We've been looking for decent heat/cool units for small rentals for poor
people.

After listening to people on this newsgroup and talking with air
conditioning repairmen, I guess we will stay away from mini-splits.
Guess we will continue with window heat/cool units if we can find
something decent.

Some years ago, I bought a half-dozen Amana, window-mount, heat pumps.
They had mechanical controls and they were something like 18000 to 24000
BTU. These units are still in service and mostly worry free.

Unfortunately, it appears that I can't get the simple mechanical controls
anymore. Even Amana has gone to those $%&*%^^ electronic controls. I
just picked up a 12000 BTU Amana window-mount, heat pump to check it
out. I'm really disappointed with the design and construction. This
digital control panel will not survive poor people. Not even close.
Been there, tried that.

Does anyone make a commercial-grade, window mount heat-pump with
mechanical controls? Or perhaps you have some experience with other
decent systems? Any advice would be really appreciated.

Generally speaking, I don't have the room required for PTAC's in these
units .....

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 2:23:45 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:

....snip...


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Not even close. Been there, tried that.

Could it be the *type* of poor people you rent to as opposed to the
fact that they are poor?

....snip...

I could tell you stories about how my grandparents/aunts/uncles/etc.
were "poor" but I don't recall them being destructive.

On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:23:38 +0000 (UTC), sam
wrote:

We've been looking for decent heat/cool units for small rentals for poor
people.

After listening to people on this newsgroup and talking with air
conditioning repairmen, I guess we will stay away from mini-splits.
Guess we will continue with window heat/cool units if we can find
something decent.

Some years ago, I bought a half-dozen Amana, window-mount, heat pumps.
They had mechanical controls and they were something like 18000 to 24000
BTU. These units are still in service and mostly worry free.

Unfortunately, it appears that I can't get the simple mechanical controls
anymore. Even Amana has gone to those $%&*%^^ electronic controls. I
just picked up a 12000 BTU Amana window-mount, heat pump to check it
out. I'm really disappointed with the design and construction. This
digital control panel will not survive poor people. Not even close.
Been there, tried that.

Does anyone make a commercial-grade, window mount heat-pump with
mechanical controls? Or perhaps you have some experience with other
decent systems? Any advice would be really appreciated.

Generally speaking, I don't have the room required for PTAC's in these
units .....


I doubt there is much better than the normal consumer grade window
shakers. These tend to be commodity items and they seem to last
pretty long for what you are paying.
I understand your frustration with the electronic controls but I
believe it is pure economics. Those cards in the units cost less than
mechanical controls so that is what they use. I would pay extra for a
few knobs but the world has gone electronic and that is just the way
it is.

On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.




Could it be the *type* of poor people you rent to as opposed to the fact
that they are poor?

...snip...

I could tell you stories about how my grandparents/aunts/uncles/etc.
were "poor" but I don't recall them being destructive.



My parents bought my grandparents their first indoor toilet. I
understand poor. My grandparents were hard working farmers. Decent,
caring, non-destructive people.

In my rentals, I advertise, use a professional screening service and rent
to people who pass screening. Very poor people in this area appear to be
fairly destructive and improperly socialized (a fairly recent
phenomena .... maybe the last 15 years). Thank God the worst of them
never make it thru screening.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

....snip...

On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:38:34 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive
destructive people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not
survive destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

How many Rich people do you know that rent the kind
of place poor people rent?

On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:38:34 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.




I can only guess you have no experience with the posturing, endless
drama, entitled poor. Twelve months of these people will leave a digital
control panel looking like something out of a trash heap .... if it even
still works .... it would be amazing.

On 05/18/2016 02:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

I used to know one of those.

I remember a tape deck he used to have. It had the usual buttons to
control the tape (play, stop, rewind, etc...). Some of the buttons had
second functions, accessed by pressing lightly. When that tape deck
failed it was because of broken buttons, and he never used the second
functions (maybe he thought it was defective).

I don't press buttons harder than what works.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned for life is
akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it fits its hole" --
Douglas Adams

sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:38:34 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.




I can only guess you have no experience with the posturing, endless
drama, entitled poor. Twelve months of these people will leave a
digital control panel looking like something out of a trash heap ....
if it even still works .... it would be amazing.

Don't tell me , let me guess ... inner city , black tenants ? I know that
sounds racist , but after living in Memfrica Tn for 30 years I've seen it
too many times .

--
Snag

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM UTC-5, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:38:34 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

I can only guess you have no experience with the posturing, endless
drama, entitled poor. Twelve months of these people will leave a digital
control panel looking like something out of a trash heap .... if it even
still works .... it would be amazing.

Those type tenants destroy public housing. Those big apartment blocks in the big cities get trashed as a matter of course. If your tenant purchased his/her/its own window AC, I'll bet it doesn't get torn up. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Trashed Monster

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

On 5/19/2016 10:18 AM, trader_4 wrote:

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?


Friend of my has a vacation rental. (Beachfront, OC, NJ)They get $4000
a week, 2 week minimum. Based on her experience, the first is more
likely to break things. They are though, the most likelyh to recover
from.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

Which properties get destroyed more? Those that rent for $10,000 a month
or those that rent for $500? This is just more of that PC nonsense.
No one is saying that ALL poor people destroy things. But it's a fact
that low income housing gets destroyed, banged up, abused more than
properties rented to higher income people. The concern the poster
had is perfectly valid.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property. The poorest immigrant who works his butt off for what little he has is less likely to mistreat someone else's property than the slob who lives off "free" money. Your home is worth what you pay for it. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Homey Monster

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 12:16:42 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:47:30 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:


This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?



Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

Which properties get destroyed more? Those that rent for $10,000 a month
or those that rent for $500? This is just more of that PC nonsense.
No one is saying that ALL poor people destroy things. But it's a fact
that low income housing gets destroyed, banged up, abused more than
properties rented to higher income people. The concern the poster
had is perfectly valid.

It's all good. Enjoy the rest of your day.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property. The poorest immigrant who works his butt off for what little he has is less likely to mistreat someone else's property than the slob who lives off "free" money. Your home is worth what you pay for it. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Homey Monster

Take a look at some section 8 housing, how tenants treat it, then get
back to us. The wealthy rock stars that trash a hotel room, what percent
of the population are they again?

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:17:50 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property. The poorest immigrant who works his butt off for what little he has is less likely to mistreat someone else's property than the slob who lives off "free" money. Your home is worth what you pay for it. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Homey Monster

Take a look at some section 8 housing, how tenants treat it, then get
back to us. The wealthy rock stars that trash a hotel room, what percent
of the population are they again?

I've made repairs to Section 8 housing for property owners and a lot of time the damage is caused by unsupervised children. How well my customer's property was treated had nothing to do with the color of the renter's skin, it was determined by attitude, behavior and way of life. Slobs come in all colors. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Property Monster

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:


I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

My Maserati does 185.... Damn you, now I can't get that song out of my head! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Singing Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock
star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about
attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

My Maserati does 185.... Damn you, now I can't get that song out of
my head! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Singing Monster

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

--
Snag

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:31:15 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock
star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about
attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

My Maserati does 185.... Damn you, now I can't get that song out of
my head! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Singing Monster

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...



No more speed, I'm almost there
Gotta keep cool now, gotta take care
Last car to pass, here I go
And the line of cars drove down real slow

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 9:31:15 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock
star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about
attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

My Maserati does 185.... Damn you, now I can't get that song out of
my head! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Singing Monster

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...
--
Snag

Bye bye Miss American pie... I remember when songs had lyrics and were actually about something. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Pie Monster

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:31:15 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock
star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about
attitude and respect for other people's property.

Joe Walsh said (in a song)
"I live in hotels, tear out the walls
I have accountants pay for it all".

If this is not a rich guy, the owner pays for it all.

My Maserati does 185.... Damn you, now I can't get that song out of
my head! o_O

[8~{} Uncle Singing Monster

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

No more speed, I'm almost there
Gotta keep cool now, gotta take care
Last car to pass, here I go
And the line of cars drove down real slow

Yea, I was young once and thought that was cutting edge music that drove old people, like 40 years old, crazy. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Crazed Monster

On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:31:11 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

Sammy Hagar

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:40:41 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:17:50 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property. The poorest immigrant who works his butt off for what little he has is less likely to mistreat someone else's property than the slob who lives off "free" money. Your home is worth what you pay for it. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Homey Monster

Take a look at some section 8 housing, how tenants treat it, then get
back to us. The wealthy rock stars that trash a hotel room, what percent
of the population are they again?

I've made repairs to Section 8 housing for property owners and a lot of time the damage is caused by unsupervised children. How well my customer's property was treated had nothing to do with the color of the renter's skin, it was determined by attitude, behavior and way of life. Slobs come in all colors. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Property Monster

Who said anything about skin color? And who exactly damages the rental
property, ie kids, dogs, visitors is irrelevant.

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:31:11 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

Sammy Hagar

Yeah , I know . Just givin' Unc something else to run thru his
musically-inclined brain .

--
Snag

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 9:55:45 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:31:11 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

Sammy Hagar

Yeah , I know . Just givin' Unc something else to run thru his
musically-inclined brain .
--
Snag

STOP IT! You're being cruel. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Earworm Monster

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:40:41 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:

Who said anything about skin color? And who exactly damages the rental
property, ie kids, dogs, visitors is irrelevant.

Everything is about race or sexual orientation these days. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Observant Monster

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:26:51 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:40:41 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:17:50 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:38:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-4, sam wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:45:22 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

This digital control panel will not survive poor people.

The controls won't survive poor people or they won't survive destructive
people?

How does a person's net worth impact how they press buttons?

Poor wording on my part. This digital control panel will not survive
destructive, poor people.

Probably wouldn't survive destructive rich people either.

...snip...

Which people do you think are most likely to destroy appliances and
damage the place? The family renting a $10,000 a month place, or the
section 8 people renting a $500 a month place? And if there is any
damage, which do you think you could more likely recover your costs from?

Are you asking these questions simply out of curiosity?

My initial objection was to the OP's original comment (which he later
said was "poor wording) that the control panel wouldn't stand up to
"poor" people.

He then reworded it to "will not survive destructive, poor people".

I did not argue. I simply added that "Probably wouldn't survive destructive
rich people either."

"Either" is the key word in my response. The main point is that it is
*destructive* people that destroy things, not whether they are rich or poor.

I'm sure everyone has read of the wealthy actor, playboy or rock star who's destroyed hotel rooms or rental property. It's about attitude and respect for other people's property. The poorest immigrant who works his butt off for what little he has is less likely to mistreat someone else's property than the slob who lives off "free" money. Your home is worth what you pay for it. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Homey Monster

Take a look at some section 8 housing, how tenants treat it, then get
back to us. The wealthy rock stars that trash a hotel room, what percent
of the population are they again?

I've made repairs to Section 8 housing for property owners and a lot of time the damage is caused by unsupervised children. How well my customer's property was treated had nothing to do with the color of the renter's skin, it was determined by attitude, behavior and way of life. Slobs come in all colors. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Property Monster

Who said anything about skin color? And who exactly damages the rental
property, ie kids, dogs, visitors is irrelevant.

I hear ya.

I will never rent to poor dogs again. They are so destructive.

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 9:55:45 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:31:11 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

Sammy Hagar

Yeah , I know . Just givin' Unc something else to run thru his
musically-inclined brain .
--
Snag

STOP IT! You're being cruel. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Earworm Monster

Are you sayin' Don't beeee croooooll ?

--
Snag

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 9:59:56 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 9:55:45 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:31:11 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I Can't Drive fifty-fiiiiiiive ...

Sammy Hagar

Yeah , I know . Just givin' Unc something else to run thru his
musically-inclined brain .
--
Snag

STOP IT! You're being cruel. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Earworm Monster

Are you sayin' Don't beeee croooooll ?
--
Snag

NOOOoooooo, Not Elvis! Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me! Now I'm hearing Roger Miller in my head. o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1s7HHnnjU4

[8~{} Uncle Hanged Monster

On Fri, 20 May 2016 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:


NOOOoooooo, Not Elvis! Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me! Now I'm hearing Roger Miller in my head. o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1s7HHnnjU4


Elvis is everywhere - Mojo Nixon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYdkefCYl4M

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2016 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

NOOOoooooo, Not Elvis! Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me! Now I'm hearing Roger Miller in my head. o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1s7HHnnjU4

Elvis is everywhere - Mojo Nixon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYdkefCYl4M

Make it stop. Just kill me now. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Elfin Monster

On Fri, 20 May 2016 22:52:20 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2016 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

NOOOoooooo, Not Elvis! Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me! Now I'm hearing Roger Miller in my head. o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1s7HHnnjU4

Elvis is everywhere - Mojo Nixon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYdkefCYl4M

Make it stop. Just kill me now. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Elfin Monster

Elvis needs boats