Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

he did ok but should of fixed the oil leak too.

this vehicle didnt happen to be a chevy cobalt with bad ignition switch by chance?

incidently will low oil pressure shut off a engine?

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

Let us know when you have the mechanic's report.

"micky" wrote in message
...
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

I think he was a fool for going on that TV show.

bob haller wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting
out, turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

snipperooni

cobalt with bad ignition
switch by chance?

incidently will low oil pressure shut off a engine?


Some models have a cutoff for the fuel pump that will kill the motor if
there's no oil pressure . Had a '78 Pontiac with that feature .
--
Snag

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:28:27 -0700, "taxed and spent"
wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
.. .
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

I think he was a fool for going on that TV show.

Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

incidently will low oil pressure shut off a engine?

Dang right it will. Just image burnt bearings. Metal flying through
the engine block. Ever heard of a "slung piston? Welded piston rings?

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?
Well, being a mechanic, I can say I feel for the guy. If the oil
sender is leaking, and the car is an oil mess, the first thing to do
is replace the sender. When that leak is fixed, and the engine cleaned
up, the leaky oil pan gasket becomes evident.. His only mistake was
not cleaning it up and then driving it enough to determine if the
problem was fixed - and checking for more oil leaks.

However, he has still not determined exactly what is shutting the car
down.

And we don't know the make and model - so cannot even make an educated
guess.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

he did ok but should of fixed the oil leak too.

this vehicle didnt happen to be a chevy cobalt with bad ignition switch by chance?

incidently will low oil pressure shut off a engine?
It will on many Chevies - sure would on a Vega!!! The fuel pump
circuit is fed by the starter switch and the oil ****er switch. It
runs when the engine is cranked, and when the engine has oil pressure.

On 6/16/2015 6:38 PM, micky wrote:


Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

On some, the winner gets whatever is awarded with a $5000 max and the
balance, if any, is split. You can't lose even if you lose.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 6/16/2015 6:38 PM, micky wrote:


Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

On some, the winner gets whatever is awarded with a $5000 max and the
balance, if any, is split. You can't lose even if you lose.


except the whole world gets to see what a chump you are. Better to keep
that more of a secret.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:48:21 -0700, "taxed and spent"
wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 6/16/2015 6:38 PM, micky wrote:


Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

On some, the winner gets whatever is awarded with a $5000 max and the
balance, if any, is split. You can't lose even if you lose.

Yes, and it shows. The losers are never as unhappy as they would be if
they were paying the whole judgment themselves.


except the whole world gets to see what a chump you are. Better to keep
that more of a secret.

That's my plan.

This is what I thought when I saw the tv show.

I'm sure beting without oil pressure will ruin the engine, maybe in less
than 20 seconds, and damage it in less than 10 or 15. But....



They said the make and model, but I only heard the model name and it was
one I had not heard of, and I've forgotten it.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil

Did the engine cut out when it was on the analyser? Probably not.
Sure a lot of things set codes, but not everything. All of the original
codes and all of the codes required by law relate to air pollution
aiui.and few relate to why the engine doesn't run .

pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car.

I can't quite imagine wires saturated enough to short out, and even if
they're covered in oil, I think they should be wiped off.

Was there a harness? I would expect that there was. Then replace the
harness and it's probably pretty clean inside.

If there was no harness, no split tube, one should be put on to keep the
recently wiped wires clean.

He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

Okay. That's fine.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to replace the
gasket".

If one is fixing all the bad things on the car, the gasket needs
replacing, but it's NOT the cause of the engine cutting out.
Especially not if the wires have beem cleaned or replaced.

I dont' think Judge Milyan though of all this but more important to her
was that there was no proof it broke right after the last time the guy
fixed it. The plaintiff said it got towed the next day but had no bill
or anything. So the plaintiff got nothing.

He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

Well Gents I have seen the same show, My point of view that Mechanic
should not taking Job like that, he should have advised costumer that car is
old
and could have multitude of problems as it happen to be. On other hand old
cars
you can fix one item and next item could fail with in seconds of first one
being fix.
I am not car Mechanic but I did work on my own vehicles, I have log over
Million
miles and experience many different problems that some never was diagnosed
but had remain history. Solution was for some people replacing complete new
motor by factory.
Some people by junk and expect to make it new with few buck I know that
because I was
Victim of scum bag on Long Island NY 300 k. Item expect to fixit for couple
Hundred.


"micky" wrote in message ...

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

micky posted for all of us...


The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?


It sounds like you were the "mechanic" Did the vehicle have a bathtub?

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

micky posted for all of us...



On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:28:27 -0700, "taxed and spent"
wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
.. .
Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

I think he was a fool for going on that TV show.

Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

If you listened or did ANY kind of research you would know they have a fixed
amount say $5000 that the plaintiff (you) and the defendant would split.
Part of the split would be the winner of the suit deducts his winnings from
the loser.

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

taxed and spent posted for all of us...



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 6/16/2015 6:38 PM, micky wrote:


Yeah, a lot of people make fools of themselves that way. I wish I
knew how much they paid.

On some, the winner gets whatever is awarded with a $5000 max and the
balance, if any, is split. You can't lose even if you lose.


except the whole world gets to see what a chump you are. Better to keep
that more of a secret.

WE already know what mickey is...

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

posted for all of us...



On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil
pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car. He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to r eplace the
gasket". He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?
Well, being a mechanic, I can say I feel for the guy. If the oil
sender is leaking, and the car is an oil mess, the first thing to do
is replace the sender. When that leak is fixed, and the engine cleaned
up, the leaky oil pan gasket becomes evident.. His only mistake was
not cleaning it up and then driving it enough to determine if the
problem was fixed - and checking for more oil leaks.

However, he has still not determined exactly what is shutting the car
down.

And we don't know the make and model - so cannot even make an educated
guess.

RIGHT! Prescription without diagnoses is malpractice.

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
This is what I thought when I saw the tv show.

I'm sure beting without oil pressure will ruin the engine, maybe in less
than 20 seconds, and damage it in less than 10 or 15. But....



They said the make and model, but I only heard the model name and it was
one I had not heard of, and I've forgotten it.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil

Did the engine cut out when it was on the analyser? Probably not.
Sure a lot of things set codes, but not everything. All of the original
codes and all of the codes required by law relate to air pollution
aiui.and few relate to why the engine doesn't run .


Not true. There is a wealth of code information beyond the
basic codes that you can read out with a basic, cheap, handheld
code reader. I have software that is PC based for BMW. It
will tell you if there is an occasional misfire on cylinder 3,
if the radiator fan is working, if the coolant temp has been
running too low, etc. For sure if a low oil pressure situation
caused the engine to be shut down, the computer would have
that information. And it wouldn't even require the car to be
started to read it out.




pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car.

I can't quite imagine wires saturated enough to short out, and even if
they're covered in oil, I think they should be wiped off.


I've never seen oil on wires being a problem either. Insulation
on those wires is almost certainly not susceptible to oil.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
This is what I thought when I saw the tv show.

I'm sure beting without oil pressure will ruin the engine, maybe in less
than 20 seconds, and damage it in less than 10 or 15. But....



They said the make and model, but I only heard the model name and it was
one I had not heard of, and I've forgotten it.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil

Did the engine cut out when it was on the analyser? Probably not.
Sure a lot of things set codes, but not everything. All of the original
codes and all of the codes required by law relate to air pollution
aiui.and few relate to why the engine doesn't run .


Not true. There is a wealth of code information beyond the

Yes, I phrased that badly.

basic codes that you can read out with a basic, cheap, handheld
code reader. I have software that is PC based for BMW. It
will tell you if there is an occasional misfire on cylinder 3,
if the radiator fan is working, if the coolant temp has been
running too low, etc. For sure if a low oil pressure situation
caused the engine to be shut down, the computer would have
that information. And it wouldn't even require the car to be
started to read it out..




pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car.

I can't quite imagine wires saturated enough to short out, and even if
they're covered in oil, I think they should be wiped off.


I've never seen oil on wires being a problem either. Insulation
on those wires is almost certainly not susceptible to oil.

That was the first thing the "mechanic" said and it made me very
suspicious of him. Some cars have oll all over the place, especially
underneath, and they still work fine.

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?

Let us know when you have the mechanic's report.



Must be quite old car, otherwise OBD II code will give a
pointer.

I drove one car at least 2 miles with no oil in it and it caused no
problems. Shop forgot to put oil in for an oil change. Lifters
started clattering a mile out so I called them and they said just to
drive it back. This happened when the car had perhaps 50K miles on it
and it was still running fine, not burning a drop of oil, when it was
sold at 110K. Perhaps some cars would be more sensitive to lack of
oil....


On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:01:28 -0400, micky
wrote:


This is what I thought when I saw the tv show.

I'm sure beting without oil pressure will ruin the engine, maybe in less
than 20 seconds, and damage it in less than 10 or 15. But....



They said the make and model, but I only heard the model name and it was
one I had not heard of, and I've forgotten it.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:10:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

Please comment when anything seems worth commenting on.

A plaintiff on a tv court show complains that her car keeps cutting out,
turning off without being told to, and she takes it to a garage.

He puts it on the electronic whatever, and there is a code for the oil

Did the engine cut out when it was on the analyser? Probably not.
Sure a lot of things set codes, but not everything. All of the original
codes and all of the codes required by law relate to air pollution
aiui.and few relate to why the engine doesn't run .

pressure or the oil pressure switch. He looks and notes that wires
going by the oil pan are saturated in oil, so he replaces them and gives
her back the car.

I can't quite imagine wires saturated enough to short out, and even if
they're covered in oil, I think they should be wiped off.

Was there a harness? I would expect that there was. Then replace the
harness and it's probably pretty clean inside.

If there was no harness, no split tube, one should be put on to keep the
recently wiped wires clean.

He also replaces the oil pressure sending switch,
either during the first visit or after she brings the car back.

Okay. That's fine.

She brings the car back within a day. and the respondent says, "The oil
pan gasket was leakiing and obviously it was necessary to replace the
gasket".

If one is fixing all the bad things on the car, the gasket needs
replacing, but it's NOT the cause of the engine cutting out.
Especially not if the wires have beem cleaned or replaced.

I dont' think Judge Milyan though of all this but more important to her
was that there was no proof it broke right after the last time the guy
fixed it. The plaintiff said it got towed the next day but had no bill
or anything. So the plaintiff got nothing.

He doe that and returns the car, but it cuts out even before
she gets home.

The rest of the story is complicated and a distraction but what do you
think of the mechanic so far?