I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the best "USB Receptacle" I can find for charging two
2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously:
- Enerlites 61501-TR2USB (4.0A combined, for a total of 20 Watts)
http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the second best I can find:
- Leviton T5632 (3.6A combined, for a total of 18 Watts)
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...&section=63676

Here's a typical one, which is sub optimal:
- Hubbell Wiring Systems USB15X2W (3A combined, for a total of 15 Watts)
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?pat...t&part=3459565

Do you know of a more powerful USB Recepticle other than the Enerlites
above, that can charge two 2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously?

"Danny D." wrote in message
...
I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the best "USB Receptacle" I can find for charging two
2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously:
- Enerlites 61501-TR2USB (4.0A combined, for a total of 20 Watts)
http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the second best I can find:
- Leviton T5632 (3.6A combined, for a total of 18 Watts)
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...&section=63676

Here's a typical one, which is sub optimal:
- Hubbell Wiring Systems USB15X2W (3A combined, for a total of 15 Watts)
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?pat...t&part=3459565

Do you know of a more powerful USB Recepticle other than the Enerlites
above, that can charge two 2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously?

You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

Rod Speed wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:09:04 +1100:

You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

What does that mean?

Current is different than voltage.
The voltage is regulated at 5VDC.
Too much voltage will destroy things.

But you can't source too much current.
The more current you can source, the better.

Danny D. wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

What does that mean?

Some can fail catastrophically and put full
mains voltage on whatever you are charging.

Current is different than voltage.
The voltage is regulated at 5VDC.
Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But you can't source too much current.
The more current you can source, the better.

Sure, that isnt the problem with badly designed sockets.

Rod Speed wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:05:41 +1100:

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of current
(aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL dual-USB wall
outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Danny D. wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

Nope, its perfectly possible to design a
charger so that no failure will ever deliver
full mains voltage to the device its charging.

Have a look at the teardowns of chargers on youtube sometime.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of
current (aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL
dual-USB wall outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

You need both that AND one that can't deliver
full mains voltage to the device if it fails.

In article , Danny D.
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:05:41 +1100:

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

theoretically yes, but quality chargers have protection so that it is
highly unlikely to happen. cheap chargers skimp on the protection and
everything works out ok. often it does but sometimes it doesn't.

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of current
(aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL dual-USB wall
outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

nospam wrote
Danny D. wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

theoretically yes, but quality chargers have
protection so that it is highly unlikely to happen.

Impossible, actually.

cheap chargers skimp on the protection

Or don't have any protection at all.

and everything works out ok.

Presumably you left out a 'hope' after the and.

often it does but sometimes it doesn't.

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

It aint just the name that matters.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of current
(aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL dual-USB wall
outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

Wrong, as always.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

There is no wasted electricity with a proper switch mode design.

You only get that effect with transformer based systems.

nospam wrote, on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 22:42:57 -0500:

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

I think they're all UL approved.

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

That's sort of like saying there's no point in buying a motorcycle
with more than 100 BHP at the rear wheel because you don't need it.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

I think all the ones I found were always on, although I agree it's
a great idea if they only activate the circuitry when they're being used.

On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:09:04 +1100:

You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

What does that mean?

Current is different than voltage.
The voltage is regulated at 5VDC.
Too much voltage will destroy things.

But you can't source too much current.
The more current you can source, the better.

I never even knew they made outlets with USB ports on them. But you can
buy plug in adaptors that will plug into any outlet in the house. I'd
be inclined to just buy an adaptor and plug it in whereever you need it.
That way you can use it anywhere in the house or in your garage, or
anywhere else.

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 02:03:08 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:09:04 +1100:

You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

What does that mean?

Current is different than voltage.
The voltage is regulated at 5VDC.
Too much voltage will destroy things.

But you can't source too much current.
The more current you can source, the better.

I never even knew they made outlets with USB ports on them. But you can

I've seen them advertised. If I were putting in a new recept. where I
could use USB, I'd buy one.

buy plug in adaptors that will plug into any outlet in the house. I'd

But otherwise, I'd do what you say. Many of my duplex recepts. have
been converted by a plug-in to hexex (or sixex or whatever). Others
have those short ext. cords with 6 outlets in them, sometimes 2 or 3 in
a row it's not where it's ugly. A couple of them have USB adapters in
them.

be inclined to just buy an adaptor and plug it in whereever you need it.
That way you can use it anywhere in the house or in your garage, or
anywhere else.

I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the best "USB Receptacle" I can find for charging two
2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously:
- Enerlites 61501-TR2USB (4.0A combined, for a total of 20 Watts)
http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the second best I can find:
- Leviton T5632 (3.6A combined, for a total of 18 Watts)
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...&section=63676

Here's a typical one, which is sub optimal:
- Hubbell Wiring Systems USB15X2W (3A combined, for a total of 15 Watts)
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?pat...t&part=3459565

Do you know of a more powerful USB Recepticle other than the Enerlites
above, that can charge two 2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously?


*I think that you are better off with the Hubbell. The 3 amps is per port on the Hubbell whereas the 3.6 amps on the Leviton is total amps.

eR.............cross-circuit to Panel A?

Jerry.Tan wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 02:03:08 -0600:

I'd be inclined to just buy an adaptor

Bear in mind that the 20 Watt plug-in dual-port adapters are huge.
I already bought her one, at Frys - which is what she is using now.

That 20 Watt plug-in adapter was $45 and takes up a LOT of space on
the outlet. That's when I hit upon the idea of just putting in
an outlet, which takes up no space, for about the same amount of money.

micky wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 03:36:40 -0500:

Others
have those short ext. cords with 6 outlets in them, sometimes 2 or 3 in
a row it's not where it's ugly.

I saw them at Frys. None of the extension cords with USB were
simultaneous 2 Amps per USB port. So, they're mostly for show.

"Danny D." wrote in
:

Subject: What's the best 120VAC wall outlet with two full power USB
ports of at least 20 Watts? From: "Danny D."
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,comp.mobile.ipad,misc.phone.mobile .iphone

I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html


Un****ingBelievable.

John G wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 04:55:33 -0800:

*I think that you are better off with the Hubbell.
The 3 amps is per port on the Hubbell whereas the
3.6 amps on the Leviton is total amps.

The Hubbel lies.

As far as anyone can tell, the Hubbel is 3 Amps total.
They based that on the input wattage, which the Hubbel
web site PDF provides.

Almost always, if they don't say explicitly that the
current (or wattage) is 'per port', then it's not.

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 08:09:04 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote in

"Danny D." wrote in message
...
I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.


You also need to consider which ones are well
enough designed so they won't destroy what
you are charging if they fail. Hard to quantify tho.

+1
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 6:55:42 AM UTC-6, John G wrote:
I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the best "USB Receptacle" I can find for charging two
2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously:
- Enerlites 61501-TR2USB (4.0A combined, for a total of 20 Watts)
http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the second best I can find:
- Leviton T5632 (3.6A combined, for a total of 18 Watts)
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...&section=63676

Here's a typical one, which is sub optimal:
- Hubbell Wiring Systems USB15X2W (3A combined, for a total of 15 Watts)
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?pat...t&part=3459565

Do you know of a more powerful USB Recepticle other than the Enerlites
above, that can charge two 2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously?


*I think that you are better off with the Hubbell. The 3 amps is per port on the Hubbell whereas the 3.6 amps on the Leviton is total amps.

Agree...in my experience Hubbell is a quality invested company.

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

theoretically yes, but quality chargers have
protection so that it is highly unlikely to happen.

Impossible, actually.

definitely not impossible. even the best chargers can have component
failures and damage a device. nothing is perfect.

cheap chargers skimp on the protection

Or don't have any protection at all.

in other words, skimp.

and everything works out ok.

Presumably you left out a 'hope' after the and.

looks like i did.

often it does but sometimes it doesn't.

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

It aint just the name that matters.

no, but it's an easy way to determine quality other than buy it and
take it apart. name brands don't normally risk making crap.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of current
(aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL dual-USB wall
outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

Wrong, as always.

nope.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

There is no wasted electricity with a proper switch mode design.

You only get that effect with transformer based systems.

nope.

In article , Danny D.
wrote:


in other words, don't buy noname crap.

I think they're all UL approved.

that helps.

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

That's sort of like saying there's no point in buying a motorcycle
with more than 100 BHP at the rear wheel because you don't need it.

not a good analogy.

what devices sink more than 10-12w? unless you can find one *and* plan
on buying it, then it doesn't matter if the outlet can source more.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

I think all the ones I found were always on, although I agree it's
a great idea if they only activate the circuitry when they're being used.

there's at least one that autosenses but i don't remember who makes it.
i met the guy who designed it a few years ago at a conference.

nospam wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Too much voltage will destroy things.

And does when the electronics in the
socket fails and delivers full mains
voltage to the device plugged into USB.

But that can happen with ANY USB charger.

theoretically yes, but quality chargers have
protection so that it is highly unlikely to happen.

Impossible, actually.

definitely not impossible.

Wrong, as always.

even the best chargers can have component
failures and damage a device.

Yes, but the whole point of the best designs
is that whatever fails DOES NOT PRODUCE
FULL MAINS VOLTAGE ON THE USB.

Trivially easy to do in fact tho it does
cost more to do that than to not bother.

nothing is perfect.

Yes, but what matters is designing
it so that whatever fails can never
see full mains voltage on the USB.

cheap chargers skimp on the protection

Or don't have any protection at all.

in other words, skimp.

Wrong, as always. Skimp means
less protection, not none at all.

and everything works out ok.

Presumably you left out a 'hope' after the and.

looks like i did.

often it does but sometimes it doesn't.

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

It aint just the name that matters.

no, but it's an easy way to determine quality

Like hell it is when its so easy to use any name they like.

other than buy it and take it apart. name
brands don't normally risk making crap.

But can't stop others using their name. Ask Apple about that with chargers.

To be more specific on the question, since the spec on two ipads
would be to source about 2.1 Amps x 2 which is 4.2 Amps of current
(aka 21 Watts) of power, is there a MORE POWERFUL dual-USB wall
outlet receptacle than the best one I found, so far?

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

Wrong, as always.

nope.

Yep. There may be nothing that currently does. Doesn't mean
that something won't in the future and it would be stupid to
have to replace all you sockets when one of those shows up.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

There is no wasted electricity with a proper switch mode design.

You only get that effect with transformer based systems.

nope.

Yep. You don't have a ****ing about the basics. Trivially easy
to measure the power consumption with switch mode designs.

nospam wrote
Danny D. wrote

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

I think they're all UL approved.

that helps.

Only if it actually is UL approved and doesn't
just claim that it is when in fact it isnt.

Plenty of the fake Apple chargers claim to be and it's a lie.

there is no point for more power, as nothing will sink it.

That's sort of like saying there's no point in buying a motorcycle
with more than 100 BHP at the rear wheel because you don't need it.

not a good analogy.

what devices sink more than 10-12w? unless you can find one *and*
plan on buying it, then it doesn't matter if the outlet can source more.

Wrong, as always. It makes no sense to buy just what you currently
need and have to replace all the sockets when you buy something
that takes more current than what you currently have.

for wall outlets with usb ports, the thing to look for is if the usb
ports are always on or if it can detect if there's a device plugged
into it and if not, disable the usb port and not waste electricity.

I think all the ones I found were always on, although I agree it's a
great idea if they only activate the circuitry when they're being used.

there's at least one that autosenses but i don't remember who makes
it. i met the guy who designed it a few years ago at a conference.

But don't understand the basics, as always.

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, "Danny D." wrote:

Jerry.Tan wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 02:03:08 -0600:

I'd be inclined to just buy an adaptor

Bear in mind that the 20 Watt plug-in dual-port adapters are huge.
I already bought her one, at Frys - which is what she is using now.

That 20 Watt plug-in adapter was $45 and takes up a LOT of space on
the outlet. That's when I hit upon the idea of just putting in
an outlet, which takes up no space, for about the same amount of money.

I think you just answered your own question. Any more amerage isn't going
to fit inside a recepticle that is shared with mains voltage. Maybe some
exist that are only USB outlets.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

I think they're all UL approved.

that helps.

Only if it actually is UL approved and doesn't
just claim that it is when in fact it isnt.

Plenty of the fake Apple chargers claim to be and it's a lie.

that's why sticking to name brands is important. a name brand will not
lie about ul approval.

with noname crap, you never know what you'll get. even the power rating
can be bogus (and often is).

On 1/7/2015 3:40 PM, Danny D. wrote:
I want to help out a neighbor who knows nothing about electricity
by replacing a handful of wall outlets with those that have two
(full power) USB ports.

By full power, I mean BOTH PORTS simultaneously can charge with
at least 2.1 amps (for a total power output of at least 20 Watts).

http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the best "USB Receptacle" I can find for charging two
2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously:
- Enerlites 61501-TR2USB (4.0A combined, for a total of 20 Watts)
http://www.enerlites.com/61501-tr2usb.html

Here's the second best I can find:
- Leviton T5632 (3.6A combined, for a total of 18 Watts)
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...&section=63676

Here's a typical one, which is sub optimal:
- Hubbell Wiring Systems USB15X2W (3A combined, for a total of 15 Watts)
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?pat...t&part=3459565

Do you know of a more powerful USB Recepticle other than the Enerlites
above, that can charge two 2.1 Amp iPads simultaneously?


I ask: Will USB ports be de rigueur 30 years from now?
Plug ins are cheap. I'd prefer to use them.

nospam wrote
Rod Speed wrote

in other words, don't buy noname crap.

I think they're all UL approved.

that helps.

Only if it actually is UL approved and doesn't
just claim that it is when in fact it isnt.

Plenty of the fake Apple chargers claim to be and it's a lie.

that's why sticking to name brands is important.

But there is no way to determine if it actually is a name
brand or just someone lying about the brand, a fake.

With a microscopic subset like Apple, you can
only ever by stuff from an Apple place of worship,
but plenty of us don't even have that option and
it isnt available with most stuff anyway.

a name brand will not lie about ul approval.

But plenty lie about the brand name.

with noname crap, you never know what you'll get.
even the power rating can be bogus (and often is).

And with something like the power outlets he is talking
about its easy enough to buy just one of what looks like
a branded product, with a UL rating and check that it
does deliver what it claims to and break it open and
check that its not a fake too. Not a shred of rocket
science required at all. But you do need to know
more about the basics than you do.

nospam wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:12:44 -0500:

what devices sink more than 10-12w?

The quest is for two 2.1 Amp ports, which will handle two
iPads at the same time.

I can only find one UL-approved receptacle that does that.
I was just hoping that there would be more out there than
the one I found.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Rod Speed wrote, on Fri, 09 Jan 2015 05:11:32 +1100:

Only if it actually is UL approved and doesn't
just claim that it is when in fact it isnt.

Plenty of the fake Apple chargers claim to be and it's a lie.

I don't claim to be an expert on anything, but, I doubt
there is a real danger of fake 120VAC receptacles being
sold by reputable firms (as the ones I outlined were), and
then being put in homes all across the USA every day by
electricians and homeowners alike.

Sure, I know about the made-up scare by Apple regarding
the fake chargers - and I know all about the Apple audience
eating it up like hotcakes.

IMHO, that fake Apple charger issue was purposefully blown
vastly out of proportion, by Apple Marketing (which is the best
there is, after BMW Marketing) after the death of that Asian
lady using the phone in China with a white charger block.

Even if fake white charger blocks were a real threat,
to imply that the worldwide market for fake white charger blocks
is even remotely similar to the USA-only market for 120VAC wall
outlets, is preposterous (and barely worth the text required
to dispute).

To summarize, I highly doubt fake UL-approved USA receptacles
is a real problem. It's a great made-up scare-tactic problem,
which probably works great on Apple customers, but I'd personally
worry more about falling down the stairs while reading text on
my iPhone than I would about fake UL-approved wall outlets.

In article , Frank
wrote:


I ask: Will USB ports be de rigueur 30 years from now?

much sooner.

the new usb type c plug will replace the existing plugs within a year
or two. it's that much better.

Plug ins are cheap. I'd prefer to use them.

yep, and easily replaced should something new come along, which it will.

In article , Danny D.
wrote:

what devices sink more than 10-12w?

The quest is for two 2.1 Amp ports, which will handle two
iPads at the same time.

those exist. what you won't find is 20w for *each* port since it's not
needed.

I can only find one UL-approved receptacle that does that.
I was just hoping that there would be more out there than
the one I found.

typically people have one tablet and one phone, so having one port be a
high power port means the cost can be reduced a bit.

however, as i said, there are some that have 10w per port.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

no problem. thanks for clarifying it.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-6, Danny D. wrote:
nospam wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:12:44 -0500:

what devices sink more than 10-12w?

The quest is for two 2.1 Amp ports, which will handle two
iPads at the same time.

I can only find one UL-approved receptacle that does that.
I was just hoping that there would be more out there than
the one I found.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Because of their size and ability to dissipate heat (confined space) they have their current limits. IMHO

nospam wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:53:07 -0500:

with noname crap, you never know what you'll get.
even the power rating can be bogus (and often is).

I don't know who you are, but, I have to wonder if you
realize that the world-wide market for white apple
looking stuff is not even remotely similar to that of
UL-approved USA 120VAC electrical outlets.

Nonetheless, the question remains whether anyone can find
a BETTER wall outlet than the one I found, where better
is defined as having at least two full-power ports, and
where full-power merely means two iPads or similar (usually
that's 2.1 Amps per port simultaneously).

Don Wiss wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:19:56 -0500:

I think you just answered your own question. Any more amerage isn't going
to fit inside a recepticle that is shared with mains voltage. Maybe some
exist that are only USB outlets.

What I'm looking for is to charge two tablets at the same time,
and the only spec I know of for tablets is the 2.1 Amp spec.

So that means two times 2.1 Amps which is a tad over 20 Watts.
Clearly that exists, and fits inside a normal USA outlet box.

In fact, I had googled before posting, and only found one wall
outlet that output 20 Watts that fit in a normal electrical box,
so, my question was simply whether I had found the only one out
there, or, if I missed a few (since I'm not an electrician or
even well versed in this stuff).

Apparently, based on the responses so far, there is only one
120VAC/20W USB wall receptacle out there, so, I'll try to find
a few of those to put in.

I was just hoping someone out there knew more than I did, since
I admit I don't know much about this stuff.

bob_villa wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:03:47 -0800:

Agree...in my experience Hubbell is a quality invested company.

The only problem with Hubbell is that they apparently misrepresent
the truth (according to what I can find out on the net about this
particular charger).

It's not really that they lie, they just don't tell you what you
need to know, so you're forced to make the calculations based on
the input wattage, which isn't even in and of itself enough to
justify the assumption of both ports being 3 amps.

So, the only conclusion you can make, based on the evidence
we have, is that the Hubbell is the WORST of the three outlets
that I found.

Bear in mind, the goal was to find an equivalent (or better) outlet
to the BEST that I had found by googling.

So far, we've failed.

Frank wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:11:48 -0500:

I ask: Will USB ports be de rigueur 30 years from now?
Plug ins are cheap. I'd prefer to use them.

I don't know the answer, but USB is certainly here for the
next five years, so, for the bedroom and office, where you
are very likely to plug in a USB-powered device, it makes
economic sense (at least to me), to pop in a 2-port 20-Watt
outlet in key areas.

Besides, the outlet actually costs (slightly) less than a
similar spec'd external charger, so, if you need a charger,
and it's for a static location, I don't see the advantage
of the wall wort style charger over the receptacle style.

I guess nobody knows of a better one than the one I found
(which is surprising), so, I'll get the 20 Watt outlet that
I had found by googling. They don't seem to sell it at the
box stores though, so, I may have to order online.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-6, Danny D. wrote:
bob_villa wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:03:47 -0800:

Agree...in my experience Hubbell is a quality invested company.

The only problem with Hubbell is that they apparently misrepresent
the truth (according to what I can find out on the net about this
particular charger).

It's not really that they lie, they just don't tell you what you
need to know, so you're forced to make the calculations based on
the input wattage, which isn't even in and of itself enough to
justify the assumption of both ports being 3 amps.

So, the only conclusion you can make, based on the evidence
we have, is that the Hubbell is the WORST of the three outlets
that I found.

Bear in mind, the goal was to find an equivalent (or better) outlet
to the BEST that I had found by googling.

So far, we've failed.

I know this isn't what you want...but would it do the job? http://www.amazon.com/EZOPower-4200-...h+usb+charging

nospam wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 15:31:56 -0500:

those exist. what you won't find is 20w for *each* port since it's not
needed.

Sorry if I wasn't clear in the original question.
The goal is 2.1 Amps out of each 5V port at the same time.
That's about 10 Watts per port, for a total of about 20 Watts.

I can only find one receptacle that does that.
There must be more.
I was just asking if anyone here knew of others.

bob_villa wrote, on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 12:50:40 -0800:

I know this isn't what you want...but would it do the job?
http://www.amazon.com/EZOPower-4200-...h+usb+charging

That's not a bad find, as it contains 4 "smart" USB ports,
two of which are useful for tablets.

However, I had already gone to Frys to see what they had,
which included similar power strips (albeit not as nice nor
as inexpensive as the one you found).

So, as a power strip, your suggestion is nice in that it
contains two useful ports (for tablets) and it has auto
sense, if that matters.

In article , Danny D.
wrote:

I ask: Will USB ports be de rigueur 30 years from now?
Plug ins are cheap. I'd prefer to use them.

I don't know the answer, but USB is certainly here for the
next five years, so, for the bedroom and office, where you
are very likely to plug in a USB-powered device, it makes
economic sense (at least to me), to pop in a 2-port 20-Watt
outlet in key areas.

usb type a/b connectors will be replaced by the new reversible usb type
c connector long before 5 years, and not just because it's reversible.

it offers many other benefits, such as supporting up to 100w power and
10gig speeds. a laptop would be able to charge off usb, much like a
phone does now.

Besides, the outlet actually costs (slightly) less than a
similar spec'd external charger, so, if you need a charger,
and it's for a static location, I don't see the advantage
of the wall wort style charger over the receptacle style.

it's a lot easier to change a charger as technology changes than it is
a wall outlet, as well as carry it with you while traveling.

that's why you'll see a *lot* more chargers for sale and not very many
wall outlet chargers.

the wall outlet chargers make sense in industrial settings, such as
airports, hotels, schools, etc.