the power company is subsidizing them.

instead of paying ~$10/3 it is $2.88/6.

i thought when we were walking by the
display that the price was wrong but a guy
came along and said that no, this was
the price.

there was a limit of two packs for each
transaction, but i had a card for that store
too so we picked up enough packs to replace
all the track lights.

we were just talking the other day about
replacing them because a few bulbs were burned
out and needing replacement anyways, but
at the higher price it just wasn't worth it.
we don't use the track lights much (at 75
watts each and having eighteen of them
going...).

so as soon as i get the ladder and do this
project it will be good to have them done.


songbird

On 1/6/2017 9:34 AM, songbird wrote:
the power company is subsidizing them.

instead of paying ~$10/3 it is $2.88/6.


we were just talking the other day about
replacing them because a few bulbs were burned
out and needing replacement anyways, but
at the higher price it just wasn't worth it.
we don't use the track lights much (at 75
watts each and having eighteen of them
going...).

Good price. What size room needs 1350 watts of lighting? I can light
my 2000 sq foot house with much less.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:34:32 -0500
songbird wrote:

From: songbird






the power company is subsidizing them.

So they are not cheap. The Power comapny will collect more
from customers under extra charges then it ever gives you.
Just another "feel good" scam

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:34:53 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
the power company is subsidizing them.

instead of paying ~$10/3 it is $2.88/6.

i thought when we were walking by the
display that the price was wrong but a guy
came along and said that no, this was
the price.

there was a limit of two packs for each
transaction, but i had a card for that store
too so we picked up enough packs to replace
all the track lights.

we were just talking the other day about
replacing them because a few bulbs were burned
out and needing replacement anyways, but
at the higher price it just wasn't worth it.
we don't use the track lights much (at 75
watts each and having eighteen of them
going...).

so as soon as i get the ladder and do this
project it will be good to have them done.

songbird


I'm curious, what brand are the LED bulbs? There are cheap Chinese made LED bulbs that are sold by the ton or shipping container load and the quality is not that good. I've seen name brand LED bulbs that are made in China and seem to be well made because the brands have control of production.

Back home I have some Sylvania, Cree and no name brand bulbs that have been on continuously for 4 years(as far as I know). The Sylvania was made in China and I remember the Cree bulb being labeled,"assembled in USA". I have some LED candelabra base 25w equivalent in small table lamps I used for night lights. I put one behind the big screen TV as a backlight to illuminate the wall behind TV and it stays on as a night light. All my desk lamps and small table lamps are plugged into battery backup power supplies. The last time I was home in January of 2015 there was a power outage and the LED lamps were on for 6 hours and could have lasted much longer on the battery backups. Incandescent lamps wouldn't have lasted that long.

I remember the dim little red newfangled LED's that showed up on the market when I was a young man and how excited me and the other electronic experimenters were to get our hands on them. Then different color LED's started showing up and we were so happy but the Holy Grail, the blue LED was the last one to show up and make LED color displays and later the incandescent replacement bulbs possible. I haven't kept up with the technical information because the darn things are light years ahead of what I worked with and experimented with years ago and I'm amazed at what I see available today. The LED TV's I have amaze me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Lit Monster

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
songbird wrote:
the power company is subsidizing them.

instead of paying ~$10/3 it is $2.88/6.


we were just talking the other day about
replacing them because a few bulbs were burned
out and needing replacement anyways, but
at the higher price it just wasn't worth it.
we don't use the track lights much (at 75
watts each and having eighteen of them
going...).

Good price. What size room needs 1350 watts of lighting? I can light
my 2000 sq foot house with much less.

these are track lights, rarely used,
originally meant to light paintings as the
house was built as a studio/gallery and
summer home. they get used maybe 50 hours
total a year. that's 12 out of the 18
lights. the other 6 are in this room.

normally we light with one LED light in
the kitchen (which uses about 11 watts)
i think that's 1200 lumens. when i read
i have another single light in here that
i use instead of the track lighting. i
usually only turn those on when i'm looking
for a book on the shelves or have dropped
something.

we have other lights for when Ma is
sewing or working in the kitchen and needs
more light (several 4ft shoplights which
reflect off the ceiling for indirect light).


songbird

Uncle Monster wrote:
....
I'm curious, what brand are the LED bulbs? There are cheap Chinese made LED bulbs that are sold by the ton or shipping container load and the quality is not that good. I've seen name brand LED bulbs that are made in China and seem to be well made because the brands have control of production.

GE branded Bright Stick daylight.


Back home I have some Sylvania, Cree and no name brand bulbs that have been on continuously for 4 years(as far as I know). The Sylvania was made in China and I remember the Cree bulb being labeled,"assembled in USA". I have some LED candelabra base 25w equivalent in small table lamps I used for night lights. I put one behind the big screen TV as a backlight to illuminate the wall behind TV and it stays on as a night light. All my desk lamps and small table lamps are plugged into battery backup power supplies. The last time I was home in January of 2015 there was a power outage and the LED lamps were on for 6 hours and could have lasted much longer on the battery backups. Incandescent lamps wouldn't have lasted that long.

*nods* they are well worth the switch if you
are going to run them off a backup or a generator
or even solar panels or wind power. every bit less
load the better as that is also less battery storage
needed.


I remember the dim little red newfangled LED's that showed up on the market when I was a young man and how excited me and the other electronic experimenters were to get our hands on them. Then different color LED's started showing up and we were so happy but the Holy Grail, the blue LED was the last one to show up and make LED color displays and later the incandescent replacement bulbs possible. I haven't kept up with the technical information because the darn things are light years ahead of what I worked with and experimented with years ago and I'm amazed at what I see available today. The LED TV's I have amaze me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

i know, i love the fact that i can lift this 27" monitor
with two fingers. i just got it after my old tube monitor
finally started going. i'm sure it uses much less juice
than the old one.


songbird

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 11:33:35 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
...
I'm curious, what brand are the LED bulbs? There are cheap Chinese made LED bulbs that are sold by the ton or shipping container load and the quality is not that good. I've seen name brand LED bulbs that are made in China and seem to be well made because the brands have control of production.

GE branded Bright Stick daylight.

Back home I have some Sylvania, Cree and no name brand bulbs that have been on continuously for 4 years(as far as I know). The Sylvania was made in China and I remember the Cree bulb being labeled,"assembled in USA". I have some LED candelabra base 25w equivalent in small table lamps I used for night lights. I put one behind the big screen TV as a backlight to illuminate the wall behind TV and it stays on as a night light. All my desk lamps and small table lamps are plugged into battery backup power supplies. The last time I was home in January of 2015 there was a power outage and the LED lamps were on for 6 hours and could have lasted much longer on the battery backups. Incandescent lamps wouldn't have lasted that long.

*nods* they are well worth the switch if you
are going to run them off a backup or a generator
or even solar panels or wind power. every bit less
load the better as that is also less battery storage
needed.

I remember the dim little red newfangled LED's that showed up on the market when I was a young man and how excited me and the other electronic experimenters were to get our hands on them. Then different color LED's started showing up and we were so happy but the Holy Grail, the blue LED was the last one to show up and make LED color displays and later the incandescent replacement bulbs possible. I haven't kept up with the technical information because the darn things are light years ahead of what I worked with and experimented with years ago and I'm amazed at what I see available today. The LED TV's I have amaze me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

i know, i love the fact that i can lift this 27" monitor
with two fingers. i just got it after my old tube monitor
finally started going. i'm sure it uses much less juice
than the old one.

songbird

Oh my goodness, I bought a 32" LED TV several years ago when I could still walk and I was able to tuck it under my arm and carry it up the steep stairs into my home. My tablets have LED lighting for the screens which makes them very light and has allowed me to replace the magazine, novel and newspaper when I visit the porcelain throne. I suppose laughing at the videos while disposing of toxic waste gives me a better outcome? ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Wastefull(sic) Monster

songbird wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
...
I'm curious, what brand are the LED bulbs? There are cheap Chinese made LED bulbs that are sold by the ton or shipping container load and the quality is not that good. I've seen name brand LED bulbs that are made in China and seem to be well made because the brands have control of production.

GE branded Bright Stick daylight.

ah, as i was replacing the light bulbs this
morning i also took out a previous GE Bright
Stick which was a whiter/bluer light and the
specs on that one were 10 watts and 760 lumens.
the new ones are 9 watts and 800 lumens. a
little bit of a nice bump for such a short
period of time (less than a year).

23 of 24 bulbs done. forgot about one and
so it will have to wait until i get the
ladder out of the garage again. it is yet
another light we use very rarely.


songbird

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 3:46:24 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
songbird wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
...
I'm curious, what brand are the LED bulbs? There are cheap Chinese made LED bulbs that are sold by the ton or shipping container load and the quality is not that good. I've seen name brand LED bulbs that are made in China and seem to be well made because the brands have control of production.

GE branded Bright Stick daylight.

ah, as i was replacing the light bulbs this
morning i also took out a previous GE Bright
Stick which was a whiter/bluer light and the
specs on that one were 10 watts and 760 lumens.
the new ones are 9 watts and 800 lumens. a
little bit of a nice bump for such a short
period of time (less than a year).

23 of 24 bulbs done. forgot about one and
so it will have to wait until i get the
ladder out of the garage again. it is yet
another light we use very rarely.

songbird

Is this what the lights look like? The shape leads me to believe that the lamps are easy to install and remove. The bulbs could outlast the fixtures, meaning someone could remodel and transfer the lamps to a new light bar. It's also a bit depressing to think that a $3.00 light bulb could outlive me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Eq...K-96/205783755

[8~{} Uncle Glowing Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
....
Is this what the lights look like? The shape leads me to believe that the lamps are easy to install and remove. The bulbs could outlast the fixtures, meaning someone could remodel and transfer the lamps to a new light bar. It's also a bit depressing to think that a $3.00 light bulb could outlive me. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Eq...K-96/205783755

[8~{} Uncle Glowing Monster

yes, except instead of a three pack they were
six to the pack for $2.88 for the entire pack.

i turned on all the lights in the house this
evening to see what it looked like all lit up.
very fun. then turned them all off again except
for the usual one or two we use.

in doing some quick math and running all the
numbers from before it came down to total watts
before to about 1740 vs 393 (for all our installed
lights in the house). of which half the time we
actually use about 20 - 30 watts for lights and
the rest of the time 40% would be 84 watts more
and the other 10% of the time would vary by how
many track lights we turn on.

so to put it in payback terms on the power bill
it might take a few months to a year to pay back
the expense because we use the track lights
infrequently, but when we do they pay for one
bulb every few hours of use.


songbird