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You are just miffed because you do not like people outside your trade
commenting on the methods you use to control pricing.

I don't control the pricing..........
.......the manufactures do!!

They control the price you pay, not the price you sell it for, within
bounds, or the installation costs. You decide the total cost, not them.

Your still clueless man........

20% mark-up, 35% mark-up, 50% mark-up, 100% mark-up.......

If you use a standard mark up percentage........they (the manufactures)
control the retail price!!

Our labor cost is controlled by the cost of doing business.

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You get lost CG you are making alot over nothing

The way you write forces me to ask this question: Does your daddy know
you are using his computer?

That'd be better than you using your Gay lovers computer, ehh???

Just have to keep showing your fixation, don't you? You really should
consider therapy to help cure you of your anti-social behaviour.

We're the one arguing points you know nothing about, not me.

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Seems you've developed some kind of fixation for me. I read his post
and moved to the next one without comment. Maybe you should seek some
kind of professional help.

Your the one that is telling us PRO's how things work, while you know
very,
very little!!

You're the one who thought summer comfort was a feature that would help
sell a thermidistat in Canada. Seems you need someone to help you keep
up.

NO, I was telling about the features of the thermidistat.......

Everybody's location is *not* in Canada.

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(something you don't understand)

Wrong again.

If you understood,
you wouldn't be trying to tell us pro's what's better in OUR line of
work!

More of your arrogance. Seems you think you are good at lecturing.
It's a pity you are so full of yourself.

Nope, I don't go around and argue about something I know nothing about.

Unlike You.

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But, what if it's in the summer time and the humidity level in the
home
is
to high?
Then what, Genius??

I've heard this is a very big problem in Canada, NOT.

Sorry, I forgot that everyone on this board lives in
Canada..............NOT!!
(you lose)

As I suspected, you can't even keep track of what you are discussing.
The person who brought up the topic of thermidistats was
from..........Canada. You are so lost in your arrognace you didn't even
bother to check the details before trying to slam someone.

Boy are you clueless..........

You are talking to yourself again.


Yes, the gentleman that started off with the thermidistat conversation, was
in Canada.

Oh, you finally remembered.


Does that mean that the OP is in Canada too?

No, but the one who raised the point, who I agreed with, resuling in a
flame from you was.

Does that mean that the operation of the thermidistat changes the way it
operates in different parts of the world??

No, but it is a clear example of an installer recommending an expensive
"upgrade" with questionable value.


Does that mean that most people reading this NG is mostly from Canada??

Nope.


NO, NO, & NO!

You are still missing the point Mr arrogance. Here's some text from
your reply:

" I nearly crapped my pants when they said it cost $450CDN.

I think I'll stick with the $45CDN Lux that I bought at Home Depot. It
seems to be working just fine for me. :-)

And even if it dies in a couple years, you can replace it 9 times before
you get to the price of that wonderstat recommended by your installer.

You are really clueless........

The thermidistat his installer suggested is a thermostat and a
humidistat
all in one.
It's for comfort...........something you don't understand."

Pretty obvious you were not attempting to explain a thermidistat, you
were just being an abusive SOB.

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That's what a two friends bought and both researched it (one
of them probably on price). But what do I know I just went
along with them. My AC is Carrier, so what kind of gas
furnace has high reliability and other desirable points? In
case my next house needs a furnace.

First, the most important thing is to have a Manuel J & D performed.
(that way you know you have the correct sized equipment)

Second, the next thing is to get someone that is concerned about installing
it to the best of their abilities.
(best equipment installed wrong = a POS)

Third, Call the local warehouses and find out who they would use in their
own home.

Forth, Ask friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, who they use, and see if
their happy.

Fifth, Good equipment is made by the following:

a.) ICP
(Arcoaire, Comfortmaker, Heil, Tempstar, AirQuest, KeepRite....)

b.) Carrier
(Carrier, Bryant, Payne)

c.) Rheem
(Rheem, Rudd)

d.) American Standard
(American Standard, Trane)

They all have their good points and bad, but for the most part these are the
cream of the crop.
(remember, installation is more important)

The other key to a reliable system is having the proper ductwork....
.....poor ductwork can shorten the life span of the equipment.

If you go for anything new to the industry..........
(like Variable Speed Blowers, R-410)
..........get the longest warranty you can buy.

For the variable speed blower motors are very costly to replace.
And R-410 is not yet proven reliable in my eyes.

P.S. The very first thing is to *not* go with the LOWEST bidder syndrome.
(If something sounds to good to be true........it is just that)

Doing a job correctly.......is one that takes time & material, both which
cost money.
(so, use your judgment when looking over bids)

Good Luck,

BTW, stay away from the (GMC, Janitrol, Goodman), and the (Frigidaire,
Tappen, etc....)
Janitrol will sell to anyone, which promotes the hacks of HVAC.

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One more thing........well maybe two.....

Buy a good filtration device, like AirBear, Aprilaire, Totaline....
(media filters)

That way you have less dust blowing around your home and the equipment is
cleaner too.
(which allows the system to operate cooler and last longer.........since
it's not plugged with dust)

Another thing is to have it check out periodically,
to make sure it's working properly and operating to it's highest efficiency
it can.

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kjpro wrote:

((snipped))

Thanks for the explanation. I understand the need for
clicks in mechanical systems. BUT, we live in a computer
and semiconductor age. I'm no electronics guy so don't know
much about bleed through.
My computer turns all sort of stuff on and off inside the
case, and except for a grunting hard disk, there are no
click like noises; lots of motor whine, doors opening and
closing, but I don't hear clicks except those I make with
the keyboard and mouse. If my computer were operating
peripherals about the house, I would put the relays, if
needed, in the peripheral. I can understand relay noise
with heavy amperage, but there is no reason to have high
amperage within an electronic thermostat. Maybe it isn't a
design flaw, just a design that cheap or fails to take
advantage of newer technology, but I can't see it as a plus,
unless simplicity, univeral applications, low cost, or some
other think is the primary purpose.

I get really ****ed at extraneous and unknow cause noises.
I don't even like clicks from light switches; that's why I
use silent or mercury switches. Lots of electronic stuff
burps, buzzes, vibrates, but it most cases it because of
poorly made or poorly installed parts (too tight, too loose,
or failure to use an insulator.

My Amana gas heater ****es me off with the noise it makes
when it turns on. I'm told there is nothing they can do.
The noise goes straight into the plenum and then to a
bedroom bath where is much louder than standing right 1 foot
from the furnace. It's a high pitched whine which could be
either electrical or mechanical. It starts just before or
at the same time as the inducer fan starts, before the
burner comes on, and before the main blower starts. It is
not the inducer fan--with the cover panel off the inducer
fan runs very quitely. Whatever it is, it is the first
thing and continues until the inducer fan shuts off, but the
whine is masked when the burner comes on.

That's what you get for buying an AMANA.

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That's what a two friends bought and both researched it (one
of them probably on price). But what do I know I just went
along with them. My AC is Carrier, so what kind of gas
furnace has high reliability and other desirable points? In
case my next house needs a furnace.

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"j j" wrote in message
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JJ , we are talking about clicking and not voltages.

read the post I replied to. The guy asked why thermostats might use
relays
and not solid state switches. High voltage/current thermostats might
be
one
place where you can't stick a powerful enough solid state switch.

This is Turtle.

No city or Area code of any Kind let's you use line voltage on
residentiual
equipment. Low end RThermostat equipment used Phycial relays and High
end
Thermostat stuff uses Solid State.

what about thermostats for baseboard electric heaters? Those are 240V
like this one http://www.aubetech.com/english/apec2.html#TH110
240V, relay, digital.



This is Turtle.

You have me on this one but i will check it out and see.

TURTLE

Thanks.

kjpro wrote:

One more thing........well maybe two.....

Buy a good filtration device, like AirBear, Aprilaire, Totaline....
(media filters)

That way you have less dust blowing around your home and the equipment is
cleaner too.
(which allows the system to operate cooler and last longer.........since
it's not plugged with dust)

Another thing is to have it check out periodically,
to make sure it's working properly and operating to it's highest efficiency
it can.

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"j j" wrote in message
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"j j" wrote in message
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"TURTLE" wrote in message
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JJ , we are talking about clicking and not voltages.

read the post I replied to. The guy asked why thermostats might use
relays
and not solid state switches. High voltage/current thermostats might
be
one
place where you can't stick a powerful enough solid state switch.

This is Turtle.

No city or Area code of any Kind let's you use line voltage on
residentiual
equipment. Low end RThermostat equipment used Phycial relays and High
end
Thermostat stuff uses Solid State.

what about thermostats for baseboard electric heaters? Those are 240V
like this one http://www.aubetech.com/english/apec2.html#TH110
240V, relay, digital.

This is Turtle.

You have me on this one but i will check it out and see.

Home Depot sells 240V heavy-current digital stats for baseboard heaters
now (Here in Canada anyways). I think they're over $100 though. The house
I used to rent some years ago had 8 rooms in total, each with it's own
thermostat.... Kinda cost prohibitive.

-- Charlie

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Tekkie wrote:

C G posted for all of us....

George Wenzel wrote:

In article ,
says...
Problem #1..Hunter and Lux, Cheapest of the Cheap. Garbage. Total complete,
utter crap.

Can you provide some more info? I have a Lux, and haven't had any
problems with it (thus far). It's never made a noticeable click, to my
knowledge.

Don't worry much, that was just the rantings of a "pro" who has been
conditioned to disparage anything a DIYer might use. It helps them
protect their markups.

Go away, it's his opinion. It's as valid as yours; in fact more so because
he's gonna see many more than you will. Oh yeh tell me what mark up he
makes on this? Like nothing? Just giving his time & effort to answer.

Hmmm, let's see if I understand what you are saying. You are telling me
that it's ok for one person to post his opinion, but it's not ok for
someone else to post a counter opinion? Who appointed you the moderator
of a.h.r? Oh, wait, there is no moderator.


I repeat -- go away.

Perhaps some day you will learn to take your own advice.

I don't argue with fools, therefore you are plonk material.
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Politicians & diapers are filled with it & both should be changed regularly.

Tekkie wrote:

C G posted for all of us....

Tekkie wrote:

C G posted for all of us....

George Wenzel wrote:

In article ,
says...
Problem #1..Hunter and Lux, Cheapest of the Cheap. Garbage. Total complete,
utter crap.

Can you provide some more info? I have a Lux, and haven't had any
problems with it (thus far). It's never made a noticeable click, to my
knowledge.

Don't worry much, that was just the rantings of a "pro" who has been
conditioned to disparage anything a DIYer might use. It helps them
protect their markups.

Go away, it's his opinion. It's as valid as yours; in fact more so because
he's gonna see many more than you will. Oh yeh tell me what mark up he
makes on this? Like nothing? Just giving his time & effort to answer.

Hmmm, let's see if I understand what you are saying. You are telling me
that it's ok for one person to post his opinion, but it's not ok for
someone else to post a counter opinion? Who appointed you the moderator
of a.h.r? Oh, wait, there is no moderator.


I repeat -- go away.

Perhaps some day you will learn to take your own advice.

I don't argue with fools, therefore you are plonk material.

You are a fool, net nanny, plonk away.