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Who can identify the author of this particular comment:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social
security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws
and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again
in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group,
of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them
are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
politician or business man from other areas. Their number is
negligible and they are stupid ."

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jim rozen wrote:

Who can identify the author of this particular comment:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social
security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws
and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again
in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group,
of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them
are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
politician or business man from other areas. Their number is
negligible and they are stupid ."

Jim


Eisenhower..
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Who can identify the author of this particular comment:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social
security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws
and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again
in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group,
of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them
are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
politician or business man from other areas. Their number is
negligible and they are stupid ."

Jim

They're not abolishing it, they're privatizing it! If they're stupid,
they're stupid all the way to the bank. The rank and file is another matter,
although they are more ignorant and manipulated than stupid.


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On 21 May 2005 17:43:36 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

Who can identify the author of this particular comment:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social
security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws
and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again
in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group,
of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them
are ... a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
politician or business man from other areas. Their number is
negligible and they are stupid ."

Jim


Eisenhower

Gunner

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the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast.
Gunner


Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of
Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.

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Bob Yates wrote:
Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water

fast.
Gunner


Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at

the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of


Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.


What, has David Dukes changed parties again?

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On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:36:26 GMT, Bob Yates
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Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast.
Gunner


Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of
Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.


Interesting point indeed. And deadly accurate. Of course its noted
that Old Byrd..the main man of the Democratic party was a Grand
Kleagle in the KKK. And of course, its been the Democrats who have
promoted such odious racist legislation for so many years.

What other group has been actively promoted a political agenda that
caused so many blacks to HAVE to depend on their Democrat Massa's?

And of course it was the Republicans, from Lincoln forward who were
the Civil Rights leaders, while the Dems were first and formost,
bigoted racists of the worst kind.

Gunner

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the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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...You Dems worship your racists, ...


No, we really worship and long for politicians with
brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt,
Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing.

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No, we really worship and long for politicians with
brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt,
Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing.

Jim



Ya like Al (alpha male ) Gore, and Howard (I've got a scream) Dean, and of
coarse Ted (drown em, and leave em) Kennedy!


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On 22 May 2005 18:25:32 -0700, jim rozen
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In article , Gunner says...

...You Dems worship your racists, ...


No, we really worship and long for politicians with
brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt,
Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing.

Jim


So how come the last one you elected was Eisenhower?

Chuckle....

Gunner

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the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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In article 4Rcke.43786$Qp.32563@fed1read04, Randy H. says...

No, we really worship and long for politicians with
brains, ethics, and vision. Theodore Roosevelt,
Dwight Eisenhower. Taht sort of thing.


Ya like Al (alpha male ) Gore, and Howard (I've got a scream) Dean, and of
coarse Ted (drown em, and leave em) Kennedy!


Notice I didn't make any party references?

I'm not very pleased with either of them right now. Don't
tell gunner.

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snip
The Republicans are going to be around for a long time.

snip
No longer than the house stands.

There is an old saying, attributed to various ethnic groups,
"don't spit in the soup, we all gotta eat.

A review of the government's own socio-economic data such as the
GINI index and poverty rates shows that control of the real
wealth is becoming concentrated in an every smaller fraction of
the population. This concentration has been a leading indicator
if not a precursor for every economic crash/panic back to the
civil war and currently the concentration is significantly higher
than in 1929.

As a follow-on, it is by no means clear to me that there has been
**ANY** increase in real wealth, as most people understand it.

As far as it can be determined, the claimed corporate earnings
are increasingly based on the cobwebs and moonbeams of "mark to
myth" derivatives, off-shore special purpose entities, tax
evasion schemes, and unloading their pension obligations and
other debt onto the American taxpayers and/or stiffing their
creditors and retirees.

GmcD

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The ones I saw read

Vote for the lizard instead of the wizard -- its important.

Buzz was that the "people" could then impeach the lizard after
the election.

GmcD


On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:10:08 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Mon,
23 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote:


Bob Yates wrote:
Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water fast.
Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members of

Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.

What, has David Dukes changed parties again?


Did Byrd?, Snicker....

Btw...as you should note..Dukes is considered a fringe nutcase, even
by the most conservative. You Dems worship your racists, Like Byrd.


It was the Louisiana Governor election in 1992 (iirc), when the popular
bumper sticker was "Vote for the Crook, it is important." Probably the
only time the Republican State organization with held support for the
"Republicans" candidate, David Duke in this case. (Only the left-liberal
Democrats would consider David Duke a "typical republican".)
Oh, and the Democrat candidate, he really was a crook. With a
conviction for corruption while in office.
Given the choice between a corrupt politician and a racist, even the
Cajun state went with the crook.


tschus
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:29:51 -0700, F. George McDuffee
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snip
The Republicans are going to be around for a long time.

snip
No longer than the house stands.

There is an old saying, attributed to various ethnic groups,
"don't spit in the soup, we all gotta eat.

A review of the government's own socio-economic data such as the
GINI index and poverty rates shows that control of the real
wealth is becoming concentrated in an every smaller fraction of
the population. This concentration has been a leading indicator
if not a precursor for every economic crash/panic back to the
civil war and currently the concentration is significantly higher
than in 1929.

As a follow-on, it is by no means clear to me that there has been
**ANY** increase in real wealth, as most people understand it.

As far as it can be determined, the claimed corporate earnings
are increasingly based on the cobwebs and moonbeams of "mark to
myth" derivatives, off-shore special purpose entities, tax
evasion schemes, and unloading their pension obligations and
other debt onto the American taxpayers and/or stiffing their
creditors and retirees.

GmcD


And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible
for most of those. 40 yrs of Democrat controlled government ........

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on

Mon,
23 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On 22 May 2005 15:59:13 -0700, wrote:


Bob Yates wrote:
Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on

water fast.
Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look

at the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic

members of

Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.

What, has David Dukes changed parties again?


Did Byrd?, Snicker....


Nope, he stayed a Democrat.

....

It was the Louisiana Governor election in 1992 (iirc), when the

popular
bumper sticker was "Vote for the Crook, it is important." Probably

the
only time the Republican State organization with held support for the
"Republicans" candidate, David Duke in this case. (Only the

left-liberal
Democrats would consider David Duke a "typical republican".)


I know a couple of folks you might call left-liberal Democrats and can
assure you that even they don't consider Dukes to have been a typical
Republican.

I merely note that when he chose to enter mainstream politics he chose
to run as a Republican instead of joining the Democrats as had his
ilk over the previous century or so.

Oh, and the Democrat candidate, he really was a crook. With a
conviction for corruption while in office.
Given the choice between a corrupt politician and a racist, even the
Cajun state went with the crook.


Good for them. I am also grateful to that ass, Frank Buchanon for
running against GH Bush in the 1992 election. Buchanon finished
second in all the primaries, pushing Dukes back to an even more
distant third, and thus depriving Dukes of almost all publicity.

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Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:36:26 GMT, Bob Yates
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
And the Democratic Party is down by the bow, and taking on water

fast.
Gunner


Gunner;
don't you realize that they are returning to their roots. Look at

the
judges that they are blocking, soon we will see Democratic members

of
Congress being sworn into the KKK, like President Harding was.


Befor or after his election?


Interesting point indeed. And deadly accurate. Of course its noted
that Old Byrd..the main man of the Democratic party was a Grand
Kleagle in the KKK. And of course, its been the Democrats who have
promoted such odious racist legislation for so many years.


IRT Byrd one could argue that there is no saint like a reformed sinner,
or that he is a blackheart of the worse sort. I expect the truth
is somewhere in between.


What other group has been actively promoted a political agenda that
caused so many blacks to HAVE to depend on their Democrat Massa's?

And of course it was the Republicans, from Lincoln forward who were
the Civil Rights leaders, while the Dems were first and formost,
bigoted racists of the worst kind.


As long as we're dumping on racists, how about Woodrow Wilson?
I've read that it was he who first segregated the US Navy.

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In article , Gunner says...

And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible


Aww, go on gunner, don't be modest. According to you and all his
buddies, 'ol georgie was never responsible for *anything*. This
is the reverse inverse convolution of Truman's "The Buck Stops Here"
sign.

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.

Jim


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On 23 May 2005 14:29:05 -0700, jim rozen
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In article , Gunner says...

And one should NOT lose sight of the fact that Bush is NOT responsible


Aww, go on gunner, don't be modest. According to you and all his
buddies, 'ol georgie was never responsible for *anything*. This
is the reverse inverse convolution of Truman's "The Buck Stops Here"
sign.

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.

Jim


Borrowed from Bubba no doubt. "I did not..have sex with that
woman..."

Gunner


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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In article , Gunner says...

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.


Borrowed from Bubba no doubt.


I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to
get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and
then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong.

At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all
dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old.

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jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner

says...

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.


Borrowed from Bubba no doubt.


I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to
get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and
then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong.

At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all
dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old.


Surely you jest. Some of them still blame FDR.

It is surprising that more of them don't blame LBJ, he proved
that admitting Texas to the Union was a mistake.

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On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.


Borrowed from Bubba no doubt.


I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to
get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and
then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong.


I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the
idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for
whatever went wrong.

At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all
dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old.

Jim


Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will
also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The
Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe
him..will be remembered for a very long time.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
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In article , Gunner says...

I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the
idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for
whatever went wrong.


I think you got this wrong. It's the citizens who are laying
blame for Bush's fiscal policies, among other issues. Do you
see a lot of partisan finger-pointing on the part of the democrats
in government right now?

I would say quite the opposite, the senate is all playing nice
in the sandbox at the present, right and left compromising and
all.

Jim


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On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:53:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.


Borrowed from Bubba no doubt.


I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to
get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and
then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong.


I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the
idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for
whatever went wrong.


History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up.
Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no
small-town screwup.


At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all
dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old.

Jim


Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will
also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The
Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe
him..will be remembered for a very long time.


But some memories are short. The fidiot has already made millions on
his speaking tour, book, etc. sigh He and Billary sure showed us
how to squeak out of all sorts of legal entanglements, didn't they?
Slick and O.J. Well, at least Cochran got his karma fairly quickly.

And when I think about Billary in '08, I shudder -bone- deep.

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On 24 May 2005 04:55:49 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the
idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for
whatever went wrong.


I think you got this wrong. It's the citizens who are laying
blame for Bush's fiscal policies, among other issues. Do you
see a lot of partisan finger-pointing on the part of the democrats
in government right now?


Christ yes. You live in a cave or something?

I would say quite the opposite, the senate is all playing nice
in the sandbox at the present, right and left compromising and
all.

Jim


Really? On what planet was that again? Or are you claiming that the
12 moderates coming up with a deal on the judicial nominations thing
is status quo?

Gunner

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the world has a long way to go to regain
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:31:10 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:53:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On 23 May 2005 17:41:48 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

GWB has one that says "I Diddin DO It!" on his desk.

Borrowed from Bubba no doubt.

I think the (republican) politicians are just gonna have to
get over the idea that they can screw up ad infinitum, and
then just blame Bill for whatever went wrong.


I think the (demonrat) politicians are just gonna hve to get over the
idea that they can screw up ad infinitum and then just blame Bush for
whatever went wrong.


History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up.
Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no
small-town screwup.


Ayup..just look at FDR, and LBJ.


At some point the folks who remember clinton will be all
dead and buried, at that point it's gonna get old.

Jim


Hitler is still a curse word. William Jefferson "Bubba" Clinton will
also be for a very long time. The Teflon President. Slick Willy. The
Slickmeister. Anyone who actually had new terms invented to discribe
him..will be remembered for a very long time.


But some memories are short. The fidiot has already made millions on
his speaking tour, book, etc. sigh He and Billary sure showed us
how to squeak out of all sorts of legal entanglements, didn't they?
Slick and O.J. Well, at least Cochran got his karma fairly quickly.

And when I think about Billary in '08, I shudder -bone- deep.

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In article , Larry Jaques says...

History will show that Shrub took his place at screwing up.
Singlehandedly doubling the trillions in Federal Deficit is no
small-town screwup.


But that was Bill's fault!!

g

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Gunner wrote in
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Most conservatives hold LBJ in contempt, both for his politics/agendas
and for his ****ing up the war in Vietnam, and killing so many good
men.


LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.

As the protoge of both FDR and Sam Rayburn, LBJ was a radical liberal who
only masqueraded as a moderate.

All the "Social Programs" attributed to JFK were _dead_ until LBJ
"steamrollered" Congress into passing them "as a memorial to our beloved
President".



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In article , RAM^3 says...

LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.


Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending
money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken
sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget.

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jim rozen wrote:
In article , RAM^3 says...


LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.



Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending
money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken
sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget.

Jim


So the definition of a Liberal is "Spendthrift"?
Isn't that pretty much what we've been saying all along?
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On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , RAM^3 says...

LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.


Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending
money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken
sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget.


Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim...
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In article , Dave Hinz says...

On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , RAM^3 says...

LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.


Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending
money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken
sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget.


Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim...


Hmm. We must have been *close* at some point in the past.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Hinz says...

On 24 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , RAM^3
says...

LBJ was no more a Conservative than was Mao Zedong.

Neither is GWB. He and his administration are spending
money they don't have, like the proverbial drunken
sailor. Oh for the days of the balanced federal budget.


Well, that hasn't happened for many decades, Jim...


Hmm. We must have been *close* at some point in the past.

Jim


Not since January of 1961 - and, even then, we still had a National Debt
left over from WW2 and Korea.

As to a "true" set of "balanced books", you'd have to go back to January,
1933, when FDR took office and the Democrats started to spend the country
out of "The Great Depression".


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