Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

--
Tekkie

On 10/16/17 4:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.


Crimped copper pigtails are very common when retrofitting a home that
was wired with aluminum wiring.

On 16-Oct-17 3:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

I'd say "rare" in the overall scheme of things...there are some specific
places as another noted that there's a reason like switching conductor
material where the splice is an approved connector for both but not
supposed to mate the two materials directly to each other...

Other than that, the occasional butt splice for a repair is about all
I've ever seen...and it, of course, by Code must be accessible (not that
I've not repaired an underground feeder on occasion to not have to pull
the whole run...I'm not sure on Code about that one; seems terribly
onerous if there's just been one gopher to pull hundreds of feet of #4
or larger CU)

--

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:40:17 -0400, Retired wrote:

On 10/16/17 4:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.


Crimped copper pigtails are very common when retrofitting a home that
was wired with aluminum wiring.
HELLISHLY expensive though. You cannot buy the tool, and you need to
be authorized to rent it - and to be authorized you need to pay for
and complete a training course.

Typical cost is half the price of rewiring the home with copper -
which is JUST PLAIN INSANE!!!

The ideal purple nuts have been implicated is numerous fires and are
no longer legal to use for transition from aluminum to copper in
Canada. Here we can only use the brown bakelite Marrette ACS wirenuts
from Thomas and Betts. They can be used for copper/copper, al/al, and
copper/al connections. A bit more expensive than standard Marrettes,
or particularly the cheap plastic Chinese "wire nuts" that are
available everywhere for "peanuts" The ACS will not welt if they get
hot, and they will not burn.

I just did my house about 2 years ago, using aluminum rated devices
where available, and pigtailing to copper with ACS wirenuts where
required (no AL rated GFCI devices, or dimmer switches,and most
"direct wire" fictures and appliances. My new Square D QO distribution
panel is rated for AL or copper, so no problem there.

I managed to get the required permits and inpections although under
current regulations you MUST be a licenced electrician to do ANYTHING
on aluminum wire in Ontario. Yje inspections were required for
insurance purposes - and the permits were required to get the
inspections - - - .

My dad was an electrician, and I had worked with him many times and
knew how to do things right - which likely helped. (Dad had died
several years earlier, so I could not have him do the work or apply
for the permits)

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

Now I'm curious. Was this a fire, in a home?

I have noted that wire 'might' be soldered?

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

There was a fad for a while to use crimp rings but that went away
pretty fast. If you find an old pair of Kliens, you will see the crimp
barrel right near the hinge.

Tekkie® posted for all of us...



Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

I am referring to the insulated ring or spade connectors. Here is a link to
the insulated terminals shown toward the lower half of the page.

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html

--
Tekkie

Oren posted for all of us...



On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

Now I'm curious. Was this a fire, in a home?

I have noted that wire 'might' be soldered?

It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred.

--
Tekkie

posted for all of us...



On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

There was a fad for a while to use crimp rings but that went away
pretty fast. If you find an old pair of Kliens, you will see the crimp
barrel right near the hinge.

Oh yeah, they (Kliens) are still there. I was curious as to a magazine
article relating to an electrocution. I have not seen any in my time; here
in the emergency services.

--
Tekkie

On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
....

It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred.

Specifics and how was the connector implicated?

I've NEVER seen spade lug or ring terminal on household wiring per se;
appliances and such, sure, but in the actual house wiring, no.

That said, given the penchant for homeowners of zero skills and
knowledge to do untold things, that doesn't imply there are no instances
out there...

--

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:03:15 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J.
Burke" wrote:

On 10/16/2017 1:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.


Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?!

The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie!
- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant.
- correct Latin

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out
because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there
wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)

Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism:
"The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional
to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'."

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:03:07 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.


Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?!

The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie!

Idiot!

--
Retarded, anal, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident
psychopath, dumb serbian bitch G. Razovic (aka "The Rectum").

..

i have a boner

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:52:05 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Tekkie® posted for all of us...



Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.

I am referring to the insulated ring or spade connectors. Here is a link to
the insulated terminals shown toward the lower half of the page.

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html
Not approved or useable on solid wire.

% wrote:
.

i have a boner

Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires
getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them.

On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote:
% wrote:
.

i have a boner

Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires
getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them.


can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor

% wrote:
On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote:
% wrote:
.

i have a boner

Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires
getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them.


can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor

Sure that'll work.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0700, % wrote:

.

i have a boner

The Foreskin Peeler will peel it for you. It's what he does.
- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant.
- correct Latin

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out
because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there
wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)

Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism:
"The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional
to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'."

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:40:52 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:


i have a boner

I have an asshole. It's a match made in heaven!

You sick fag! tsk

--
sully to stinking Goran Razovic, our resident psychopath (aka "The Rectum"):
"frankly you're a dingleberry on usenet's ass"
MID:

On 2017-10-18 1:02 AM, Tony wrote:
% wrote:
On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote:
% wrote:
.

i have a boner

Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires
getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them.


can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor

Sure that'll work.

i like the air gun zing sound

dpb posted for all of us...



On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
...

It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred.

Specifics and how was the connector implicated?

I've NEVER seen spade lug or ring terminal on household wiring per se;
appliances and such, sure, but in the actual house wiring, no.

That said, given the penchant for homeowners of zero skills and
knowledge to do untold things, that doesn't imply there are no instances
out there...

I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how
common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated.

--
Tekkie

On 18-Oct-17 2:41 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
dpb posted for all of us...



On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
...

It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred.

....

I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how
common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated.

Well, no, but you didn't say it wasn't, either...

So what purpose did the mention of the event play; none?

--

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:06:04 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J.
Burke" wrote:

On 10/17/2017 1:03 PM, jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash) wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:03:15 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J.
Burke" wrote:

On 10/16/2017 1:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to
how widespread it is.


Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?!

The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie!

OMGAWD! HOW RUDE!

How ****in' DUMB! Who did you THINK does the crimping???
- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant.
- correct Latin

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out
because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there
wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)

Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism:
"The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional
to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'."

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:57:02 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:

Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?!

The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie!

OMGAWD! HOW RUDE!

How ****in' DUMB! Who did you THINK does the crimping???

Which part of you DOES the "thinking", Miss Recktum? Your asshole?

--
Michael about Gay Razovic:
"He is a mangina- the shape of a man, the masculinity of a vagina."
MID:

=?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= wrote in
:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.

Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...

--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

dpb posted for all of us...



On 18-Oct-17 2:41 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
dpb posted for all of us...



On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
...

It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred.

...

I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how
common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated.

Well, no, but you didn't say it wasn't, either...

So what purpose did the mention of the event play; none?

I saw a picture of a crimped connection to an outlet, which I had never seen
before; which raised my curiosity, the fault was elsewhere.

--
Tekkie

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.
Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...



Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector

Crimp connectors look more like these :

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html

Regardless - if you are having troubles with your aluminum wiring
you would be wise to have it corrected by a professional -
- before you have a fire.

John T.

In article ,
says...


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.
Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...



Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector

Crimp connectors look more like these :

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html


The ones we used about 1970 in the mobile homes looked like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-410-I...mp-Connector--
18-10-AWG/p2120846

To insulate them we sues something like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-445-I...15-Insulator--
600-1000-Volt--For-Model-410-Crimp-Connectors--50-Box/p1954310


The first one looks like a metal top hat (very small) with a hole all
the way through it and over that went the wrap cap that was made out of
a rubber like material.

I think the wires wee supose to be twisted before the connector was
crimped, then the wire ends sticking out were to be cut off.

Solid wire does notusually work well with crimp connectors.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:09:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.
Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...



Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector

Crimp connectors look more like these :

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html


The ones we used about 1970 in the mobile homes looked like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-410-I...mp-Connector--
18-10-AWG/p2120846

To insulate them we sues something like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-445-I...15-Insulator--
600-1000-Volt--For-Model-410-Crimp-Connectors--50-Box/p1954310


The first one looks like a metal top hat (very small) with a hole all
the way through it and over that went the wrap cap that was made out of
a rubber like material.

I think the wires wee supose to be twisted before the connector was
crimped, then the wire ends sticking out were to be cut off.

Solid wire does notusually work well with crimp connectors.


Those are the crimp sleeves I was talking about. I don't see them used
anymore but, as you say, they were popular in the 70s ... but so were
leisure suits, ABBA and aluminum wire.

On 19 Oct 2017 17:59:14 GMT, KenK wrote:

=?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= wrote in
:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.

Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...
A twisted connection isn't a crimp, and "mobile homes" are a
different situation completely - different code - and done as cheaply
as possible.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:09:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.
Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...



Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector

Crimp connectors look more like these :

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html


The ones we used about 1970 in the mobile homes looked like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-410-I...mp-Connector--
18-10-AWG/p2120846

No good for Aluminum - and generally not used in residential wiring -
not sure if they even meet code.

To insulate them we sues something like this.

https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-445-I...15-Insulator--
600-1000-Volt--For-Model-410-Crimp-Connectors--50-Box/p1954310


The first one looks like a metal top hat (very small) with a hole all
the way through it and over that went the wrap cap that was made out of
a rubber like material.

I think the wires wee supose to be twisted before the connector was
crimped, then the wire ends sticking out were to be cut off.

Solid wire does notusually work well with crimp connectors.

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 3:16:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.
Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...



Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

We call those wire nuts in these parts. Never heard them call a
Marrette before. Sounds like a dance troupe.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector

Crimp connectors look more like these :

https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html

Regardless - if you are having troubles with your aluminum wiring
you would be wise to have it corrected by a professional -
- before you have a fire.

John T.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses
twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below.

We call those wire nuts in these parts. Never heard them call a
Marrette before. Sounds like a dance troupe.

Don't speak Canadian in NJ eh?
Marrette is named after the company that makes them up there and the
founder Wm. Marr
The original was a barrel and setscrew design with a insulating cap
that screwed on. I have seen a few of them over the years.
The current product is a coiled spring screw on, like a regular US
wire nut.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:31:16 -0400, wrote:

On 19 Oct 2017 17:59:14 GMT, KenK wrote:

=?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= wrote in
:


Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious
as to how widespread it is.


My old mobile home has them.

Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I
suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected
aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it...
A twisted connection isn't a crimp, and "mobile homes" are a
different situation completely - different code - and done as cheaply
as possible.

Maybe in Canada but mobile homes in the US (AKA HUD models) follow the
NEC. If they title them as an RV, then it is the wild wild west with
nothing but industry standards and perhaps some CPSC involvement. The
NEC stops at the pedestal they plug into.