Cats are too stupid to read.

Now that's a fallacy. My cats can read. Granted, not on the level of a rat,
but they get by.

KLS wrote:
Actually, though, it's dog owners I have a problem with. Very odd mind set.
What sort of sick individual takes a pet, on a leash, off their own
property, stops to let it crap on someone else's property, and then acts
indignant when told you clean it up?


I walk my dog off the leash and let her **** where she will. She's smart enough
not to **** in my yard. And if somebody complains, I'll just let her eat them
alive. She'll do it, too.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

KLS wrote:
No. I despise dog ****, including that of my own dogs, and I clean up
their **** in the back yard regularly. Few things **** me off more
than to see someone else's dog **** in my front yard. I also walk the
two dogs in our city neighborhoods and parks every day for a couple of
miles, which translates to lots of poop opportunities, and I bring AT
LEAST 2 poop bags with me. I like the blue newspaper bags the best.


Preferably with somebody else's newspaper still in it.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

(Doug Miller) wrote in
. com:

In article , KLS
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:15:15 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , "Doug Kanter"
wrote:
Actually, though, it's dog owners I have a problem with. Very odd
mind set. What sort of sick individual takes a pet, on a leash, off
their own property, stops to let it crap on someone else's property,
and then acts indignant when told you clean it up?

Not sick, just selfish and thoughtless.

Yes, and they should be forced to eat their dog's **** if they won't
clean it up immediately after deposit.

Now *that* is sick.

Throw it at them, I can see... but make them eat it?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his
butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?


I like to smear it all over things that they put their hands on.
Door knobs,car door handles.

I had an absolutely gorgeous neighbor with a sheepdog that she tied up
right at the bottom of the stairs where it crapped.After stepping in it,I
began chucking the crap onto her patio.She got all indignant,claimed it
wasn't HER dog's crap,than it was *unsanitary* for me to put it on HER
patio. (like it's not for me to step in it and track it through my place)
She moved out after 6 months(due to me),got a house somewhere. I didn't
miss the mutt,but she was SUCH a looker! VERY voluptuous.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"xrongor" wrote in message
...
see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live.

Agreed.

It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Of course,there may be an exclusion for cats elsewhere,considering cats
control mice and rat populations,a benefit.

Yeah,so many people claim they have "verbal control" of a dog,what BS.
If they aren't on a leash,they CAN (and do)take off and harm someone.


Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.

For mine,more than many dog owners do for their pets.
He follows me around like a dog would. I have to take him for nightly
walks,too. ;-)


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical), it
is still illegal for you to shoot it.

Depends on the law where he lives. In many states (like NY), it is
LEGAL to kill an animal which is destroying food crops, even if
"crops" refers to a small vegetable garden. This is NOT to suggest
that it would be safe or smart to shoot anything in a typical
neighborhood. It almost never is, unless you're dealing with a dog
attack in progress. But in rural areas, quite a few animals,
including dogs, end up like Jimmy Hoffa.




Cats really do not destroy food crops.
They have no interest in veggies.
And the punishment should not be so great for such little "damage" they
could do.Not like a deer or rabbits eating the crops.

What do you folks do about birds??? Shotguns,poison?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

The Real Tom tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com wrote in
news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:42 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote:

see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live. It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical), it
is still illegal for you to shoot it.

No it's not.

Officer, he was charging at me, and I feared for my life. He could
have had rabies!

:-P

Heck,you could -kick- a cat away easily in that RARE event.
And you probably couldn't hit a fast-moving cat and your shots would end up
going thru a neighbors wall,or your foot.
I suspect discharging a firearm in urban areas for such a 'situation' would
get you charged with a crime.Maybe reckless endangerment.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Dee" wrote in message
...
Moth balls. Cats hate 'em.

How do you get their little legs apart?

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Now I have a little Furmonster which would gladly eat him.


My wife has one of those too!

Leave out a bowl of antifreeze for it.



"George Lucas" wrote in message
om...

"Andrew Neilson" wrote in message
...
Not to be a smartass, but get a dog, or at least see if you can 'borrow'
a
friend's dog.

or you could just get a "beware of dog" sign...

Moth balls. Cats hate 'em.

How do you get their little legs apart?

Q. What do you have if you have a moth ball in your right hand, and a moth
ball in your left hand?


A. A BIG moth.

Discharging fire arm in urban area will get you a visit by some
nervious and or ****ed cops, not the mention the danger to others,
however a good pellit gun will dispatch furry rats (squrrel) and be
quite aversive to cats and if not silent damm close.


On 1 Apr 2005 04:05:36 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

The Real Tom tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com wrote in
news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:42 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote:

see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live. It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical), it
is still illegal for you to shoot it.

No it's not.

Officer, he was charging at me, and I feared for my life. He could
have had rabies!

:-P

Heck,you could -kick- a cat away easily in that RARE event.
And you probably couldn't hit a fast-moving cat and your shots would end up
going thru a neighbors wall,or your foot.
I suspect discharging a firearm in urban areas for such a 'situation' would
get you charged with a crime.Maybe reckless endangerment.

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

Depends on the law where he lives. In many states (like NY), it is
LEGAL to kill an animal which is destroying food crops, even if
"crops" refers to a small vegetable garden. This is NOT to suggest
that it would be safe or smart to shoot anything in a typical
neighborhood. It almost never is, unless you're dealing with a dog
attack in progress. But in rural areas, quite a few animals,
including dogs, end up like Jimmy Hoffa.




Cats really do not destroy food crops.
They have no interest in veggies.
And the punishment should not be so great for such little "damage" they
could do.Not like a deer or rabbits eating the crops.

What do you folks do about birds??? Shotguns,poison?

I have no idea what farmers do about birds. I put netting over the few
things they mess with (strawberries, mostly).

An animal (or person) doesn't need to eat crops in order to destroy them.
Digging, trampling and ****ing can do quite a big of damage to a row of new
seedlings. That's why the law (here in NY) is not specific as to what type
of damage needs to happen before an animal can be sent to heaven (or hell,
in the case of dogs). Matter of fact, the only caveat in the law is that if
you're going to eliminate an animal which is subject to hunting season
regulations, and it's out of season, you have to first get a special permit.
I doubt this is actually done, but that's what it says.

I think the reason this situation is misunderstood is because most people
paint an incorrect mental picture. They see a 200 acre field of corn, and
three deer munching one tenth of one percent of that crop. They wonder how
this could possibly matter to the farmer. It doesn't matter, usually, and
the farmer has better things to do than stalk deer. He'll lose more than
that to raccoons. But, a NY DEC warden explained to me that the law was
actually written for the benefit of truck farmers (think "farmstand", too),
and people who are cultivating very small plots in order to put food on the
table.

If you need a demo, plant a 5 foot row of lettuce, which has very shallow
roots. Wait till it's about 1/2" high. Urinate on half the row a few times.
Dig around the other half, about as deeply as a dog might, right alongside
the row. Let me know how that goes.

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
...


I like to smear it all over things that they put their hands on.
Door knobs,car door handles.


:-) You're a sick individual. Have a beer!

Did that once to a neighbor whose dog was excavating my garden. Followed the
dog to his house several times, and explained this to the animal control
idiot, who did nothing after about a dozen complaints. Finally, scooped up
some of the crap, took it to the guy's house, lifted the windshield wiper of
his Corvette, and dropped the wiper right into the stuff. I never saw that
dog again.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:07:56 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

KLS wrote:
Actually, though, it's dog owners I have a problem with. Very odd mind set.
What sort of sick individual takes a pet, on a leash, off their own
property, stops to let it crap on someone else's property, and then acts
indignant when told you clean it up?


I walk my dog off the leash and let her **** where she will. She's smart enough
not to **** in my yard. And if somebody complains, I'll just let her eat them
alive. She'll do it, too.


huh?

cripes tom , were you dropped on the floor as a child?

" uriah wrote in
:

Discharging fire arm in urban area will get you a visit by some
nervious and or ****ed cops, not the mention the danger to others,
however a good pellit gun will dispatch furry rats (squrrel) and be
quite aversive to cats and if not silent damm close.

Pellets often penetrate skin,cause serious injuries;squirrels are one
thing,but someone's pet?


On 1 Apr 2005 04:05:36 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

The Real Tom tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com wrote in
news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:42 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote:

see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live. It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical),
it is still illegal for you to shoot it.

No it's not.

Officer, he was charging at me, and I feared for my life. He could
have had rabies!

:-P

Heck,you could -kick- a cat away easily in that RARE event.
And you probably couldn't hit a fast-moving cat and your shots would
end up going thru a neighbors wall,or your foot.
I suspect discharging a firearm in urban areas for such a 'situation'
would get you charged with a crime.Maybe reckless endangerment.



I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's better
if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the non-washable ones.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's better
if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say anything
except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their dog's ****.

wrote in message
oups.com...
cripes tom , were you dropped on the floor as a child?


He was uninjured. He landed on his head.

I swear by the sprinkler scarecrow:
keeps the egret out of the pond and the cat has gotten terrified by it and
now only CREEPS out by the pond till he is sure it is off. ;-)

http://store.yahoo.com/123ponds/scarecrow.html
--
____________________
Claudia
Totus Tuus
Remove never from posting address
and replace with period
to send private reply.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's
better if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the
non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say
anything except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their
dog's ****.




I thought about that,and you would get cited for assault or battery.
I'd LOVE to do it,though. B-)

PS;those PBs STING like the dickens,can leave bruises.
I recall reading about a kid who was killed by a PB shot to the head.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

I will generally complain to owner first but an animal on my property
that is noxious will be subject to behavior modification. If the cat
has a problem then the owner can take it to a vet. Also useful is a
shotgun with shells loaded with rock salt but these tend to be noisy
and attention actracting. I have a battery powered electric fence
around my garden (food) and it is usually effective enough so I do not
have to resort to more radical measures such as pepper gas (quart
size) or pellet gun. If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan



On 1 Apr 2005 15:40:27 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

" uriah wrote in
:

Discharging fire arm in urban area will get you a visit by some
nervious and or ****ed cops, not the mention the danger to others,
however a good pellit gun will dispatch furry rats (squrrel) and be
quite aversive to cats and if not silent damm close.

Pellets often penetrate skin,cause serious injuries;squirrels are one
thing,but someone's pet?


On 1 Apr 2005 04:05:36 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

The Real Tom tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com wrote in
news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:42 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote:

see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live. It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical),
it is still illegal for you to shoot it.

No it's not.

Officer, he was charging at me, and I feared for my life. He could
have had rabies!

:-P

Heck,you could -kick- a cat away easily in that RARE event.
And you probably couldn't hit a fast-moving cat and your shots would
end up going thru a neighbors wall,or your foot.
I suspect discharging a firearm in urban areas for such a 'situation'
would get you charged with a crime.Maybe reckless endangerment.



I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's better
if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the non-washable ones.

uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve

Open a can of tuna and crush rat poison or other poison in it. Or
grind up some prescription drugs like blood thinners or others and
mix. Poor kitty will take his **** somewhere else.


On 2 Apr 2005 02:56:17 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's
better if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the
non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say
anything except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their
dog's ****.




I thought about that,and you would get cited for assault or battery.
I'd LOVE to do it,though. B-)

PS;those PBs STING like the dickens,can leave bruises.
I recall reading about a kid who was killed by a PB shot to the head.

CatMan wrote in
:

Open a can of tuna and crush rat poison or other poison in it. Or
grind up some prescription drugs like blood thinners or others and
mix. Poor kitty will take his **** somewhere else.


Jeez,some people are KILL-crazy. Sick.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"SteveB" wrote in
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03:


uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .
"SteveB" wrote in
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03:


uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

That works good, but I prefer the ol car antifreeze. It takes a little
longer, but gets the job done well.

Wayfarin is good for the tuna bowl.

Small pieces of sponges soaked in bacon grease are also very effective.

Good luck.

"CatMan" wrote in message
...
Open a can of tuna and crush rat poison or other poison in it. Or
grind up some prescription drugs like blood thinners or others and
mix. Poor kitty will take his **** somewhere else.


On 2 Apr 2005 02:56:17 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's
better if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the
non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say
anything except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their
dog's ****.




I thought about that,and you would get cited for assault or battery.
I'd LOVE to do it,though. B-)

PS;those PBs STING like the dickens,can leave bruises.
I recall reading about a kid who was killed by a PB shot to the head.

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03...

uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve


They sure do in my yard!

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .
"SteveB" wrote in
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03:


uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik


Are you saying it is needlessly cruel to deal with a free roaming animal in
the country that is eating your stock? Killing something quickly is not
cruelty, as any farmer or rancher knows.

Steve

On 2 Apr 2005 23:26:02 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03:


uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very short
lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.


Cruel?

These animals aren't imoblized and starved to death in a bed.


:\

Those are great tips Oscar...thanks! Meeeeeeeeeeeeouch!


On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:50:31 GMT, "Oscar_Lives"
wrote:

That works good, but I prefer the ol car antifreeze. It takes a little
longer, but gets the job done well.

Wayfarin is good for the tuna bowl.

Small pieces of sponges soaked in bacon grease are also very effective.

Good luck.

"CatMan" wrote in message
.. .
Open a can of tuna and crush rat poison or other poison in it. Or
grind up some prescription drugs like blood thinners or others and
mix. Poor kitty will take his **** somewhere else.


On 2 Apr 2005 02:56:17 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's
better if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the
non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say
anything except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their
dog's ****.




I thought about that,and you would get cited for assault or battery.
I'd LOVE to do it,though. B-)

PS;those PBs STING like the dickens,can leave bruises.
I recall reading about a kid who was killed by a PB shot to the head.

"SteveB" wrote in
news:MdG3e.52656$AN1.5025@fed1read03:


"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .
"SteveB" wrote in
news:GCz3e.52409$AN1.16910@fed1read03:


uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very
short lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik


Are you saying it is needlessly cruel to deal with a free roaming
animal in the country that is eating your stock? Killing something
quickly is not cruelty, as any farmer or rancher knows.

Steve




There's a big difference between killing an animal eating farm stock and
killing a pet because it's a nuisance.(urban settings,too,not farms)
We have people here advocating putting out rat poison,and other cruel
methods with the intent to kill or seriously injure a neighborhood pet.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

I feel I've been misunderstood and want to make sure my position is
clear.
I had cats marking in my garage, patio, and bushes. They made things
smell and die and drove my inside dog crazy.
I researched and tried everything from shooing them to throwing a
tennis ball at them to Tabasco or cayenne pepper on the ground to water
spraying to traps to neighborhood notes to talking with owners. My
talk with owners resulted in exactly what my research showed: they
suddenly didn't like me and they did nothing about the problem. I was
nice, explaining about my dying bushes and smelly patio. I simply
asked if they thought we could do something about it. They said you
can't rein in a cat. That's true. If you let a cat outside, it will
wander around.
My local laws make it illegal for a dog or cat to be off its owner's
property without a leash or the owner's full command.
Only two things worked to keep cats out of my yard. The first worked
only partially. It was a trap from the humane society. It worked on
only one cat. The cat had no tags (another illegality). The humane
society said they would keep the cat for seven days for an owner to
claim it. Then it would be up for adoption for seven days. Then it
would be put down. The owner did not claim it. My research showed
this is typical.
The only other thing that worked to keep cats out of my yard worked
100% of the time. I shot them with a BB gun. It's legal to shoot BB
guns in my city. I shot the cats far enough away so as to not caused
injury other than a bruise, and away from the eyes and ears to prevent
blindness or deafness. I don't know whether it's legal to hit cats in
my city. I bet it is okay. After all, pinging or bruising a cat with
a BB is no more injurious than spanking. And people spank their cats
(although the usually punishment is a finger flick to the nose) all the
time with no outrage.

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
.. .

I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's
better if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the
non-washable ones.

Not a bad idea. :-) We could also mark the dog-walkers who say
anything except "Yes - right away" when instructed to pick up their
dog's ****.




I thought about that,and you would get cited for assault or battery.
I'd LOVE to do it,though. B-)

PS;those PBs STING like the dickens,can leave bruises.
I recall reading about a kid who was killed by a PB shot to the head.

That's not true. My 16 yr old son told me so, after I warned him about
wearing a helmet and goggles for the sport. Teenagers are always right. Or,
almost. When he got to the paintball place, they handed him a helmet with
goggles. He refused to look me in the eye at that moment. :-)

Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand you
have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the next
couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the garage.

uriah wrote in message ...
I will generally complain to owner first but an animal on my property
that is noxious will be subject to behavior modification. If the cat
has a problem then the owner can take it to a vet. Also useful is a
shotgun with shells loaded with rock salt but these tend to be noisy
and attention actracting. I have a battery powered electric fence
around my garden (food) and it is usually effective enough so I do not
have to resort to more radical measures such as pepper gas (quart
size) or pellet gun. If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan



On 1 Apr 2005 15:40:27 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

" uriah wrote in
m:

Discharging fire arm in urban area will get you a visit by some
nervious and or ****ed cops, not the mention the danger to others,
however a good pellit gun will dispatch furry rats (squrrel) and be
quite aversive to cats and if not silent damm close.

Pellets often penetrate skin,cause serious injuries;squirrels are one
thing,but someone's pet?


On 1 Apr 2005 04:05:36 GMT, Jim Yanik . wrote:

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:41:42 -0700, "xrongor"
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see you catching or transporting the cat. Cat owners who allow
their cats to illegally go off their property


Its NOT illegal.

Depends on where you live. It's illegal in my county. Here's the
excerpt from my county code:

Sec. 6-3. Animals at large.
(a) No person shall allow any animal to roam or stray or to
be off the keeper's premises unless it is at all times under
verbal control or physical restraint of a responsible person.

Unless of course you have the cat under verbal control.


whether its legal or not for the cat to stray (or even practical),
it is still illegal for you to shoot it.

No it's not.

Officer, he was charging at me, and I feared for my life. He could
have had rabies!

:-P

Heck,you could -kick- a cat away easily in that RARE event.
And you probably couldn't hit a fast-moving cat and your shots would
end up going thru a neighbors wall,or your foot.
I suspect discharging a firearm in urban areas for such a 'situation'
would get you charged with a crime.Maybe reckless endangerment.



I don't know why people don't try paintball guns.
Non-lethal,legal,and they mark the animal for identification. It's better
if you can get the paintballs that are for cattle,the non-washable ones.

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uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very
short lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik


Are you saying it is needlessly cruel to deal with a free roaming
animal in the country that is eating your stock? Killing something
quickly is not cruelty, as any farmer or rancher knows.

Steve




There's a big difference between killing an animal eating farm stock and
killing a pet because it's a nuisance.(urban settings,too,not farms)
We have people here advocating putting out rat poison,and other cruel
methods with the intent to kill or seriously injure a neighborhood pet.

"Pet" is just a word, Jim. It only has meaning to the owners, and the moment
they let their pet out the door unsupervised, the word loses all its
meaning. Now, it's just another animal.

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uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very
short lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik


Are you saying it is needlessly cruel to deal with a free roaming
animal in the country that is eating your stock? Killing something
quickly is not cruelty, as any farmer or rancher knows.

Steve




There's a big difference between killing an animal eating farm stock
and killing a pet because it's a nuisance.(urban settings,too,not
farms) We have people here advocating putting out rat poison,and
other cruel methods with the intent to kill or seriously injure a
neighborhood pet.

"Pet" is just a word, Jim. It only has meaning to the owners, and the
moment they let their pet out the door unsupervised, the word loses
all its meaning. Now, it's just another animal.




"Pet" does have meaning;a feral cat or dog is no one's pet.
These kill-crazy people know that the animal in their sights is somebody's
pet.They aren't "losing crops",either.

Unsupervised has nothing to do with it.
Many areas,cats are not required to be under "supervision" or on a leash.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
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uriah wrote

If you want to keep an animal in an urban area
keep it on a leash or fence in your yard.
Stan


Free roaming animals in an urban setting usually have a very very
short lifespan.

Steve




It's amazing how many people are needlessly cruel to animals.

--
Jim Yanik


Are you saying it is needlessly cruel to deal with a free roaming
animal in the country that is eating your stock? Killing something
quickly is not cruelty, as any farmer or rancher knows.

Steve




There's a big difference between killing an animal eating farm stock
and killing a pet because it's a nuisance.(urban settings,too,not
farms) We have people here advocating putting out rat poison,and
other cruel methods with the intent to kill or seriously injure a
neighborhood pet.

"Pet" is just a word, Jim. It only has meaning to the owners, and the
moment they let their pet out the door unsupervised, the word loses
all its meaning. Now, it's just another animal.




"Pet" does have meaning;a feral cat or dog is no one's pet.
These kill-crazy people know that the animal in their sights is somebody's
pet.They aren't "losing crops",either.

Unsupervised has nothing to do with it.
Many areas,cats are not required to be under "supervision" or on a leash.

Let's add a definition, then. If someone will cry or otherwise have a bad
day when a particular animal is killed, maybe you can call it a "pet". But,
that is of no significance to anyone but the person who will be upset.
Again, it's just a word. And, if they let it roam the neighborhood, they
probably wanted it dead anyway.

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Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand
you have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the
next couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the
garage.


Google Fi-Shock

They have several models. A basic one that plugs into an AC plug and steps
down the electricity is about $30, and all you need. You then run two wires
off the unit (about 4"x6"x3") to what you want to electrify. Sometimes one
of the leads goes to ground. Sometimes, you might want to use two parallel
strips of metal screening on a wood porch to get them when they are walking
in. I like putting one on a piece of metal screen, and the other on a metal
bowl of water or food. Put a sheet of plastic under the bowl. This
insulates the bowl from the metal screen.

When the prowling animal (cat, dog, raccoon, possum, whatever) makes contact
with the bowl, they will get a shock that will make him/her/it stay away
from your porch for the rest of its natural life. It will not kill the
animal, as it has a low voltage.

A really simple quick inexpensive way to get rid of pesky animals. The only
other thing better is the motion sensor water sprayer, but they are about
$70, and can't be used where water is an issue.

These shockers work, and are a million laughs.

Steve

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Let's add a definition, then. If someone will cry or otherwise have a bad
day when a particular animal is killed, maybe you can call it a "pet".
But, that is of no significance to anyone but the person who will be
upset. Again, it's just a word. And, if they let it roam the neighborhood,
they probably wanted it dead anyway.

Let's add another definition: responsible pet owner.

A "responsible pet owner" provides for the needs of their animal. They give
it food and water. They give it companionship, love, and kindness. They
take it to the doctor when it is sick. They provide a warm/cool safe place
for it to live.

They do not let it wander out unsupervised. They don't allow it to wander
into traffic. They don't allow it to wander into any place where it might
be hurt by any means.

They are like five year olds. Yes, you can let them run around on their
own, but it takes them about ten minutes to get into something and get hurt.

"Responsible pet owners" take care of their "pets."

Unresponsible pet owners do not, and just like unresponsible parents, then
want to go after (and usually sue) anyone or anything that their kid gets
messed up by, but don't want to mention the fact they weren't doing their
job and fulfilling their responsibilities in the first place.

I notice that we don't have people writing in and complaining that their
dog/cat who stays at home or on leash or under control got into trouble.
It's the ones that are kicked out the door and let back in eight hours later
that have a problem.

Steve