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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
I'm fed up w/ the old mechanical regulator...it was overcharging to the
point of boiling battery dry, have adjusted it about a half-dozen times and it's either too hot or now not charging fully-enough. I had found a replacement SS regulator some months ago but now for the life of me can't seem to locate it. Seems like several of the parts places had it but none of the links in my history seem to find it now and I can't recall the manufacturer (was 3rd party, not OEM) and my searches are also coming up empty... Seems like there was a 'V' in the manufacturer's name but that may be false... Anyway, anybody know of which speaketh and can point me at 'em? -- |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... I'm fed up w/ the old mechanical regulator...it was overcharging to the point of boiling battery dry, have adjusted it about a half-dozen times and it's either too hot or now not charging fully-enough. I had found a replacement SS regulator some months ago but now for the life of me can't seem to locate it. Seems like several of the parts places had it but none of the links in my history seem to find it now and I can't recall the manufacturer (was 3rd party, not OEM) and my searches are also coming up empty... Seems like there was a 'V' in the manufacturer's name but that may be false... Anyway, anybody know of which speaketh and can point me at 'em? -- I get a bunch of hits searching for "solid state automobile generator voltage regulator", but I don't want to research further. |
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On 6/10/15 12:55 PM, dpb wrote:
I'm fed up w/ the old mechanical regulator...it was overcharging to the point of boiling battery dry, have adjusted it about a half-dozen times and it's either too hot or now not charging fully-enough. I had found a replacement SS regulator some months ago but now for the life of me can't seem to locate it. Seems like several of the parts places had it but none of the links in my history seem to find it now and I can't recall the manufacturer (was 3rd party, not OEM) and my searches are also coming up empty... Seems like there was a 'V' in the manufacturer's name but that may be false... Anyway, anybody know of which speaketh and can point me at 'em? -- well, here is one possibility: http://www.qualitypowerauto.com/item...Regulators.htm |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On 06/10/2015 4:29 PM, Retired wrote:
On 6/10/15 12:55 PM, dpb wrote: I'm fed up w/ the old mechanical regulator...it was overcharging to the point of boiling battery dry, have adjusted it about a half-dozen times and it's either too hot or now not charging fully-enough. I had found a replacement SS regulator some months ago but now for the life of me can't seem to locate it. Seems like several of the parts places had it but none of the links in my history seem to find it now and I can't recall the manufacturer (was 3rd party, not OEM) and my searches are also coming up empty... Seems like there was a 'V' in the manufacturer's name but that may be false... Anyway, anybody know of which speaketh and can point me at 'em? -- well, here is one possibility: http://www.qualitypowerauto.com/item...Regulators.htm Hmmmm....hadn't seen that previously. Looks like it's work but they're surely proud of 'em. The one I had seen a while back were 3rd party and about a third that... I still can't find that -- I spent about an hour yesterday going thru my browser history trying to find a link but no joy... I did find another full Delco nomograph on the mechanicals and detailed adjustment procedures--mayhaps I'll try again that route. -- |
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:48:16 -0500, dpb wrote:
I still can't find that -- I spent about an hour yesterday going thru my browser history trying to find a link but no joy... Click the Windows task bar globe, search by key words - it is much faster for me with all the links I have. |
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On 06/10/2015 7:01 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:48:16 -0500, wrote: I still can't find that -- I spent about an hour yesterday going thru my browser history trying to find a link but no joy... Click the Windows task bar globe, search by key words - it is much faster for me with all the links I have. Well, doh!  I did search for "regulator" in the history window and voila!!! found it... It was a Wells VR-715 (w/ a Duralast duplicate available from AutoZone amongst other places) had first seen recommended in an old Chevy chat group... I could remember there being the "V" but not enough else and it doesn't cross-list with anything else in searching the various parts sites against the older Chevy and couldn't remember enough else... -- |
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 08:44:36 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/10/2015 7:01 PM, Oren wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:48:16 -0500, wrote: I still can't find that -- I spent about an hour yesterday going thru my browser history trying to find a link but no joy... Click the Windows task bar globe, search by key words - it is much faster for me with all the links I have. Well, doh! I did search for "regulator" in the history window and voila!!! found it... Shazam! I have 1,048 Files, 46 Folders in my Favorites folder. Tried to keep it organized but can slip now and then. It may day a couple of searches - but not hours It was a Wells VR-715 (w/ a Duralast duplicate available from AutoZone amongst other places) had first seen recommended in an old Chevy chat group... I could remember there being the "V" but not enough else and it doesn't cross-list with anything else in searching the various parts sites against the older Chevy and couldn't remember enough else... Post the link? |
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On 06/11/2015 9:15 AM, Oren wrote:
.... It was a Wells VR-715 (w/ a Duralast duplicate available from AutoZone amongst other places) had first seen recommended in an old Chevy chat group... I could remember there being the "V" but not enough else and it doesn't cross-list with anything else in searching the various parts sites against the older Chevy and couldn't remember enough else... Post the link? A distributor link... http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/054190-wells-manufacturing-voltage-regulator.html Unfortunately, looking in more detail at the Wells site http://www.wellsve.com/parts/ it appears the info at the other site was incomplete--those are alternator-equipped vehicles were talking about whereas this is an old generator system so this 'un won't work as a drop-in replacement for the purpose after all... I did some looking on the site by vehicle cross match and they've got one compatible listed but looks to me like it's also mechanical. I've got a query in to check... The previous Delco link may be the choice or continue futzing with the one have...the truck doesn't get used much; it's too small and old for real harvest any more but use it a the seed tender during planting and for various chores around the place. Hence it doesn't get much use for extended running times and having trouble getting it to charge adequately to keep battery fully charged without going the other extreme and boiling the battery over which has made a mess that's tough to get cleaned up. Have finally gotten that pretty well under control but it's just annoying to have to keep adding additional charging when using the truck for stuff like cleaning up around the place where it gets started/stopped so frequently rather than keep running for long period... -- -- |
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:54:27 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/11/2015 9:15 AM, Oren wrote: ... It was a Wells VR-715 (w/ a Duralast duplicate available from AutoZone amongst other places) had first seen recommended in an old Chevy chat group... I could remember there being the "V" but not enough else and it doesn't cross-list with anything else in searching the various parts sites against the older Chevy and couldn't remember enough else... Post the link? A distributor link... http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/054190-wells-manufacturing-voltage-regulator.html Unfortunately, looking in more detail at the Wells site http://www.wellsve.com/parts/ it appears the info at the other site was incomplete--those are alternator-equipped vehicles were talking about whereas this is an old generator system so this 'un won't work as a drop-in replacement for the purpose after all... I did some looking on the site by vehicle cross match and they've got one compatible listed but looks to me like it's also mechanical. I've got a query in to check... The previous Delco link may be the choice or continue futzing with the one have...the truck doesn't get used much; it's too small and old for real harvest any more but use it a the seed tender during planting and for various chores around the place. Hence it doesn't get much use for extended running times and having trouble getting it to charge adequately to keep battery fully charged without going the other extreme and boiling the battery over which has made a mess that's tough to get cleaned up. Have finally gotten that pretty well under control but it's just annoying to have to keep adding additional charging when using the truck for stuff like cleaning up around the place where it gets started/stopped so frequently rather than keep running for long period... -- Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. |
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On 06/11/2015 9:54 AM, dpb wrote:
.... Unfortunately, looking in more detail at the Wells site http://www.wellsve.com/parts/ it appears the info at the other site was incomplete--those are alternator-equipped vehicles were talking about whereas this is an old generator system so this 'un won't work as a drop-in replacement for the purpose after all... I did some looking on the site by vehicle cross match and they've got one compatible listed but looks to me like it's also mechanical. I've got a query in to check... .... Just heard back from WVE; they indeed have only mechanical-styles for said generator system. So, it's back to the needle-nose and the Delco service bulletin before anything else for at least one more adjusting/trial session -- -- |
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. And the brackets from the V8 you get the delcotron off of should fit the 283 or 327 in the truck |
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On 06/12/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, wrote: On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. There may not be any for generators owing to such small market share...I had made a presumption that appears to have been in error that the relics under discussion in the Chevy group that I had come across were indeed of sufficient vintage to have been generator-supplied originally. Turns out they were more recent than that and were speaking of alternator systems. I've forgotten just when the transition became essentially universal...early 70s/late 60s maybe? That's a detail I don't recall on the '69 Charger now... -- |
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:46 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/12/2015 7:48 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, wrote: On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. There may not be any for generators owing to such small market share...I had made a presumption that appears to have been in error that the relics under discussion in the Chevy group that I had come across were indeed of sufficient vintage to have been generator-supplied originally. Turns out they were more recent than that and were speaking of alternator systems. I've forgotten just when the transition became essentially universal...early 70s/late 60s maybe? That's a detail I don't recall on the '69 Charger now... The problem with a generator is you need a 3 unit regulator. You need to limit maximum charging voltage, limit maximum charging current, and prevent backflow through the generator from the battery (motoring the generator and killing the battery) Alternators started becoming mainstream about 1961/1962 They still used electromechanical rewgulators untill somehere around the mid eighties on some vehicles, but elrctronics were making good inroads by the early-mid seventies. |
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On 06/13/2015 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:46 -0500, wrote: On 06/12/2015 7:48 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, wrote: On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. There may not be any for generators owing to such small market share...I had made a presumption that appears to have been in error that the relics under discussion in the Chevy group that I had come across were indeed of sufficient vintage to have been generator-supplied originally. Turns out they were more recent than that and were speaking of alternator systems. I've forgotten just when the transition became essentially universal...early 70s/late 60s maybe? That's a detail I don't recall on the '69 Charger now... The problem with a generator is you need a 3 unit regulator. You need to limit maximum charging voltage, limit maximum charging current, and prevent backflow through the generator from the battery (motoring the generator and killing the battery) Yes... Alternators started becoming mainstream about 1961/1962 They still used electromechanical rewgulators untill somehere around the mid eighties on some vehicles, but elrctronics were making good inroads by the early-mid seventies. Well, I got the beastie out today and spent some time readjusting per the expanded Delco service bulletin. Looks like I had left it a little low on voltage but had current down to where it wasn't overcharging and boiling water out that was wreaking having on the body parts needless to say. We'll give it some time now and see if it does get to and keep at full charge with the occasional use now. It's a pita to adjust which is why had thought about replacing it if could find a suitable substitute as you can't monitor the voltage/current w/o the cover on because it changes the field around the regulating coils which changes the output and you can't keep the cover on while the engine is running w/o the screws and you can't make any adjustment except by the tweaking of the spring clip ends plus by modifying either coil (voltage/current limiter) one affects the other...and it doesn't help that the reach over the fender to get to the regulator on the firewall with the high chassis just _kills_ my old back to stay there any length of time...  -- |
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dpb wrote:
On 06/13/2015 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:46 -0500, wrote: On 06/12/2015 7:48 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, wrote: On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. There may not be any for generators owing to such small market share...I had made a presumption that appears to have been in error that the relics under discussion in the Chevy group that I had come across were indeed of sufficient vintage to have been generator-supplied originally. Turns out they were more recent than that and were speaking of alternator systems. I've forgotten just when the transition became essentially universal...early 70s/late 60s maybe? That's a detail I don't recall on the '69 Charger now... The problem with a generator is you need a 3 unit regulator. You need to limit maximum charging voltage, limit maximum charging current, and prevent backflow through the generator from the battery (motoring the generator and killing the battery) Yes... Alternators started becoming mainstream about 1961/1962 They still used electromechanical rewgulators untill somehere around the mid eighties on some vehicles, but elrctronics were making good inroads by the early-mid seventies. Well, I got the beastie out today and spent some time readjusting per the expanded Delco service bulletin. Looks like I had left it a little low on voltage but had current down to where it wasn't overcharging and boiling water out that was wreaking having on the body parts needless to say. We'll give it some time now and see if it does get to and keep at full charge with the occasional use now. It's a pita to adjust which is why had thought about replacing it if could find a suitable substitute as you can't monitor the voltage/current w/o the cover on because it changes the field around the regulating coils which changes the output and you can't keep the cover on while the engine is running w/o the screws and you can't make any adjustment except by the tweaking of the spring clip ends plus by modifying either coil (voltage/current limiter) one affects the other...and it doesn't help that the reach over the fender to get to the regulator on the firewall with the high chassis just _kills_ my old back to stay there any length of time... -- Your adjustment depends on engine RPM too. Time is money, how much time are you going to spend(waste) B4 deciding to upgrade to alternator. |
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On 06/13/2015 4:50 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
.... Your adjustment depends on engine RPM too. Time is money, how much time are you going to spend(waste) B4 deciding to upgrade to alternator. Actually at the Delco-specified generator RPM...that's easy to do with a manual throttle (see, old vehicles _do_ have advantages ).As far as the money goes, at the moment time is no problem...when harvest gets here, that'll be something different, but for now planting's done, we got another 3" rain night before last and it's a lull. I have no intention of spending amount of money at all; it is, after all, not a mission-critical piece of equipment except during planting and it is still functional as is; just when have been using it as recently while cleaning tumbleweeds from the cedar windbreaks it gets started very frequently and run only very short periods before shut off again so was having to put the charger on it occasionally. The idea is to avoid needing to do that, but if'en it doesn't happen, it's still ok. When used even as the seed tender it gets enough miles between starts it doesn't have the issue... -- |
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dpb wrote:
On 06/13/2015 4:50 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: ... Your adjustment depends on engine RPM too. Time is money, how much time are you going to spend(waste) B4 deciding to upgrade to alternator. Actually at the Delco-specified generator RPM...that's easy to do with a manual throttle (see, old vehicles _do_ have advantages ).As far as the money goes, at the moment time is no problem...when harvest gets here, that'll be something different, but for now planting's done, we got another 3" rain night before last and it's a lull. I have no intention of spending amount of money at all; it is, after all, not a mission-critical piece of equipment except during planting and it is still functional as is; just when have been using it as recently while cleaning tumbleweeds from the cedar windbreaks it gets started very frequently and run only very short periods before shut off again so was having to put the charger on it occasionally. The idea is to avoid needing to do that, but if'en it doesn't happen, it's still ok. When used even as the seed tender it gets enough miles between starts it doesn't have the issue... -- Then consider this, maybe the regulator in the truck is too old causing repeated adjusttment. Trying a brand new unit is an idea. |
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On 06/13/2015 5:51 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
.... Then consider this, maybe the regulator in the truck is too old causing repeated adjusttment. Trying a brand new unit is an idea. As stated earlier albeit I'm sure not in the very first posting, I've replaced it twice; both have had the same symptoms...one was 3rd party (NAPA) the latter is a gen-u-wine Delco of only a few seasons age, but I don't recall exactly. That symptom was the overcharging drastically and thus boiling battery over. It apparently had been having such an issue for a while for Dad even before we returned to the farm by the indications on the inner fender. Thus it, as opposed to the overall truck, is almost brand new. I think it rather remarkable that while it could use a new cam and rings, it still runs reasonably well and burns no oil to speak of after almost 60 years and it has never had a wrench to it. Other than plugs and points/condensor and a new coil, it's needed no engine maintenance at all. I did have the brakes rebuilt and replaced the master cylinder and vacuum booster after coming back; Dad, I guess, figured he'd not last long enough and so had been driving it without brake one for at least a couple of years... (That really isn't that tough out here where it's flat and with the 2-speed axle with a little planning ahead it's no big deal. Don't suggest it w/ a 400 bu load of wheat heading to town or on the highway, but around the place one really doesn't have much real need. But, the fella in town who did a lot of that kind of work told me he was going to retire a year or so after we came back so I had him do them before he quit. There are quite a number of these old farm trucks still in use the way this one is out here; it doesn't make sense to use a big tandem for a seed tender and they're too small to be practical for harvest any more with the bigger machines that have a bin capacity perhaps 2X what this will hold but a new one is $50K w/ bin, lift, tarp, etc. If you've got an old grain truck already it just makes sense to keep it going for the purpose. As an aside, Dad bought this new for wheat harvest in '58; first really good crop we had had in seven or eight years after the drought of the early 50s (much like the 30s and the cycle we've been suffering under the last 4 years again until it finally started raining in early May this year. We can only hope it doesn't turn off and go another six months and two years or more but stays at least near normal levels. Of course, that's only about 18"/year so when it gets much below that, stuff begins to hurt pretty quickly. -- |
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dpb wrote:
On 06/13/2015 5:51 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: ... Then consider this, maybe the regulator in the truck is too old causing repeated adjusttment. Trying a brand new unit is an idea. As stated earlier albeit I'm sure not in the very first posting, I've replaced it twice; both have had the same symptoms...one was 3rd party (NAPA) the latter is a gen-u-wine Delco of only a few seasons age, but I don't recall exactly. That symptom was the overcharging drastically and thus boiling battery over. It apparently had been having such an issue for a while for Dad even before we returned to the farm by the indications on the inner fender. Thus it, as opposed to the overall truck, is almost brand new. I think it rather remarkable that while it could use a new cam and rings, it still runs reasonably well and burns no oil to speak of after almost 60 years and it has never had a wrench to it. Other than plugs and points/condensor and a new coil, it's needed no engine maintenance at all. I did have the brakes rebuilt and replaced the master cylinder and vacuum booster after coming back; Dad, I guess, figured he'd not last long enough and so had been driving it without brake one for at least a couple of years... (That really isn't that tough out here where it'sflat and with the 2-speed axle with a little planning ahead it's no big deal. Don't suggest it w/ a 400 bu load of wheat heading to town or on the highway, but around the place one really doesn't have much real need. But, the fella in town who did a lot of that kind of work told me he was going to retire a year or so after we came back so I had him do them before he quit. There are quite a number of these old farm trucks still in use the way this one is out here; it doesn't make sense to use a big tandem for a seed tender and they're too small to be practical for harvest any more with the bigger machines that have a bin capacity perhaps 2X what this will hold but a new one is $50K w/ bin, lift, tarp, etc. If you've got an old grain truck already it just makes sense to keep it going for the purpose. As an aside, Dad bought this new for wheat harvest in '58; first really good crop we had had in seven or eight years after the drought of the early 50s (much like the 30s and the cycle we've been suffering under the last 4 years again until it finally started raining in early May this year. We can only hope it doesn't turn off and go another six months and two years or more but stays at least near normal levels. Of course, that's only about 18"/year so when it gets much below that, stuff begins to hurt pretty quickly. -- Another very basic thing, electrical system needs good grounding overall. Long time aog I experience total electrical failure buring out every thing on a car due to poor ground. By the time I found it damage was already done. Lots of fun replacing all burnt out bulbs... |
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dpb wrote:
On 06/11/2015 9:54 AM, dpb wrote: ... Unfortunately, looking in more detail at the Wells site http://www.wellsve.com/parts/ it appears the info at the other site was incomplete--those are alternator-equipped vehicles were talking about whereas this is an old generator system so this 'un won't work as a drop-in replacement for the purpose after all... I did some looking on the site by vehicle cross match and they've got one compatible listed but looks to me like it's also mechanical. I've got a query in to check... ... Just heard back from WVE; they indeed have only mechanical-styles for said generator system. So, it's back to the needle-nose and the Delco service bulletin before anything else for at least one more adjusting/trial session -- -- Did you check the good grounding for the electrical system? |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:33:52 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/13/2015 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:46 -0500, wrote: On 06/12/2015 7:48 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:28:51 -0500, wrote: On 06/11/2015 10:06 PM, wrote: ...[big snip]... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. Could but seems like a larger cash outlay than needed by quite a bit... A used delcotron will cost you less than a new electronic regulator - IF you can find one. There may not be any for generators owing to such small market share...I had made a presumption that appears to have been in error that the relics under discussion in the Chevy group that I had come across were indeed of sufficient vintage to have been generator-supplied originally. Turns out they were more recent than that and were speaking of alternator systems. I've forgotten just when the transition became essentially universal...early 70s/late 60s maybe? That's a detail I don't recall on the '69 Charger now... The problem with a generator is you need a 3 unit regulator. You need to limit maximum charging voltage, limit maximum charging current, and prevent backflow through the generator from the battery (motoring the generator and killing the battery) Yes... Alternators started becoming mainstream about 1961/1962 They still used electromechanical rewgulators untill somehere around the mid eighties on some vehicles, but elrctronics were making good inroads by the early-mid seventies. Well, I got the beastie out today and spent some time readjusting per the expanded Delco service bulletin. Looks like I had left it a little low on voltage but had current down to where it wasn't overcharging and boiling water out that was wreaking having on the body parts needless to say. We'll give it some time now and see if it does get to and keep at full charge with the occasional use now. It's a pita to adjust which is why had thought about replacing it if could find a suitable substitute as you can't monitor the voltage/current w/o the cover on because it changes the field around the regulating coils which changes the output and you can't keep the cover on while the engine is running w/o the screws and you can't make any adjustment except by the tweaking of the spring clip ends plus by modifying either coil (voltage/current limiter) one affects the other...and it doesn't help that the reach over the fender to get to the regulator on the firewall with the high chassis just _kills_ my old back to stay there any length of time... There WERE externally adjustable mechanical regulators made for Delco generators -I believe by Leece Neville??? Can't find a reference now - but another possible alternative is to use a 68-80 chrysler electronic regulator to control the voltage, keeping the original unit in place to control maximum charging current and cutout functionality. It would require modifying the original. There were electronic adjustable regulators made for the Mopar, for sure. Again, whther you can find one is a different story. The cutout capability CAN be provided by a low leakage high current diode, but running without the current regulator could proove problematic. An alternator is self regulating in the current department, but an generator is not. |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:51:19 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote: dpb wrote: On 06/13/2015 4:50 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: ... Your adjustment depends on engine RPM too. Time is money, how much time are you going to spend(waste) B4 deciding to upgrade to alternator. Actually at the Delco-specified generator RPM...that's easy to do with a manual throttle (see, old vehicles _do_ have advantages ).As far as the money goes, at the moment time is no problem...when harvest gets here, that'll be something different, but for now planting's done, we got another 3" rain night before last and it's a lull. I have no intention of spending amount of money at all; it is, after all, not a mission-critical piece of equipment except during planting and it is still functional as is; just when have been using it as recently while cleaning tumbleweeds from the cedar windbreaks it gets started very frequently and run only very short periods before shut off again so was having to put the charger on it occasionally. The idea is to avoid needing to do that, but if'en it doesn't happen, it's still ok. When used even as the seed tender it gets enough miles between starts it doesn't have the issue... -- Then consider this, maybe the regulator in the truck is too old causing repeated adjusttment. Trying a brand new unit is an idea. The operating tegime is NOY optimal for a generator - an alternator would do a MUCH better job as it charges more at low speeds so would charge the battery more quickly and more fully than even a totally adequately set up generator (which is one reason alternators took over so completely) |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:06:06 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote: dpb wrote: On 06/11/2015 9:54 AM, dpb wrote: ... Unfortunately, looking in more detail at the Wells site http://www.wellsve.com/parts/ it appears the info at the other site was incomplete--those are alternator-equipped vehicles were talking about whereas this is an old generator system so this 'un won't work as a drop-in replacement for the purpose after all... I did some looking on the site by vehicle cross match and they've got one compatible listed but looks to me like it's also mechanical. I've got a query in to check... ... Just heard back from WVE; they indeed have only mechanical-styles for said generator system. So, it's back to the needle-nose and the Delco service bulletin before anything else for at least one more adjusting/trial session -- -- Did you check the good grounding for the electrical system? Particularly for the regulator - any voltage drop on the regulator ground WILL raise the charging voltage. |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:01:36 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/13/2015 10:38 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:33:52 -0500, wrote: ... We'll give it some time now and see if it does get to and keep at full charge with the occasional use now. It's a pita to adjust which is why had thought about replacing it if could find a suitable substitute as you can't monitor the voltage/current w/o the cover on because it changes the field around the regulating coils which changes the output and you can't keep the cover on while the engine is running w/o the screws and you can't make any adjustment except by the tweaking of the spring clip ends plus by modifying either coil (voltage/current limiter) one affects the other...and it doesn't help that the reach over the fender to get to the regulator on the firewall with the high chassis just _kills_ my old back to stay there any length of time... There WERE externally adjustable mechanical regulators made for Delco generators -I believe by Leece Neville??? Can't find a reference now - but another possible alternative is to use a 68-80 chrysler electronic regulator to control the voltage, keeping the original unit in place to control maximum charging current and cutout functionality. It would require modifying the original. There were electronic adjustable regulators made for the Mopar, for sure. Again, whther you can find one is a different story. ... I know I've seen some with screw adjustments; don't recall ever seen one externally adjustable. I had done some looking for the screw-adjusting style before (in fact it was during that search I came across the vintage Chevy site that mentioned the solid-state replacement that got me sidetracked thinking they were actually talking of vintage-vintage, not muscle-car vintage) but didn't come across it. As you say, you _could_ do a lot of things regarding hybridizing; I've thought about that a little but probably would end up just converting to an alternator instead. But, it seems like it ought to be solvable problem; after all, it went most of 60 years before the issue cropped up... On the other subthread; I'd worked on the ground location some time back when replaced the regulator the first time and it seemed pretty clean then although I "shined up" the base there and the main battery ground when I replaced the battery with a slightly higher capacity one hoping to minimize the boilout effects. It's pretty dry here so I don't suspect it's corroded much at all since but it's pretty easy to double check--at least that connection is pretty accessible location but I hadn't other than a visual to ensure the battery corrosion stuff hadn't reappeared (it hasn't, I seem to have _finally_ stopped the cancer there; that's a real battle once one has an outbreak on any vehicle). So, any way, no we're in a "wait and watch" cycle for a while to see how it performs with this setting...judging by ammeter acting, I think I did help; it's showing more charging at idle than before but still not pegging at high rev after a few cranking cycles and see no bubbles/drips that are the telltale of excessive overcharging rate... Finding the better/more comprehensive Delco bulletin w/ the specific load resistor and sequence makes it a little easier to know what one's shooting for; the sheet I had before was also Delco but kinda' a generic process rather than an actual detailed procedure so I was kinda' wingin' it on what the target numbers were. And, I had been lazy figuring that the cover-off would be "good enough" instead of going thru the grief of replacing it every time made a tweak. If you can get one with theinternal screw adjustment instead of having to bend tabs, you could drill a spare cover to provide screw access for adjustment purposes, and replace with the sealed cover when finished, or install rubber plugs to seal the drilled cover (which is basically what the "externally adjustable" units were.) |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On 06/18/2015 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
posted for all of us... .... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. +1 Got one to donate to a good cause? -- |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:49:23 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/18/2015 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: posted for all of us... ... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. +1 Got one to donate to a good cause? You'll pay the shipping from Central Ontario, Canada?? |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On 06/18/2015 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:49:23 -0500, wrote: On 06/18/2015 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: posted for all of us... ... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. +1 Got one to donate to a good cause? You'll pay the shipping from Central Ontario, Canada?? Might, depending...probably still quite a lot cheaper than could do locally (altho I haven't actually tried as yet; you recall the "issues" with local so-called salvage/used parts place I outlined earlier). BTW, this is a 283 if you have ready access for supply w/ a mounting to keep pulley in plane... -- |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 07:51:02 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 06/18/2015 8:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:49:23 -0500, wrote: On 06/18/2015 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: posted for all of us... ... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. +1 Got one to donate to a good cause? You'll pay the shipping from Central Ontario, Canada?? Might, depending...probably still quite a lot cheaper than could do locally (altho I haven't actually tried as yet; you recall the "issues" with local so-called salvage/used parts place I outlined earlier). BTW, this is a 283 if you have ready access for supply w/ a mounting to keep pulley in plane... Depends which water pump and pulleys you have but a 327 or even a 307 bracket should fit without a problem.. I know a lot of guys put alternators on their old 283 and 327 engines..Making a bracket isn't terribly difficult either. I checked - I don't have any delcotrons around any more. |
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Solid state replacement regulator for '58 Chevy C60
On 06/19/2015 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 07:51:02 -0500, wrote: On 06/18/2015 8:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:49:23 -0500, wrote: On 06/18/2015 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: posted for all of us... ... Just throw an integrated Delcotron on the old pig and be done with it. +1 Got one to donate to a good cause? You'll pay the shipping from Central Ontario, Canada?? Might, depending...probably still quite a lot cheaper than could do locally (altho I haven't actually tried as yet; you recall the "issues" with local so-called salvage/used parts place I outlined earlier). BTW, this is a 283 if you have ready access for supply w/ a mounting to keep pulley in plane... Depends which water pump and pulleys you have but a 327 or even a 307 bracket should fit without a problem.. I know a lot of guys put alternators on their old 283 and 327 engines..Making a bracket isn't terribly difficult either. I checked - I don't have any delcotrons around any more. OK....thanks. I hadn't really looked; rebuilts w/o internal regulators of that general era are a whole lot cheaper than I had expected. I guess pair that with the solid state regulator speaking of could work. It's darn peculiar -- now the sucker seems to have ceased charging altogether. I've not taken time to try to see what is going on but I had taken the generator to the magneto shop just a short while back to have it checked and it was in good shape so think it's unlikely it actually died (altho yes, it is possible). It had seemed to be working just fine the last week since had last fiddled with regulator for several days and then one morning, nothing... -- |
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