How do you get ticks out of your skin?

I keep getting ticks working out in the back yard clearing brush.

Often they show up on my back or back of my legs or the back of my waist
(why can't they confront me where I can see them, like a real manly tick
should!).

I have the wife or teen tweeze them out and then I have them squeeze if
they can to get a drop of blood if possible, and then hydrogen peroxide,
and then iodine tincture.

Then we baggie the ticks and put them in the freezer, just in case some
medical people ask who done it. We check for a week to see if there's an
infection, but, by then, we're working on another tick.

What do you do to get the ticks out and to prevent disease?

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:50:49 +0000 (UTC), Gijs Van Dijk
wrote:

How do you get ticks out of your skin?

I keep getting ticks working out in the back yard clearing brush.

Often they show up on my back or back of my legs or the back of my waist
(why can't they confront me where I can see them, like a real manly tick
should!).

I have the wife or teen tweeze them out and then I have them squeeze if
they can to get a drop of blood if possible, and then hydrogen peroxide,
and then iodine tincture.

Then we baggie the ticks and put them in the freezer, just in case some
medical people ask who done it. We check for a week to see if there's an
infection, but, by then, we're working on another tick.

What do you do to get the ticks out and to prevent disease?

A cordless soldering iron, touched to the head of the tick will cause
it to release. Nasty little *******s; wear long sleeves, long pants,
blouse your pants legs and button your collar, oh and wear a hat and
gloves.

My god. Im a pro. My poor wife has been infected twice. Almost died from tics. I put seven tic repelant everwhere she walks. Sold our camper and all. She will be home from work soon and ill let her advise using my sig. She lost two years suffering from the *******s. Give her an hour or so to type back...5 oclock now where im at...

No luck for her typing. Sick. Will not forget though.

Thomas wrote:

No luck for her typing. Sick. Will not forget though.

What disease did she get?

Here is my current rash.
http://i.cubeupload.com/xyk1sl.jpg

I'm looking up which diseases they cause, but it seems that each species of
tick has different diseases!

I'm north of San Francisco in the Pacific Coast, but I don't know what kind
of tick this is yet.
1. Black legged (deer) tick ?
2. Lone star tick ?
3. American dog (wood) tick ?
4. Rocky Mountain wood tick ?

Here are some pictures taken by holding the phone to the microscope if
anyone out there knows the kinds of ticks identify them.

Top: http://i.cubeupload.com/uVr2Md.jpg
Bottom: http://i.cubeupload.com/Ny1soL.jpg
Head: http://i.cubeupload.com/9Q12yK.jpg

Stormin' Norman wrote:

A cordless soldering iron, touched to the head of the tick will cause
it to release. Nasty little *******s; wear long sleeves, long pants,
blouse your pants legs and button your collar, oh and wear a hat and
gloves.

We wanted to save the tick to identify it on the microscope.

I don't know the genus species but here is a picture taken today.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WxdX09.jpg

Do you know the genus species?

1. deer tick (black legged tick) ?
2. lone star tick ?
3. wood tick (american dog tick) ?
4. rocky mountain wood tick ?

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC), Gijs Van Dijk

Do you know the genus species?

1. deer tick (black legged tick) ?
2. lone star tick ?
3. wood tick (american dog tick) ?
4. rocky mountain wood tick ?

Frank, why do you keep nym shifting?

Hello. I am Thomas' wife & had Lyme Disease twice. Your 1st link looks like a Deer tick which is the carrier of Lyme. The co-infections they also carry are usually worse than Lyme. I did contract neurological Lyme which affected my memory, word recall, vision, speech...not happy times. But I also got Babesiosis, Bartonella, Erlichia, and a pulmonary fungus that I couldnt fight off bc the Lyme killed my immune system.

I no longer go camping, hiking, picnicking...in fact I dont walk in grass EVER!!! I will not brush up against shrubs or weeds and I dont visit friends who have pets.

Lyme disease & all the bad things that come with it took away my love of nature.

I suggest watching the video "Under Our Skin" on You Tube. It's not the best format but it's the full documentary. "UNDER OUR SKIN 2008 FULL DOCUMENTARY" by Hoo Jyn. A lot of info & pharmaceutical controversy.

I wish you the best of luck & health. Lyme is much worse than what we're being lead to believe.

On 12/29/2016 8:29 PM, Thomas wrote:
Hello. I am Thomas' wife & had Lyme Disease twice. Your 1st link looks like a Deer tick which is the carrier of Lyme. The co-infections they also carry are usually worse than Lyme. I did contract neurological Lyme which affected my memory, word recall, vision, speech...not happy times. But I also got Babesiosis, Bartonella, Erlichia, and a pulmonary fungus that I couldnt fight off bc the Lyme killed my immune system.

I no longer go camping, hiking, picnicking...in fact I dont walk in grass EVER!!! I will not brush up against shrubs or weeds and I dont visit friends who have pets.


Thanks for taking the time to post this. I know at least 3 people with
Lyme and try to avoid it. You give a good incentive. I hope the worst
is past for you.

Per Gijs Van Dijk:
What do you do to ... to prevent disease?

I have stopped going where I get ticks.

Every bird watcher I know has serious Lyme disease, as does the
misguided gardener in New Jersey (the Jersey shore is crawling with the
things).

When I saw your second pic link, a little voice in my head said "Lyme
Disease Bullseye Rash". If I had that I could get myself to a
competent doctor ASAP. Without prompt treatment, Lyme goes into the
cartilage of the joints and then you have it for life.
--
Pete Cresswell

Thomas wrote:
Hello. I am Thomas' wife & had Lyme Disease twice. Your 1st link
looks like a Deer tick which is the carrier of Lyme. The
co-infections they also carry are usually worse than Lyme. I did
contract neurological Lyme which affected my memory, word recall,
vision, speech...not happy times. But I also got Babesiosis,
Bartonella, Erlichia, and a pulmonary fungus that I couldnt fight off
bc the Lyme killed my immune system.

I no longer go camping, hiking, picnicking...in fact I dont walk in
grass EVER!!! I will not brush up against shrubs or weeds and I dont
visit friends who have pets.

Lyme disease & all the bad things that come with it took away my love
of nature.

I suggest watching the video "Under Our Skin" on You Tube. It's not
the best format but it's the full documentary. "UNDER OUR SKIN 2008
FULL DOCUMENTARY" by Hoo Jyn. A lot of info & pharmaceutical
controversy.

I wish you the best of luck & health. Lyme is much worse than what
we're being lead to believe.

I got Lyme from a tick several years ago , caught it early and was treated
with a round of strong antibiotics which apparently cured it . At least I've
never suffered from any of the horrors described by others .
--
Snag

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gijs Van Dijk:
What do you do to ... to prevent disease?

I have stopped going where I get ticks.

Every bird watcher I know has serious Lyme disease, as does the
misguided gardener in New Jersey (the Jersey shore is crawling with
the things).

When I saw your second pic link, a little voice in my head said "Lyme
Disease Bullseye Rash". If I had that I could get myself to a
competent doctor ASAP. Without prompt treatment, Lyme goes into the
cartilage of the joints and then you have it for life .


I guess that's why I haven't had a lot of the problems others describe , I
got treatment as soon as I saw the bullseye rash .
--
Snag

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:57:15 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

What do you do to get the ticks out and to prevent disease?

A cordless soldering iron, touched to the head of the tick will cause
it to release.

Yeah right. Bull****. Everybody carries a soldering iron in the woods?
Have ever heard of using a MATCH? Jarhead!

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:16:05 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC), Gijs Van Dijk

Do you know the genus species?

1. deer tick (black legged tick) ?
2. lone star tick ?
3. wood tick (american dog tick) ?
4. rocky mountain wood tick ?

Frank, why do you keep nym shifting?

Nobody checked him for ticks.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:29:00 -0800 (PST), Thomas
wrote:

I no longer go camping, hiking, picnicking...in fact I dont walk in grass EVER!!! I will not brush up against shrubs or weeds and I dont visit friends who have pets.

What kind of bubble do you live in?

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:08:08 +0000 (UTC), Gijs Van Dijk
wrote:

Thomas wrote:

No luck for her typing. Sick. Will not forget though.


What disease did she get?
Here is my current rash.
http://i.cubeupload.com/xyk1sl.jpg
I'm looking up which diseases they cause, but it seems that each species of
tick has different diseases!
I'm north of San Francisco in the Pacific Coast, but I don't know what kind
of tick this is yet.
1. Black legged (deer) tick ?
2. Lone star tick ?
3. American dog (wood) tick ?
4. Rocky Mountain wood tick ?
Here are some pictures taken by holding the phone to the microscope if
anyone out there knows the kinds of ticks identify them.
Top: http://i.cubeupload.com/uVr2Md.jpg
Bottom: http://i.cubeupload.com/Ny1soL.jpg
Head: http://i.cubeupload.com/9Q12yK.jpg



Try here :

http://www.insectidentification.org/mite-or-tick.asp

John T.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC), Gijs Van Dijk
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

A cordless soldering iron, touched to the head of the tick will cause
it to release. Nasty little *******s; wear long sleeves, long pants,
blouse your pants legs and button your collar, oh and wear a hat and
gloves.

We wanted to save the tick to identify it on the microscope.

I don't know the genus species but here is a picture taken today.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WxdX09.jpg

Do you know the genus species?

1. deer tick (black legged tick) ?
2. lone star tick ?
3. wood tick (american dog tick) ?
4. rocky mountain wood tick ?


Look it up yourself here :

http://www.insectidentification.org/mite-or-tick.asp

John T.

wrote:

http://www.insectidentification.org/mite-or-tick.asp

Only has 3 ticks for all of north america so it must be the 4th one which
is called "tick" written by "staff writer".

I think it's the deer tick personally.
Blacklegged deer tick specifically.

wrote:

http://www.insectidentification.org/mite-or-tick.asp

Only has 3 ticks for all of north america so it must be the 4th one which
is called "tick" written by "staff writer".

I think it's the deer tick personally.
Blacklegged deer tick specifically.

Doesn't seem to carry disease though.

On 12/29/2016 9:22 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gijs Van Dijk:
What do you do to ... to prevent disease?

I have stopped going where I get ticks.

Every bird watcher I know has serious Lyme disease, as does the
misguided gardener in New Jersey (the Jersey shore is crawling
with the things).

When I saw your second pic link, a little voice in my head said
"Lyme Disease Bullseye Rash". If I had that I could get myself to
a competent doctor ASAP. Without prompt treatment, Lyme goes into
the cartilage of the joints and then you have it for life .


I guess that's why I haven't had a lot of the problems others
describe , I got treatment as soon as I saw the bullseye rash .


Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

http://www.insectidentification.org/mite-or-tick.asp

Only has 3 ticks for all of north america so it must be the 4th one which
is called "tick" written by "staff writer".

I think it's the deer tick personally.
Blacklegged deer tick specifically.

Doesn't seem to carry disease though.



Try these - just four more of dozens of web sites
dedicated to tick identification ..

http://www.tickencounter.org/tick_identification

http://www.tickinfo.com/

http://labs.russell.wisc.edu/wiscons...professionals/

http://www.wrbu.org/VecID_TK.html

John T.

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:45:44 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:29:00 -0800 (PST), Thomas
wrote:

I no longer go camping, hiking, picnicking...in fact I dont walk in grass EVER!!! I will not brush up against shrubs or weeds and I dont visit friends who have pets.

What kind of bubble do you live in?

Wifes bubble. If you mr tuff guy walked through 2 mine fields and stepped on one twice would you still be a tough guy? Tough guy? All talk and criticism until something changes your life. Tough guy. Pitiful.

Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

On 31/12/2016 10:31, Bod wrote:
On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten
sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

Here's the proof:

Lyme disease can remain dormant for weeks, months or even years. When
symptoms do eventually develop, they can be severe and patients often
need aggressive treatment. Intravenous treatment is often required to
treat late-stage infection.
Treatment | CanLyme – Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation
https://canlyme.com/just-diagnosed/treatment/

On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:38:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 10:31, Bod wrote:
On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten
sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

Here's the proof:

Lyme disease can remain dormant for weeks, months or even years. When
symptoms do eventually develop, they can be severe and patients often
need aggressive treatment. Intravenous treatment is often required to
treat late-stage infection.
Treatment | CanLyme €“ Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation
https://canlyme.com/just-diagnosed/treatment/

I've never had it, and know of nobody with it. You're more likely to get run over by a bus.

--
If sex is a pain in the ass, then you're doing it wrong.

On 12/31/2016 1:13 AM, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) -
don't let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that
you may not have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website,
only 70%-80% of infected patients have the rash. Some literature
reports an even lower incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive
layman's information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of
Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't
gotten sick that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the
tick-borne diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much
anything if you look them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.


If you bothered to read the information in the link I provided, you
would have learned that it is uncommon to become infected with Lyme
disease from an infected tick unless the tick has been attached for 36
hours or so. Chances are excellent that you've removed the ticks early
enough that even if they were infected, the disease was not passed to you.

On my block of single family houses on approx. 1/4 -1/3 acre, in a
heavily wooded area in a suburb of D.C., we are infested with white
tailed deer. At least one person in every single house on both sides of
me and across the street from me has contracted Lyme disease from just
working in their yards. I'm scrupulous about heavy application of DEET
from my ankles to my knees, long legged trousers tucked into high socks,
and careful full body inspection in a full length mirror immediately
after doing yard work. I've never found a tick on my skin. You are
foolhardy to ignore taking simple precautions and may just be lucky so
far. Or, your local population of ticks may not be infected with Lyme
disease. However, don't minimize the potentially catastrophic health
consequences of untreated Lyme disease.

On 31/12/2016 17:23, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:38:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 10:31, Bod wrote:
On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you
may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only
70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even
lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive
layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten
sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the
tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

Here's the proof:

Lyme disease can remain dormant for weeks, months or even years. When
symptoms do eventually develop, they can be severe and patients often
need aggressive treatment. Intravenous treatment is often required to
treat late-stage infection.
Treatment | CanLyme €“ Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation
https://canlyme.com/just-diagnosed/treatment/

I've never had it, and know of nobody with it. You're more likely to
get run over by a bus.

You're talking foolishly and ignorantly. It only needs one tick to
give the disease to you and the consequences can be very debilitating
and can affect you for life.

tick-borne diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much
anything if you look them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.


If you bothered to read the information in the link I provided, you
would have learned that it is uncommon to become infected with Lyme
disease from an infected tick unless the tick has been attached for 36
hours or so. Chances are excellent that you've removed the ticks early
enough that even if they were infected, the disease was not passed to you.

On my block of single family houses on approx. 1/4 -1/3 acre, in a
heavily wooded area in a suburb of D.C., we are infested with white
tailed deer. At least one person in every single house on both sides of
me and across the street from me has contracted Lyme disease from just
working in their yards. I'm scrupulous about heavy application of DEET
from my ankles to my knees, long legged trousers tucked into high socks,
and careful full body inspection in a full length mirror immediately
after doing yard work. I've never found a tick on my skin. You are
foolhardy to ignore taking simple precautions and may just be lucky so
far. Or, your local population of ticks may not be infected with Lyme
disease. However, don't minimize the potentially catastrophic health
consequences of untreated Lyme disease.

Very good advice, it's a horrible disease.

On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:28:53 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 17:23, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:38:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 10:31, Bod wrote:
On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you
may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only
70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even
lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive
layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten
sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the
tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

Here's the proof:

Lyme disease can remain dormant for weeks, months or even years. When
symptoms do eventually develop, they can be severe and patients often
need aggressive treatment. Intravenous treatment is often required to
treat late-stage infection.
Treatment | CanLyme €“ Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation
https://canlyme.com/just-diagnosed/treatment/

I've never had it, and know of nobody with it. You're more likely to
get run over by a bus.

You're talking foolishly and ignorantly. It only needs one tick to
give the disease to you and the consequences can be very debilitating
and can affect you for life.

As I just said, too rare to care about.

--
Why is there only one Monopolies Commission?

Peter said:

If you bothered to read the information in the link I provided, you
would have learned that it is uncommon to become infected with Lyme
disease from an infected tick unless the tick has been attached for 36
hours or so. Chances are excellent that you've removed the ticks early
enough that even if they were infected, the disease was not passed to you.

I agree with you that ticks almost never are on for more than a dozen
hours, although I had one on me on the back of my leg for three days that I
didn't know about.

Other than that one (which I got hiking in Japan, of all places), I think
most have been found when they started hurting, which is what happens when
they start to swell up.

On my block of single family houses on approx. 1/4 -1/3 acre, in a
heavily wooded area in a suburb of D.C., we are infested with white
tailed deer. At least one person in every single house on both sides of
me and across the street from me has contracted Lyme disease from just
working in their yards.

My only point on this statement above is that they "guess" they are
infected with Lyme disease simply because it's fashionable to say that.

Just as I suspect far too many people actually have Lyme disease who don't
know that's what is causing their pains, probably ten times that number
assume they have Lyme disease when they don't.

Without a confirmation diagnosis of the chronic disease, they're all just
guessing.

I'm scrupulous about heavy application of DEET
from my ankles to my knees, long legged trousers tucked into high socks,
and careful full body inspection in a full length mirror immediately
after doing yard work.

I gave up on Deet on my skin and Pyrethrins on my clothes because they tend
to smell like cat ****. I'm sure it works. But it stinks.

I've never found a tick on my skin. You are
foolhardy to ignore taking simple precautions and may just be lucky so
far.

I've had so many ticks that I can't count them. Maybe a hundred. Plus or
minus about a score.

One was on the underside of my nipple. That made my one breast hurt like I
was lactating (and I'm a guy!). Took me till the next morning to find that
one, as it didn't hurt until my nipple area swelled up but it was hiding
*under* the nipple (so I didn't notice it until it hurt too much for just a
muscle pain).

Or, your local population of ticks may not be infected with Lyme
disease. However, don't minimize the potentially catastrophic health
consequences of untreated Lyme disease.

I don't minimize it, and, in fact, I wake up in pain every day, mostly my
feet and elbows. I can barely put on my socks.

However, I'm not one to claim the latest fashionable disease just because
it's the current fad.

It's my understanding there is no positive diagnostic test for chronic lyme
disease. Is that understanding correct?

Bod said:

It only needs one tick to
give the disease to you and the consequences can be very debilitating
and can affect you for life.

I have had probably more than a hundred ticks on me, many well before the
word Lyme disease was ever coined, and some as recently as a month ago.

I tweeze them off and I put alcohol and bacitracin, and move on with my
life.

I do have pains every morning everywhere, and especially in joints, but
when I look that up, it's so common that almost everyone my age has them.

The problem is that it's impossible (I think) to say that my daily pains
are due to Lyme disease, yet, many people here (and in the tear-jerker
videos) exclaim that's what they have.

Never will I say it's not possible for my pains (and theirs) to be due to
Lyme disease (for how would I know?) but what I'm saying is only that the
symptoms of chronic Lyme disease are the same as the symptoms of getting
old.

I think this is the case at least but I'm not a doctor so this is just my
current understanding.

Most likely, far too many people spuriously claim to have Lyme disease who
don't, just as it's likely that far too many people unknowingly have Lyme
disease and don't know that's what is causing their pains.

What we need is a diagnostic test for *chronic* Lyme disease, I think.
Does that exist?

On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:57:48 -0000, Yanis Bernard wrote:

Bod said:

It only needs one tick to
give the disease to you and the consequences can be very debilitating
and can affect you for life.

I have had probably more than a hundred ticks on me, many well before the
word Lyme disease was ever coined, and some as recently as a month ago.

I tweeze them off and I put alcohol and bacitracin, and move on with my
life.

I do have pains every morning everywhere, and especially in joints, but
when I look that up, it's so common that almost everyone my age has them.

The problem is that it's impossible (I think) to say that my daily pains
are due to Lyme disease, yet, many people here (and in the tear-jerker
videos) exclaim that's what they have.

Never will I say it's not possible for my pains (and theirs) to be due to
Lyme disease (for how would I know?) but what I'm saying is only that the
symptoms of chronic Lyme disease are the same as the symptoms of getting
old.

I think this is the case at least but I'm not a doctor so this is just my
current understanding.

Most likely, far too many people spuriously claim to have Lyme disease who
don't, just as it's likely that far too many people unknowingly have Lyme
disease and don't know that's what is causing their pains.

What we need is a diagnostic test for *chronic* Lyme disease, I think.
Does that exist?

I just pull the tick off and squash it. No need for anything else.

--
What should you do if a girl sits on your hand?
Try to get her off.

On 12/31/2016 1:57 PM, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Bod said:

It only needs one tick to give the disease to you and the
consequences can be very debilitating and can affect you for life.

I have had probably more than a hundred ticks on me, many well before
the word Lyme disease was ever coined, and some as recently as a
month ago.

I tweeze them off and I put alcohol and bacitracin, and move on with
my life.

I do have pains every morning everywhere, and especially in joints,
but when I look that up, it's so common that almost everyone my age
has them.

The problem is that it's impossible (I think) to say that my daily
pains are due to Lyme disease, yet, many people here (and in the
tear-jerker videos) exclaim that's what they have.

Never will I say it's not possible for my pains (and theirs) to be
due to Lyme disease (for how would I know?) but what I'm saying is
only that the symptoms of chronic Lyme disease are the same as the
symptoms of getting old.

I think this is the case at least but I'm not a doctor so this is
just my current understanding.

Most likely, far too many people spuriously claim to have Lyme
disease who don't, just as it's likely that far too many people
unknowingly have Lyme disease and don't know that's what is causing
their pains.

What we need is a diagnostic test for *chronic* Lyme disease, I
think. Does that exist?


In a word, "no". Do a web search for "test for chronic lyme disease"
(without the quotation marks) and look at some of the hits. With the
best tests yet developed, some patients with the disease test negative
and some patients without the disease have false positive results.
That's why the whole issue of chronic lyme disease is so controversial.
If there were a definitive, reliable test, as there are for most
infectious diseases, there wouldn't be any controversy about whether
chronic lyme actually exists. There's lots of anecdotes about the
benefits of long term antibiotic treatment and there are many well
designed, well done, double blind studies that show no statistically
significant benefit from chronic long term antibiotics.
But there are some studies that do show benefit. Is the benefit from
the drugs, or a placebo effect? Too many different symptoms and too
many different antibiotics, and too many variables in the population of
patients within the studies to say with certainty.

And don't get me going on the statistical process of meta-analysis. Many
statisticians believe that meta-analysis is to statistical analysis as
metaphysics is to physics. That's why the competent practice of
medicine involves much more than just following what's in the textbooks.
As any honest physician will tell you, the average patient's body
doesn't read the textbooks.

Peter said:

What we need is a diagnostic test for *chronic* Lyme disease, I
think. Does that exist?

In a word, "no". Do a web search for "test for chronic lyme disease"
(without the quotation marks) and look at some of the hits. With the
best tests yet developed, some patients with the disease test negative
and some patients without the disease have false positive results.

That's what I had thought. Out of a thousand people who claim Lyme Disease,
something like 10 actually have it, and 9,990 are just making it up.
Meanwhile, there are another thousand who actually have it and don't know
it.

That's why the whole issue of chronic lyme disease is so controversial.
If there were a definitive, reliable test, as there are for most
infectious diseases, there wouldn't be any controversy about whether
chronic lyme actually exists.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure the acute disease exists, so the chronic
disease "probably" exists. It's just that the symptoms are the same as the
symptoms of getting old, so, everyone who is a hypochondriac thinks they
have it while those who just feel aches and pains don't know they have it.

There's lots of anecdotes about the
benefits of long term antibiotic treatment and there are many well
designed, well done, double blind studies that show no statistically
significant benefit from chronic long term antibiotics.

It's a spirochete. right? Antibiotics should be able to wipe it out. I'd
have to look it up to be sure, but, it's usual that antibiotics wipe out
bacterial diseases pretty completely. Most viral diseases are wiped out
also, although some (like Herpes) linger on forever in the nerves.

But there are some studies that do show benefit. Is the benefit from
the drugs, or a placebo effect? Too many different symptoms and too
many different antibiotics, and too many variables in the population of
patients within the studies to say with certainty.

I understand. The science is beyond most people, so, they simply assume
they have Lyme Disease. Especially if they're the intuitive type who don't
need facts to base their opinions upon.

Per Yanis Bernard:

It's a spirochete. right? Antibiotics should be able to wipe it out. I'd
have to look it up to be sure, but, it's usual that antibiotics wipe out
bacterial diseases pretty completely. Most viral diseases are wiped out
also, although some (like Herpes) linger on forever in the nerves.

My understanding is that some people develop "Chronic Lyme Disease", AKA
"Post-Treatment Lyme Disease".

Seems like there is disagreement on whether the organisms find hiding
places in the body and persist after antibiotic treatment or they leave
the immune system damaged in such a way that it continues to respond
even though all the organisms have been destroyed.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 9:23:01 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gijs Van Dijk:
What do you do to ... to prevent disease?

I have stopped going where I get ticks.

Every bird watcher I know has serious Lyme disease, as does the
misguided gardener in New Jersey (the Jersey shore is crawling with
the things).

When I saw your second pic link, a little voice in my head said "Lyme
Disease Bullseye Rash". If I had that I could get myself to a
competent doctor ASAP. Without prompt treatment, Lyme goes into the
cartilage of the joints and then you have it for life .


I guess that's why I haven't had a lot of the problems others describe , I
got treatment as soon as I saw the bullseye rash .
--
Snag

Problem is not everyone gets the bulls eye rash. Or they may have a rash
and not notice it. The rash is not necessarily at the site of the bite
either.

On Saturday, December 31, 2016 at 1:13:42 AM UTC-5, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only 70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Foolish dismissal and attitude towards a potentially deadly disease.
For starters, where do you live? If you're in an area where Lyme
does not exist, or has a very low incidence, you can't compare your
experience with that of people living in CT, NJ, etc, where it is very
common.

On Saturday, December 31, 2016 at 1:54:51 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:28:53 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 17:23, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:38:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/12/2016 10:31, Bod wrote:
On 31/12/2016 06:13, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

Caution to the majority of readers (non-medical professional) - don't
let the absence of a bulls-eye rash lead you to believe that you
may not
have early Lyme disease. According to the CDC website, only
70%-80% of
infected patients have the rash. Some literature reports an even
lower
incidence of rash.

See the CDC website for authoritative and rather comprehensive
layman's
information on the signs, symptoms, transmission etc. of Lyme disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/

I've pulled off more ticks than I can ever count, and I haven't gotten
sick
that I know of.

While I never would say that Lyme disease and the rest of the
tick-borne
diseases don't exist, the symptoms are pretty much anything if you look
them up.

Everyone who sneezes blames it on lyme disease.

Lyme disease can lay dormant for years before it becomes active.

Here's the proof:

Lyme disease can remain dormant for weeks, months or even years. When
symptoms do eventually develop, they can be severe and patients often
need aggressive treatment. Intravenous treatment is often required to
treat late-stage infection.
Treatment | CanLyme €“ Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation
https://canlyme.com/just-diagnosed/treatment/

I've never had it, and know of nobody with it. You're more likely to
get run over by a bus.

You're talking foolishly and ignorantly. It only needs one tick to
give the disease to you and the consequences can be very debilitating
and can affect you for life.

As I just said, too rare to care about.

--
Why is there only one Monopolies Commission?

Too rare where? It's very common here in the northeast US.

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 6:12:29 AM UTC-5, Yanis Bernard wrote:
Peter said:

What we need is a diagnostic test for *chronic* Lyme disease, I
think. Does that exist?

In a word, "no". Do a web search for "test for chronic lyme disease"
(without the quotation marks) and look at some of the hits. With the
best tests yet developed, some patients with the disease test negative
and some patients without the disease have false positive results.

That's what I had thought. Out of a thousand people who claim Lyme Disease,
something like 10 actually have it, and 9,990 are just making it up.

That is not at all what Peter wrote. He said that there is no definitive,
reliable test. So, it's very difficult to tell who has it and who does
not. How do you know that your 9,990 are not infected with it?



Meanwhile, there are another thousand who actually have it and don't know
it.

That's why the whole issue of chronic lyme disease is so controversial.
If there were a definitive, reliable test, as there are for most
infectious diseases, there wouldn't be any controversy about whether
chronic lyme actually exists.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure the acute disease exists, so the chronic
disease "probably" exists. It's just that the symptoms are the same as the
symptoms of getting old, so, everyone who is a hypochondriac thinks they
have it while those who just feel aches and pains don't know they have it.



Thy symptoms are not the same as getting old. And why do you think this
is just an issue with old people? Lyme was first identified in young
children who developed the classic symptoms, including arthritis.




There's lots of anecdotes about the
benefits of long term antibiotic treatment and there are many well
designed, well done, double blind studies that show no statistically
significant benefit from chronic long term antibiotics.

It's a spirochete. right? Antibiotics should be able to wipe it out. I'd
have to look it up to be sure, but, it's usual that antibiotics wipe out
bacterial diseases pretty completely. Most viral diseases are wiped out
also, although some (like Herpes) linger on forever in the nerves.

Most antibiotics are not effective everywhere that Lyme can go. Many for
example, are not effective at crossing from the bloodstream into cerebral
fluid.




But there are some studies that do show benefit. Is the benefit from
the drugs, or a placebo effect? Too many different symptoms and too
many different antibiotics, and too many variables in the population of
patients within the studies to say with certainty.

I understand. The science is beyond most people, so, they simply assume
they have Lyme Disease. Especially if they're the intuitive type who don't
need facts to base their opinions upon.

IDK where you get the idea that all these people "assume" they have Lyme
disease. Have you personally interviewed them? Most present to physicians
with symptoms consistent with Lyme, are diagnosed and treated.