I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves (low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.

I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves (low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.


I believe I would refrain from cutting down the propane feed too much
as the flame *could* easily be blown out - and unless you have some
kind of temperature safety device on the grill, you would fill the
area with propane gas - waiting to be ignited. Even with my grill on
low, there isn't much flame and a hefty breeze *could* possibly blow
out the flame. I would think you would be better off with
thermostatically controlled electric element.
Ken.

Second that, Ken! Better to not mess with a propane regulator.

Bob Swinney
Ken Sterling (Ken Sterling) wrote in message
...
I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with
knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install
the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves
(low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.


I believe I would refrain from cutting down the propane feed too much
as the flame *could* easily be blown out - and unless you have some
kind of temperature safety device on the grill, you would fill the
area with propane gas - waiting to be ignited. Even with my grill on
low, there isn't much flame and a hefty breeze *could* possibly blow
out the flame. I would think you would be better off with
thermostatically controlled electric element.
Ken.

open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives
me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let
me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install

Its your funeral, so, if you decide to do it,put the valve on the downstream
side of the regulator. The pressure will be constant, so the flow will vary
with the opening of the valve. Just put out your cigarette befor you chek
it each time as you could achiev orbit if the flame has gone out and you
light it when the thing is full of gas.

In article ,
"Tom Miller" wrote:

open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives
me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let
me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install

Its your funeral, so, if you decide to do it,put the valve on the downstream
side of the regulator. The pressure will be constant, so the flow will vary
with the opening of the valve. Just put out your cigarette befor you chek
it each time as you could achiev orbit if the flame has gone out and you
light it when the thing is full of gas.



If you want to lower the temp below minimum you really need a smaller
burner so the flame doesn't go too low. Maybe replace the big burner
with a bunsen burner?

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:43:19 GMT, "Darek Fisk"
wrote:

I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves (low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.

Well, if you were to use the same burners then the needle valve should
be placed after the the regulator and before the valve in the BBQ.
But, the burners and valves are made to operate at a minimum pressure.
The gas must exit the orofice with sufficient velocity to mix properly
with the air. If the gas moves too slow then the flame won't burn very
clean. Can you instead remove one of the orofices and shrink the hole?
It probably has a brass orofice. Using a small ball bearing placed
over the hole and tapping it gently with a hammer will reduce the
orofice diameter. If it was me, I'd go to the store and buy a cheap,
small BBQ and remove the burner and valve assembly. Then, mounting
this assembly in you larger BBQ should give you a burner system
designed to have a lower BTU output and still burn properly. Also,
since you would be using a complete system there should be less chance
of the burner blowing out at the low setting, which could, and
probably will in a windy spot, happen if you run the larger burners
much lower than their designed output. If you don't think any of these
solutions can be done by yourself and still insure safety then maybe
an electric burner would be best for you to use.
ERS

"Darek Fisk" wrote in message
news:HKrye.1868503$6l.662493@pd7tw2no...
I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking.

Instead of risking life and limb by messing with your regulator and gas
supply, why not try propping the lid of your grill open a small amount to
bleed off some of the excess heat? Experiment to get it right. If you're
also concerned about the direct heat from the flame, that can be controlled
by placing your food over an unlit burner and/or using aluminum foil or a
tray under your food.

Or, you could get yourself a nice charcoal-fired grill for some really tasty
slow-cooking!

- Michael

Since you say you can drop the temperature to 180 degrees, it sounds as
if you ought to be able to accomplish a 225 degree level. I don't
understand exactly how you are doing this. My barbeque is simple
minded and has no safety features.

Some barbeque regulators have a cap that can be removed and the
pressure setting of the regulator changed. You might check that.

Dan

Darek Fisk wrote:

I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased.

Thank you for response.

I think I would just plug every other hole in the burner (maybe small
pop-rivets?) so you have half as many flames... and leave the regulator
alone. You can always (carefully) drill the rivets out if you need more
heat... or add more if you need less heat.
David



"Darek Fisk" wrote in message
news:HKrye.1868503$6l.662493@pd7tw2no...
I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with
knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install
the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves
(low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.

"Darek Fisk" wrote in message
news:HKrye.1868503$6l.662493@pd7tw2no...
I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made
for
LPG) in to BBQ.
I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min
setting)
down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with
knob-valves
open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives
me
about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let
me
adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range
lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to
install the
needle valve - between the tank and the existing fixed regulator (high
pressure side) or between existing fixed regulator and the knob valves
(low
pressure side)?
Thank you for response.



Best option would be to install a smaller burner. I did this in my Weber
by using the parts from a cheap Coleman stove, used one burner and can
drop the temp in my Genesis down to a constant 200 with no problem.
Also am adding a smoker unit to the side of it so I can used solid wood
as well as gas in the same grill.



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Nick Hull wrote:

In article ,
"Tom Miller" wrote:


open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives

me

about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased. I am
thinking
about installing needle valve (have one) but I am not sure if this let

me

adjust the propane flow so I can regulate temperature in the range lower
than my present minimum. And where would be the better place to install


Its your funeral, so, if you decide to do it,put the valve on the downstream
side of the regulator. The pressure will be constant, so the flow will vary
with the opening of the valve. Just put out your cigarette befor you chek
it each time as you could achiev orbit if the flame has gone out and you
light it when the thing is full of gas.




If you want to lower the temp below minimum you really need a smaller
burner so the flame doesn't go too low. Maybe replace the big burner
with a bunsen burner?

Smokers do this all the time. My smoker has a burner about the size of my
fist. That is a large cast ring of fire. The input air - funnel - naturally!

I have a valve below the regulator - as all BBQ's do - and it is adjusted for
the 200's normally to do smokes. It is a small 'tower' tube design.

I think the head must stay hot and able to self start any live gas that might
get out.

The whole burner is in a wind proof column of air.

The flame runs long when running it up - but once hot - it is cut back and is blue.

Martin

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"DeepDiver" wrote in message
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| "Darek Fisk" wrote in message
| news:HKrye.1868503$6l.662493@pd7tw2no...
| I would like to ask for an advice on installing a needle valve (made for
| LPG) in to BBQ.
| I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
| down to 225F to do some slow cooking.
|
| Instead of risking life and limb by messing with your regulator and gas
| supply, why not try propping the lid of your grill open a small amount to
| bleed off some of the excess heat? Experiment to get it right.


Yes, I do it at times I don't use wood to get smoked flavor. Lifting the
cover removes most of smoke as I run very light (almost invisible) smoke.

I If you're
| also concerned about the direct heat from the flame, that can be
controlled
| by placing your food over an unlit burner and/or using aluminum foil or a
| tray under your food.

Yes, I use indirect cooking by igniting the burner to the side of the food
but for fish it is still to hot unless I trip the regulator.

|
| Or, you could get yourself a nice charcoal-fired grill for some really
tasty
| slow-cooking!
|
| - Michael

I know it is not real BBQ but because of ease of use I would prefer to
stick to propane.

wrote in message
oups.com...
| Since you say you can drop the temperature to 180 degrees, it sounds as
| if you ought to be able to accomplish a 225 degree level. I don't
| understand exactly how you are doing this. My barbeque is simple
| minded and has no safety features.

It is a newer type regulator. If I open knob-valves first and then turn
valve on the tank open, regulator senses this and restricts flow of propane
but does not cut it completely off. The flame runs fine with no incidents of
going out and temp on the grid keeps steady at 180F. But it is non
adjustable because pressure [flow?] at this point is below controlling
capacity of knob-valves and factory regulator is cramp-assembled.

|
| Some barbeque regulators have a cap that can be removed and the
| pressure setting of the regulator changed. You might check that.
|
| Dan
|
| Darek Fisk wrote:
|
| I need to lower the temp on my BBQ from about 275F (present min setting)
| down to 225F to do some slow cooking. By opening tank valve with
knob-valves
| open I can trip safety on my tank regulator in to slow flow what gives
me
| about 180F but it is non adjustable and can not be increased.
|
| Thank you for response.
|

It is an option I would consider. It involves more work and investment but
it is worth a try.
Many thanks to you and to everybody on this group for your input.

I"Steve W." wrote in message
...
| Best option would be to install a smaller burner. I did this in my Weber
| by using the parts from a cheap Coleman stove, used one burner and can
| drop the temp in my Genesis down to a constant 200 with no problem.
| Also am adding a smoker unit to the side of it so I can used solid wood
| as well as gas in the same grill.
|
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Since it runs fine at this much lower level, I can't see why you would
need a smaller burner. I think you can just put the valve in the line
after the regulator. You probably don't need anything as fancy as a
needle valve. A stopcock should work well.

Dan

Darek Fisk wrote:


It is a newer type regulator. If I open knob-valves first and then turn
valve on the tank open, regulator senses this and restricts flow of propane
but does not cut it completely off. The flame runs fine with no incidents of
going out and temp on the grid keeps steady at 180F. But it is non
adjustable because pressure [flow?] at this point is below controlling
capacity of knob-valves and factory regulator is cramp-assembled.