That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.

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On 12/15/2015 9:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.


Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in
Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or
three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet
than me.


Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think
of the
little cabin built in the woods but log homes have been
very
mainstream. They just substitute logs for aluminum
siding.

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.


Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

Today's well built log home is as good or better than stick framed
houses. Will easily last a century. But I'd say it needs some constant
upkeeps when logs start drying up/shrinking. One example is cupboards
in the log home kitchen is sort of hung on the wall so it can move
easily(like floating). When I had built my small cabin I seriously
considered a log home but after studying all aspects of it, I drop the
idea of building one. There is show on TV about building log homes.They
are warm in winter, cool in summer.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:27:45 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/15/2015 9:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.


Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

That's not completely true. A real log home is built from actual logs
which are stacked up to form the walls. In the old days, they built
these cabins or homes from raw trees. They cut down the trees, removed
the bark, and often they somewhat squared them to fit fairly tight. Then
they knotched the ends to make them fit together and stacked them up.
Most or all of the debarking, squaring and knotching was done by hand,
so it was a lot of hard work. That explains why they were usually small
(cabins). Usually just one room. These logs were then chinked, which
means they packed a rope like material and clay or crude cement between
the logs.

Modern log homes are built similar, but the "logs" are actually factory
made, planed. sanded, and possibly knotched too. They are almost the
same as the old "Lincoln Logs" sold as toys. These logs fit tighter
together and they then use some sort of "caulking" between them. (I am
not sure what that caulking is made from).

What you're referring to, when you say "they just substitute logs for
aluminum siding", are traditional stick built homes (or can be pre-fabs
too). Then they cover the outside walls with siding that looks like
logs. This siding is real wood, often treated, and its sold just like
regular lumber. It's surface is rounded like logs, but it's only about
2" thick, and is tongue and groove. It does not need any chinking or
caulking (as far as I know). I have a few boards of this stuff, which I
got as part of a pile of misc. lumber which I bought at an auction. I
dont have enough to side anything, so it just takes up space in one of
my sheds. A building built with this stuff is NOT a real log home, it's
just a standard home covered with log-looking siding. Actually it does
look nice, but it's very costly.

I once saw a mobile home at a trailer sales lot, which had that log
siding. That mobile home cost almost twice as much as another one right
next to it, which was comparable as far as features and size. I took a
tour of it, just because I wanted to see it.

Anyone with land that has trees, has the skills, some antique tools and
a lot of time, can still build one of the "traditional" log cabins/homes
if they like to work really hard. One could be built for almost no money
(as long as you do it yourself without hired help, and dont have to buy
the logs). But you'll need some really good friends to help you at
little or no cost. In the old days, neighbors all helped each other
build their homes, and after they helped you, you had to help them, or
their children build their home. But we live in different times, and
thing are not done that way these days. One thing for sure, you can not
do this alone. You either need manpower or some machinery to lift those
heavy logs in place.

One drawback of any REAL log home, is that there are no hollow places
inside the walls for plumbing/ wiring, ducts, etc. So these things must
be mounted on the indoor wall surface, and be exposed, or covered with
some wooden trim.

I had to wire one of these real log homes once, and it was a learning
experience. I ended up using wiremold channel for most of the wires, and
surface mounted boxes. But I did manage to put some horizonal wires
between the logs and then the owner chinked over them. Of course if you
were to sheetrock the interior, you could use furring and then have a
place for wires and pipes. But a real log home has the logs exposed on
the interior too.

Either way, a *modern* log home is very costly to build, and any log
home needs a sealer or stain on the exterior and regular maintenance.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


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Dean Hoffman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so

That link just crashed my computer ... blue screen and the browser locked
up . I didn't stick around to see what virus it said caused it , just did a
forced shutdown .


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Snag

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 12/15/2015 9:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.


Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

Not always. We reclaimed three single-room (with loft) log cabins;
one from Indiana and two in Wisconsin and moved them to a property
along the mighty muddy. Combined the two full (mid 19th century)
cabins with the third more modern cabin into a single log home on
a modern foundation with a wonderful view of the river.

On 12/15/2015 8:48 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.
Two, three, or more bedrooms. A bath, or two, or three.
The people in those just as well be on another planet than me.


My family rented a large log vacation home in Wisconsin for many years
back in the 2000s. We thought the log walls and wood-everywhere
interiors were very attractive, but it had a major problem with
settling, resulting in some of the logs moving and doors and windows
popping out of their frames. It was such a costly fix, the owner
instead just put notes on the affected doors and windows telling
renters not to try using them. I have no idea if that's a potential
drawback of log homes or if the builder was at fault in this
particular case. At any rate, I loved staying there but I had no
interest in buying it. After the economy cratered, other log homes in
the area ended up being sold at auction for a fraction of their
assessed value.

Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
.....
Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

Not always. We reclaimed three single-room (with loft) log cabins;
one from Indiana and two in Wisconsin and moved them to a property
along the mighty muddy. Combined the two full (mid 19th century)
cabins with the third more modern cabin into a single log home on
a modern foundation with a wonderful view of the river.

that must have been one interesting project!

i'm much more in favor of working in layers because
of the need for good insulation during the cold weather
months. and if i'm doing layers i want the exterior to
be stone or brick as that is very good to keep out all
sorts of rodents/bugs/people/etc. then if you build
the walls and roof sturdy enough you can put gardens
on top of it which help even more with insulation and
also give you a nice integrated look with the surround-
ing area.


songbird

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

I didn't catch that , clicked on it . I've run a virus scan (showed no
infection) after a forced shutdown/reboot , should I be worried ?

--
Snag

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:05:44 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

I didn't catch that , clicked on it . I've run a virus scan (showed no
infection) after a forced shutdown/reboot , should I be worried ?

I didn't notice it either. I just killed the task. I'm not worried
about it.

songbird writes:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
....
Log "home" is more accurate than cabin. Most of us think of the little
cabin built in the woods but log homes have been very mainstream. They
just substitute logs for aluminum siding.

Not always. We reclaimed three single-room (with loft) log cabins;
one from Indiana and two in Wisconsin and moved them to a property
along the mighty muddy. Combined the two full (mid 19th century)
cabins with the third more modern cabin into a single log home on
a modern foundation with a wonderful view of the river.

that must have been one interesting project!

Indeed.


i'm much more in favor of working in layers because
of the need for good insulation during the cold weather

A 16" thick log has good thermal properties in this case.

"Terry Coombs" writes:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

I didn't catch that , clicked on it . I've run a virus scan (showed no
infection) after a forced shutdown/reboot , should I be worried ?

yes, be worried. A lot of the drive-bys use zero-day exploits that the
AV tools won't detect.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:05:44 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

I didn't catch that , clicked on it . I've run a virus scan (showed no
infection) after a forced shutdown/reboot , should I be worried ?

I didn't catch it either. I just don't like videos, or I save them
for last. Thanks for the warning.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.

On 12/16/2015 2:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.


I guess I'd worry more about the termite situation in that part of Texas.

Here it is subterranean termites where I've had concerns.

There, termites could attack from ground or air.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:01 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.


I guess I'd worry more about the termite situation in that part of Texas.

Here it is subterranean termites where I've had concerns.

There, termites could attack from ground or air.

Foreign termites or politician termites?
--
....our great nation is under attack by termites...attacking the foundation - Louisiana Senator Elbert Guillory

On 12/16/2015 2:49 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:01 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.


I guess I'd worry more about the termite situation in that part of Texas.

Here it is subterranean termites where I've had concerns.

There, termites could attack from ground or air.

Foreign termites or politician termites?


Domestic termite terrorists.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:13:47 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:49 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:01 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.


I guess I'd worry more about the termite situation in that part of Texas.

Here it is subterranean termites where I've had concerns.

There, termites could attack from ground or air.

Foreign termites or politician termites?


Domestic termite terrorists.

That sounds like naturalized termites. Not those with a visa?

On 12/16/2015 3:33 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:13:47 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:49 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:01 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:01:53 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 12/16/2015 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)


Don't do it Oren.

They would think you are a log cabin republican.

Maybe, but I'd just have to suffer through the criticism.


I guess I'd worry more about the termite situation in that part of Texas.

Here it is subterranean termites where I've had concerns.

There, termites could attack from ground or air.

Foreign termites or politician termites?


Domestic termite terrorists.

That sounds like naturalized termites. Not those with a visa?


Yup, home grown termites.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:20:20 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to
be
$400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

Does this look more legit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so

It's Jack Benny doing a violin duet with Gisele McKenzie.

Is there anything I could've done differently the first time?
I've been trying the Opera browser on my MacBook Air. One thing
I've noticed is clicking a link in a post here takes me nowhere.


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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 6:13:02 AM UTC-6, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem to be
$400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so
--

My antivirus blocked the page but when I fixed the link, I was able to get to the YouTube video of Jack Benny. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Video Monster

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
"Terry Coombs" writes:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:12:50 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:58:25 -0600, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:48:16 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


That's the title of a show on GAC. Log cabins in Oregon seem
to be $400,000 and up.

Logs by Stradivarius.

The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
Jack Benny.

That's more my world.

For the benefit of those under the tender age of forty:

www.youtube.comyoutube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so


That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

I didn't catch that , clicked on it . I've run a virus scan (showed no
infection) after a forced shutdown/reboot , should I be worried ?

yes, be worried. A lot of the drive-bys use zero-day exploits that the
AV tools won't detect.

A good heuristic AV program will stop it. Chrome blocked it and when I fixed the link, I went right to the YouTube video. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Virus Monster

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"

wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)

twist........

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:17:40 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:23:22 -0600, "ChairMan"

wrote:

Yeah, I think I could rough it in something like thisg

http://www.wideopencountry.com/can-l...e-texas-ranch/


Twist my arm and make me live there :-)

twist........


Set up a Go Fund Me page and I'll start packing ... I could certainly
be forced to live there.

Dean Hoffman wrote:

Does this look more legit?

Yes, but now it's a case of "Fooled me once . . ." Don't expect many
responses: your name was just added to a lot of killfiles.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:28:58 -0700, (Neill
Massello) wrote:

Dean Hoffman wrote:

Does this look more legit?

Yes, but now it's a case of "Fooled me once . . ." Don't expect many
responses: your name was just added to a lot of killfiles.

What makes you so trustworthy? One time a person didn't test his link
before posted it somehow makes you far superior?

Did you know Hillary really does have horns?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:40:41 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

Does this look more legit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so

It's Jack Benny doing a violin duet with Gisele McKenzie.

Is there anything I could've done differently the first time?
I've been trying the Opera browser on my MacBook Air. One thing
I've noticed is clicking a link in a post here takes me nowhere.


Just my 2 cents, but in my opinion, Opera is rubbish! Based on personal
experience. Some people will probably disagree.....

Keeping Java Script disabled will help avoid SOME hijackers and online
annoyances, but not all (regardless what browser you use). But with JS
disabled, some sites wont work properly, especially sites where you have
to fill out forms or shop.

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:40:41 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:

That's a hijacker. Note the bogus address.

Does this look more legit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3cc0HlO7so

It's Jack Benny doing a violin duet with Gisele McKenzie.

Is there anything I could've done differently the first time?
I've been trying the Opera browser on my MacBook Air. One thing
I've noticed is clicking a link in a post here takes me nowhere.


Just my 2 cents, but in my opinion, Opera is rubbish! Based on
personal experience. Some people will probably disagree.....

Keeping Java Script disabled will help avoid SOME hijackers and online
annoyances, but not all (regardless what browser you use). But with JS
disabled, some sites wont work properly, especially sites where you
have to fill out forms or shop.

You're entitled to your opopinion , but IMO Opera is worlds better than
Firefox (bloated and slow to load) IE (sucks and is difficult to configure)
, and Chrome (spyware like everything else google) . It's not perfect , but
it beats the competition IMO . I also tried pale moon and aviator , neither
did what I want .

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Snag

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:38:34 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

You're entitled to your opopinion , but IMO Opera is worlds better than
Firefox (bloated and slow to load) IE (sucks and is difficult to configure)
, and Chrome (spyware like everything else google) . It's not perfect , but
it beats the competition IMO . I also tried pale moon and aviator , neither
did what I want .

--
Snag

We all have our preferences. I never liked Opera at all. I didn't like
it in the 1990's and didn't like it the last time I tried it a few years
ago. I normally run an OLDER version of Firefox (less bloated), or
K-Meleon, which is similar to the OLDER Firefox. I would not touch
Chrome spyware. IE always sucked. Pale Moon crashed repeatedly for me
while installing it on XP Pro SP3, so I never got to use it.
K-Meleon is my favorite. Seamonkey is fair and my 3rd choice.
(All versions of Firefox since version 21, SUCK ASS. They ruined a once
great browser).

When it comes to browser software, there is no browser that really works
flawlessly. But a lot of that is due to poorly designed websites with
all their worthless scripts.

I never heard of aviator????

wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:38:34 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

You're entitled to your opopinion , but IMO Opera is worlds better
than Firefox (bloated and slow to load) IE (sucks and is difficult
to configure) , and Chrome (spyware like everything else google) .
It's not perfect , but it beats the competition IMO . I also tried
pale moon and aviator , neither did what I want .

--
Snag

We all have our preferences. I never liked Opera at all. I didn't like
it in the 1990's and didn't like it the last time I tried it a few
years ago. I normally run an OLDER version of Firefox (less bloated),
or K-Meleon, which is similar to the OLDER Firefox. I would not touch
Chrome spyware. IE always sucked. Pale Moon crashed repeatedly for me
while installing it on XP Pro SP3, so I never got to use it.
K-Meleon is my favorite. Seamonkey is fair and my 3rd choice.
(All versions of Firefox since version 21, SUCK ASS. They ruined a
once great browser).

When it comes to browser software, there is no browser that really
works flawlessly. But a lot of that is due to poorly designed
websites with all their worthless scripts.

I never heard of aviator????

They call it a "lite" browser , it doesn't work with my adblockers etc .
Same problem with pale moon , it doesn't support adblock and I ain't buying
bandwidth to see ads on every web page .

--
Snag

writes:


Just my 2 cents, but in my opinion, Opera is rubbish! Based on personal
experience. Some people will probably disagree.....


Next time it's in town, go see _The Barber of Seville_ and you may
just change your mind.

:-)

On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 7:26:44 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:38:34 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

You're entitled to your opopinion , but IMO Opera is worlds better
than Firefox (bloated and slow to load) IE (sucks and is difficult
to configure) , and Chrome (spyware like everything else google) .
It's not perfect , but it beats the competition IMO . I also tried
pale moon and aviator , neither did what I want .

--
Snag

We all have our preferences. I never liked Opera at all. I didn't like
it in the 1990's and didn't like it the last time I tried it a few
years ago. I normally run an OLDER version of Firefox (less bloated),
or K-Meleon, which is similar to the OLDER Firefox. I would not touch
Chrome spyware. IE always sucked. Pale Moon crashed repeatedly for me
while installing it on XP Pro SP3, so I never got to use it.
K-Meleon is my favorite. Seamonkey is fair and my 3rd choice.
(All versions of Firefox since version 21, SUCK ASS. They ruined a
once great browser).

When it comes to browser software, there is no browser that really
works flawlessly. But a lot of that is due to poorly designed
websites with all their worthless scripts.

I never heard of aviator????

They call it a "lite" browser , it doesn't work with my adblockers etc .
Same problem with pale moon , it doesn't support adblock and I ain't buying
bandwidth to see ads on every web page .
--
Snag

Pale Moon works well when you add "Adblock Latitude". I've used it on Win7 and Pale Moon 25.8.1. It keeps a lot of ads from interfering with your browsing. (€¢€¿€¢)

https://addons.palemoon.org/extensio...lock-latitude/

[8~{} Uncle Ad Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 7:26:44 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:38:34 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

You're entitled to your opopinion , but IMO Opera is worlds better
than Firefox (bloated and slow to load) IE (sucks and is difficult
to configure) , and Chrome (spyware like everything else google) .
It's not perfect , but it beats the competition IMO . I also tried
pale moon and aviator , neither did what I want .

--
Snag

We all have our preferences. I never liked Opera at all. I didn't
like it in the 1990's and didn't like it the last time I tried it a
few years ago. I normally run an OLDER version of Firefox (less
bloated), or K-Meleon, which is similar to the OLDER Firefox. I
would not touch Chrome spyware. IE always sucked. Pale Moon crashed
repeatedly for me while installing it on XP Pro SP3, so I never got
to use it.
K-Meleon is my favorite. Seamonkey is fair and my 3rd choice.
(All versions of Firefox since version 21, SUCK ASS. They ruined a
once great browser).

When it comes to browser software, there is no browser that really
works flawlessly. But a lot of that is due to poorly designed
websites with all their worthless scripts.

I never heard of aviator????

They call it a "lite" browser , it doesn't work with my
adblockers etc . Same problem with pale moon , it doesn't support
adblock and I ain't buying bandwidth to see ads on every web page .
--
Snag

Pale Moon works well when you add "Adblock Latitude". I've used it on
Win7 and Pale Moon 25.8.1. It keeps a lot of ads from interfering
with your browsing. (.?.)

https://addons.palemoon.org/extensio...lock-latitude/

[8~{} Uncle Ad Monster

Thanks Unc , that wasn't out when I was testing PM .

--
Snag

Scott Lurndal wrote:
songbird writes:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
....

i'm much more in favor of working in layers because
of the need for good insulation during the cold weather

A 16" thick log has good thermal properties in this case.

in our location, when the trees had not grown up yet,
we'd have bad enough windchills that the furnace could
barely keep up. the open fields around us let it all
howl through.

now i've sealed up quite a bit of the gaps and we've
had a heat exchanger replaced and it does help that the
bordering trees have become an actual wind break.


songbird