I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject? (groan like there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

wrote:
I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

Nothing wrong with crimps.

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On Sunday 11 August 2013 16:45 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be quite
easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject? (groan like
there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp will NOT
pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of "scissor"
crimps though.

One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out of
standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.

What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to
crimp?

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ARW wrote:

wrote:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

Nothing wrong with crimps.

But is there anything wrong with bullet connectors, not good to allow
the earth to be disconnected easily, separate to the other conductors?

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:05:32 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 16:45 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject? (groan
like there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp will
NOT pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor" crimps though.

One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out of
standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.

What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to
crimp?

The crimps are OK, but for something safety critical like an earth, I'd
not want easily detachable (tool-less) connections to it!

I think electrical earths require a continuous conductor between the
earth bar and clamps etc.,

Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote:

wrote:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

Nothing wrong with crimps.

But is there anything wrong with bullet connectors, not good to allow
the earth to be disconnected easily, separate to the other conductors?

Ah. I read it as through connectors.

Bullet connectors are a no no.

Thanks Andy.

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On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp will NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of "scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this arrangement permanent.

On Sunday 11 August 2013 17:58 Andy Burns wrote in uk.d-i-y:

ARW wrote:

wrote:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

Nothing wrong with crimps.

But is there anything wrong with bullet connectors, not good to allow
the earth to be disconnected easily, separate to the other conductors?

Don;t use bullet connectors anywhere near mains. They are good for bugger
all apart from your car radio,
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On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp will
NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of "scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm
concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of
this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped
properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this arrangement
permanent.

There is no problem at all with what you are doing.

Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those
wouldn't you?


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"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On Sunday 11 August 2013 16:45 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be quite
easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject? (groan like
there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp will
NOT
pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of "scissor"
crimps though.

Bullet connectors are designed to pull apart.

harryagain wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On Sunday 11 August 2013 16:45 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:
I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT
pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor" crimps though.

Bullet connectors are designed to pull apart.

As pointed out by Andy Burns over 2 hours ago

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:13:29 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm
concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out
of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of
this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped
properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this
arrangement permanent.

There is no problem at all with what you are doing.

Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those
wouldn't you?

Either screws or crimped... all a bit academic if the bullet connector
has been parted...!

On 11/08/2013 20:23, ARW wrote:
harryagain wrote:
"Tim wrote in message
...
On Sunday 11 August 2013 16:45 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:
I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

ta.

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT
pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor" crimps though.

Bullet connectors are designed to pull apart.

As pointed out by Andy Burns over 2 hours ago


Indeed. But if you want it make it less likely that they will pull apart
when you don't want them to, you can always fold the wires back on each
other and put some cable ties round them (the wires, that is) for strain
relief. Almost certainly wouldn't meet any relevant regs, but it should
*work*.
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On Sunday 11 August 2013 20:30 steve wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:13:29 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm
concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out
of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of
this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped
properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this
arrangement permanent.

There is no problem at all with what you are doing.

Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those
wouldn't you?

Either screws or crimped... all a bit academic if the bullet connector
has been parted...!

I shoudl clarify that I mean "crimped barrel connectors" NOT any sort of
easily seperated connector.

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In article , Andy
Burns scribeth thus
ARW wrote:

wrote:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

Nothing wrong with crimps.

But is there anything wrong with bullet connectors, not good to allow
the earth to be disconnected easily, separate to the other conductors?


No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth
systems.

Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as
good as cold welding ...
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:34:32 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 20:30 steve wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:13:29 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm
concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the
earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out
of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing
to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes
of this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE
crimped properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this
arrangement permanent.

There is no problem at all with what you are doing.

Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those
wouldn't you?

Either screws or crimped... all a bit academic if the bullet connector
has been parted...!

I shoudl clarify that I mean "crimped barrel connectors" NOT any sort of
easily seperated connector.

I'm sure you did mean that, but your initial advice, along with an
electrician's was wrong and could have been dangerous.

On Sunday 11 August 2013 22:01 steve wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I'm sure you did mean that, but your initial advice, along with an
electrician's was wrong and could have been dangerous.

I think we all blanked out the "bullet" bit - my sanity filter certainly
removed it as a "why would anyone do that - does not compute..."?

The important thing is that it has been clarified -

1) No partable connectors

2) Crimped permanant joints are fine if done with the correct tools.


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On Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:43:12 UTC+2, tony sayer wrote:

No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth

systems.



Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as

good as cold welding ...


Non-sequitur alert!
I seem to have broken several otherwise-perfectly-intelligent people's brains with this simple query.

On 11/08/2013 23:36, wrote:
On Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:43:12 UTC+2, tony sayer wrote:

No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth

systems.



Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as

good as cold welding ...


Non-sequitur alert!
I seem to have broken several otherwise-perfectly-intelligent people's brains with this simple query.

It might be the similarity between butt crimps and bullet crimps. The
former (permanent cable jointing method) are fine, the latter
(demountable), not.


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On 11/08/2013 21:34, Tim Watts wrote:
On Sunday 11 August 2013 20:30 steve wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:13:29 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in
uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:

I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp
will NOT

pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of
"scissor"

crimps though.

Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm
concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.


One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out
of

standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.



What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to

crimp?

230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of
this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped
properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this
arrangement permanent.

There is no problem at all with what you are doing.

Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those
wouldn't you?

Either screws or crimped... all a bit academic if the bullet connector
has been parted...!

I shoudl clarify that I mean "crimped barrel connectors" NOT any sort of
easily seperated connector.

For the avoidance of doubt:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...:BlueCrimp.jpg



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On Monday, 12 August 2013 01:55:37 UTC+2, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/08/2013 21:34, Tim Watts wrote:

On Sunday 11 August 2013 20:30 steve wrote in uk.d-i-y:



On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:13:29 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:



On Sunday 11 August 2013 18:47 wrote in

uk.d-i-y:



On Sunday, 11 August 2013 18:05:32 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:



I do not see any probem with properly made crimps - a proper crimp

will NOT



pull apart. It may pull apart if you use a crap halfords set of

"scissor"



crimps though.



Er, bullet connectors are *supposed* to be pull-apartable and I'm

concerned they may do so accidentally thereby disconnecting the earth.





One you get to main earth connections, likelihood is you will be out

of



standard insulated crimps and into larger uninsulated crimps.







What is the conductor size and what type of earth are you proposing to



crimp?



230V motor grounding, 2.5mm^2 x-section earth wire. For the purposes of

this temporary lash-up, I'm using the blue connectors. They ARE crimped

properly, but It just doesn't seem right somehow to make this

arrangement permanent.



There is no problem at all with what you are doing.



Well done crimps are better than screw terminals and you'd use those

wouldn't you?



Either screws or crimped... all a bit academic if the bullet connector

has been parted...!



I shoudl clarify that I mean "crimped barrel connectors" NOT any sort of

easily seperated connector.



For the avoidance of doubt:



http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...:BlueCrimp.jpg


Indeed. These are the 'permanent' type. I have to admit to struggling a bit these days with the crimping process (my age, no doubt). I wonder if there's a civilised alternative to those clumping great ratchet thingies you have to be Popeye to close fully? I know there are hydraulic types available for thicker cables, but it would be nifty if something similar were obtainable for the red/blue/yellow standard as well.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:43:12 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Andy
Burns scribeth thus
ARW wrote:

wrote:

I'm guessing this is not kosher on the basis the connection can be
quite easily pulled apart? Are there any regs on the subject?
(groan like there's NOT going to be!)

Nothing wrong with crimps.

But is there anything wrong with bullet connectors, not good to allow
the earth to be disconnected easily, separate to the other conductors?


No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth
systems.


Unless you put isolating switches on both sides of the connectors,
thus preventing a risk of shock when breaking the earth circuit ;-).

AB

Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as
good as cold welding ...

On Sunday 11 August 2013 23:36 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:43:12 UTC+2, tony sayer wrote:

No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth

systems.



Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as

good as cold welding ...


Non-sequitur alert!
I seem to have broken several otherwise-perfectly-intelligent people's
brains with this simple query.

Why are you using bullet connectors anyway? Did you not have any barrel
crimps?


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On 12/08/2013 01:01, wrote:

Indeed. These are the 'permanent' type. I have to admit to struggling
a bit these days with the crimping process (my age, no doubt). I
wonder if there's a civilised alternative to those clumping great
ratchet thingies you have to be Popeye to close fully? I know there
are hydraulic types available for thicker cables, but it would be
nifty if something similar were obtainable for the red/blue/yellow
standard as well.

A couple of lengths of appropriately sized tubing to fit over the end of
the handles of the ratchet crimper and extend them a few inches would
do the trick.


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In article ,
scribeth thus
On Sunday, 11 August 2013 22:43:12 UTC+2, tony sayer wrote:

No No and three times No!. Bullet connectors are not to be used on Earth

systems.



Crimped with a good ratchet crimper and decent crimps are just fine as

good as cold welding ...


Non-sequitur alert!
I seem to have broken several otherwise-perfectly-intelligent people's brains
with this simple query.


Well seeing that there are some reading this who -might- think that this
is OK will do it on a permanent system with a none to good outcome if it
goes wrong.

Yes, if you --Know--- what you are doing and under some circumstances
then you can do that, but at a risk of encouraging some to do it who
might think its OK on a longer term permanent basis .. then best not...

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On Monday, 12 August 2013 07:33:10 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:


Why are you using bullet connectors anyway? Did you not have any barrel

crimps?

Yeah, loads of them. But this was just a temporary lash-up to see if the motor functioned, so I took no trouble over cable routing.

On 12/08/2013 11:31, wrote:
On Monday, 12 August 2013 07:33:10 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:


Why are you using bullet connectors anyway? Did you not have any barrel

crimps?

Yeah, loads of them. But this was just a temporary lash-up to see if the motor functioned, so I took no trouble over cable routing.


Would something like this be a better for testing?
http://www.burntec.com/Quick_Test_Mains_Connection_Box

(First hit on google, not necessarily the cheapest/best supplier)


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On 12/08/2013 13:10, Toby wrote:
On 12/08/2013 11:31, wrote:
On Monday, 12 August 2013 07:33:10 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:


Why are you using bullet connectors anyway? Did you not have any barrel

crimps?

Yeah, loads of them. But this was just a temporary lash-up to see if
the motor functioned, so I took no trouble over cable routing.


Would something like this be a better for testing?
http://www.burntec.com/Quick_Test_Mains_Connection_Box

(First hit on google, not necessarily the cheapest/best supplier)

Not exactly three phase though is it? ;-)

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On 12/08/2013 22:29, John Rumm wrote:
On 12/08/2013 13:10, Toby wrote:
On 12/08/2013 11:31, wrote:
On Monday, 12 August 2013 07:33:10 UTC+2, Tim Watts wrote:


Why are you using bullet connectors anyway? Did you not have any barrel

crimps?

Yeah, loads of them. But this was just a temporary lash-up to see if
the motor functioned, so I took no trouble over cable routing.


Would something like this be a better for testing?
http://www.burntec.com/Quick_Test_Mains_Connection_Box

(First hit on google, not necessarily the cheapest/best supplier)

Not exactly three phase though is it? ;-)


Then glue two together then ;-)


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