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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:05:02 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:50:49 +0000, Bod wrote:

(out of interest)

I assume those a long way from main towns get low speeds like some of us
here.

I am getting a solid 10-11 meg on DSL. I could get Comcast cable and
10x that speed but it would be down once or twice a day, sometimes all
day. I saw them running a new "hardline" down my street, replacing
that 35 year old cable that was up there on the pole so if I hear
their reliability improved, I might give them another chance.

I tried an LTE (cell) connection and it sucked balls. I could get
anywhere from 25+m to zero, (totally down). I think they just sent be
a bad box but support from Verison was non-existent. Nobody seemed to
know squat about this new product. I sent it back during the free
trial period.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..

Channels 1-11 are on the 2.4GHz band. As a general rule, 2.4GHz gives you
better coverage and lower speed, compared to 5GHz.

The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.

Based on what you're saying, your laptop is dual band but your router only
does 2.4GHz. If you needed extra speed, you could either upgrade your
router or simply add a new router that you've configured to act as an
access point. Don't buy an actual access point since they cost more and do
much less than a wireless router.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 15:04:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/10/2021 2:49 PM, Fred wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 1/10/2021 12:20 PM, Fred wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
(out of interest)

I can have 1000Gb if I choose to pay
for that but choose to pay for 50Gb

The price difference does not usually justify the speed once you pass
a certain point.* Sending an email will take .01 seconds instead of
.001. For most of us the difference is negligible for everyday use.

It isnt the speed of sending email that matters, its uploading
videos, backups to the cloud etc that matters speed wise.

Upload speeds are always slower.

Upload speeds tend to be slower than download on cable systems, DSL, and
dial-up. Fiber systems tend to be symmetrical - same speed in both
directions.

Just click "send" and go to bed. We
did that in the old days downloading a file with a 1200 baud modem. For
most of us, that is done once a week or so, not five times a day. Is it
worth an extra $25 to $75 a month for it?

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:47:56 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:40:00 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

40 down / 40 up ...
.. over home wifi , fiber fed ; 12 year old laptop and router.

https://www.sasktel.com/personal/int...est/speed-test




I got 235 down and 11 up going to that link . I am rated for 200 and 10
by the cable company.

My over 10 year old computer is connected through about 3 feet of wire
to the modem/router. I have noticed that on my laptop and another
computer that is wireless to the router I get around 50 for the down and
11 for the up . The laptop is only around 2 years old.

Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

Virtually all relaively current routers can handle 5ghz. (less than 8
years old?) - actually 802.11n became standard in 2009 - so over 10
years -- and pre-standard 5Ghz was available back as far as 1999

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 15:46:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:47:56 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:40:00 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

40 down / 40 up ...
.. over home wifi , fiber fed ; 12 year old laptop and router.

https://www.sasktel.com/personal/int...est/speed-test




I got 235 down and 11 up going to that link . I am rated for 200 and 10
by the cable company.

My over 10 year old computer is connected through about 3 feet of wire
to the modem/router. I have noticed that on my laptop and another
computer that is wireless to the router I get around 50 for the down and
11 for the up . The laptop is only around 2 years old.

Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.



I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

As expected.

Also logged into the router and couldn't
even find any speed settings in their menus .. dunno.

Right. There isn't going to be a speed setting, per se. You just have to
know that the 5GHz band usually gets you better speed, at the cost of
poorer coverage, compared to the more congested 2.4GHz band. The higher
frequencies have a harder time penetrating walls, for example. The other
benefits of the 5GH band are wider channel bandwidth and much less
congestion, partly because the 5GHz channels don't overlap each other,
which is another way of saying they don't interfere with each other. On the
2.4GHz band, the only clear channels are 1, 6, and 11, but only if everyone
plays by those rules. You can do the right thing and stick to one of those
3 channels, but if your neighbor is using a channel in between, you'll see
it as interference.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 15:46:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:47:56 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:40:00 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

40 down / 40 up ...
.. over home wifi , fiber fed ; 12 year old laptop and router.

https://www.sasktel.com/personal/int...est/speed-test




I got 235 down and 11 up going to that link . I am rated for 200 and 10
by the cable company.

My over 10 year old computer is connected through about 3 feet of wire
to the modem/router. I have noticed that on my laptop and another
computer that is wireless to the router I get around 50 for the down and
11 for the up . The laptop is only around 2 years old.

Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.



I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all. Also logged into the router and couldn't
even find any speed settings in their menus .. dunno.
John T.

How old is your laptop, John? and what router are you using? If both
router and laptop support both speeds you will have the option to
connect to 2 different connections on the router when you connect.
With mynewer laptop I can connect to my main router as either 2.4 or 5
Ghz - my i-phone automatically sellects the highest speed available
and supports g, n, and ac

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..
The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.
The channel only makes a difference if you have interference (from
another modem or sometimes (particularly on 2.4ghz) a cordless phone.
The 5.2 band is your high speed - possibly your riuter does not
support it?? What make/model?

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:08:06 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



wrote in message
.. .


Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.

My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.

And that's what you should be changing to see if
you can get a better thruput with a less busy channel.

No mention of ghz ..

You only get that when the router can do more than one band.

The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width
selections for band 2.4 and band 5.2

Those are the ghz. That's the band frequency, not the thruput speed.
But the band frequency pretty much dictates the maximum throughput.
2.4 tops out at 450 or 600 - 5.2 can support up to 1300 Mbps

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:21:39 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..

Channels 1-11 are on the 2.4GHz band. As a general rule, 2.4GHz gives you
better coverage and lower speed, compared to 5GHz.

The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.

Based on what you're saying, your laptop is dual band but your router only
does 2.4GHz. If you needed extra speed, you could either upgrade your
router or simply add a new router that you've configured to act as an
access point. Don't buy an actual access point since they cost more and do
much less than a wireless router.


Thanks.
The router turbo hub is NetGear MBR1210 I can't see
any mention of the 5 ghz band in the literature.
John T.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:35:09 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..
The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.
The channel only makes a difference if you have interference (from
another modem or sometimes (particularly on 2.4ghz) a cordless phone.
The 5.2 band is your high speed - possibly your riuter does not
support it?? What make/model?


Thanks.
The router turbo hub is NetGear MBR1210 I can't see
any mention of the 5 ghz band in the literature.
John T.

On 1/10/2021 8:50 AM, Bod wrote:
(out of interest)

I assume those a long way from main towns get low speeds like some of us here.


Comcast - 952 Mbps download and 42 Mbps upload


I'm in an AT$T Slow-verse neighborhood so fastest speed they offer here is 6 Mbps download and less than 1 Mbps up.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:57:08 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:21:39 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..

Channels 1-11 are on the 2.4GHz band. As a general rule, 2.4GHz gives you
better coverage and lower speed, compared to 5GHz.

The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.

Based on what you're saying, your laptop is dual band but your router only
does 2.4GHz. If you needed extra speed, you could either upgrade your
router or simply add a new router that you've configured to act as an
access point. Don't buy an actual access point since they cost more and do
much less than a wireless router.


Thanks.
The router turbo hub is NetGear MBR1210 I can't see
any mention of the 5 ghz band in the literature.
John T.

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

On 1/10/21 10:34 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

I upgraded my router about 5 years ago when my internet speed went from
15Mbps to 50Mbps. The old router (Linksys WRT54G) could not handle the
current speed.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Perhaps God is not dead; perhaps God is himself mad." [R.D. Laing]

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:17:41 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 1/10/21 10:34 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

I upgraded my router about 5 years ago when my internet speed went from
15Mbps to 50Mbps. The old router (Linksys WRT54G) could not handle the
current speed.


It would be nice to borrow a newer router and test it in my home -
my wife's covid home office is second floor bedroom - router is on
the main floor - the existing setup works - I wouldn't want to
compromise her work usage.
John T.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:28:58 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:17:41 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 1/10/21 10:34 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

I upgraded my router about 5 years ago when my internet speed went from
15Mbps to 50Mbps. The old router (Linksys WRT54G) could not handle the
current speed.


It would be nice to borrow a newer router and test it in my home -
my wife's covid home office is second floor bedroom - router is on
the main floor - the existing setup works - I wouldn't want to
compromise her work usage.
John T.


OK .. I found an old D-Link DIR-815 in my box of goodies -
... on the 5 ghz band it was slightly faster within ~ 20 feet ;
- but almost zero signal in the basement
where the NetGear MBR1210 has good performance ;
it was about equal to the NetGear in the upstairs office.
It's possible that a newer & better 5 ghz router would
improve performance but I'm not suffering with what I have now.
Thanks all for the comments.
John T.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:57:08 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:21:39 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:03:48 -0500, wrote:



Your WiFi sounds like it's using the 2.4GHz band. If you switch to the
5GHz
band you'll likely see the same 235/11 that you see on the wired
computer.

Not always, plenty of modems cant do the higher speeds on wifi.

I made that exact change on my wife's laptop last year and she's
happy with the extra speed. I used a $10 tp-link WiFi adapter
that's about the size of a thumb nail, plugged into a USB port.

I just tried adjusting my laptop wifi settings in Device Mgr -
no improvement at all.

You need to change the channel used and that
isnt usually done in the device manager.

Also logged into the router and couldn't even
find any speed settings in their menus ..

You need to change the channel used, not the speed settings.


My router channel selections are Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, .. 11.
No mention of ghz ..

Channels 1-11 are on the 2.4GHz band. As a general rule, 2.4GHz gives you
better coverage and lower speed, compared to 5GHz.

The laptop Wifi has 802.11n channel width selections
for band 2.4 and band 5.2
John T.

Based on what you're saying, your laptop is dual band but your router only
does 2.4GHz. If you needed extra speed, you could either upgrade your
router or simply add a new router that you've configured to act as an
access point. Don't buy an actual access point since they cost more and do
much less than a wireless router.


Thanks.
The router turbo hub is NetGear MBR1210 I can't see
any mention of the 5 ghz band in the literature.
John T.
It is a 2.4Ghz only router.
Too bad we are lockdown or I'd meet you at Schmitsville and trade you
a DIR815 dual band for lunch, John

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:28:58 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:17:41 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 1/10/21 10:34 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

I upgraded my router about 5 years ago when my internet speed went from
15Mbps to 50Mbps. The old router (Linksys WRT54G) could not handle the
current speed.


It would be nice to borrow a newer router and test it in my home -
my wife's covid home office is second floor bedroom - router is on
the main floor - the existing setup works - I wouldn't want to
compromise her work usage.
John T.
My modem is in the basement under an 8 inch steel beam and about 2
feet from the furnace ducts and I get 5Ghz connection on the second
floor at the far corner of the house, and on the back deck but not on
my driveway. House is 20X30

Thanks.
The router turbo hub is NetGear MBR1210 I can't see
any mention of the 5 ghz band in the literature.
John T.


It is a 2.4Ghz only router.
Too bad we are lockdown or I'd meet you at Schmitsville and trade you
a DIR815 dual band for lunch, John




OK .. I found an old D-Link DIR-815 in my box of goodies -
... on the 5 ghz band it was slightly faster within ~ 20 feet ;
- but almost zero signal in the basement
where the NetGear MBR1210 has good performance ;
it was about equal to the NetGear in the upstairs office.
It's possible that a newer & better 5 ghz router would
improve performance but I'm not suffering with what I have now.
Thanks all for the comments.
John T.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:17:41 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 1/10/21 10:34 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

That router looks about 10 years old or so. I know people hate to upgrade
things that still work, but I agree that it seems to be 2.4GHz only.

I upgraded my router about 5 years ago when my internet speed went from
15Mbps to 50Mbps. The old router (Linksys WRT54G) could not handle the
current speed.

I used to be a big fan of the Linux version of those things, the WRT54GL,
which I loaded with dd-wrt firmware. I used one as my main router, 3 more
were scattered around the house and configured as access points, with
another 3 configured as clients. I also installed them for other people as
a side hustle and remember placing 3 orders from Newegg for a dozen each
time, plus quite a few smaller orders. When the bottom fell out and they
couldn't keep up with newer faster Internet speeds, I donated 10 to
Goodwill, some still new in the box. Great little units.