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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Not exactly. She said she would accept the decision of the FBI, prosecutors and supervisors. Later she backtracked on even that, hinting that she could still get involved. But it's over at this point, at least for now. Comey was the one guy that looked honest, with him gone, it's done. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:39:27 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 7/6/16 6:39 AM, burfordTjustice wrote: On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:08:58 -0400 Tekkie® wrote: Is the fix in? Special laws for the protected class: the FBI director detailed what he called extremely careless handling of sensitive government emails, said the bureau could not be sure Clintons server was not hacked and ***even added that government employees who behaved similarly could expect to be sanctioned**** The most interesting thing is how the FBI director tiptoed around lying to the FBI. What's sauce for the Martha Stewart should be sauce for the Hilliary Clinton. Who lied to the FBI and when? |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On 7/6/16 8:39 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:36:28 -0400 "Kurt V. Ullman" wrote: On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. You need to go read what she said...she never recused herself... She said she would go with the FBI's recommendation. You may be right technically, but functionally she did. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On 7/6/16 9:01 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote: On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Not exactly. She said she would accept the decision of the FBI, prosecutors and supervisors. Later she backtracked on even that, hinting that she could still get involved. But it's over at this point, at least for now. Comey was the one guy that looked honest, with him gone, it's done. As I mentioned she recused herself functionally when she said she'd take the FBI's suggestions. Missed the part where she backtracked. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:36:37 AM UTC-5, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Special Prosecutor anyone? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Guilty Monster |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:30:22 -0400
"Kurt V. Ullman" wrote: On 7/6/16 8:39 AM, burfordTjustice wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:36:28 -0400 "Kurt V. Ullman" wrote: On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. You need to go read what she said...she never recused herself... She said she would go with the FBI's recommendation. You may be right technically, but functionally she did. She even back tracked on the general statement. Like the rest in the administration she lies. She was never going to leave to chance hillary getting an indictment |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 9:51:03 AM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:36:37 AM UTC-5, Kurt V. Ullman wrote: On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Special Prosecutor anyone? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Guilty Monster Maybe you could "dig-up" Robert Bork? |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: And negligence is all that it takes for it to be a felony. Comey laid out the excellent case they had, then proceeded to say no prosecutor would ever prosecute this. Already Rudy Giuliani had come forth saying he would have. He said they even had proof of intent, that criminals never come out and say they intended to do something, but intent was obvious there from all the actions over 4 years. Comey's job was to prepare an Information of Probable Cause or not, based on evidence and send it to the AG for presentation to a Grand Jury via prosecutors. Hillary operates to deceive. I am woman! Espionage doesn't require "intent" just neglect? |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
T posted for all of us...
On 07/05/2016 12:08 PM, Tekkie wrote: I don't know if this has been posted before... Is the fix in? What about other people that got prosecuted for the same thing? What to think? It takes my breath away. I have had security clearance before. If I had pulled 1/1000 of what she pulled, my bones would still be in jail 500 years from today. I can not believe what has happened to my beloved country that I put its uniform on and placed my life on the line to protect. I have to stop thinking about this and listen to some much as I am having trouble breathing if I think about it. +1 on that... If people only knew. -- Tekkie |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
Oren posted for all of us...
Comey's job was to prepare an Information of Probable Cause or not, based on evidence and send it to the AG for presentation to a Grand Jury via prosecutors. Hillary operates to deceive. I am woman! Espionage doesn't require "intent" just neglect? She was the head of the State Dept. Part of her job was to know the rules and guidelines. She was given training and forms to sign. She was given continuing advice as how to proceed. From Comeys mouth comes the phrase "neglect". I thought it was going to be background on the FBI recommendation to to the DOJ; until the last few minutes. I agree with Oren that Comey should not have made the statement not to indict. Not his job. He was once a prosecutor but not now. The DOJ should be making the decision. I bet there are probably a few career people in both the FBI and DOJ that are ****ed. I guess we have wait to see what the rumble from the jungle is. If she cannot handle the State Dept. job then how can she possibly handle being the leader of the free world? It requires at least 100 different iterations of what she did at State. If she was in private business she would have been canned. Her performance was awful and never improved. I wonder who has the pictures... -- Tekkie |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:56:47 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:
She was the head of the State Dept. Part of her job was to know the rules and guidelines. She was given training and forms to sign. She was given continuing advice as how to proceed. From Comeys mouth comes the phrase "neglect". I thought it was going to be background on the FBI recommendation to to the DOJ; until the last few minutes. I agree with Oren that Comey should not have made the statement not to indict. Not his job. He was once a prosecutor but not now. The DOJ should be making the decision. I bet there are probably a few career people in both the FBI and DOJ that are ****ed. I guess we have wait to see what the rumble from the jungle is. If she cannot handle the State Dept. job then how can she possibly handle being the leader of the free world? It requires at least 100 different iterations of what she did at State. If she was in private business she would have been canned. Her performance was awful and never improved. I wonder who has the pictures... The normal response, as Comey stated, is "administrative sanction". That is that you lose your security clearance, you get moved to a job that does not require handling sensitive material, if you are not fired outright (hard to do in civil service) and you will never get a clearance again. Why is anyone considering giving this woman a job that involves the most sensitive material in the country? |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 1:06:46 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: And negligence is all that it takes for it to be a felony. Comey laid out the excellent case they had, then proceeded to say no prosecutor would ever prosecute this. Already Rudy Giuliani had come forth saying he would have. He said they even had proof of intent, that criminals never come out and say they intended to do something, but intent was obvious there from all the actions over 4 years. Comey's job was to prepare an Information of Probable Cause or not, based on evidence and send it to the AG for presentation to a Grand Jury via prosecutors. Hillary operates to deceive. I am woman! Espionage doesn't require "intent" just neglect? 18 USC §793. (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. What Comey describes was beyond gross negligence, he showed she knew what was going on and intended to let in continue. That's intent. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 3:18:55 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:56:47 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: She was the head of the State Dept. Part of her job was to know the rules and guidelines. She was given training and forms to sign. She was given continuing advice as how to proceed. From Comeys mouth comes the phrase "neglect". I thought it was going to be background on the FBI recommendation to to the DOJ; until the last few minutes. I agree with Oren that Comey should not have made the statement not to indict. Not his job. He was once a prosecutor but not now. The DOJ should be making the decision. I bet there are probably a few career people in both the FBI and DOJ that are ****ed.. I guess we have wait to see what the rumble from the jungle is. If she cannot handle the State Dept. job then how can she possibly handle being the leader of the free world? It requires at least 100 different iterations of what she did at State. If she was in private business she would have been canned. Her performance was awful and never improved. I wonder who has the pictures... The normal response, as Comey stated, is "administrative sanction". And in the case of John Deutsch, former CIA director, they proceeded with charges. His offense was just taking classified info home to work with on his computer. They also charged and convicted a naval reservist who did nothing more than take home a thumb drive with classified info on it. What Hillary did was put together and preside over a whole system where classified info was sent all over the place for 4 years. That is that you lose your security clearance, you get moved to a job that does not require handling sensitive material, if you are not fired outright (hard to do in civil service) and you will never get a clearance again. Why is anyone considering giving this woman a job that involves the most sensitive material in the country? |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 10:33:13 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 7/6/16 9:01 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote: On 7/5/16 8:31 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:13:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: I find it odd that The FBI boss recommended against prosecution since the way it's always worked is for law enforcement to investigate then give their findings to the prosecutor who makes the decision on whether or not to bring criminal charges. It works that way all the way down to the smallest county and city. Of course, unless it involves a member of the Commiecrat elite. They're better than me and thee and get special treatment when they're running The Executive Branch. ^_^ F FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Not exactly. She said she would accept the decision of the FBI, prosecutors and supervisors. Later she backtracked on even that, hinting that she could still get involved. But it's over at this point, at least for now. Comey was the one guy that looked honest, with him gone, it's done. As I mentioned she recused herself functionally when she said she'd take the FBI's suggestions. Missed the part where she backtracked. Again, you also missed that she did not say just FBI would make the call. She said FBI, prosecutors, supervisors, and investigators would make the call. The prosecutors and supervisors are in DOJ and we don't even know who they are. Investigators, IDK what she even means there, as I would think all the investigators are in FBI. So, theoretically those DOJ people could come forward tomorrow and say we want to proceed, but it won't happen.. Something is also very wrong here with the process, because clearly those prosecutors should have been involved, but it looks like they were bypassed.. Again, I smell a rat. It's as if the DOJ just punted on the whole thing, like maybe those prosecutors would have had a hard time not prosecuting, so they came up with the Lynch/Bill meeting as a way to get DOJ out of the whole thing period. Very, very strange. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: What Comey describes was beyond gross negligence, he showed she knew what was going on and intended to let in continue. That's intent. What we now have is the federal government calling her a lying bitch, publicly documented. |
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Oren posted for all of us...
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: What Comey describes was beyond gross negligence, he showed she knew what was going on and intended to let in continue. That's intent. What we now have is the federal government calling her a lying bitch, publicly documented. But the Klintons are impervious to it. -- Tekkie |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 1:06:46 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: And negligence is all that it takes for it to be a felony. Comey laid out the excellent case they had, then proceeded to say no prosecutor would ever prosecute this. Already Rudy Giuliani had come forth saying he would have. He said they even had proof of intent, that criminals never come out and say they intended to do something, but intent was obvious there from all the actions over 4 years. Comey's job was to prepare an Information of Probable Cause or not, based on evidence and send it to the AG for presentation to a Grand Jury via prosecutors. Hillary operates to deceive. I am woman! Espionage doesn't require "intent" just neglect? 18 USC §793. (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. What Comey describes was beyond gross negligence, he showed she knew what was going on and intended to let in continue. That's intent. As fun as it would be, Comey is right. This is not a crime but it should preclude someone from having the "football" |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
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stuff snipped FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Now let's see if the "reliable sources" quoted here a while back were right and there's a revolt in the rank and file of the FBI. Somehow I *really* doubt it. As for indicting her for setting up her own server, I just can't see Hillary partitioning a server drive array or loading an OS. Despite the comparisons, this wasn't like Petraeus' screw-up. He had clear intent and committed some very direct (and illegal) actions trying to conceal them by using a "drafts" folder communication system. About as dumb as actor Robert Blake thinking his phone calling card calls couldn't be traced. Here, an aide of Hillary's (who should have known better) set up the physical server and if he didn't get busted (he got immunity, IIRC) then likely no one would. Even with immunity they seemed unable to get him to flip on Hillary. It's almost as if the R's are trying to prove she's immune from harm. Not the kind of image you want to build for the leader of the other team. They're dragging Comey before a committee to find out why he didn't come up with the answer they wanted. Should be a laugh because he's smarter and faster on his feet than most of them put together. I suspect they'll impugn his integrity and he will bite their hands off, rhetorically and Hillary will benefit from Republican back-biting once again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey Comey is a registered Republican who donated to U.S. Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election. I am sure the faithful will continue to flog this as they flogged Benghazi to no discernable avail. Well, it does feed into Hillary's claims of being persecuted. The Benghazi committee came up mostly dry. I wonder if the people who pledged to abide by Comey's decision will keep their word? (-: When you compare this case to the as yet unindicted Snowden leaks, it's a pretty trivial issue that makes at least some people think the R's are primarily interested in witch-hunting as a means to retain power. They should remember that The Donald's got more witches to hunt than Hillary and by November the voters of the United States of Amnesia won't remember much beyond the last week's headlines. I suspect there will be a big increase in female voter registration and voting and it won't be good for the R's. Historically witches were mostly female so the spectacle of witch-hunting affects women in a visceral way. Heckuva a job, Trey Gowdy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...125_story.html -- Bobby G. |
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Comey said FBI will not recomend prosecution of Hillary
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 1:06:46 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: And negligence is all that it takes for it to be a felony. Comey laid out the excellent case they had, then proceeded to say no prosecutor would ever prosecute this. Already Rudy Giuliani had come forth saying he would have. He said they even had proof of intent, that criminals never come out and say they intended to do something, but intent was obvious there from all the actions over 4 years. Comey's job was to prepare an Information of Probable Cause or not, based on evidence and send it to the AG for presentation to a Grand Jury via prosecutors. Hillary operates to deceive. I am woman! Espionage doesn't require "intent" just neglect? 18 USC §793. (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. What Comey describes was beyond gross negligence, he showed she knew what was going on and intended to let in continue. That's intent. As fun as it would be, Comey is right. This is not a crime but it should preclude someone from having the "football" Then why was it a crime when former CIA director Deutsch did nothing more than bring home classified documents and put them on his home PC? Why was it a crime and conviction when naval reservist Brian Nishimura was prosecuted and convicted a year ago for simply taking a thumb drive home with classified info on it? |
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On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 8:43:33 AM UTC-4, Robert Green wrote:
"Kurt V. Ullman" wrote in message stuff snipped FWIW, Lynch had said (post tarmac discussion with Willy) that she was recusing herself and would accept the FBI's suggestion. Now let's see if the "reliable sources" quoted here a while back were right and there's a revolt in the rank and file of the FBI. Somehow I *really* doubt it. As for indicting her for setting up her own server, I just can't see Hillary partitioning a server drive array or loading an OS. Despite the comparisons, this wasn't like Petraeus' screw-up. He had clear intent and committed some very direct (and illegal) actions trying to conceal them by using a "drafts" folder communication system. About as dumb as actor Robert Blake thinking his phone calling card calls couldn't be traced. Petraeus isn't the comparison, though one of the counts he was charged with was removing classified info and bringing it home, you're right that he did more. The correct comparison is with former CIA director Deutsch or naval reservist Bryan Nishimura. Deutsch just brought home classified info and put it on his home computer. Prosecutors charged him and he had a plea deal worked out when Bill Clinton pardoned him. Nishimura was convicted about a year ago. Here, an aide of Hillary's (who should have known better) set up the physical server and if he didn't get busted (he got immunity, IIRC) then likely no one would. There is no reason Pagliano would necessarily be guilty of a crime. The main issue here was classified info and he wouldn't know what Hillary and her other minions would put top secret info on it. Even with immunity they seemed unable to get him to flip on Hillary. IDK on what basis you conclude that. Comey laid out the whole case of the crimes committed by Hillary and then said, never mind, we're not going to prosecute. It's almost as if the R's are trying to prove she's immune from harm. Not the kind of image you want to build for the leader of the other team. It's very clear by now the rules are different for the Clintons. From perjury to handling of classified info involving national security, to public corruption. Look at that Russian uranium deal for example. They're dragging Comey before a committee to find out why he didn't come up with the answer they wanted. Should be a laugh because he's smarter and faster on his feet than most of them put together. I suspect they'll impugn his integrity and he will bite their hands off, rhetorically and Hillary will benefit from Republican back-biting once again. There are plenty of legitimate questions that deserve answers. Explaining how Hillary is different than Deutsch and Nishimura. Explaining how he said several times that what Hillary did was "extremely careless" and why extreme carelessness with what was put through an email system that was put together at your specific request, never approved, deliberately kept hidden, for four years is different from gross negligence, which is all that is required to make it a crime. |
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