Both the yellow (larger) and the greenish blue (smaller) Troy-Bilt TB146 EC
cultivator gas hoses crumbled when I took it out of storage.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/prior...AK146G766.html

I bought hoses at Home Depot but how do they connect to the gas tank?
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/misce...753-06240.html

There's a black connector half way up (one way valve?) so it's easy to
connect to the carb but how do I make a watertight gas tank connection?

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?

On 2/26/2021 9:02 PM, dan wrote:
Both the yellow (larger) and the greenish blue (smaller) Troy-Bilt TB146 EC
cultivator gas hoses crumbled when I took it out of storage.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/prior...AK146G766.html

I bought hoses at Home Depot but how do they connect to the gas tank?
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/misce...753-06240.html

There's a black connector half way up (one way valve?) so it's easy to
connect to the carb but how do I make a watertight gas tank connection?

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?


The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank . The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end . I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter. The return hose needs
only to come inside the tank , supply needs to be long enough to reach
the bottom of the tank - unless you only want to use the top half ...
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 9:42:25 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
On 2/26/2021 9:02 PM, dan wrote:
Both the yellow (larger) and the greenish blue (smaller) Troy-Bilt TB146 EC
cultivator gas hoses crumbled when I took it out of storage.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/prior...AK146G766.html

I bought hoses at Home Depot but how do they connect to the gas tank?
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/misce...753-06240.html

There's a black connector half way up (one way valve?) so it's easy to
connect to the carb but how do I make a watertight gas tank connection?

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?

The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank . The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end . I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter. The return hose needs
only to come inside the tank , supply needs to be long enough to reach
the bottom of the tank - unless you only want to use the top half ...
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

Agree, and that makes the right hose size both inside and outside dimensions
critical. It's always a pain to figure out what size they are, unless you want to
order the official ones at 10x the cost. I'd ad to the above that for the feed line
you can push/pull it a lot farther into the tank so you can easily get the end of it
out the fill opening to put the filter on, then pull it back to the correct length.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:20 -0600, Snag wrote:


The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank .

OK. Good. That's what I was hoping. The larger yellow hose coming out the
top of the carb is pulled out cleanly so am I to conclude it's the return?

The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end .

The smaller greenish blue is the one that broke at the tank edge so it's
currently blocking the hole (I can probably pick it out though).

Am I to assume that's the input fuel line to the carb?

I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter.

I hadn't thought of the filter. It must be still inside the tank.

The return hose needs
only to come inside the tank , supply needs to be long enough to reach
the bottom of the tank - unless you only want to use the top half ...

What I think I'll do is poke out the greenish blue hose from its hole in the
gas tank and see if I can shake out the filter to reuse it (I didn't think
of buying a spare).

There's a black connector a couple of inches away from the carb which I
assume is a one way valve (but I'm not really sure what it is as it doesn't
show up in the tank picture on the Troy-Bilt web site).

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:59:29 AM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:20 -0600, Snag wrote:


The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank .
OK. Good. That's what I was hoping. The larger yellow hose coming out the
top of the carb is pulled out cleanly so am I to conclude it's the return?

That it pulled out cleanly doesn't mean anything. If it pulled out with several
inches or more, then that one would be the pickup. But the pickup can break
right at the tank, so it will can come right out cleanly, so that isn't an indicator.


The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end .
The smaller greenish blue is the one that broke at the tank edge so it's
currently blocking the hole (I can probably pick it out though).

Am I to assume that's the input fuel line to the carb?
I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter.
I hadn't thought of the filter. It must be still inside the tank.
The return hose needs
only to come inside the tank , supply needs to be long enough to reach
the bottom of the tank - unless you only want to use the top half ...
What I think I'll do is poke out the greenish blue hose from its hole in the
gas tank and see if I can shake out the filter to reuse it (I didn't think
of buying a spare).

There's a black connector a couple of inches away from the carb which I
assume is a one way valve (but I'm not really sure what it is as it doesn't
show up in the tank picture on the Troy-Bilt web site).

Just look at the old hoses. The one with the filter is the pickup line.
I recall some black thing on my Troybilt weed whacker/edger. I think
it really is just a hose connector. No need for a check valve that I'm
aware of. But why they needed that connector, IDK

On 2/28/2021 8:59 AM, dan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:20 -0600, Snag wrote:


The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank .

OK. Good. That's what I was hoping. The larger yellow hose coming out the
top of the carb is pulled out cleanly so am I to conclude it's the return?

The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end .

The smaller greenish blue is the one that broke at the tank edge so it's
currently blocking the hole (I can probably pick it out though).

Am I to assume that's the input fuel line to the carb?

I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter.

I hadn't thought of the filter. It must be still inside the tank.

The return hose needs
only to come inside the tank , supply needs to be long enough to reach
the bottom of the tank - unless you only want to use the top half ...

What I think I'll do is poke out the greenish blue hose from its hole in the
gas tank and see if I can shake out the filter to reuse it (I didn't think
of buying a spare).

There's a black connector a couple of inches away from the carb which I
assume is a one way valve (but I'm not really sure what it is as it doesn't
show up in the tank picture on the Troy-Bilt web site).


The nipples on the carb will be different sizes , as the hoses are .
Look inside the tank , either the filter (if there is one) should either
be on the end of the blue hose or rattling around free if it was on the
yellow . That black device may be the filter , if so there is probably
some kind of device inside the tank too to keep the hose on the bottom .
It's only hard to figger out the first time ... unlike the chain oil
pump plumbing on a 50 year old Homelite Super 2 chainsaw !
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On 02/28/2021 07:59 AM, dan wrote:
here's a black connector a couple of inches away from the carb which I
assume is a one way valve (but I'm not really sure what it is as it doesn't
show up in the tank picture on the Troy-Bilt web site).

It isn't something you can squeeze is it? Some have a primer bulb.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 10:41:38 -0700, rbowman wrote:

It isn't something you can squeeze is it? Some have a primer bulb.

This Troy-Bilt cultivator has crummy rubber parts because that thumb sized
primer bulb cracked & leaked fuel but it was easy to replace so I didn't
mention it until you said that.

The hoses are still inside the tank where looking inside seems to have only
the yellow (larger) hose coiled up with the thumbnail sized filter on it.

The replacement hoses are "Arnold Fuel Lines" "variety pack" P/N
490-240-0008 which say "For engines 2011 and prior" of size
3/32" ID (4.8mm) by 3/16" OD (2.4mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
1/16" ID (3.2mm) by 1/8th OD (1.6mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arnold-1...0008/300614400

What's with the date of 2011 & prior?
Did something change after 2011?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:00:05 -0600, Snag wrote:


The nipples on the carb will be different sizes , as the hoses are .
Look inside the tank , either the filter (if there is one) should either
be on the end of the blue hose or rattling around free if it was on the
yellow .

The yellow hose was connected to the ceramic filter inside the gas tank.
There was also a black end to end hose connector inside the gas tank.
There was nothing else inside the gas tank.

The filter is a rather clean white knob of rounded ceramic with a T-shaped
circular metal weight with a hole in the middle of the tube which has a tube
that went on the yellow hose.

The gas has to go through the ceramic filter before it can get to the hole
in the metal tube that goes onto the yellow hose.

The green hose went into the smaller hole in the plastic gas tank. That
green hose I guess had a black connector on it as there was nothing else
inside the gas tank but that small black end to end hose connector.

That black device may be the filter , if so there is probably
some kind of device inside the tank too to keep the hose on the bottom .

I am in the middle of the task where I see now why people just buy a new gas
tank with the hoses already attached. You can't do anything from the inside
because of the bend of the filler in the tank. And you can't push the yellow
hose through the hole without drilling it out first.

What I did though was shave the last quarter inch OD of the yellow hose so
that it stuck out into the inside of the tank where I could pull the hose
through using a long pair of slightly curved 12 inch surgical tweezers.

Then it was a PITA to shove the filter onto that hose with both ends of the
hose dangling outside the gas tank.

Same with shoving that black plastic connector on the end of the smaller OD
hose (although I'm not sure what that black connector that I found inside
the gas tank does except prevent that smaller hose from pulling out of the
tank from the outside).

It's only hard to figger out the first time ... unlike the chain oil
pump plumbing on a 50 year old Homelite Super 2 chainsaw

My first mistake was to put the parts on first and then try to wend the hose
UP out of the gas tank but you just can't get a straight shot due to the
curved neck of the gas tank. So I had to do it twice.

The ONLY way you're going to feed those hoses (without drilling out the
holes in the gas tank anyways) is from the outside in, so you need both ends
of the hose dangling outside the tank to make the necessary connections.

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:33:28 PM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:00:05 -0600, Snag wrote:


The nipples on the carb will be different sizes , as the hoses are .
Look inside the tank , either the filter (if there is one) should either
be on the end of the blue hose or rattling around free if it was on the
yellow .
The yellow hose was connected to the ceramic filter inside the gas tank.
There was also a black end to end hose connector inside the gas tank.
There was nothing else inside the gas tank.

The filter is a rather clean white knob of rounded ceramic with a T-shaped
circular metal weight with a hole in the middle of the tube which has a tube
that went on the yellow hose.

The gas has to go through the ceramic filter before it can get to the hole
in the metal tube that goes onto the yellow hose.

The green hose went into the smaller hole in the plastic gas tank. That
green hose I guess had a black connector on it as there was nothing else
inside the gas tank but that small black end to end hose connector.
That black device may be the filter , if so there is probably
some kind of device inside the tank too to keep the hose on the bottom .
I am in the middle of the task where I see now why people just buy a new gas
tank with the hoses already attached. You can't do anything from the inside
because of the bend of the filler in the tank. And you can't push the yellow
hose through the hole without drilling it out first.

You can if it's the right size hose. That's why I said earlier that the hose has
to be the exact right size, both OD and ID.




What I did though was shave the last quarter inch OD of the yellow hose so
that it stuck out into the inside of the tank where I could pull the hose
through using a long pair of slightly curved 12 inch surgical tweezers.

Then it was a PITA to shove the filter onto that hose with both ends of the
hose dangling outside the gas tank.

It isn't if it's the right size hose. And if you have to shove it very hard to get
it to fit, it may be too small and then crack and split later.



Same with shoving that black plastic connector on the end of the smaller OD
hose (although I'm not sure what that black connector that I found inside
the gas tank does except prevent that smaller hose from pulling out of the
tank from the outside).
It's only hard to figger out the first time ... unlike the chain oil
pump plumbing on a 50 year old Homelite Super 2 chainsaw
My first mistake was to put the parts on first and then try to wend the hose
UP out of the gas tank but you just can't get a straight shot due to the
curved neck of the gas tank. So I had to do it twice.

The ONLY way you're going to feed those hoses (without drilling out the
holes in the gas tank anyways) is from the outside in, so you need both ends
of the hose dangling outside the tank to make the necessary connections.

One end has to dangle out the fill opening to get the filter on. The other end
will always be outside, it goes to the carb.

I bet the whole thing would be a lot easier if you bought the hoses from Troybilt
or similar, ie a direct fit, not the HD stuff that's supposed to fit a variety of
widgets. I bought my hose from China, after carefully measuring and trying to
find the right ones. I got ones that worked better than your experience, but I
don't think they were exactly right either. That reminds me, I have a carb rebuild
kit that showed up, I have to put that on mine. It never ends.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 14:43:06 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:


You can if it's the right size hose. That's why I said earlier that the hose has
to be the exact right size, both OD and ID.

The ID is more of a problem now than is the OD since the smaller OD (blue)
new hose went into the tank easily and the larger OD new hose (yellow) had
to be pulled through. The OD is so tight on the larger yellow hose that I
don't think gas will leak out. But gas could leak out of the smaller blue
hose but not much since both holes are on the top of the gas tank neck.

The ID is too small on both hoses and by a lot!

The new hose ID is so tiny that it's almost impossible to get the nipples
onto the hose but I didn't have any choice at Home Depot when I bought them.

On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 08:43:00 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:


Just look at the old hoses. The one with the filter is the pickup line.
I recall some black thing on my Troybilt weed whacker/edger. I think
it really is just a hose connector. No need for a check valve that I'm
aware of. But why they needed that connector, IDK

This guy must have bought the right size ID hoses because they went on
easily whereas mine took a really long time to finally get on the nipple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1qxPr5XCg

That video of a Troy-Bilt TB146 EC tiller shows the black connectors at
https://youtu.be/2E1qxPr5XCg?t=75

For whatever reason there's a third black hose to hose plastic connector
that was sitting inside the gas tank.

I assume it went on the return line only because it couldn't have been on
the supply line but what good would it do inside the tank except act as a
stop to prevent the return line from pulling out of the gas tank?

I have no idea what the guy did about the gas filter nor why he used a
sharpened chopstick to ream the smaller return line hole which is the one
closest to the engine.
https://youtu.be/2E1qxPr5XCg?t=515

I used a drill bit that I twirled between my fingers for a couple of seconds
to clean out the smaller hole.

The larger hole (further from the engine for the supply line) didn't need
reaming but this video seems to show he used the same hose for both (which
may be the case for my originals too as it's hard to tell their original
size).

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:15:32 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:

Agree, and that makes the right hose size both inside and outside dimensions
critical. It's always a pain to figure out what size they are, unless you want to
order the official ones at 10x the cost.

I'm beginning to think both hoses are the same ID & OD but I don't have that
luxury since the parts I bought from Home Depot were two different sizes.
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=530

This guy bought TWO of the same kits I bought and used only the yellow hoses
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=257

His Troy-Bilt weed wacker GREEN line is the intake with the filter
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=157

The ceramic filter is shown here
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=230

He had the exact same problems I had with the supply hose getting inside the
gas tank https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=349

And then he had the same problem I had getting the fuel filter back on with
both ends outside the tank (it's really the only way you can do it due to
the shape of the tank).
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=400

In his carb the return line is the one with the bent nipple on the carb
where mine has a similar straight nipple and a bent nipple so I suspect
the straight nipple is the feed line and the bent is the return line.
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=477

When I finish it I will run the test he ran here to tell which is the fuel
line by where fuel comes in when he presses the primer bulb a few times.
https://youtu.be/keyJ_dDdAgI?t=588

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 20:33:22 -0200, dan wrote:


Same with shoving that black plastic connector on the end of the smaller OD
hose (although I'm not sure what that black connector that I found inside
the gas tank does except prevent that smaller hose from pulling out of the
tank from the outside).

This video shows an inside view of the gas tank where the green return line
doesn't have anything on the end of it as it just sticks into the tank about
a half inch so I'm not sure what that black plastic connector was doing
inside the gas tank now.
https://youtu.be/PaSJyWfapDQ?t=77

He has a green return and a yellow feed hose exactly like I did with the
green hose being in the gas tank hole closest to the engine.

He fed the hoses from the INSIDE of the tank outward using a wire trick
https://youtu.be/PaSJyWfapDQ?t=335

He drilled a small hole in the hose to allow the hose to collapse a bit when
feeding the hose through the hole in the tank with a 19 gauge steel wire
hooked into the hole to pull the hose through from the inside with the wire.
https://youtu.be/PaSJyWfapDQ?t=179

His was a "purge bulb" and not a "primer bulb" which he explains here
https://youtu.be/PaSJyWfapDQ?t=400

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:02:48 -0200, dan wrote:

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?

I finally gave up on that small hose that came with the Arnold Fuel Lines
"variety pack" (PN 490-240-0008) which Home Depot sells for this purpose
Yellow 3/32" ID (4.8mm) by 3/16" OD (2.4mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
Blue 1/16" ID (3.2mm) by 1/8" OD (1.6mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arnold-1...0008/300614400

I went back to the store to buy a roll of "Everbilt 10 ft micro fuel line"
tubing HKP004-016 (sku 1000 108 022) which was a much better deal overall
3/16" OD by 3/32" ID by 10' long
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt...-016/303132512

It was still difficult to push through the return gas tank hole but
otherwise it was a lot better than was that small 1/8" ID blue line.

In the future I would suggest a 10 foot roll of the Everbilt fuel line
instead of the Arnold kit given you need two feet of the same diameter.

Tomorrow I will test it out on a garden plot after checking the oil as it
says it takes 80ml of oil but I've dripped most of the oil out by all the
tipping over where there is no dipstick so I have it draining now so that I
can put in a measured 80ml of oil.

On 3/1/2021 4:33 PM, dan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:00:05 -0600, Snag wrote:


The nipples on the carb will be different sizes , as the hoses are .
Look inside the tank , either the filter (if there is one) should either
be on the end of the blue hose or rattling around free if it was on the
yellow .

The yellow hose was connected to the ceramic filter inside the gas tank.
There was also a black end to end hose connector inside the gas tank.
There was nothing else inside the gas tank.

The filter is a rather clean white knob of rounded ceramic with a T-shaped
circular metal weight with a hole in the middle of the tube which has a tube
that went on the yellow hose.

The gas has to go through the ceramic filter before it can get to the hole
in the metal tube that goes onto the yellow hose.

The green hose went into the smaller hole in the plastic gas tank. That
green hose I guess had a black connector on it as there was nothing else
inside the gas tank but that small black end to end hose connector.

That black device may be the filter , if so there is probably
some kind of device inside the tank too to keep the hose on the bottom .

I am in the middle of the task where I see now why people just buy a new gas
tank with the hoses already attached. You can't do anything from the inside
because of the bend of the filler in the tank. And you can't push the yellow
hose through the hole without drilling it out first.

What I did though was shave the last quarter inch OD of the yellow hose so
that it stuck out into the inside of the tank where I could pull the hose
through using a long pair of slightly curved 12 inch surgical tweezers.

Then it was a PITA to shove the filter onto that hose with both ends of the
hose dangling outside the gas tank.

Same with shoving that black plastic connector on the end of the smaller OD
hose (although I'm not sure what that black connector that I found inside
the gas tank does except prevent that smaller hose from pulling out of the
tank from the outside).

It's only hard to figger out the first time ... unlike the chain oil
pump plumbing on a 50 year old Homelite Super 2 chainsaw

My first mistake was to put the parts on first and then try to wend the hose
UP out of the gas tank but you just can't get a straight shot due to the
curved neck of the gas tank. So I had to do it twice.

The ONLY way you're going to feed those hoses (without drilling out the
holes in the gas tank anyways) is from the outside in, so you need both ends
of the hose dangling outside the tank to make the necessary connections.


Ah Grasshopper , I forgot to suggest one other trick ... Feed a wire
thru the hole from the outside , then insert the end (coming from the
inside) of the wire into the end of the hose . Push hose and wire in
until the end of the hose comes out the hole with the wire . I suggested
in an earlier post about cutting the end of the hose in a long taper to
make it easier to get started in the hole ...
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:27:53 PM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 08:43:00 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:


Just look at the old hoses. The one with the filter is the pickup line.
I recall some black thing on my Troybilt weed whacker/edger. I think
it really is just a hose connector. No need for a check valve that I'm
aware of. But why they needed that connector, IDK
This guy must have bought the right size ID hoses because they went on
easily whereas mine took a really long time to finally get on the nipple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1qxPr5XCg

That video of a Troy-Bilt TB146 EC tiller shows the black connectors at
https://youtu.be/2E1qxPr5XCg?t=75

For whatever reason there's a third black hose to hose plastic connector
that was sitting inside the gas tank.

Did you look inside the connector? Try to pass a wire through it? Mine was
just a connector, open.



I assume it went on the return line only because it couldn't have been on
the supply line but what good would it do inside the tank except act as a
stop to prevent the return line from pulling out of the gas tank?

I have no idea what the guy did about the gas filter nor why he used a
sharpened chopstick to ream the smaller return line hole which is the one
closest to the engine.
https://youtu.be/2E1qxPr5XCg?t=515

I used a drill bit that I twirled between my fingers for a couple of seconds
to clean out the smaller hole.

The larger hole (further from the engine for the supply line) didn't need
reaming but this video seems to show he used the same hose for both (which
may be the case for my originals too as it's hard to tell their original
size).

On mine they are definitely different size hoses.

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:05:09 PM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:02:48 -0200, dan wrote:

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?
I finally gave up on that small hose that came with the Arnold Fuel Lines
"variety pack" (PN 490-240-0008) which Home Depot sells for this purpose
Yellow 3/32" ID (4.8mm) by 3/16" OD (2.4mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
Blue 1/16" ID (3.2mm) by 1/8" OD (1.6mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arnold-1...0008/300614400

I went back to the store to buy a roll of "Everbilt 10 ft micro fuel line"
tubing HKP004-016 (sku 1000 108 022) which was a much better deal overall
3/16" OD by 3/32" ID by 10' long
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt...-016/303132512

It was still difficult to push through the return gas tank hole but
otherwise it was a lot better than was that small 1/8" ID blue line.

In the future I would suggest a 10 foot roll of the Everbilt fuel line
instead of the Arnold kit given you need two feet of the same diameter.

Tomorrow I will test it out on a garden plot after checking the oil as it
says it takes 80ml of oil but I've dripped most of the oil out by all the
tipping over where there is no dipstick so I have it draining now so that I
can put in a measured 80ml of oil.

Thanks for letting me know that the Arnold stuff doesn't fit. I wasn't aware that HD
had it when I was looking for hoses and as I said, I got mine from China. But I
found out later that HD had some kind of assortment that was supposed to fit
many engines. IDK if it was Arnold, but probably it was. Now I know if I need
hose again that doesn't work. Another factor is how long they last. The China
stuff lasted maybe two years before breaking again. I would hope the Arnold
stuff is better. That's another factor, not only the size but if it lasts. I guess the
best thing is to pay some more $$ and get the official Troy-Bilt hoses.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 06:34:12 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:


For whatever reason there's a third black hose to hose plastic connector
that was sitting inside the gas tank.

Did you look inside the connector? Try to pass a wire through it? Mine was
just a connector, open.

Definitely. Mine is the same as was yours.
The black mystery part is just an end to end plastic hose connector.
I put the "spare" back inside the gas tank (for want of a better place).

The hoses need to be a tight fit because they're well below the fill line.

For whatever reason, the return hole seems slightly smaller but maybe it
just seemed smaller because the green hose had welded itself to the hole.
A 7/64" drill bit (2.78mm) seems to have cleaned it out though.

What I didn't know then but I now know is that both hoses are the same.
3/32" ID by 3/16" OD by about a foot long

A slightly larger ID would make it a lot easier but you can't use a slightly
larger OD as anything bigger will never make it into the two existing holes.

I ended up reaming the filter end with the 7/64" drill bit twirled by hand.

If I were to do it again, my strong recommendation would be to forget the
Arnold kit because you get 10 feet of the right hose for almost the same
amount rather than 1 foot of the right hose & 1 foot of the wrong hose.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arnold-1...0008/300614400

I'd get ten feet of the right hose knowing I need only about two feet.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt...-016/303132512
And I'd ream the ends with a 7/64" or 1/8" drill bit twirled in my fingers.

The pull by wire trick might work so I'd want to try it the next time
but shaving the OD with a knife and pushing with needlenose pliers
until enough is sticking inside to pull with long-nose pliers works.

It's one of those jobs where I get frustrated because patience isn't one of
my virtues. I hate spending fifteen minutes just getting one end of one hose
through a small hole for example, and then another fifteen minutes getting
that hose out of the gas tank and then another fifteen minutes just pushing
the filter onto the end of the hose and yet another fifteen minutes just
pushing the end of the hose onto the carb nipple.

My wife watched from the window and when I came inside she asked me
"What took you so long?"

When I cursed Troy-Bilt, she let it go at that as she's used to me blaming
the manufacturer for putting what I think were terrible hoses on the thing.

I don't know how old it is but I'd guess about five years it has been in
storage but it's been stored inside so I don't know why the hoses crumbled.

How long do yours last?

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 06:38:36 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:


Thanks for letting me know that the Arnold stuff doesn't fit. I wasn't aware that HD
had it when I was looking for hoses and as I said, I got mine from China. But I
found out later that HD had some kind of assortment that was supposed to fit
many engines. IDK if it was Arnold, but probably it was. Now I know if I need
hose again that doesn't work.

The only way the Arnold kit is going to work is if you buy two of them.
Even so, it seems the return line gas tank hole is ever so slightly smaller
so I'm still not perfectly sure they're supposed to be the same OD & ID.

I ended up with using the larger Arnold hose for the supply line (the hole
furthest from the engine) and the Everbilt hose for the return line.

The holes are below the gas tank fill line so they need to be a tight fit.
It's a dumb design if you ask me (but nobody asked).

Another factor is how long they last. The China
stuff lasted maybe two years before breaking again. I would hope the Arnold
stuff is better. That's another factor, not only the size but if it lasts. I guess the
best thing is to pay some more $$ and get the official Troy-Bilt hoses.

I have no experience with this but I agree that if they only last a few
years that they are crap since a (Japanese) car fuel line lasts a decade.

As someone said it's only hard when you first do it where I think I could
halve the time in the second attempt if I remember all that I did.

I'd use the wire next time to pull the hose through the gas tank instead of
pushing it in and pulling it with longnose pliers.

And I'd try to get a slightly larger ID than 3/32" but I don't think there's
any way anything larger than a 3/16" OD would fit into the gas tank holes.

It would be nice to hear from everyone regarding how long your lines last.

The other problem I have with this cultivator is that it starts nicely on
choke and it runs ok on position 2 but I can't get it to not stall on
position 3 (wide open throttle).

Also the tines churn whether or not I press the handle so there's a pull
wire adjustment I need to make somewhere.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 06:38:36 -0800 (PST), trader_4 posted for all of us to
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On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:05:09 PM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:02:48 -0200, dan wrote:

Is there something inside the gas tank that holds them in place?
I finally gave up on that small hose that came with the Arnold Fuel Lines
"variety pack" (PN 490-240-0008) which Home Depot sells for this purpose
Yellow 3/32" ID (4.8mm) by 3/16" OD (2.4mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
Blue 1/16" ID (3.2mm) by 1/8" OD (1.6mm) by 1' long (30.5cm)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arnold-1...0008/300614400

I went back to the store to buy a roll of "Everbilt 10 ft micro fuel line"
tubing HKP004-016 (sku 1000 108 022) which was a much better deal overall
3/16" OD by 3/32" ID by 10' long
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt...-016/303132512

It was still difficult to push through the return gas tank hole but
otherwise it was a lot better than was that small 1/8" ID blue line.

In the future I would suggest a 10 foot roll of the Everbilt fuel line
instead of the Arnold kit given you need two feet of the same diameter.

Tomorrow I will test it out on a garden plot after checking the oil as it
says it takes 80ml of oil but I've dripped most of the oil out by all the
tipping over where there is no dipstick so I have it draining now so that I
can put in a measured 80ml of oil.

Thanks for letting me know that the Arnold stuff doesn't fit. I wasn't aware that HD
had it when I was looking for hoses and as I said, I got mine from China. But I
found out later that HD had some kind of assortment that was supposed to fit
many engines. IDK if it was Arnold, but probably it was. Now I know if I need
hose again that doesn't work. Another factor is how long they last. The China
stuff lasted maybe two years before breaking again. I would hope the Arnold
stuff is better. That's another factor, not only the size but if it lasts. I guess the
best thing is to pay some more $$ and get the official Troy-Bilt hoses.

Hey Trader can you say Hi Arlen! for me? At least it's on topic for the group.

--
Tekkie

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:59:29 AM UTC-5, dan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:42:20 -0600, Snag wrote:
The hoses are a tight slip fit in the holes in the tank .

OK. Good. That's what I was hoping. The larger yellow hose coming out the
top of the carb is pulled out cleanly so am I to conclude it's the return?

The supply
line will usually have a filter on the inside end .

The smaller greenish blue is the one that broke at the tank edge so it's
currently blocking the hole (I can probably pick it out though).

Am I to assume that's the input fuel line to the carb?
I install them by
cutting the end of the hose at a long taper to get it started in the
hole , pull it in as far as needed with long nose pliers or a hemostat
then cut it off square and install the filter.

I hadn't thought of the filter. It must be still inside the tank.

I sometimes think back to when I was a kid fooling around gas tanks and hoses, etc. I remember a mesh. And I remember removing it. That must have been a filter. Damn. Geez.