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OT Another republican heard from
Who can identify the author of this particular comment:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid ." Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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jim rozen wrote:
Who can identify the author of this particular comment: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid ." Jim Eisenhower.. |
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"jim rozen" wrote in message ... Who can identify the author of this particular comment: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid ." Jim They're not abolishing it, they're privatizing it! If they're stupid, they're stupid all the way to the bank. The rank and file is another matter, although they are more ignorant and manipulated than stupid. |
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"db" wrote in message . net... In article , says... The Republicans are going to be around for a long time. That is until the Whigs come back to reassert themselves. Ever since Millard Fillmore they have been laying low just waiting to once again rise to power. After all without the leadership of the Whigs, California might have never become a state. He also sent off Perry to open Japan to trade. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
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On 21 May 2005 17:43:36 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: Who can identify the author of this particular comment: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid ." Jim Eisenhower Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 01:07:48 GMT, db wrote:
In article , says... Who can identify the author of this particular comment: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid ." Jim Eisenhower, but over estimated the intelligence of the American voter. The Republicans are going to be around for a long time. And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. |
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Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. What, has David Dukes changed parties again? -- FF |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:36:26 GMT, Bob Yates
wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. Interesting point indeed. And deadly accurate. Of course its noted that Old Byrd..the main man of the Democratic party was a Grand Kleagle in the KKK. And of course, its been the Democrats who have promoted such odious racist legislation for so many years. What other group has been actively promoted a political agenda that caused so many blacks to HAVE to depend on their Democrat Massa's? And of course it was the Republicans, from Lincoln forward who were the Civil Rights leaders, while the Dems were first and formost, bigoted racists of the worst kind. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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In article , Gunner says...
...You Dems worship your racists, ... No, we really worship and long for politicians with brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote: On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote: Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. What, has David Dukes changed parties again? Did Byrd?, Snicker.... Btw...as you should note..Dukes is considered a fringe nutcase, even by the most conservative. You Dems worship your racists, Like Byrd. 'You Dems'? -- FF |
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No, we really worship and long for politicians with
brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing. Jim Ya like Al (alpha male ) Gore, and Howard (I've got a scream) Dean, and of coarse Ted (drown em, and leave em) Kennedy! |
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On 22 May 2005 18:25:32 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... ...You Dems worship your racists, ... No, we really worship and long for politicians with brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing. Jim So how come the last one you elected was Eisenhower? Chuckle.... Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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In article 4Rcke.43786$Qp.32563@fed1read04, Randy H. says...
No, we really worship and long for politicians with brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing. Ya like Al (alpha male ) Gore, and Howard (I've got a scream) Dean, and of coarse Ted (drown em, and leave em) Kennedy! Notice I didn't make any party references? I'm not very pleased with either of them right now. Don't tell gunner. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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snip
The Republicans are going to be around for a long time. snip No longer than the house stands. There is an old saying, attributed to various ethnic groups, "don't spit in the soup, we all gotta eat. A review of the government's own socio-economic data such as the GINI index and poverty rates shows that control of the real wealth is becoming concentrated in an every smaller fraction of the population. This concentration has been a leading indicator if not a precursor for every economic crash/panic back to the civil war and currently the concentration is significantly higher than in 1929. As a follow-on, it is by no means clear to me that there has been **ANY** increase in real wealth, as most people understand it. As far as it can be determined, the claimed corporate earnings are increasingly based on the cobwebs and moonbeams of "mark to myth" derivatives, off-shore special purpose entities, tax evasion schemes, and unloading their pension obligations and other debt onto the American taxpayers and/or stiffing their creditors and retirees. GmcD |
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Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Mon,
23 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote: Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. What, has David Dukes changed parties again? Did Byrd?, Snicker.... Btw...as you should note..Dukes is considered a fringe nutcase, even by the most conservative. You Dems worship your racists, Like Byrd. It was the Louisiana Governor election in 1992 (iirc), when the popular bumper sticker was "Vote for the Crook, it is important." Probably the only time the Republican State organization with held support for the "Republicans" candidate, David Duke in this case. (Only the left-liberal Democrats would consider David Duke a "typical republican".) Oh, and the Democrat candidate, he really was a crook. With a conviction for corruption while in office. Given the choice between a corrupt politician and a racist, even the Cajun state went with the crook. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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The ones I saw read
Vote for the lizard instead of the wizard -- its important. Buzz was that the "people" could then impeach the lizard after the election. GmcD On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:10:08 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Mon, 23 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote: Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. What, has David Dukes changed parties again? Did Byrd?, Snicker.... Btw...as you should note..Dukes is considered a fringe nutcase, even by the most conservative. You Dems worship your racists, Like Byrd. It was the Louisiana Governor election in 1992 (iirc), when the popular bumper sticker was "Vote for the Crook, it is important." Probably the only time the Republican State organization with held support for the "Republicans" candidate, David Duke in this case. (Only the left-liberal Democrats would consider David Duke a "typical republican".) Oh, and the Democrat candidate, he really was a crook. With a conviction for corruption while in office. Given the choice between a corrupt politician and a racist, even the Cajun state went with the crook. tschus pyotr |
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:29:51 -0700, F. George McDuffee
wrote: snip The Republicans are going to be around for a long time. snip No longer than the house stands. There is an old saying, attributed to various ethnic groups, "don't spit in the soup, we all gotta eat. A review of the government's own socio-economic data such as the GINI index and poverty rates shows that control of the real wealth is becoming concentrated in an every smaller fraction of the population. This concentration has been a leading indicator if not a precursor for every economic crash/panic back to the civil war and currently the concentration is significantly higher than in 1929. As a follow-on, it is by no means clear to me that there has been **ANY** increase in real wealth, as most people understand it. As far as it can be determined, the claimed corporate earnings are increasingly based on the cobwebs and moonbeams of "mark to myth" derivatives, off-shore special purpose entities, tax evasion schemes, and unloading their pension obligations and other debt onto the American taxpayers and/or stiffing their creditors and retirees. GmcD And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible for most of those. 40 yrs of Democrat controlled government ........ Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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Follow-ups to: alt.politics
pyotr filipivich wrote: Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Mon, 23 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote: Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. What, has David Dukes changed parties again? Did Byrd?, Snicker.... Nope, he stayed a Democrat. .... It was the Louisiana Governor election in 1992 (iirc), when the popular bumper sticker was "Vote for the Crook, it is important." Probably the only time the Republican State organization with held support for the "Republicans" candidate, David Duke in this case. (Only the left-liberal Democrats would consider David Duke a "typical republican".) I know a couple of folks you might call left-liberal Democrats and can assure you that even they don't consider Dukes to have been a typical Republican. I merely note that when he chose to enter mainstream politics he chose to run as a Republican instead of joining the Democrats as had his ilk over the previous century or so. Oh, and the Democrat candidate, he really was a crook. With a conviction for corruption while in office. Given the choice between a corrupt politician and a racist, even the Cajun state went with the crook. Good for them. I am also grateful to that ass, Frank Buchanon for running against GH Bush in the 1992 election. Buchanon finished second in all the primaries, pushing Dukes back to an even more distant third, and thus depriving Dukes of almost all publicity. -- FF |
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Gunner wrote: On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:36:26 GMT, Bob Yates wrote: Gunner wrote: And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast. Gunner Gunner; don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was. Befor or after his election? Interesting point indeed. And deadly accurate. Of course its noted that Old Byrd..the main man of the Democratic party was a Grand Kleagle in the KKK. And of course, its been the Democrats who have promoted such odious racist legislation for so many years. IRT Byrd one could argue that there is no saint like a reformed sinner, or that he is a blackheart of the worse sort. I expect the truth is somewhere in between. What other group has been actively promoted a political agenda that caused so many blacks to HAVE to depend on their Democrat Massa's? And of course it was the Republicans, from Lincoln forward who were the Civil Rights leaders, while the Dems were first and formost, bigoted racists of the worst kind. As long as we're dumping on racists, how about Woodrow Wilson? I've read that it was he who first segregated the US Navy. -- FF |
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In article , Gunner says...
And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible Aww, go on gunner, don't be modest. According to you and all his buddies, 'ol georgie was never responsible for *anything*. This is the reverse inverse convolution of Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" sign. GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 23 May 2005 14:29:05 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible Aww, go on gunner, don't be modest. According to you and all his buddies, 'ol georgie was never responsible for *anything*. This is the reverse inverse convolution of Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" sign. GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Jim Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. "I did not..have sex with that woman..." Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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In article , Gunner says...
GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong. At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong. At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old. Surely you jest. Some of them still blame FDR. It is surprising that more of them don't blame LBJ, he proved that admitting Texas to the Union was a mistake. -- FF |
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On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong. I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for whatever went wrong. At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old. Jim Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe him..will be remembered for a very long time. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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In article , Gunner says...
I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for whatever went wrong. I think you got this wrong. It's the citizens who are laying blame for Bush's fiscal policies, among other issues. Do you see a lot of partisan finger-pointing on the part of the democrats in government right now? I would say quite the opposite, the senate is all playing nice in the sandbox at the present, right and left compromising and all. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:53:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake: On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong. I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for whatever went wrong. History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up. Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no small-town screwup. At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old. Jim Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe him..will be remembered for a very long time. But some memories are short. The fidiot has already made millions on his speaking tour, book, etc. sigh He and Billary sure showed us how to squeak out of all sorts of legal entanglements, didn't they? Slick and O.J. Well, at least Cochran got his karma fairly quickly. And when I think about Billary in '08, I shudder -bone- deep. P.S: Watch your mailbox. I think you'll enjoy these. - The only reason I would take up exercising is || http://diversify.com so that I could hear heavy breathing again. || Programmed Websites |
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On 24 May 2005 04:55:49 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for whatever went wrong. I think you got this wrong. It's the citizens who are laying blame for Bush's fiscal policies, among other issues. Do you see a lot of partisan finger-pointing on the part of the democrats in government right now? Christ yes. You live in a cave or something? I would say quite the opposite, the senate is all playing nice in the sandbox at the present, right and left compromising and all. Jim Really? On what planet was that again? Or are you claiming that the 12 moderates coming up with a deal on the judicial nominations thing is status quo? Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:31:10 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:53:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner spake: On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk. Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong. I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for whatever went wrong. History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up. Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no small-town screwup. Ayup..just look at FDR, and LBJ. At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old. Jim Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe him..will be remembered for a very long time. But some memories are short. The fidiot has already made millions on his speaking tour, book, etc. sigh He and Billary sure showed us how to squeak out of all sorts of legal entanglements, didn't they? Slick and O.J. Well, at least Cochran got his karma fairly quickly. And when I think about Billary in '08, I shudder -bone- deep. P.S: Watch your mailbox. I think you'll enjoy these. - The only reason I would take up exercising is || http://diversify.com so that I could hear heavy breathing again. || Programmed Websites "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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In article , Larry Jaques says...
History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up. Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no small-town screwup. But that was Bill's fault!! g Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote in
: Most conservatives hold LBJ in contempt, both for his politics/agendas and for his ****ing up the war in Vietnam, and killing so many good men. LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. As the protoge of both FDR and Sam Rayburn, LBJ was a radical liberal who only masqueraded as a moderate. All the "Social Programs" attributed to JFK were _dead_ until LBJ "steamrollered" Congress into passing them "as a memorial to our beloved President". |
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In article , RAM^3 says...
LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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- - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX jim rozen wrote: In article , RAM^3 says... LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget. Jim So the definition of a Liberal is "Spendthrift"? Isn't that pretty much what we've been saying all along? |
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On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , RAM^3 says... LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget. Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim... |
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In article , Dave Hinz says...
On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , RAM^3 says... LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget. Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim... Hmm. We must have been *close* at some point in the past. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"jim rozen" wrote in message
... In article , Dave Hinz says... On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , RAM^3 says... LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong. Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget. Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim... Hmm. We must have been *close* at some point in the past. Jim Not since January of 1961 - and, even then, we still had a National Debt left over from WW2 and Korea. As to a "true" set of "balanced books", you'd have to go back to January, 1933, when FDR took office and the Democrats started to spend the country out of "The Great Depression". |
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