I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.

On 4/22/2021 1:18 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:


I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.


I'm not sure but thought you had to add air to bladder in tank. Also
sounds like a very small tank. I've had to have my tanks replaced about
every 10 years - the last one even though it seemed OK.

In article , "frank says...

I'm not sure but thought you had to add air to bladder in tank. Also
sounds like a very small tank. I've had to have my tanks replaced about
every 10 years - the last one even though it seemed OK.



Normally The tank should not gain or loose air. If anything it may leak
out a small ammount of air just like your car tires.

I just can not undrestand why I have to let air out to matain the 38 psi
with the pump off and the water pipes open.

It would be similar to having to let air out of your car tires just to
matain the normal pressure.

That tank is somewhere around 5 years old.
I am not sure how much it should hold, but the tank is about 3 to 4 feet
tall and a foot and a half in diameter.

On 4/22/2021 1:34 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , "frank says...

I'm not sure but thought you had to add air to bladder in tank. Also
sounds like a very small tank. I've had to have my tanks replaced about
every 10 years - the last one even though it seemed OK.



Normally The tank should not gain or loose air. If anything it may leak
out a small ammount of air just like your car tires.

I just can not undrestand why I have to let air out to matain the 38 psi
with the pump off and the water pipes open.

It would be similar to having to let air out of your car tires just to
matain the normal pressure.

That tank is somewhere around 5 years old.
I am not sure how much it should hold, but the tank is about 3 to 4 feet
tall and a foot and a half in diameter.


That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.

In article , "frank says...

That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.



I think this tank is suppose to hold about 3 to 4 gallons of water.
There was one about half this size or smaller when I bought the house
about 15 years ago. It went bad, but the bladder had burst or had a
hole in it as water would come out of the air valve at the top when the
stem was depressed.

So far this tank has not put out any water through the air valve so I am
thinking the bladder should be ok. I can see adding air due to slow
leaks over a number of years, but can not see how in a day or two it can
gain air.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:54:56 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , "frank says...

That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.



I think this tank is suppose to hold about 3 to 4 gallons of water.
There was one about half this size or smaller when I bought the house
about 15 years ago. It went bad, but the bladder had burst or had a
hole in it as water would come out of the air valve at the top when the
stem was depressed.

So far this tank has not put out any water through the air valve so I am
thinking the bladder should be ok. I can see adding air due to slow
leaks over a number of years, but can not see how in a day or two it can
gain air.

I am not sure why you are seeing what you see but I bet a new one
fixes your problem.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:54:56 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , "frank says...

That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.



I think this tank is suppose to hold about 3 to 4 gallons of water.
There was one about half this size or smaller when I bought the house
about 15 years ago. It went bad, but the bladder had burst or had a
hole in it as water would come out of the air valve at the top when the
stem was depressed.

So far this tank has not put out any water through the air valve so I am
thinking the bladder should be ok. I can see adding air due to slow
leaks over a number of years, but can not see how in a day or two it can
gain air.

I am not sure why you are seeing what you see but I bet a new one
fixes your problem.

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 6:55:02 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , "frank says...

That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.


I think this tank is suppose to hold about 3 to 4 gallons of water.
There was one about half this size or smaller when I bought the house
about 15 years ago. It went bad, but the bladder had burst or had a
hole in it as water would come out of the air valve at the top when the
stem was depressed.

So far this tank has not put out any water through the air valve so I am
thinking the bladder should be ok. I can see adding air due to slow
leaks over a number of years, but can not see how in a day or two it can
gain air.

I only can think of one way this is possible. That would be if the bladder
has failed and there is a small leak in a suction line from the pump to the
well, if it's a conventional pump. Air can't be getting into a bladder that
is intact and with the tank drained, that's the only pressure you're
measuring. What happens if you slowly let all the air out of the bladder,
with some pressure still in it? If the bladder is intact, no water should
come out. Haven't tried that, but seems like a way to test for whether
the bladder is intact or not.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:54:56 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...


In article , "frank says...

That is not as small as I thought. I think my old ones were that size
but newer is bigger. I never had to deal with putting air in and once
checked measured OK.



I think this tank is suppose to hold about 3 to 4 gallons of water.
There was one about half this size or smaller when I bought the house
about 15 years ago. It went bad, but the bladder had burst or had a
hole in it as water would come out of the air valve at the top when the
stem was depressed.

So far this tank has not put out any water through the air valve so I am
thinking the bladder should be ok. I can see adding air due to slow
leaks over a number of years, but can not see how in a day or two it can
gain air.

Just a SWAG is it back feeding from the water heater?

--
Tekkie

On 4/22/2021 10:18 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:


I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.



When you drained pipes, did you do it long enough to let air pressure
out of the water pipes also. You could have air getting into the system
before the pump and getting compressed into the water section of the
tank, displacing water from the tank.

In article ,
says...

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.





I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.

Anyway I have a plumber comming out Monday morning to replace the tank.
While it is simple enough to do it, I just hate plumbing so bad I am
willing to pay a man a reasonable ammount to do it.
Found some paper work on the tank and it is 6 to 7 years old so I guess
that is about what others are getting out of their tanks.

In article ,
says...

I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.



Iment to include the youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9KKJxdqJsU

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.




I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.

Anyway I have a plumber comming out Monday morning to replace the tank.
While it is simple enough to do it, I just hate plumbing so bad I am
willing to pay a man a reasonable ammount to do it.
Found some paper work on the tank and it is 6 to 7 years old so I guess
that is about what others are getting out of their tanks.

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly. It's just a plastic
bag, inside a tank, not exposed to weather, UV, etc. I recall seeing ones, maybe
they all have it, with a good size plug on top that the air fitting comes out of.
I assumed you can get a new bladder and replace just that. Which would be
a lot easier and cheaper, assuming the plug will come out and that's what
it's there for. Also I still can't fathom how a broken bladder results in the tank
gaining air. I would expect it to lose air, as the air is slowly absorbed into
the water.

In article ,
says...

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly. It's just a plastic
bag, inside a tank, not exposed to weather, UV, etc. I recall seeing ones, maybe
they all have it, with a good size plug on top that the air fitting comes out of.
I assumed you can get a new bladder and replace just that. Which would be
a lot easier and cheaper, assuming the plug will come out and that's what
it's there for. Also I still can't fathom how a broken bladder results in the tank
gaining air. I would expect it to lose air, as the air is slowly absorbed into
the water.




I guess they fail because of all the flexing. One side is next to the
water so if the water has something in it that could also make them fail
sooner.

I can not think of how it makes and ar pressure. That is what had me
puzzled before I found the video and another showed his gaining air. I
know on the older tanks with out a bladder people often had to add air.
Maybe the air pressure builds up from a small hole and I did not leave
the water line open long enough for the air to bleed out of the bladder.

On 04/24/2021 01:48 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I can not think of how it makes and ar pressure. That is what had me
puzzled before I found the video and another showed his gaining air. I
know on the older tanks with out a bladder people often had to add air.
Maybe the air pressure builds up from a small hole and I did not leave
the water line open long enough for the air to bleed out of the bladder.


When I was a kid our water tank had a standard Schraeder valve. When the
flow would get sluggish or the pump was coming on frequently we would
drain the water and pump it up with a tire pump.

I didn't know they had bladders until a few years ago they changed them
out in the communal well house. While the bladder itself could be
replaced apparently it cost as much as the entire tank and wasn't worth
the hassle.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:45:46 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/24/2021 01:48 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I can not think of how it makes and ar pressure. That is what had me
puzzled before I found the video and another showed his gaining air. I
know on the older tanks with out a bladder people often had to add air.
Maybe the air pressure builds up from a small hole and I did not leave
the water line open long enough for the air to bleed out of the bladder.


When I was a kid our water tank had a standard Schraeder valve. When the
flow would get sluggish or the pump was coming on frequently we would
drain the water and pump it up with a tire pump.

I didn't know they had bladders until a few years ago they changed them
out in the communal well house. While the bladder itself could be
replaced apparently it cost as much as the entire tank and wasn't worth
the hassle.

That was my take on it although if I could find the right bladder for
the fiber glass one I have I would do it. That thing was tough and
lasted a real long time.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:45:46 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



When I was a kid

Oh, no, not yet again! tsk

FLUSH yet more of the never ending senile blather

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:48:41 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly. It's just a plastic
bag, inside a tank, not exposed to weather, UV, etc. I recall seeing ones, maybe
they all have it, with a good size plug on top that the air fitting comes out of.
I assumed you can get a new bladder and replace just that. Which would be
a lot easier and cheaper, assuming the plug will come out and that's what
it's there for. Also I still can't fathom how a broken bladder results in the tank
gaining air. I would expect it to lose air, as the air is slowly absorbed into
the water.




I guess they fail because of all the flexing. One side is next to the
water so if the water has something in it that could also make them fail
sooner.

I can not think of how it makes and ar pressure. That is what had me
puzzled before I found the video and another showed his gaining air. I
know on the older tanks with out a bladder people often had to add air.
Maybe the air pressure builds up from a small hole and I did not leave
the water line open long enough for the air to bleed out of the bladder.

I will guess your bladder has a pinhole leak in it. When the water
pressure is at its max, a small amount of water leaks into the air
chamber. It stops leaking when the air chamber gets up to the 60 psi
you have observed. When the water side pressure it lowered, the leak
seals itself. The air side is left at the system max pressure but is
still mostly air. I believe your problem will be solved when your
tank is replaced.

In article ,
says...

I will guess your bladder has a pinhole leak in it. When the water
pressure is at its max, a small amount of water leaks into the air
chamber. It stops leaking when the air chamber gets up to the 60 psi
you have observed. When the water side pressure it lowered, the leak
seals itself. The air side is left at the system max pressure but is
still mostly air. I believe your problem will be solved when your
tank is replaced.



That sounds like what may be the problem. Anyway a new tank should be
instlled Monday.

I worked many years solving problems where I worked on mostly electrical
and instruments but some other systems. I always liked to hae a good
idea of what was causing the problem before I replaced things as it
could run into thousands of dollars.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:29:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly.


You don't want the manufacturer to keep making replacement tanks? $$$$

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:29:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.




I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.

Anyway I have a plumber comming out Monday morning to replace the tank.
While it is simple enough to do it, I just hate plumbing so bad I am
willing to pay a man a reasonable ammount to do it.
Found some paper work on the tank and it is 6 to 7 years old so I guess
that is about what others are getting out of their tanks.

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly. It's just a plastic
bag, inside a tank, not exposed to weather, UV, etc. I recall seeing ones, maybe
they all have it, with a good size plug on top that the air fitting comes out of.
I assumed you can get a new bladder and replace just that. Which would be
a lot easier and cheaper, assuming the plug will come out and that's what
it's there for.

I assume it is just the constant flexing and if you are not diligent
about checking the air the bladder gets over extended. They are
replaceable.
The problem is finding the bladder if it is a bladder tank. Some are
diaphragm tanks and you can't replace that.
I have never found a bladder for a tank when I needed one. My tanks
are diaphragm tanks now.

Also I still can't fathom how a broken bladder results in the tank
gaining air. I would expect it to lose air, as the air is slowly absorbed into
the water.

I thought about this for a while and the only thing that makes sense
is that there is some kind of pocket that holds water, even when the
system is at zero pressure and that reduced volume maintains more air
pressure.
That's why I said lift up that tank and see if it is waterlogged.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:40:07 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:29:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.




I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.

Anyway I have a plumber comming out Monday morning to replace the tank.
While it is simple enough to do it, I just hate plumbing so bad I am
willing to pay a man a reasonable ammount to do it.
Found some paper work on the tank and it is 6 to 7 years old so I guess
that is about what others are getting out of their tanks.

Makes no sense to me that these tanks fails so quickly. It's just a plastic
bag, inside a tank, not exposed to weather, UV, etc. I recall seeing ones, maybe
they all have it, with a good size plug on top that the air fitting comes out of.
I assumed you can get a new bladder and replace just that. Which would be
a lot easier and cheaper, assuming the plug will come out and that's what
it's there for.

I assume it is just the constant flexing and if you are not diligent
about checking the air the bladder gets over extended. They are
replaceable.
The problem is finding the bladder if it is a bladder tank. Some are
diaphragm tanks and you can't replace that.
I have never found a bladder for a tank when I needed one. My tanks
are diaphragm tanks now.

Also I still can't fathom how a broken bladder results in the tank
gaining air. I would expect it to lose air, as the air is slowly absorbed into
the water.

I thought about this for a while and the only thing that makes sense
is that there is some kind of pocket that holds water, even when the
system is at zero pressure and that reduced volume maintains more air
pressure.
That's why I said lift up that tank and see if it is waterlogged.






I forgot about diaphragm tanks. Nice images here to look at differences between
them.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=bla...l+tanks&ia=web

--
Tekkie

In article , says...

I forgot about diaphragm tanks. Nice images here to look at differences between
them.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=bla...l+tanks&ia=web

--



There are some differences in the bladder and diaphragm, but not really
that much in the way they work.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:21:45 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.





I found a youtube video that shows the same thing my well pump system
was doing. More air pressure building up in the bladder tank. It shows
the bladder tank gaining air pressure when the bladder is bad.
I still don't see how it can gain air pressure with the pipes open, but
it does. Maybe if I let all the air out of the tank by the air valve
water would start comming out.

Anyway I have a plumber comming out Monday morning to replace the tank.
While it is simple enough to do it, I just hate plumbing so bad I am
willing to pay a man a reasonable ammount to do it.
Found some paper work on the tank and it is 6 to 7 years old so I guess
that is about what others are getting out of their tanks.



You know they are bad if the line pressure goes to zero (pump off,
valve open) and there is still water in the tank. Mine aren't screwed
down and there is enough flex in the pipe to bump it off the floor.
You know right away if it is full of water by the weight.

On 4/22/21 1:18 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

I have a well that has an above ground pump. There is a bladder tank
that holds about 2 to 3 gallons of water. Lately I noticed the water
pressure cycling too much, like about 3 times in the time it takes to
fill a one gallon jug.

Checked the bladder tank and the pressure at the tank was about 60 psi.
Cut the well pump off and drained the pipes to the house. Then let air
out of the tank to the recommended 2 psi below the cut in pressure
switch to about 38 PSI. Worked better for a day or so. Then noticed
the short cycling again. Cut well pump off and drained water pipes.
The bladder tank was back up to almost 60 psi. I have done this several
time.

Just how is that bladder tank making air ? There does not seem to be
any water comming out of the air valve at the top of the tank that
normally the bladder keeps the water out of. Looks like I should be
getting water out of the valve if the bladder has a hole in it.



Personally, I'd just replace the tank but if you want to prove to yourself that the diaphragm is bad...

Bleed the air from the air side of the diaphragm and unscrew/remove the Schrader valve.

Shut off pump breaker and drain the tank. Remove tank and turn upside down so Schrader valve is on bottom.

I suspect you'll see water dripping from the Schrader valve opening.

In article ,
says...

Personally, I'd just replace the tank but if you want to prove to yourself that the diaphragm is bad...

Bleed the air from the air side of the diaphragm and unscrew/remove the Schrader valve.

Shut off pump breaker and drain the tank. Remove tank and turn upside down so Schrader valve is on bottom.

I suspect you'll see water dripping from the Schrader valve opening.





The tank is going to be replaced MOnday.

If the bladder had a small hole in it and water was in the bladder I
would have thought water would come out of the Schrader valve, but maybe
there was still enough air in the tank to keep that from hapning.

To start with I thought the tank had a broken bladder, but just did not
see how with the water line open I could have 60 psi of air in the
bladder the 2nd time I bled some air out to the 38 PSI it should have
with no pressure on the water line. I guess a small hole would sort of
seal its self for a short period of time and hold the 60 psi air
pressure.

If there is much water left in the tank after it is removed I am sure it
will be very heavy.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:43:41 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...


The tank is going to be replaced MOnday.


Well, (nice one there aye)it's Monday and what's happened?
Huh, huh, huh. (Just like my wife)

Is your wallet lighter now? Inquiring minds want know!

--
Tekkie

In article ,
says...

The tank is going to be replaced MOnday.


Well, (nice one there aye)it's Monday and what's happened?
Huh, huh, huh. (Just like my wife)

Is your wallet lighter now? Inquiring minds want know!




The tank was replaced this morning. We took the tank to the yard and
nothing was comming out of the 1 inch hole in the bottom. Took the stem
out of the schrader air valve and water shot out about 20 feet from it
for a while. Probably under the 60 psi of the well system. No water
ever came out the 1 inch water hole. The plumber said the bladder was
probalby acting as a one way valve and when the water pressure was off
of it the rubber pressed against the side of the tank and held the water
in.

The wallet is some what lighter. About $ 425 . There were a few other
parts added that needed to be. I even asked him for an extra valve to
cut the tank off. That included the tank that is about 2 1/2 feet tall,
some kind of special T connection, pressure gauge, drain valve, over
pressure valve, and shutoff valve. Took him just over an hour from the
time he got here to the time he left. He had the tank with him as I had
sent him a picture of the way the old tank was installed.

I think he charged a reasonable price for all the parts and labor.

Everything seems to be fine now. The water runs for a while befor the
pump starts up. Before it would cycle several times before it would
fill up agallon jug. I was filling the jug to water some plants.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 6:08:59 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

The tank is going to be replaced MOnday.


Well, (nice one there aye)it's Monday and what's happened?
Huh, huh, huh. (Just like my wife)

Is your wallet lighter now? Inquiring minds want know!



The tank was replaced this morning. We took the tank to the yard and
nothing was comming out of the 1 inch hole in the bottom. Took the stem
out of the schrader air valve and water shot out about 20 feet from it
for a while. Probably under the 60 psi of the well system. No water
ever came out the 1 inch water hole. The plumber said the bladder was
probalby acting as a one way valve and when the water pressure was off
of it the rubber pressed against the side of the tank and held the water
in.

The wallet is some what lighter. About $ 425 . There were a few other
parts added that needed to be. I even asked him for an extra valve to
cut the tank off. That included the tank that is about 2 1/2 feet tall,
some kind of special T connection, pressure gauge, drain valve, over
pressure valve, and shutoff valve. Took him just over an hour from the
time he got here to the time he left. He had the tank with him as I had
sent him a picture of the way the old tank was installed.

I think he charged a reasonable price for all the parts and labor.

Everything seems to be fine now. The water runs for a while befor the
pump starts up. Before it would cycle several times before it would
fill up agallon jug. I was filling the jug to water some plants.

Sounds like a reasonable deal for what you got. Who's idea was it to send a
picture? If it was the plumber, that shows he's smart and trying to save people
money with less trips. Never heard of a service guy doing that before, but
sounds logical and it's a good idea.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:53 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...


In article ,
says...

The tank is going to be replaced MOnday.


Well, (nice one there aye)it's Monday and what's happened?
Huh, huh, huh. (Just like my wife)

Is your wallet lighter now? Inquiring minds want know!




The tank was replaced this morning. We took the tank to the yard and
nothing was comming out of the 1 inch hole in the bottom. Took the stem
out of the schrader air valve and water shot out about 20 feet from it
for a while. Probably under the 60 psi of the well system. No water
ever came out the 1 inch water hole. The plumber said the bladder was
probalby acting as a one way valve and when the water pressure was off
of it the rubber pressed against the side of the tank and held the water
in.

The wallet is some what lighter. About $ 425 . There were a few other
parts added that needed to be. I even asked him for an extra valve to
cut the tank off. That included the tank that is about 2 1/2 feet tall,
some kind of special T connection, pressure gauge, drain valve, over
pressure valve, and shutoff valve. Took him just over an hour from the
time he got here to the time he left. He had the tank with him as I had
sent him a picture of the way the old tank was installed.

I think he charged a reasonable price for all the parts and labor.

Everything seems to be fine now. The water runs for a while befor the
pump starts up. Before it would cycle several times before it would
fill up agallon jug. I was filling the jug to water some plants.

Good news! I think you paid a fair price. Establish a relationship with him.
You'll be better off as as an established customer. Never know...

I surmise the old tank had prostate problems.

--
Tekkie