I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:45:52 -0500, wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?


Very easy, this kind of thing happens all the time. Just build the
same size deck on the back of the house and when it's complete stand
near the edge and let gravity do the rest.

wrote:
I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?


Build back deck equal or bigger than front one and walk out on it.
You are a troll, plonk!

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:45:52 -0500,
wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

Whatever you do, don't leave where you're standing.

Or it will plop back and break things.

wrote in message
...
I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?



As this problem is clearly a direct affect of global warming, er, I mean
climate change, it will be impossible to fix. If only you had used fewer
fossil fuels during your hedonistic life. Serves you right.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 23:36:14 -0600, (Neill
Massello) wrote:

wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

wrote in message ...

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

Bob Villa can take a gander into this most peculiar situation, little
feller, when he gets off shift at the tortilla factory.

On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 9:48:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

There are all kinds of reality shows about flipping houses...check into it! ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)•*ˆ©•®

On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:45:52 -0500, wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

paint the new deck with helium paint.

On 08/09/2015 09:45 PM, wrote:
I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?





Happens to me from time to time

I wrote this poem concerning the subject (a few years ago)

It was rejected by the New Yorker but in the issue I expected to see it,
they had a cartoon about people eating on the ceiling

I am still ****ed off


·
Wednesdays


Wednesdays were always my favorite.
Pabst allowed us to dine on the ceiling.

The table:
A hardware store extravaganza of brackets and gears,
Pulleys and screws and levers and mirrors.
We’d climb the ladder and fasten ourselves in.

Drinking was a bit messy…
Soup required special bowls.


Marmz never much saw the point…
But those days were the best days,
I’ve ever remembered…
Until the tornado.


Sissy-ister was tossed,
Upside down.
The soup bowl on her head,
A Mulligan crown.

Pabst set out to hire pachyderm,
To de-topsy our turvey home.
The elephant boss Mahout,
In the bottle his snoot,
Was (alas) of no use.


Our house remained on its side.

We no longer dine Wednesdays…
On the ceiling.

Now ‘tis Thursday…
The day we eat upside down.
Our normal day…
As I recall,
The day we ate upon the wall.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

You must give the Generals a lot of credit for holding their knee slapping
and gut busting laughter until after the hearing.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:17:56 -0700, "taxed and spent"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

You must give the Generals a lot of credit for holding their knee slapping
and gut busting laughter until after the hearing.

The really sad thing is that idiot is still in office.

"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:17:56 -0700, "taxed and spent"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

You must give the Generals a lot of credit for holding their knee slapping
and gut busting laughter until after the hearing.

The really sad thing is that idiot is still in office.

Perhaps he is less harmful than some of the "smart" ones.

On 8/9/2015 10:45 PM, wrote:
I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?


Get a job.
Pay off your student loans.

wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my
house. It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole
front of the house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to
the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden
my house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held
in place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the
lawn.

How do I fix this?

Have a few beers. You won't notice it anymore.

On 8/10/15 4:29 PM, philo wrote:


·
Wednesdays


Wednesdays were always my favorite.
Pabst allowed us to dine on the ceiling.

The table:
A hardware store extravaganza of brackets and gears,
Pulleys and screws and levers and mirrors.
We’d climb the ladder and fasten ourselves in.

Drinking was a bit messy…
Soup required special bowls.


Marmz never much saw the point…
But those days were the best days,
I’ve ever remembered…
Until the tornado.


Sissy-ister was tossed,
Upside down.
The soup bowl on her head,
A Mulligan crown.

Pabst set out to hire pachyderm,
To de-topsy our turvey home.
The elephant boss Mahout,
In the bottle his snoot,
Was (alas) of no use.


Our house remained on its side.

We no longer dine Wednesdays…
On the ceiling.

Now ‘tis Thursday…
The day we eat upside down.
Our normal day…
As I recall,
The day we ate upon the wall.


Reminds me of The Scarecrow, starting at 2:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR32Ths4WX0

On 8/10/15 5:17 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

You must give the Generals a lot of credit for holding their knee slapping
and gut busting laughter until after the hearing.


What's not to like about a congressman who talks like the greatest
catcher in the history of baseball?

He had a law practice for 25 years and was a magistrate for 10 of those
years. He was elected to congress in 2006. His first bill said street
patrols in Iraq should be turned over to the Iraqis. I'd call him a cut
above Rumsfeld, who expressed indifference to GI requests for armored
HUMVs. He also said units must not be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan
unless certified mission capable, unless the president waived that for a
particular unit, for national security.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution found him pretty sharp. So did his
constituents. Sixty percent were black, but he took 99.9% of the vote
in 2008.

He was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1998. He said he didn't know how
he'd contracted it. The virus wasn't even proved to exist until 1989, so
in those days, hospitals weren't good at screening blood or making sure
surgical equipment was safe.

In February of 2010, he completed a successful treatment at Walter Reed,
but the disease had left him underweight and easily confused. That would
explain his inappropriate metaphor the following month. Constituents
still had faith in him. He took 75% of the vote in November. Since
then, he has regained his acuity and gained weight.

"J Burns" wrote in message
...
On 8/10/15 5:17 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:54:23 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Move to Guam.

No, no, no, Guam will tip over if too many people go there! At least
the honorable Hank Johnson thinks so.

Yep. He was very concerned about expanding military operations. Guam
might tip over and capsize. Demonstrates how democrats "think".

When he spoke in the hearing, he actually tilted in one direction.

Grasping for words I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

You must give the Generals a lot of credit for holding their knee
slapping
and gut busting laughter until after the hearing.


What's not to like about a congressman who talks like the greatest catcher
in the history of baseball?

He had a law practice for 25 years and was a magistrate for 10 of those
years. He was elected to congress in 2006. His first bill said street
patrols in Iraq should be turned over to the Iraqis. I'd call him a cut
above Rumsfeld, who expressed indifference to GI requests for armored
HUMVs. He also said units must not be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan
unless certified mission capable, unless the president waived that for a
particular unit, for national security.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution found him pretty sharp. So did his
constituents.

"On October 5, 2014 The Washingtonian published their 15th biennial "Best &
Worst of Congress" list. This is a unique perspective of how congressional
staffers see elected members of congress. The process is simple, ALL
staffers -of all offices- get ballots asking for the best and worst elected
members of congress in various categories. Rep. Hank Johnson was voted
"Worst Speaker" and "Most Clueless" by congressional staffers."


Sixty percent were black, but he took 99.9% of the vote
in 2008.

he ran unopposed.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:32:35 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


He was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1998. He said he didn't know how

I gave blood around 1988, and soon got a letter from the Red Cross
saying I had non-A, non-B, non-C hepatitits, something not really known
to exist at the time (Since C wa a catch-all for a while) and that I
shouldnt' give blood anymore. They do this diagnosis based not on any
symptoms I had but on values of certain things in the blood.

I didn't really like giving blood, so that was a good, compelling
excuse.

Then 15 years later I got a letter from them (It pays not to move)
telling me that new information or new studies or something meant I
didnt' have hepatitis after all...... but I still shoudn't give blood.
My internist couldnt' explain that.

But I guess I have the best of both worlds, I'm not sick but I don't
have to give blood. Well I would like to, except when I'm doing it.

he'd contracted it. The virus wasn't even proved to exist until 1989, so
in those days, hospitals weren't good at screening blood or making sure
surgical equipment was safe.

In February of 2010, he completed a successful treatment at Walter Reed,
but the disease had left him underweight and easily confused. That would

Wow. So that's the rest of the story.

explain his inappropriate metaphor the following month. Constituents
still had faith in him. He took 75% of the vote in November. Since
then, he has regained his acuity and gained weight.

I've gained weight!

On 8/10/15 11:15 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
"J Burns" wrote in message


The Atlanta Journal Constitution found him pretty sharp. So did his
constituents.

"On October 5, 2014 The Washingtonian published their 15th biennial "Best &
Worst of Congress" list. This is a unique perspective of how congressional
staffers see elected members of congress. The process is simple, ALL
staffers -of all offices- get ballots asking for the best and worst elected
members of congress in various categories. Rep. Hank Johnson was voted
"Worst Speaker" and "Most Clueless" by congressional staffers."

The flagship of Cox Enterprises, the Atlanta Journal Constitution is a
conservative newspaper with an excellent reputation.

The Washingtonian was a sideline for the director of a private art
collection founded by his wealthy parents. It was about the high life:
the best restaurants, neighborhoods, and divorce lawyers. His widow
tries to continue the fluffy tradition.

I have trouble evaluating a couple of dozen candidates on a ballot. How
well do you think hundreds of secretaries and interns can compare 435
members of congress? If Johnson won, it shows he'd gotten the word out
with his hilarious youtube video.

You can be led by a liberal inside-the-beltway magazine if you wish.
I'll take my advice from a fine conservative newspaper.



Sixty percent were black, but he took 99.9% of the vote
in 2008.

he ran unopposed.

Exactly. Who would have the audacity to run against such a man? In
fact, three write-ins ganged up against him. Together, they got 0.1% of
the vote. Only one voter in a thousand didn't want to endorse him.

On 08/10/2015 09:02 PM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/10/15 4:29 PM, philo wrote:


·upon the wall.


Reminds me of The Scarecrow, starting at 2:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR32Ths4WX0



Great movie!!!

On 8/11/15 12:37 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:32:35 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


He was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1998. He said he didn't know how

I gave blood around 1988, and soon got a letter from the Red Cross
saying I had non-A, non-B, non-C hepatitits, something not really known
to exist at the time (Since C wa a catch-all for a while) and that I
shouldnt' give blood anymore. They do this diagnosis based not on any
symptoms I had but on values of certain things in the blood.

I didn't really like giving blood, so that was a good, compelling
excuse.

Then 15 years later I got a letter from them (It pays not to move)
telling me that new information or new studies or something meant I
didnt' have hepatitis after all...... but I still shoudn't give blood.
My internist couldnt' explain that.


One morning in January of 1980, I suddenly felt cold. I got into a
mummy sleeping bag in a warm room. I couldn't get warm. For four days,
I couldn't eat, a flight of stairs was exhausting, and i couldn't get
warm except in the shower. It was a mystery. Until a few minutes before
I got into the sleeping bag, my health had seemed excellent.

I finally went to the neighborhood doctor. He flew into a rage when I
walked in. He said he knew I had hepatitis because my eyes were yellow.
He told me to get to a hospital before I infected the whole town.

I didn't know why he would insinuate that I had an infectious disease
that decent citizens didn't get, unless me presumed I was a substance
abuser. Why of course! I was a Vietnam veteran. You can never live
down a disgrace like that.

There I was, deathly ill, cold, and weak, and I couldn't even stay in
bed. He was banishing me from his town without even telling me what was
wrong. It was snowing. There were already 5" on the roads. The VA
hospital was 20 miles away. The trip would take an hour or so, most of
it standing at bus stops in the blowing snow.

I'd never really come back from Vietnam. Now I felt like I was there,
and I was glad. "Easy come, easy go, it never was my country anyway."

I'd seen pieces of Midnight Cowboy on TV. I figured I'd end up like
Dustin Hoffman, dead and cold on a bus seat. It was a long walk up the
driveway in the snow to the hospital. They took blood. Except for
immunizations, 57 stitches for 8 wounds in the Marines, and a cortisone
shot after treatment for a broken elbow had been withheld 3 years in the
Coast Guard, that was the only time I'd been stuck with a needle, but
the neighborhood doc seemed to have me pegged as a drug addict.

I sat for hours in the waiting area, cold, weak, and nauseous. Then I
was called in to see a young doctor. He told me I had mononucleosis.
Nothing could be done for me, and I'd be sick for six months. He told me
to go home.

I doubted I'd make it. With no treatment, I would have been better off
if I'd never gotten out of bed, but I was glad I'd come. Now I knew
what was killing me. More important, he knew I was a Vietnam veteran
but hadn't talked to me like scum. I'd been back 12 years, and that was
a novelty.

When I got back, I found I could eat a little. For weeks, I slept around
the clock, unable to stay awake more than 15 minutes. Climbing stairs
was exhausting. It was six weeks before I could step outside and seven
months before I felt fairly well.

Many people don't even know they have mononucleosis, but it's fatal in
2% of males. Normally, swelling of the liver and spleen is a clinical
symptom. In the unlucky few, the virus explodes when it hits the liver,
and they die of necrosis.

I don't think my liver ever swelled. It must have been wiped out in a
matter of minutes. I believe my liver made a lot of glycogen. It could
keep me going all day without getting hungry or thirsty, but I think it
was like gunpowder and the virus was a spark. Without a liver to make
vital substances and detoxify, I could only lie there getting cold like
a corpse.

I think two things saved me. Without a liver, I don't think I was
making anything to sustain the virus, and a liver can regenerate. In 96
hours, I think I had enough liver function to keep me alive, but I
didn't know it because I was following civilization's hypocritical rule
to pursue medical attention. That could have killed me and was probably
a big setback to my recovery. Who cares? The goal of medicine is money.

On 8/11/2015 8:18 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/11/15 12:37 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:32:35 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


He was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1998. He said he didn't know how

I gave blood around 1988, and soon got a letter from the Red Cross
saying I had non-A, non-B, non-C hepatitits, something not really known
to exist at the time (Since C wa a catch-all for a while) and that I
shouldnt' give blood anymore. They do this diagnosis based not on any
symptoms I had but on values of certain things in the blood.

I didn't really like giving blood, so that was a good, compelling
excuse.

Then 15 years later I got a letter from them (It pays not to move)
telling me that new information or new studies or something meant I
didnt' have hepatitis after all...... but I still shoudn't give blood.
My internist couldnt' explain that.


One morning in January of 1980, I suddenly felt cold. I got into a
mummy sleeping bag in a warm room. I couldn't get warm. For four days,
I couldn't eat, a flight of stairs was exhausting, and i couldn't get
warm except in the shower. It was a mystery. Until a few minutes before
I got into the sleeping bag, my health had seemed excellent.

I finally went to the neighborhood doctor. He flew into a rage when I
walked in. He said he knew I had hepatitis because my eyes were yellow.
He told me to get to a hospital before I infected the whole town.

I didn't know why he would insinuate that I had an infectious disease
that decent citizens didn't get, unless me presumed I was a substance
abuser. Why of course! I was a Vietnam veteran. You can never live
down a disgrace like that.

There I was, deathly ill, cold, and weak, and I couldn't even stay in
bed. He was banishing me from his town without even telling me what was
wrong. It was snowing. There were already 5" on the roads. The VA
hospital was 20 miles away. The trip would take an hour or so, most of
it standing at bus stops in the blowing snow.

I'd never really come back from Vietnam. Now I felt like I was there,
and I was glad. "Easy come, easy go, it never was my country anyway."

I'd seen pieces of Midnight Cowboy on TV. I figured I'd end up like
Dustin Hoffman, dead and cold on a bus seat. It was a long walk up the
driveway in the snow to the hospital. They took blood. Except for
immunizations, 57 stitches for 8 wounds in the Marines, and a cortisone
shot after treatment for a broken elbow had been withheld 3 years in the
Coast Guard, that was the only time I'd been stuck with a needle, but
the neighborhood doc seemed to have me pegged as a drug addict.

I sat for hours in the waiting area, cold, weak, and nauseous. Then I
was called in to see a young doctor. He told me I had mononucleosis.
Nothing could be done for me, and I'd be sick for six months. He told me
to go home.

I doubted I'd make it. With no treatment, I would have been better off
if I'd never gotten out of bed, but I was glad I'd come. Now I knew
what was killing me. More important, he knew I was a Vietnam veteran
but hadn't talked to me like scum. I'd been back 12 years, and that was
a novelty.

When I got back, I found I could eat a little. For weeks, I slept around
the clock, unable to stay awake more than 15 minutes. Climbing stairs
was exhausting. It was six weeks before I could step outside and seven
months before I felt fairly well.

Many people don't even know they have mononucleosis, but it's fatal in
2% of males. Normally, swelling of the liver and spleen is a clinical
symptom. In the unlucky few, the virus explodes when it hits the liver,
and they die of necrosis.

I don't think my liver ever swelled. It must have been wiped out in a
matter of minutes. I believe my liver made a lot of glycogen. It could
keep me going all day without getting hungry or thirsty, but I think it
was like gunpowder and the virus was a spark. Without a liver to make
vital substances and detoxify, I could only lie there getting cold like
a corpse.

I think two things saved me. Without a liver, I don't think I was
making anything to sustain the virus, and a liver can regenerate. In 96
hours, I think I had enough liver function to keep me alive, but I
didn't know it because I was following civilization's hypocritical rule
to pursue medical attention. That could have killed me and was probably
a big setback to my recovery. Who cares? The goal of medicine is money.


I'm glad you survived both Vietnam and mono.

Thank you for serving, too.

--
Maggie

On 8/11/2015 8:18 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/11/15 12:37 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:32:35 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


He was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1998. He said he didn't know how

I gave blood around 1988, and soon got a letter from the Red Cross
saying I had non-A, non-B, non-C hepatitits, something not really known
to exist at the time (Since C wa a catch-all for a while) and that I
shouldnt' give blood anymore. They do this diagnosis based not on any
symptoms I had but on values of certain things in the blood.

I didn't really like giving blood, so that was a good, compelling
excuse.

Then 15 years later I got a letter from them (It pays not to move)
telling me that new information or new studies or something meant I
didnt' have hepatitis after all...... but I still shoudn't give blood.
My internist couldnt' explain that.


One morning in January of 1980, I suddenly felt cold. I got into a
mummy sleeping bag in a warm room. I couldn't get warm. For four days,
I couldn't eat, a flight of stairs was exhausting, and i couldn't get
warm except in the shower. It was a mystery. Until a few minutes before
I got into the sleeping bag, my health had seemed excellent.

I finally went to the neighborhood doctor. He flew into a rage when I
walked in. He said he knew I had hepatitis because my eyes were yellow.
He told me to get to a hospital before I infected the whole town.

I didn't know why he would insinuate that I had an infectious disease
that decent citizens didn't get, unless me presumed I was a substance
abuser. Why of course! I was a Vietnam veteran. You can never live
down a disgrace like that.

There I was, deathly ill, cold, and weak, and I couldn't even stay in
bed. He was banishing me from his town without even telling me what was
wrong. It was snowing. There were already 5" on the roads. The VA
hospital was 20 miles away. The trip would take an hour or so, most of
it standing at bus stops in the blowing snow.

I'd never really come back from Vietnam. Now I felt like I was there,
and I was glad. "Easy come, easy go, it never was my country anyway."

I'd seen pieces of Midnight Cowboy on TV. I figured I'd end up like
Dustin Hoffman, dead and cold on a bus seat. It was a long walk up the
driveway in the snow to the hospital. They took blood. Except for
immunizations, 57 stitches for 8 wounds in the Marines, and a cortisone
shot after treatment for a broken elbow had been withheld 3 years in the
Coast Guard, that was the only time I'd been stuck with a needle, but
the neighborhood doc seemed to have me pegged as a drug addict.

I sat for hours in the waiting area, cold, weak, and nauseous. Then I
was called in to see a young doctor. He told me I had mononucleosis.
Nothing could be done for me, and I'd be sick for six months. He told me
to go home.

I doubted I'd make it. With no treatment, I would have been better off
if I'd never gotten out of bed, but I was glad I'd come. Now I knew
what was killing me. More important, he knew I was a Vietnam veteran
but hadn't talked to me like scum. I'd been back 12 years, and that was
a novelty.

When I got back, I found I could eat a little. For weeks, I slept around
the clock, unable to stay awake more than 15 minutes. Climbing stairs
was exhausting. It was six weeks before I could step outside and seven
months before I felt fairly well.

Many people don't even know they have mononucleosis, but it's fatal in
2% of males. Normally, swelling of the liver and spleen is a clinical
symptom. In the unlucky few, the virus explodes when it hits the liver,
and they die of necrosis.

I don't think my liver ever swelled. It must have been wiped out in a
matter of minutes. I believe my liver made a lot of glycogen. It could
keep me going all day without getting hungry or thirsty, but I think it
was like gunpowder and the virus was a spark. Without a liver to make
vital substances and detoxify, I could only lie there getting cold like
a corpse.

I think two things saved me. Without a liver, I don't think I was
making anything to sustain the virus, and a liver can regenerate. In 96
hours, I think I had enough liver function to keep me alive, but I
didn't know it because I was following civilization's hypocritical rule
to pursue medical attention. That could have killed me and was probably
a big setback to my recovery. Who cares? The goal of medicine is money.

Sounds like you had a really bad case. The symptoms of mono are many
and varied. Often times the spleen gets enlarged, which if very
dangerous. High, sustained fever is another. Many people get bad cases
of jaundice. As far as I know, there's no real treatment other than to
address what symptoms you present with. I had the swollen spleen, the
jaundice and ran 105 temp for 10 days. It was pretty bad. 2 months
later, I was much better, but was told to tread lightly because I would
be more likely than others to come down with it again.

I'm glad you survived because I know how tough it can be.

On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 12:55:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:45:52 -0500, wrote:

I spent the last 5 weeks building a nice deck on the front of my house.
It sticks out from the house 10 feet and covers the whole front of the
house. I built it without posts, so it just attached to the house.

When it was completed, I walked out to the edge, and all of a sudden my
house tipped over. Now the house sits as a 45 deg angle being held in
place by the deck. And the front of the deck is now touching the lawn.

How do I fix this?

paint the new deck with helium paint.

Do you remember the guy in California, I think, who tied hundreds of helium filed balloons to a lawn chair and took a pellet gun with him to pop balloons when he wanted to descend? Our house tipper could tie lots of helium filled balloons to his deck after anchoring the deck to some trees in his yard to keep the house from tipping too far back over. Of course he could let it tip back over a bit so he can install posts then pop enough balloons to gently let the deck settle onto the posts. After attaching the deck to the posts which should be firmly attached to concrete footers, he can repurpose the balloons by catching stray cats and tying enough balloons to their tails which will allow them to sail away on the wind. He could also tie hundreds of balloons to harnesses and give them to pesky neighborhood kids to allow the to play "Around The World In 80 Days". ‰–€¿‰–

[8~{} Uncle Deck Monster

On 8/11/15 4:20 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Sounds like you had a really bad case. The symptoms of mono are many
and varied. Often times the spleen gets enlarged, which if very
dangerous. High, sustained fever is another. Many people get bad cases
of jaundice. As far as I know, there's no real treatment other than to
address what symptoms you present with. I had the swollen spleen, the
jaundice and ran 105 temp for 10 days. It was pretty bad. 2 months
later, I was much better, but was told to tread lightly because I would
be more likely than others to come down with it again.

I'm glad you survived because I know how tough it can be.

I was curious, so I looked it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_liver_failure

If I couldn't get warm in a mummy sleeping bag in a warm room, and I was
very weak, and my eyes were yellow, acute liver failure sounds like a
suitable diagnosis, although I wasn't told it.

It says ACL is the rapid onset of liver dysfunction in a person without
known prior liver disease. It says "hyperacute" occurs within 7 days.
Mine was more like 7 minutes.

When the local doctor saw my yellow eyes, his best bet might have been
acetaminophen overdose. The second might have been reaction to
medication. The third, too much to drink. The usual infectious agents
are Hepatitis A and B, but A comes in epidemics from contaminated food
and water.

That leaves B, transmitted by sharing needles. About 1% if Americans are
infected. Few are treated because only 1% have the potential to cause
ALF. There was a 1 in 10,000 chance that a person would have acute liver
trouble from hepatitis B. The only reason to assume I had hepatitis B
was an assumption that I was a junkie. I'd lived in the community 15
years, and nothing in my behavior suggested that. It had to be because I
was a Vietnam veteran. (A few years later, Johnny Carson made the
serious announcement that he thought it was time for "us" to forgive the
Vietnam veterans.)

The VA doctor was more polite in the way he told me to go to hell, but
he, too, treated me like Lazarus. He told me there was no treatment for
mono, and I mustn't drink any beer for 6 months because my liver was
shot. Did he assume I was a boozer because I was a Vietnam veteran?

Somewhere I've read that in 1% of cases, mono "explodes" when it hits
the liver, and the victims are normally males. That's where I got the 2%
figure for males. Now I've found an abstract of research done from 1998
to 2012.

http://link.springer.com/article/10....620-014-3029-2

They said ALF is uncommon, and the fatality rate is high. They studied
records of 1887 ALF cases between 1998 and 2012. All were 18-44 years
old and 75% male. Of these, 4 (0.21%) were caused by the EB virus. All
were treated with an antiviral agent. Two died and a third needed a
liver transplant.

I think ALF may be much more common. It takes lab work to diagnose it.
If the criteria are met, wouldn't the doctor be likely to say it was
previously undiagnosed chronic failure? Similarly, if a doctor
determined that it was acute, would he even look for a link to something
seemingly as unlikely as the EB virus? Many report that the cause is
unknown, or perhaps he could blame a medication that might cause ALF.

Five years earlier, my father had suffered a severe illness that started
the same way: suddenly, he couldn't get warm. I didn't connect the two
cases because they said mine was mono and his was Epstein-Barr. We had
large glycogen stores in common. He might eat a light breakfast, then
not slow down to eat until 11 PM.

I figure the virus affects most livers like a torpedo hitting a
battleship. You might not even notice, or you might suffer inconvenience
until the damage can be repaired. I figure a liver full of glycogen is
like an aircraft carrier full of aviation fuel.

As the rector of a parish with 700 households, he got the best doctors.
They put him in an iron lung. His breathing soon recovered, but his legs
were weak and painful for the rest of his life. He'd become a priest on
account of his legs. After college, his ambition was to break in with
the Red Sox. His running and jumping were exceptional. Baseball
mattered more than religion to the bishop. He saw him play and recruited
him.

I was lucky to be a Vietnam veteran. The doctors directed me to the
gutter, and I had a pleasant recovery. For a fan of Sad Sack, sleeping
around the clock for a few weeks was ideal. Think of all the idiotic TV
and conversation I avoided! The day I felt strong enough to step
outside, I walked two miles to the library, caught up on periodicals,
and walked back. I wasn't up to par, but I was doing fine.

I experienced no usual symptoms of mono. Maybe my immune system overcame
the virus fast, if not fast enough for my liver. Vitamins A and D are
vital to the immune system. An enlightened diet may have been my
father's disadvantage.

My mother had quit serving liver when I was a teen because medical
fashion said Vitamin A was dangerous. You were supposed to get it from
beta carotene, but medical fashion said to serve vegetables raw or
blanched because cooking destroyed vitamins. Unfortunately, the human
gut can't get much nutrition from vegetables that aren't cooked soft.
You were supposed to get beta carotene in vitamin pills, but medical
fashion said not to eat fat at breakfast. Without fat to trigger the
secretion of bile, beta carotene doesn't become vitamin A.

My father used to love reading shirtless in the sun, but a few years
before his illness, his doctor ordered him to avoid the sun because that
was the latest medical fashion. Medical fashion said to get vitamin D
from vitamin pills, but the usual supplement in pills was more useful to
rats than humans. The supplement usually found in milk was better, but
medical fashion said not to drink much.

When I enlisted, I was glad to get liver again, and I found I loved
vegetables cooked soft. I didn't avoid the sun. (In Vietnam, I got so
much sun that I looked like a gingerbread boy with bleached, curly hair,
not the dark, straight hair I'd had at home. I guess that's how I caught
the eye of the princess.)

Unlike my enlightened parents, I ate dumb, old-fashioned food and
followed a dumb, old-fashioned lifestyle. I figured we dumb people must
have been doing something right because there were lot more of us alive
than there were smart people.

Sixteen years after his time in the iron lung, his doctor ordered him to
avoid dairy products because that was the latest medical fashion. A year
later, he had terminal throat cancer. Fed up with doctors, he declined
treatment because it was known to be useless except of course to bring
in lots of insurance money.

My siblings smugly said it was his own fault for smoking a pipe, which
he'd quit on doctor's orders 20 years earlier. That was medical fashion.
The medical industry ignored the Surgeon General's 1964 report on
smoking. It proved cigarettes killed but noted that pipe smokers lived 3
years longer than men who had never smoked.

His cancer was rare in America but common in China, where so many people
had it and so many smoked that it could be determined that there was no
statistical correlation. That kind of cancer is caused by the EB virus.
In ordering my father to avoid any sun or milk, the doctors crippled his
immune system. The common virus that had once put him in an iron lung,
came back to kill him.

On 8/12/2015 10:17 PM, J Burns wrote:
[...]
I was lucky to be a Vietnam veteran. The doctors directed me to the
gutter, and I had a pleasant recovery. For a fan of Sad Sack, sleeping
around the clock for a few weeks was ideal. Think of all the idiotic TV
and conversation I avoided! The day I felt strong enough to step
outside, I walked two miles to the library, caught up on periodicals,
and walked back. I wasn't up to par, but I was doing fine.

I experienced no usual symptoms of mono. Maybe my immune system overcame
the virus fast, if not fast enough for my liver. Vitamins A and D are
vital to the immune system. An enlightened diet may have been my
father's disadvantage.

My mother had quit serving liver when I was a teen because medical
fashion said Vitamin A was dangerous. You were supposed to get it from
beta carotene, but medical fashion said to serve vegetables raw or
blanched because cooking destroyed vitamins. Unfortunately, the human
gut can't get much nutrition from vegetables that aren't cooked soft.
You were supposed to get beta carotene in vitamin pills, but medical
fashion said not to eat fat at breakfast. Without fat to trigger the
secretion of bile, beta carotene doesn't become vitamin A.

My father used to love reading shirtless in the sun, but a few years
before his illness, his doctor ordered him to avoid the sun because that
was the latest medical fashion. Medical fashion said to get vitamin D
from vitamin pills, but the usual supplement in pills was more useful to
rats than humans. The supplement usually found in milk was better, but
medical fashion said not to drink much.

When I enlisted, I was glad to get liver again, and I found I loved
vegetables cooked soft. I didn't avoid the sun. (In Vietnam, I got so
much sun that I looked like a gingerbread boy with bleached, curly hair,
not the dark, straight hair I'd had at home. I guess that's how I caught
the eye of the princess.)

Unlike my enlightened parents, I ate dumb, old-fashioned food and
followed a dumb, old-fashioned lifestyle. I figured we dumb people must
have been doing something right because there were lot more of us alive
than there were smart people.

Sixteen years after his time in the iron lung, his doctor ordered him to
avoid dairy products because that was the latest medical fashion. A year
later, he had terminal throat cancer. Fed up with doctors, he declined
treatment because it was known to be useless except of course to bring
in lots of insurance money.

My siblings smugly said it was his own fault for smoking a pipe, which
he'd quit on doctor's orders 20 years earlier. That was medical fashion.
The medical industry ignored the Surgeon General's 1964 report on
smoking. It proved cigarettes killed but noted that pipe smokers lived 3
years longer than men who had never smoked.

His cancer was rare in America but common in China, where so many people
had it and so many smoked that it could be determined that there was no
statistical correlation. That kind of cancer is caused by the EB virus.
In ordering my father to avoid any sun or milk, the doctors crippled his
immune system. The common virus that had once put him in an iron lung,
came back to kill him.

Are you any relation to Paul Harvey?
--
Maggie

On 8/12/15 11:50 PM, Muggles wrote:
Are you any relation to Paul Harvey?

No, but I think I see the connection. He died at a hospital, surrounded
by family and friends, but the cause was never released. ALF? It didn't
occur to the doctor to check for the EB virus? His family didn't want
the public to assume he was a junkie?

On 8/12/2015 10:17 PM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/11/15 4:20 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Sounds like you had a really bad case. The symptoms of mono are many
and varied. Often times the spleen gets enlarged, which if very
dangerous. High, sustained fever is another. Many people get bad cases
of jaundice. As far as I know, there's no real treatment other than to
address what symptoms you present with. I had the swollen spleen, the
jaundice and ran 105 temp for 10 days. It was pretty bad. 2 months
later, I was much better, but was told to tread lightly because I would
be more likely than others to come down with it again.

I'm glad you survived because I know how tough it can be.

I was curious, so I looked it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_liver_failure

If I couldn't get warm in a mummy sleeping bag in a warm room, and I was
very weak, and my eyes were yellow, acute liver failure sounds like a
suitable diagnosis, although I wasn't told it.

It says ACL is the rapid onset of liver dysfunction in a person without
known prior liver disease. It says "hyperacute" occurs within 7 days.
Mine was more like 7 minutes.

When the local doctor saw my yellow eyes, his best bet might have been
acetaminophen overdose. The second might have been reaction to
medication. The third, too much to drink. The usual infectious agents
are Hepatitis A and B, but A comes in epidemics from contaminated food
and water.

That leaves B, transmitted by sharing needles. About 1% if Americans are
infected. Few are treated because only 1% have the potential to cause
ALF. There was a 1 in 10,000 chance that a person would have acute liver
trouble from hepatitis B. The only reason to assume I had hepatitis B
was an assumption that I was a junkie. I'd lived in the community 15
years, and nothing in my behavior suggested that. It had to be because I
was a Vietnam veteran. (A few years later, Johnny Carson made the
serious announcement that he thought it was time for "us" to forgive the
Vietnam veterans.)

snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning things
like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we hear and
read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little real world
facts. That being said, I simply don't think the government should be
telling people what to eat and drink. It's not their business and when
it comes to facts, they aren't exactly on the top of the believable
list, imo.

"SeaNymph" wrote in message ...

On 8/12/2015 10:17 PM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/11/15 4:20 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Sounds like you had a really bad case. The symptoms of mono are many
and varied. Often times the spleen gets enlarged, which if very
dangerous. High, sustained fever is another. Many people get bad cases
of jaundice. As far as I know, there's no real treatment other than to
address what symptoms you present with. I had the swollen spleen, the
jaundice and ran 105 temp for 10 days. It was pretty bad. 2 months
later, I was much better, but was told to tread lightly because I would
be more likely than others to come down with it again.

I'm glad you survived because I know how tough it can be.

I was curious, so I looked it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_liver_failure

If I couldn't get warm in a mummy sleeping bag in a warm room, and I was
very weak, and my eyes were yellow, acute liver failure sounds like a
suitable diagnosis, although I wasn't told it.

It says ACL is the rapid onset of liver dysfunction in a person without
known prior liver disease. It says "hyperacute" occurs within 7 days.
Mine was more like 7 minutes.

When the local doctor saw my yellow eyes, his best bet might have been
acetaminophen overdose. The second might have been reaction to
medication. The third, too much to drink. The usual infectious agents
are Hepatitis A and B, but A comes in epidemics from contaminated food
and water.

That leaves B, transmitted by sharing needles. About 1% if Americans are
infected. Few are treated because only 1% have the potential to cause
ALF. There was a 1 in 10,000 chance that a person would have acute liver
trouble from hepatitis B. The only reason to assume I had hepatitis B
was an assumption that I was a junkie. I'd lived in the community 15
years, and nothing in my behavior suggested that. It had to be because I
was a Vietnam veteran. (A few years later, Johnny Carson made the
serious announcement that he thought it was time for "us" to forgive the
Vietnam veterans.)

snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning things
like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we hear and
read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little real world
facts. That being said, I simply don't think the government should be
telling people what to eat and drink. It's not their business and when
it comes to facts, they aren't exactly on the top of the believable
list, imo.


Your opinion as a woman is noted and discarded.
LOL

On 8/13/15 8:31 AM, SeaNymph wrote:
snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning things
like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we hear and
read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little real world
facts. That being said, I simply don't think the government should be
telling people what to eat and drink. It's not their business and when
it comes to facts, they aren't exactly on the top of the believable
list, imo.

The problem is the research industry. A scientist has to publish or
perish, or, one like Albert Schweitzer may want to publish so the public
will know what he has learned. He has to publish in certain
periodicals. Many times, they won't publish unless they get the copyright.

For practical purposes, that can mean the research is unavailable to the
public. Subscriptions are expensive. If you aren't part of an
organization that can afford subscriptions, and you don't have access to
certain libraries, you may be out of luck. Besides, a corporation or
government who found certain information threatening, could probably
bury the research by buying the copyright. At one time, I think
copyrights expired in 17 years, but now they can be extended for
generations.

Schweitzer published a paper saying he'd treated hundreds of thousands
of Gabonese. Their primitive diet looked unhealthful to civilized
people. Besides, it was a tobacco-growing region, and they smoked so
much that he often treated them for nicotine poisoning. Cancer was
endemic in industrial nations; I think colon cancer was the biggest; yet
Schweitzer reported that he didn't see a single case of cancer for many
years, until they began eating a western diet.

It has been about a century since he published it, but I think it's
still unavailable to the public.

A British doctor began treating Inuits about 1880. They traded for
firearms, ammunition, tobacco, and other items, but stubbornly refused
to buy western food. Their diet included lots of blubber. For fifty
years, he found no cancer and very little heart disease. IIRC, his
first cancer case was in 1930, after they'd finally begun eating food
from industrialized nations.

As of the 1890s, pathologists had been advancing medical science for a
couple of centuries. They'd found infarctions in various organs, but
never a heart. The foremost pathologist in North America published a
paper on the first known heart infarction, in the 1890s, four years
after corn oil came on the market.

I think cottonseed oil came on the market in 1898. The motive was
profit: cottonseed was a byproduct, available for almost nothing.
Hydrogenated cottonseed oil, Crisco, came on the market in 1912, IIRC.
Suddenly there was an epidemic of the strange new disease, the heart
attack. One contemporary writer noted that it happened to people who ate
a lot of pastry.

Cancers increased, especially lung cancer, which had been rare. It
happened to women, too, and they didn't smoke. About 1937, when the
prices of butter and lard jumped, so did sales of vegetable oil and
hydrogenated shortening.

In WWII, Japan cut us off from a traditional saturated cooking oil,
coconut oil. Soy oil took its place. By the end of the war, vegetable
oil was a major, profitable industry. The rates of heart attacks,
cancer, and obesity became alarming and continued to grow.

Now that butter, lard, and coconut oil were again abundant, the
vegetable oil industry set out to discredit them through propaganda from
research not available to the public. They had a scientist try a diet of
fish filets and blubber. I don't think he did it many days. He announced
that his blood analysis showed it was unhealthful.

That was the start of the propaganda that everybody should eat vegetable
oil because saturated fat caused heart attacks. The problem was
malnutrition, like using a diet of bread and water to prove bread was
harmful. Such propaganda worked in a culture where the public accepted
knowing only half truths because of copyrights.

IIRC, it was about 1970 that Harvard Medical School determined that
partially hydrogenated vegetable oil was deadly to the heart. I'm sure
they weren't the first, but when Harvard spoke, people listened. Not in
this case. The vegetable oil industry had lots of money for junk
science and propaganda.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, founded by a
food-industry lobbyist, kept spreading propaganda that the delicious
traditional fats used by restaurants caused disease, while hydrogenated
soy oil was good for you. Eventually, McDonalds caved in and switched
from tallow to hydrogenated soy oil. When governments outlawed it, CSPI
representatives said they were ignorant slobs who didn't know any
better. The Wall Street Journal disagreed.

Obesity? According to the USDA, per capita consumption of all kinds of
food except vegetable oil has remained pretty constant since 1940.

Men began smoking less about 1955. Statistics said an individual's
chance of getting lung cancer declined fairly quickly after quitting,
but the rate among men rose for nearly 40 years as cigarette consumption
declined. It began declining about 1992. Now it's a lot lower, but I
think women's rates have continued to climb. If people who had never
smoked often got lung cancer, that was supposed to be because somebody
else smoked.

The Adkins Diet, advocating more meat and animal fat, became popular in
the early 1990s. Probably more men than women were swayed. Research has
shown that saturated fat protects the lungs. As long as the public were
kept ignorant, the vegetable oil industry could blame cigarettes.

On 8/13/2015 4:05 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/12/15 11:50 PM, Muggles wrote:
Are you any relation to Paul Harvey?

No, but I think I see the connection. He died at a hospital, surrounded
by family and friends, but the cause was never released. ALF? It didn't
occur to the doctor to check for the EB virus? His family didn't want
the public to assume he was a junkie?



I was thinking that you tell a good story like he could tell a good story.

--
Maggie

On 8/13/2015 7:33 AM, Edmund J. Burke wrote:
"SeaNymph" wrote in message ...
On 8/12/2015 10:17 PM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/11/15 4:20 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Sounds like you had a really bad case. The symptoms of mono are many
and varied. Often times the spleen gets enlarged, which if very
dangerous. High, sustained fever is another. Many people get bad cases
of jaundice. As far as I know, there's no real treatment other than to
address what symptoms you present with. I had the swollen spleen, the
jaundice and ran 105 temp for 10 days. It was pretty bad. 2 months
later, I was much better, but was told to tread lightly because I would
be more likely than others to come down with it again.

I'm glad you survived because I know how tough it can be.

I was curious, so I looked it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_liver_failure

If I couldn't get warm in a mummy sleeping bag in a warm room, and I was
very weak, and my eyes were yellow, acute liver failure sounds like a
suitable diagnosis, although I wasn't told it.

It says ACL is the rapid onset of liver dysfunction in a person without
known prior liver disease. It says "hyperacute" occurs within 7 days.
Mine was more like 7 minutes.

When the local doctor saw my yellow eyes, his best bet might have been
acetaminophen overdose. The second might have been reaction to
medication. The third, too much to drink. The usual infectious agents
are Hepatitis A and B, but A comes in epidemics from contaminated food
and water.

That leaves B, transmitted by sharing needles. About 1% if Americans are
infected. Few are treated because only 1% have the potential to cause
ALF. There was a 1 in 10,000 chance that a person would have acute liver
trouble from hepatitis B. The only reason to assume I had hepatitis B
was an assumption that I was a junkie. I'd lived in the community 15
years, and nothing in my behavior suggested that. It had to be because I
was a Vietnam veteran. (A few years later, Johnny Carson made the
serious announcement that he thought it was time for "us" to forgive the
Vietnam veterans.)

snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning things
like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we hear and
read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little real world
facts. That being said, I simply don't think the government should be
telling people what to eat and drink. It's not their business and when
it comes to facts, they aren't exactly on the top of the believable
list, imo.


Your opinion as a woman is noted and discarded.
LOL



Oh...are you yet another neanderthal misogynist?

On 8/13/2015 11:02 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/13/15 8:31 AM, SeaNymph wrote:
snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning things
like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we hear and
read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little real world
facts. That being said, I simply don't think the government should be
telling people what to eat and drink. It's not their business and when
it comes to facts, they aren't exactly on the top of the believable
list, imo.

The problem is the research industry. A scientist has to publish or
perish, or, one like Albert Schweitzer may want to publish so the public
will know what he has learned. He has to publish in certain
periodicals. Many times, they won't publish unless they get the copyright.

For practical purposes, that can mean the research is unavailable to the
public. Subscriptions are expensive. If you aren't part of an
organization that can afford subscriptions, and you don't have access to
certain libraries, you may be out of luck. Besides, a corporation or
government who found certain information threatening, could probably
bury the research by buying the copyright. At one time, I think
copyrights expired in 17 years, but now they can be extended for
generations.

Schweitzer published a paper saying he'd treated hundreds of thousands
of Gabonese. Their primitive diet looked unhealthful to civilized
people. Besides, it was a tobacco-growing region, and they smoked so
much that he often treated them for nicotine poisoning. Cancer was
endemic in industrial nations; I think colon cancer was the biggest; yet
Schweitzer reported that he didn't see a single case of cancer for many
years, until they began eating a western diet.

It has been about a century since he published it, but I think it's
still unavailable to the public.

A British doctor began treating Inuits about 1880. They traded for
firearms, ammunition, tobacco, and other items, but stubbornly refused
to buy western food. Their diet included lots of blubber. For fifty
years, he found no cancer and very little heart disease. IIRC, his
first cancer case was in 1930, after they'd finally begun eating food
from industrialized nations.

As of the 1890s, pathologists had been advancing medical science for a
couple of centuries. They'd found infarctions in various organs, but
never a heart. The foremost pathologist in North America published a
paper on the first known heart infarction, in the 1890s, four years
after corn oil came on the market.

I think cottonseed oil came on the market in 1898. The motive was
profit: cottonseed was a byproduct, available for almost nothing.
Hydrogenated cottonseed oil, Crisco, came on the market in 1912, IIRC.
Suddenly there was an epidemic of the strange new disease, the heart
attack. One contemporary writer noted that it happened to people who ate
a lot of pastry.

Cancers increased, especially lung cancer, which had been rare. It
happened to women, too, and they didn't smoke. About 1937, when the
prices of butter and lard jumped, so did sales of vegetable oil and
hydrogenated shortening.

In WWII, Japan cut us off from a traditional saturated cooking oil,
coconut oil. Soy oil took its place. By the end of the war, vegetable
oil was a major, profitable industry. The rates of heart attacks,
cancer, and obesity became alarming and continued to grow.

Now that butter, lard, and coconut oil were again abundant, the
vegetable oil industry set out to discredit them through propaganda from
research not available to the public. They had a scientist try a diet of
fish filets and blubber. I don't think he did it many days. He announced
that his blood analysis showed it was unhealthful.

That was the start of the propaganda that everybody should eat vegetable
oil because saturated fat caused heart attacks. The problem was
malnutrition, like using a diet of bread and water to prove bread was
harmful. Such propaganda worked in a culture where the public accepted
knowing only half truths because of copyrights.

IIRC, it was about 1970 that Harvard Medical School determined that
partially hydrogenated vegetable oil was deadly to the heart. I'm sure
they weren't the first, but when Harvard spoke, people listened. Not in
this case. The vegetable oil industry had lots of money for junk
science and propaganda.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, founded by a
food-industry lobbyist, kept spreading propaganda that the delicious
traditional fats used by restaurants caused disease, while hydrogenated
soy oil was good for you. Eventually, McDonalds caved in and switched
from tallow to hydrogenated soy oil. When governments outlawed it, CSPI
representatives said they were ignorant slobs who didn't know any
better. The Wall Street Journal disagreed.

Obesity? According to the USDA, per capita consumption of all kinds of
food except vegetable oil has remained pretty constant since 1940.

Men began smoking less about 1955. Statistics said an individual's
chance of getting lung cancer declined fairly quickly after quitting,
but the rate among men rose for nearly 40 years as cigarette consumption
declined. It began declining about 1992. Now it's a lot lower, but I
think women's rates have continued to climb. If people who had never
smoked often got lung cancer, that was supposed to be because somebody
else smoked.

The Adkins Diet, advocating more meat and animal fat, became popular in
the early 1990s. Probably more men than women were swayed. Research has
shown that saturated fat protects the lungs. As long as the public were
kept ignorant, the vegetable oil industry could blame cigarettes.

Frankly, I find it tiresome that politicians seems to believe they know
what's best for people concerning everything from soda to light bulbs. I
think there is so much nonsense out there, that I've pretty much stopped
paying attention to it.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:15:49 -0500
SeaNymph wrote:

On 8/13/2015 11:02 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/13/15 8:31 AM, SeaNymph wrote:
snipped for a bit of brevity

There seems to be a rash of medical reversals lately, concerning
things like milk, sugar, salt, etc. I think that a lot of what we
hear and read is nothing more than fear mongering, based on little
real world facts. That being said, I simply don't think the
government should be telling people what to eat and drink. It's
not their business and when it comes to facts, they aren't exactly
on the top of the believable list, imo.

The problem is the research industry. A scientist has to publish or
perish, or, one like Albert Schweitzer may want to publish so the
public will know what he has learned. He has to publish in certain
periodicals. Many times, they won't publish unless they get the
copyright.

For practical purposes, that can mean the research is unavailable
to the public. Subscriptions are expensive. If you aren't part of
an organization that can afford subscriptions, and you don't have
access to certain libraries, you may be out of luck. Besides, a
corporation or government who found certain information
threatening, could probably bury the research by buying the
copyright. At one time, I think copyrights expired in 17 years, but
now they can be extended for generations.

Schweitzer published a paper saying he'd treated hundreds of
thousands of Gabonese. Their primitive diet looked unhealthful to
civilized people. Besides, it was a tobacco-growing region, and
they smoked so much that he often treated them for nicotine
poisoning. Cancer was endemic in industrial nations; I think colon
cancer was the biggest; yet Schweitzer reported that he didn't see
a single case of cancer for many years, until they began eating a
western diet.

It has been about a century since he published it, but I think it's
still unavailable to the public.

A British doctor began treating Inuits about 1880. They traded for
firearms, ammunition, tobacco, and other items, but stubbornly
refused to buy western food. Their diet included lots of blubber.
For fifty years, he found no cancer and very little heart disease.
IIRC, his first cancer case was in 1930, after they'd finally begun
eating food from industrialized nations.

As of the 1890s, pathologists had been advancing medical science
for a couple of centuries. They'd found infarctions in various
organs, but never a heart. The foremost pathologist in North
America published a paper on the first known heart infarction, in
the 1890s, four years after corn oil came on the market.

I think cottonseed oil came on the market in 1898. The motive was
profit: cottonseed was a byproduct, available for almost nothing.
Hydrogenated cottonseed oil, Crisco, came on the market in 1912,
IIRC. Suddenly there was an epidemic of the strange new disease,
the heart attack. One contemporary writer noted that it happened to
people who ate a lot of pastry.

Cancers increased, especially lung cancer, which had been rare. It
happened to women, too, and they didn't smoke. About 1937, when the
prices of butter and lard jumped, so did sales of vegetable oil and
hydrogenated shortening.

In WWII, Japan cut us off from a traditional saturated cooking oil,
coconut oil. Soy oil took its place. By the end of the war,
vegetable oil was a major, profitable industry. The rates of heart
attacks, cancer, and obesity became alarming and continued to grow.

Now that butter, lard, and coconut oil were again abundant, the
vegetable oil industry set out to discredit them through propaganda
from research not available to the public. They had a scientist try
a diet of fish filets and blubber. I don't think he did it many
days. He announced that his blood analysis showed it was
unhealthful.

That was the start of the propaganda that everybody should eat
vegetable oil because saturated fat caused heart attacks. The
problem was malnutrition, like using a diet of bread and water to
prove bread was harmful. Such propaganda worked in a culture where
the public accepted knowing only half truths because of copyrights.

IIRC, it was about 1970 that Harvard Medical School determined that
partially hydrogenated vegetable oil was deadly to the heart. I'm
sure they weren't the first, but when Harvard spoke, people
listened. Not in this case. The vegetable oil industry had lots
of money for junk science and propaganda.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, founded by a
food-industry lobbyist, kept spreading propaganda that the delicious
traditional fats used by restaurants caused disease, while
hydrogenated soy oil was good for you. Eventually, McDonalds caved
in and switched from tallow to hydrogenated soy oil. When
governments outlawed it, CSPI representatives said they were
ignorant slobs who didn't know any better. The Wall Street Journal
disagreed.

Obesity? According to the USDA, per capita consumption of all kinds
of food except vegetable oil has remained pretty constant since
1940.

Men began smoking less about 1955. Statistics said an individual's
chance of getting lung cancer declined fairly quickly after
quitting, but the rate among men rose for nearly 40 years as
cigarette consumption declined. It began declining about 1992.
Now it's a lot lower, but I think women's rates have continued to
climb. If people who had never smoked often got lung cancer, that
was supposed to be because somebody else smoked.

The Adkins Diet, advocating more meat and animal fat, became
popular in the early 1990s. Probably more men than women were
swayed. Research has shown that saturated fat protects the lungs.
As long as the public were kept ignorant, the vegetable oil
industry could blame cigarettes.

Frankly, I find it tiresome that politicians seems to believe they
know what's best for people concerning everything from soda to light
bulbs. I think there is so much nonsense out there, that I've pretty
much stopped paying attention to it.


What ever the government says is bad for you, immediately go stock up.
If it is food in a few years new studies will show they were wrong.
If it is a light bulb in a few years studies will show the new ones are
poison.

The government has never been correct on any of its doom, death and
destruction predictions.

On 8/13/15 2:15 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Frankly, I find it tiresome that politicians seems to believe they know
what's best for people concerning everything from soda to light bulbs. I
think there is so much nonsense out there, that I've pretty much stopped
paying attention to it.

I'm talking about cynically using invalid research for propaganda.

I think the only place I mentioned politicians was in taking a stand
against trans fatty acids. I'm glad they did.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:08:17 -0400
J Burns wrote:

On 8/13/15 2:15 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Frankly, I find it tiresome that politicians seems to believe they
know what's best for people concerning everything from soda to
light bulbs. I think there is so much nonsense out there, that I've
pretty much stopped paying attention to it.

I'm talking about cynically using invalid research for propaganda.

I think the only place I mentioned politicians was in taking a stand
against trans fatty acids. I'm glad they did.

Why ? You needed someone to tell you not to eat it?
You could not do it on your own?
Because you don't want it, why can't others have it?

On 8/13/15 12:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/13/2015 4:05 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 8/12/15 11:50 PM, Muggles wrote:
Are you any relation to Paul Harvey?

No, but I think I see the connection. He died at a hospital, surrounded
by family and friends, but the cause was never released. ALF? It didn't
occur to the doctor to check for the EB virus? His family didn't want
the public to assume he was a junkie?



I was thinking that you tell a good story like he could tell a good story.

After midnight, February 6, 1951, security guards caught him at Argonne
National Laboratory. He'd gotten in by throwing his overcoat over the
barbed wire at the top of the fence. He ran when he saw jeep headlights,
but he fell and was caught. He was carrying an automatic pistol.

He claimed he'd climbed the fence because he thought it was the airport.
In his Cadillac, they found a four-page manuscript that started, "I
hereby affirm the following is a true and accurate account." It claimed
his car had stalled, and he'd walked through the open gate of the
laboratory by accident because there were no guards.

So his stories were not to be believed. Before committing espionage,
he'd written an alibi to fool his audience. On the radio, he claimed
he'd been set up.

In September, Russia exploded a 38 kiloton atom bomb. In October, they
exploded a 41 kiloton bomb. Harvey faced indictment for espionage. J.
Edgar Hoover contacted him to ask, "Will you be my friend."

Harvey said, "Yes!" He was a friend indeed, frequently making up and
airing tales of Hoover's heroism. Like any close friend, Hoover had the
espionage charges dropped. And there you have the rest of the story.

On 8/13/15 6:13 PM, burfordtjustice wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:08:17 -0400
J Burns wrote:

On 8/13/15 2:15 PM, SeaNymph wrote:

Frankly, I find it tiresome that politicians seems to believe they
know what's best for people concerning everything from soda to
light bulbs. I think there is so much nonsense out there, that I've
pretty much stopped paying attention to it.

I'm talking about cynically using invalid research for propaganda.

I think the only place I mentioned politicians was in taking a stand
against trans fatty acids. I'm glad they did.

Why ? You needed someone to tell you not to eat it?
You could not do it on your own?
Because you don't want it, why can't others have it?

For decades, we'd shown our preference for McDonalds delicious tallow
fries. The CSPI had deprived us of choice. It was bad enough to use
junk science and propaganda to deprive us of our choice, but it was well
established that the junk their propaganda forced McDonalds and other
restaurants to serve unsuspecting diners was toxic. By outlawing it, New
York trumped the "liberal" propaganda and restored to restaurants and
customers the right to use the traditional fats they preferred.

AFAIK, the federal government didn't outlaw trans fatty acids. They
required labeling so a cost-cutting food manufacturer couldn't use that
stuff without letting customers know what they'd be eating.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dq9dxEf2c