On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:23 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

She still doesn't understand that the purpose of wearing masks is
to protect other people from the mask wearer, and not the mask wearer
from other people.

Including the wearing of masks by surgeons.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk' cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections. Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly controlling the disease.


If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a MAGA hat.


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On 7/4/2020 11:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:23 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

She still doesn't understand that the purpose of wearing masks is
to protect other people from the mask wearer, and not the mask wearer
from other people.

Including the wearing of masks by surgeons.

Cindy Hamilton


They make a significant difference either way. Even more, both ways.

It is all in improving the percentages. The risks are reduced
substantially, not eliminated.

On 7/4/2020 2:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:23 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience* ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients from getting infections. They WORK!


A mask is just a bra for America's sagging triple chins.


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On 07/04/2020 12:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:23 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

She still doesn't understand that the purpose of wearing masks is
to protect other people from the mask wearer, and not the mask wearer
from other people.

Including the wearing of masks by surgeons.

A couple of nights ago I watched 'Bad for Each Other', a 1953 medical
drama with Charlton Heston. As might be expected the cars, scenery,
dress, and so forth were badly dated but the masks in the OR looked
right at home in 2020.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
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On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:23 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

She still doesn't understand that the purpose of wearing masks is
to protect other people from the mask wearer, and not the mask wearer
from other people.

Its actually for both.

Including the wearing of masks by surgeons.

But not with the use of PPE masks when testing and
treating those who are known to be infected with the virus.

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On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu,
Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections. Maybe
that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly controlling the
disease.

In those two cases it was much more about the very aggressive
steps they took to isolate those who were infected.

Its like that the use of masks is why Japan did quite well,
but it could also be just because they are much less into
hugging and shaking hands and stuff like that too.

on 7/4/2020, Muggles supposed :
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.

But not as many do, that is the point.

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On 7/4/2020 12:23 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


Sure, the mask is not 100% as there are other ways to contract it. If
they did not work, they would not be using them. They may contact a
dozen patients close up versus you at a little distance.

I'll still take science and common sense over a few stubborn non-medical
people on the internet.

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:51:38 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu,
Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.


I also see plenty of the 20-40 without masks but if we believe the
hype, why would a senior worry about a mask?
It isn't protecting them and if they get the virus it is unlikely to
be asymptomatic. They are not going to be out there spreading it
anyway. Everyone says they just drop over dead after a short visit in
the ICU.

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:33 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
wrote:

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk' cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections. Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly controlling the disease.


If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a MAGA hat.

N5?
You really think a bandanna catches 5% of 0.3 micron particles?

On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.
--
Maggie

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:39:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:51:38 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu,
Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.


I also see plenty of the 20-40 without masks but if we believe the
hype, why would a senior worry about a mask?
It isn't protecting them and if they get the virus it is unlikely to
be asymptomatic. They are not going to be out there spreading it
anyway. Everyone says they just drop over dead after a short visit in
the ICU.

Everyone says? LOL That's the equivalent of Trump's "people are saying."

Translation: no one is saying.

On 7/4/2020 5:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:33 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
wrote:

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon people
doing the right things for the right reasons.

How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?
Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.
That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk' cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.


Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections. Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly controlling the disease.

If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a MAGA hat.
N5?
You really think a bandanna catches 5% of 0.3 micron particles?


Maybe if the bandanna is made out of Saran Wrap?


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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:51:38 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian flu,
Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.

I also see plenty of the 20-40 without masks but
if we believe the hype, why would a senior worry
about a mask? It isn't protecting them

That's mindless bull**** when out and about with lots of people about.

and if they get the virus it is unlikely to be asymptomatic.

More pig ignorant bull****.

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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:33 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
wrote:

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian
flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections.
Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly
controlling the disease.


If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them
instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a
MAGA hat.

N5?
You really think a bandanna catches 5% of 0.3 micron particles?

That's not the size of the droplets, stupid.

On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point? Should we do away with all protection?

"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Not from what the surgeon they don't.

On 05/07/2020 04:05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point?* Should we do away with all protection?

Muggles is so concerned about women in other countries having abortions,
but has no compassion for folks dying in her own country. "People get
sick, and people die".
It's all matter of fact to her.
I would have thought that a true christian would have at least said I'll
pray for them.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:00:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:33 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
wrote:

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian
flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections.
Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly
controlling the disease.


If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them
instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a
MAGA hat.

N5?
You really think a bandanna catches 5% of 0.3 micron particles?

That's not the size of the droplets, stupid.

But it is 3 times the size of the virus.

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:00:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:33 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
wrote:

On 7/4/2020 2:25 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2020 09:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?

Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.

That's the problem, isn't it? My past experiences include the Asian
flu, Hong Kong flu, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, and so forth. No
lockdowns, no masks, no business closures and life went on.

Purely personal and anecdotal but from my observations the 'at risk'
cohort is the ones NOT wearing masks.



Most Asian countries were masks in large numbers during infections.
Maybe that had something to do with China and S Korea quickly
controlling the disease.


If masks actually worked, the snowflake virusphobes could wear them
instead of creating global lockdowns.

Seriously, just put on your N5 mask and stay 6' away from anyone with a
MAGA hat.

N5?
You really think a bandanna catches 5% of 0.3 micron particles?

That's not the size of the droplets, stupid.

But it is 3 times the size of the virus.

The size of the virus is irrelevant. What
matters is the size of the droplets, stupid.

On 07/04/2020 01:19 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:
Its like that the use of masks is why Japan did quite well,
but it could also be just because they are much less into
hugging and shaking hands and stuff like that too.

There is that. I've never been into that touchy-feely **** so I
definitely won't miss that part of the new normal. You want to hug me,
you'd better be female and presentable.

Come to think of it, maybe that's why Italy had a lot more problems than
Germany.

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On 7/4/2020 2:31 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 7/4/2020, Muggles supposed :
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.


People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience* ^.


But not as many do, that is the point.

How do you know since there's no means by which to test everyone let
alone know which practices led to someone NOT catching a virus?

--
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On 7/4/2020 3:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 12:23 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience* ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


Sure, the mask is not 100% as there are other ways to contract it.* If
they did not work, they would not be using them.* They may contact a
dozen patients close up versus you at a little distance.

They? There are alot of "they's" NOT using them.

I'll still take science and common sense over a few stubborn non-medical
people on the internet.


Common sense has always been to wash your hands and not touch your face
all the time.
--
Maggie

On 7/4/2020 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point?* Should we do away with all protection?

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible. Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.

--
Maggie

On 7/5/2020 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point?* Should we do away with all protection?

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible. Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.


Correct. Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

On 7/5/2020 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible.* Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.


Correct.* Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

For perpetuity we've NEVER known if that stranger at the store is
healthy. We've never made people wear masks for that reason.

--
Maggie

On 7/5/2020 12:17 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/5/2020 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible.* Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.


Correct.* Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

For perpetuity we've NEVER known if that stranger at the store is
healthy. We've never made people wear masks for that reason.


Playing the odds. Six months ago it was the common cold and low
incidence. Today it is Corona and a higher incidence.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:52:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/5/2020 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point?Â* Should we do away with all protection?

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible. Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.


Correct. Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

I assume everyone has it and I don't get close to anyone. If I do,
like someone passing me at Publix, I hold my breath until they are
gone. In real life, that part of distancing seems to be working well
here. People are not jamming each other up much at all. At least in my
little circle of travel, folks do distance.
The consensus I have seen of rational medical people is this does not
get transmitted from brief and incidental contact like walking by
someone. It is from close prolonged contact like a crowded bar or
sitting in church , movies, sport events, public transit or anywhere
where you are elbow to elbow for a prolonged time.
Other than that, wash your hands and don't pick your nose.

"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2020 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point? Should we do away with all protection?

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible.

And when testing those for the virus who might be infected.

Healthy people don't wear masks just for the sake of it,

Those with even half a clue do in situations where social
distancing isn't feasible like on planes or trains or buses.

and don't wear them around other healthy people.

Those with even half a clue do in situations where social
distancing isn't feasible like on planes or trains or buses.

"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2020 3:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 12:23 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.

People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


Why do you suppose they wear them in the operating room? Because they
prevent infections.

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


Sure, the mask is not 100% as there are other ways to contract it. If
they did not work, they would not be using them. They may contact a
dozen patients close up versus you at a little distance.

They? There are alot of "they's" NOT using them.

Yep, plenty as stupid and pig ignorant as you.

I'll still take science and common sense over a
few stubborn non-medical people on the internet.

Common sense has always been to wash your
hands and not touch your face all the time.

Doesn't help when social distancing isnt possible
like on a train, plane or bus. Yes, you don't do that
and couldn't care less about those who do.

"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2020 2:31 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 7/4/2020, Muggles supposed :
On 7/4/2020 11:20 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/4/2020 9:03 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:25 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Muggles laid this down on his screen :
On 7/2/2020 3:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Without enforcement, there is no law. Too bad we cannot rely upon
people
doing the right things for the right reasons.


How do you decide what the right things for the right reasons are
going
to be?


Learning from past experiences, applying lessons learned to the
future.
It involves thinking, so maybe not for you.


Past experiences prove masks don't work.


Ignorantly wrong.


People STILL catch the virus while wearing masks.
Past experience ^.


But not as many do, that is the point.

How do you know

By doing some rigorous scientific research.

since there's no means by which to test everyone

Don't need to do that.

let alone know which practices led to someone NOT catching a virus?

That's bull**** when you observe that no one who stayed
home and never let anyone visit them and disinfected
everything that came into the house didn't catch it.

On 7/5/2020 9:17 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/5/2020 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible.* Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.

They do often, all over the world. And in a pandemic, it is perfectly
legal to require them to slow the spread of disease.



Correct.* Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

For perpetuity we've NEVER known if that stranger at the store is
healthy. We've never made people wear masks for that reason.


Liar!
https://www.history.com/news/1918-sp...ing-resistance

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:52:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/5/2020 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/4/2020 6:14 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/4/2020 1:23 PM, Bob F wrote:

They wear medical grade masks, and include other measures, and yet,
Dr.'s have still caught the virus.


The reason they started wearing them in surgery was to prevent
patients
from getting infections. They WORK!

YET, people still get infections from surgeries.

Your point? Should we do away with all protection?

They use masks when people need surgery, or are susceptible. Healthy
people don't wear masks just for the sake of it, and don't wear them
around other healthy people.


Correct. Problem is, you don't know if that stranger at the store is
healthy.

I assume everyone has it and I don't get close
to anyone. If I do,like someone passing me at
Publix, I hold my breath until they are gone.

Doesnt help with what ends up on your clothes as you pass them.

In real life, that part of distancing seems to be working well here.

Clearly doesnt in Texas currently.

People are not jamming each other up much at all.
At least in my little circle of travel, folks do distance.

They clearly cant in the shops.

The consensus I have seen of rational medical
people is this does not get transmitted from brief
and incidental contact like walking by someone.

But there is no way to actually test that claim.
And some of the virus must end up on your clothes
if the infected person doesnt wear a mask.

It is from close prolonged contact like a crowded bar or
sitting in church , movies, sport events, public transit or
anywhere where you are elbow to elbow for a prolonged time.

That has certainly been shown very clearly, but its silly
to claim that you cant get infected by very short term
closer contact when passing someone in the shop etc.

Other than that, wash your hands and don't pick your nose.

Doesnt stop it getting on your clothes.

At one time I did wear different clothes when out
of the house shopping etc and went out infrequently
enough so that any virus wouldnt have survived on
cloth by the next time I wore those clothes. And I
washed my hands well when I had changed after
coming home too.

I dont bother anymore because we now have so
little virus in my health district which is the same
size as the smaller US states. Not one positive in
55 days now. But it remains to be seen what will
happen now that we have a hotspot in Melbourne
which is only a few hundred miles away from here
and which got just over 100 new positives on
Saturday with a new lockdown in the worst parts
of Melbourne now.