels in series; pumping the
liquid from the second into the barnyard or a conventional lateral
line. Wouldn't be more than...maybe...5 gallons a day. Not just pee;
hand washing and flushing you know.

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

I suppose there is another option. Chamber pot/slop jar, depending on
which side of the Mason/Dixon line you're on.


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I wish there were someplace where really helpful product tidbits like this could
be stored. I nabbed this one and archived it because it may come in handy and I
trust Harold's judgement. I've replaced 2 toilets in my house because of
frequent clogging, and sure wish I'd known about this. I also have an ejector
pump system in my basement shop bathroom, and the float valve gets sticky
sometimes. Maybe this stuff would help.

In lieu of such a repository, I encourage anyone who has actual useful product
information to make it available. I recall the recent thread on purple cleaner
and how good a job it does on various hard-to-clean items, for example.

GWE

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

...DrainCare, is available at Home
Depot. It's an enzyme product that is intended for clearing clogged drains
by digesting solids....... I've used it with very good success, and
recommend it highly. You could introduce a small amount a few times each
year and keep the tank(s) functioning just fine.

Usual disclaimers----just a satisfied customer.