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Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. -- Tekkie |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On 10/16/17 4:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Crimped copper pigtails are very common when retrofitting a home that was wired with aluminum wiring. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On 16-Oct-17 3:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. I'd say "rare" in the overall scheme of things...there are some specific places as another noted that there's a reason like switching conductor material where the splice is an approved connector for both but not supposed to mate the two materials directly to each other... Other than that, the occasional butt splice for a repair is about all I've ever seen...and it, of course, by Code must be accessible (not that I've not repaired an underground feeder on occasion to not have to pull the whole run...I'm not sure on Code about that one; seems terribly onerous if there's just been one gopher to pull hundreds of feet of #4 or larger CU) -- |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:40:17 -0400, Retired wrote:
On 10/16/17 4:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Crimped copper pigtails are very common when retrofitting a home that was wired with aluminum wiring. HELLISHLY expensive though. You cannot buy the tool, and you need to be authorized to rent it - and to be authorized you need to pay for and complete a training course. Typical cost is half the price of rewiring the home with copper - which is JUST PLAIN INSANE!!! The ideal purple nuts have been implicated is numerous fires and are no longer legal to use for transition from aluminum to copper in Canada. Here we can only use the brown bakelite Marrette ACS wirenuts from Thomas and Betts. They can be used for copper/copper, al/al, and copper/al connections. A bit more expensive than standard Marrettes, or particularly the cheap plastic Chinese "wire nuts" that are available everywhere for "peanuts" The ACS will not welt if they get hot, and they will not burn. I just did my house about 2 years ago, using aluminum rated devices where available, and pigtailing to copper with ACS wirenuts where required (no AL rated GFCI devices, or dimmer switches,and most "direct wire" fictures and appliances. My new Square D QO distribution panel is rated for AL or copper, so no problem there. I managed to get the required permits and inpections although under current regulations you MUST be a licenced electrician to do ANYTHING on aluminum wire in Ontario. Yje inspections were required for insurance purposes - and the permits were required to get the inspections - - - . My dad was an electrician, and I had worked with him many times and knew how to do things right - which likely helped. (Dad had died several years earlier, so I could not have him do the work or apply for the permits) |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Now I'm curious. Was this a fire, in a home? I have noted that wire 'might' be soldered? |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. There was a fad for a while to use crimp rings but that went away pretty fast. If you find an old pair of Kliens, you will see the crimp barrel right near the hinge. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
Tekkie® posted for all of us...
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. I am referring to the insulated ring or spade connectors. Here is a link to the insulated terminals shown toward the lower half of the page. https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html -- Tekkie |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
Oren posted for all of us...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:36:36 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Now I'm curious. Was this a fire, in a home? I have noted that wire 'might' be soldered? It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred. -- Tekkie |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
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Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
.... It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred. Specifics and how was the connector implicated? I've NEVER seen spade lug or ring terminal on household wiring per se; appliances and such, sure, but in the actual house wiring, no. That said, given the penchant for homeowners of zero skills and knowledge to do untold things, that doesn't imply there are no instances out there... -- |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:03:15 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J.
Burke" wrote: On 10/16/2017 1:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?! The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie! - - " I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested Arizona." - Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant. - correct Latin "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" - Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896) "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984) Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism: "The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'." |
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Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:52:05 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: Tekkie® posted for all of us... Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. I am referring to the insulated ring or spade connectors. Here is a link to the insulated terminals shown toward the lower half of the page. https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html Not approved or useable on solid wire. |
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% wrote:
. i have a boner Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them. |
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On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote:
% wrote: . i have a boner Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them. can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor |
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% wrote:
On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote: % wrote: . i have a boner Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them. can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor Sure that'll work. |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0700, % wrote:
. i have a boner The Foreskin Peeler will peel it for you. It's what he does. - - " I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested Arizona." - Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant. - correct Latin "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" - Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896) "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984) Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism: "The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'." |
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On 2017-10-18 1:02 AM, Tony wrote:
% wrote: On 2017-10-17 6:18 PM, Tony wrote: % wrote: . i have a boner Stick a lugnut on the tip of that boner a twist-on. That's how wires getZ crimped then getZ a lugnut screwed on them. can i tighten it with a rachet on a compressor Sure that'll work. i like the air gun zing sound |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
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On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote: ... It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred. Specifics and how was the connector implicated? I've NEVER seen spade lug or ring terminal on household wiring per se; appliances and such, sure, but in the actual house wiring, no. That said, given the penchant for homeowners of zero skills and knowledge to do untold things, that doesn't imply there are no instances out there... I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated. -- Tekkie |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On 18-Oct-17 2:41 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
dpb posted for all of us... On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote: ... It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred. .... I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated. Well, no, but you didn't say it wasn't, either... :) So what purpose did the mention of the event play; none? -- |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:06:04 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J.
Burke" wrote: On 10/17/2017 1:03 PM, jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash) wrote: On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:03:15 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon Edmund J. Burke" wrote: On 10/16/2017 1:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?! The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie! OMGAWD! HOW RUDE! How ****in' DUMB! Who did you THINK does the crimping??? - - " I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested Arizona." - Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant. - correct Latin "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" - Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896) "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984) Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism: "The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'." |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:57:02 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)", farted again: Well, what I wanna know is WHO THE **** CRIMPED 'EM?! The CRIMPER, you dumb darkie! OMGAWD! HOW RUDE! How ****in' DUMB! Who did you THINK does the crimping??? Which part of you DOES the "thinking", Miss Recktum? Your asshole? -- Michael about Gay Razovic: "He is a mangina- the shape of a man, the masculinity of a vagina." MID: |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
=?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= wrote in
: Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
dpb posted for all of us...
On 18-Oct-17 2:41 PM, Tekkie® wrote: dpb posted for all of us... On 17-Oct-17 1:54 PM, Tekkie® wrote: ... It was shown in a magazine where an electrocution occurred. ... I never stated the connector was implicated. I was just curious as to how common the usage of crimped connectors was. Just as the subject stated. Well, no, but you didn't say it wasn't, either... :) So what purpose did the mention of the event play; none? I saw a picture of a crimped connection to an outlet, which I had never seen before; which raised my curiosity, the fault was elsewhere. -- Tekkie |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector Crimp connectors look more like these : https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html Regardless - if you are having troubles with your aluminum wiring you would be wise to have it corrected by a professional - - before you have a fire. John T. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:09:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector Crimp connectors look more like these : https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html The ones we used about 1970 in the mobile homes looked like this. https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-410-I...mp-Connector-- 18-10-AWG/p2120846 To insulate them we sues something like this. https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-445-I...15-Insulator-- 600-1000-Volt--For-Model-410-Crimp-Connectors--50-Box/p1954310 The first one looks like a metal top hat (very small) with a hole all the way through it and over that went the wrap cap that was made out of a rubber like material. I think the wires wee supose to be twisted before the connector was crimped, then the wire ends sticking out were to be cut off. Solid wire does notusually work well with crimp connectors. Those are the crimp sleeves I was talking about. I don't see them used anymore but, as you say, they were popular in the 70s ... but so were leisure suits, ABBA and aluminum wire. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On 19 Oct 2017 17:59:14 GMT, KenK wrote:
=?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= wrote in : Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... A twisted connection isn't a crimp, and "mobile homes" are a different situation completely - different code - and done as cheaply as possible. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:09:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector Crimp connectors look more like these : https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html The ones we used about 1970 in the mobile homes looked like this. https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-410-I...mp-Connector-- 18-10-AWG/p2120846 No good for Aluminum - and generally not used in residential wiring - not sure if they even meet code. To insulate them we sues something like this. https://www.cesco.com/Ideal-30-445-I...15-Insulator-- 600-1000-Volt--For-Model-410-Crimp-Connectors--50-Box/p1954310 The first one looks like a metal top hat (very small) with a hole all the way through it and over that went the wrap cap that was made out of a rubber like material. I think the wires wee supose to be twisted before the connector was crimped, then the wire ends sticking out were to be cut off. Solid wire does notusually work well with crimp connectors. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 3:16:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Has anyone used or seen crimped connectors in USA wiring? I am curious as to how widespread it is. My old mobile home has them. Ive currently got an open connection somewhere. I could well be wrong but I suspect it's one of those connectors (plastic cap over pair of connected aluminum wires). If I had known before I bought it... Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below. We call those wire nuts in these parts. Never heard them call a Marrette before. Sounds like a dance troupe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector Crimp connectors look more like these : https://www.allelectronics.com/categ...rminals/1.html Regardless - if you are having troubles with your aluminum wiring you would be wise to have it corrected by a professional - - before you have a fire. John T. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: Hi KenK ; I suspect that your old mobile home wiring uses twist-on connectors - commonly called Marrettes - link below. We call those wire nuts in these parts. Never heard them call a Marrette before. Sounds like a dance troupe. Don't speak Canadian in NJ eh? Marrette is named after the company that makes them up there and the founder Wm. Marr The original was a barrel and setscrew design with a insulating cap that screwed on. I have seen a few of them over the years. The current product is a coiled spring screw on, like a regular US wire nut. |
Crimped connectors in household wiring in USA
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