I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years. They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

On 1/4/2015 6:57 PM, wrote:
A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

A house is replaceable, your lungs -- not so much.

On 01/04/2015 07:21 PM, Smokey wrote:

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

A house is replaceable, your lungs -- not so much.


+1

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:21:36 -0500, Smokey wrote:

A house is replaceable, your lungs -- not so much.

Bill Clinton smoked pot a "time or two" but he "never inhaled" it.

What a waist... If you're going to smoke pot, at least inhale it.

He did let Willy Nelson smoked on top of the White House roof. Snoop
Dog said he smoked pot in a White house bathroom.

Bob Beckle; was drunk and stoned under the White House Christmas Tree
and fell asleep.

All three made public confessions

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 17:57:43 -0600, wrote:

I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years. They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say

But it was only a dollar. How much can you expect.

it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or

Anyone can quit smoking. It takes a real man to fight a fire.

damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

Thanks. Appreciated.

On Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:58:55 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years. They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

It's part of the plot to screw you smokers. They banned smoking in most
places, making you go outside. That wasn't enough, you stood outside, so
then they banned smoking near entrances. That wasn't enough, so they banned
smoking on entire properties, parking lots, beaches, parks, etc. That
wasn't enough so
they decreed that you couldn't even have a cigar night in a closed
separate room at a restaurant. That wasn't enough, so
they hiked the tax so high that a pack costs $12 in NYC. So, folks started
selling loosies, obtained illegally, on the street. That had to be
dealt with so Bloomberg passed a
law toughening the penalties for doing that. Then they told the police to go
vigorously enforce it. So, when Eric Gartner was spotted on Staten Island
selling them, the cops busted him and he wound up dead. But now it's all
the racist cops fault, who among other things, should have just looked the other way, because cigs are no big deal.

So, I think this is the next step. Get China to sell you defective ashtrays
so you'll wind up burning yourself up. Then you won't be smoking anymore and
the libs will be happy, having achieved their goal.

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:10:24 -0500, micky
wrote:

But it was only a dollar. How much can you expect.

I expect something SAFE, regardless of the price! I bought my old ones
at Walmart for not much over a buck, several years ago. They say USA on
the bottom. I'm no fan of Walmart, but at least they sell something
still made in the USA, and SAFE.

it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or

Anyone can quit smoking. It takes a real man to fight a fire.

I knew this would turn into an anti-smoking rant.... Almost everyone
has something unhealthy they do.... Or, they are so perfect and
judgemental that no one can stand to be around them..... No further
comments about smoking.

But dont buy melemine ashtrays from China! (Dollar General, and probably
other stores).

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:54:39 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:10:24 -0500, micky
wrote:

But it was only a dollar. How much can you expect.

I expect something SAFE, regardless of the price! I bought my old ones
at Walmart for not much over a buck, several years ago. They say USA on
the bottom. I'm no fan of Walmart, but at least they sell something
still made in the USA, and SAFE.

My friend notices all the problem foods etc. from China, so I decided to
stop buying caffeine pills at the dollar store. Then I heard on the
radio that Coke and/or Pepsi buy their caffeine from China, so I went
back to the dollar store. But now I'm thinking maybe coke and pepsi
buy better caffeine than I'm getting

it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or

Anyone can quit smoking. It takes a real man to fight a fire.

I knew this would turn into an anti-smoking rant.... Almost everyone

No, it was just a joke. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

has something unhealthy they do.... Or, they are so perfect and
judgemental that no one can stand to be around them..... No further
comments about smoking.

But dont buy melemine ashtrays from China! (Dollar General, and probably
other stores).

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:54:39 -0600, wrote:


I knew this would turn into an anti-smoking rant.... Almost everyone
has something unhealthy they do.... Or, they are so perfect and
judgemental that no one can stand to be around them..... No further
comments about smoking.

BTW, I still offer ashtrays to guests who want to smoke. I would have
one on the table but there is no room anymore. I've never sent
anyone outside and if they offer to go outside, I say No, don't bother.

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:25:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

It's part of the plot to screw you smokers. They banned smoking in most
places, making you go outside. That wasn't enough, you stood outside, so
then they banned smoking near entrances. That wasn't enough, so they banned
smoking on entire properties, parking lots, beaches, parks, etc. That
wasn't enough so
they decreed that you couldn't even have a cigar night in a closed
separate room at a restaurant. That wasn't enough, so
they hiked the tax so high that a pack costs $12 in NYC. So, folks started
selling loosies, obtained illegally, on the street. That had to be
dealt with so Bloomberg passed a
law toughening the penalties for doing that. Then they told the police to go
vigorously enforce it. So, when Eric Gartner was spotted on Staten Island
selling them, the cops busted him and he wound up dead. But now it's all
the racist cops fault, who among other things, should have just looked the other way, because cigs are no big deal.

So, I think this is the next step. Get China to sell you defective ashtrays
so you'll wind up burning yourself up. Then you won't be smoking anymore and
the libs will be happy, having achieved their goal.

Trader,

I'm so glad that you see and understand facts.

Reminds me of "get off my lawn". Who are they to dictate what a grown
person decides what is best for his child?

Did you see the news were a father called police to come an witness
his spanking of his own child? Not the America I was raised in. In my
younger days an ass whipping was immediate

Bunch of hippy liberals want to inflict their views on you, your
family and compel you to comply. Spit!

On Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:21:45 PM UTC-7, Smokey wrote:
On 1/4/2015 6:57 PM, wrote:

A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on.

A house is replaceable, your lungs -- not so much.

You can always quit smoking, but you can't always quit burning up in flames.

micky wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:54:39 -0600, wrote:


I knew this would turn into an anti-smoking rant.... Almost
everyone has something unhealthy they do.... Or, they are so
perfect and judgemental that no one can stand to be around them.....
No further comments about smoking.

BTW, I still offer ashtrays to guests who want to smoke. I would have
one on the table but there is no room anymore. I've never sent
anyone outside and if they offer to go outside, I say No, don't
bother.

I quit ten years ago in march , and I'm glad I did . What you do is up to
you , but please don't smoke in my house .

--
Snag

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 22:05:38 -0500, micky
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:54:39 -0600, wrote:


I knew this would turn into an anti-smoking rant.... Almost everyone
has something unhealthy they do.... Or, they are so perfect and
judgemental that no one can stand to be around them..... No further
comments about smoking.

BTW, I still offer ashtrays to guests who want to smoke. I would have
one on the table but there is no room anymore. I've never sent
anyone outside and if they offer to go outside, I say No, don't bother.

I somewhat thought it was a joke.....

I dont make anyone go outdoors to smoke either, of course I am a smoker
so why would I. But making someone go outdoors in frigid weather to
smoke is more unhealthy as smoking indoors. Not to mention cruel. When
people drink, they want to smoke, and that should be up to the
individual bar owner. I never objected to smoking in restaurants, in
fact it would bother me when I was eating, but bars should allow smoking
if the owner chooses to do so.

There is a local country bar who solved the no smoking issue. He built
a large deck on the back of the bar with a roof. He built walls around
it like a railing, about 5 ft high. The upper part of the walls are
open (about 3.5 feet), other than some support posts. In summer you go
out there to smoke in the fresh air, in winter he covers these walls
with a double layer of plastic sheeting, (inside and outside), and has a
heater in there. Legally, it's still considered "outdoors" so you can
smoke, and you cant get busted by the cops for drinking outside since
it's still part of the bar. It worked so well, that he enlarged it last
summer. Then put a pool table, big screen tv, and speakers from the
juke box out there, because it seems more people are out there than
inside the bar most of the time. In hot weather, it's cooler out there
too.

wrote:

The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE.

They've got to save their melamine to mix in the baby formula:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Considering melamine is a thermoset resin, melting really isn't in its
repertoire after polymerization. Nasty stuff when you're molding it. The
company I was working for set up a turnkey dinnerware plant for Fingerhut
back in the '70s and I saw more melamine than I ever needed too.

Smokey wrote:
On 1/4/2015 6:57 PM, wrote:
A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

A house is replaceable, your lungs -- not so much.
Hmmm,
No one smokes in my house.

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:58:55 PM UTC-5,

wrote:
I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays
made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years.
They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar
General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot,
leaving a
dimple on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the
bottom says
"Made in China". All my older ones say "USA" on the
bottom, adn
I've had them for years with no problems. The China one
says it's
Melamine. I say it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week
ago, and
it's going back to the store this week. Yea, it's only a
buck, but
it could start a fire or damage the furniture it sits on.
Luckily
nothing was damaged, but I wont use it again. These
should not be
sold! I'll tell this to the store manager, but I'm sure
they will
keep selling them anyhow. I know they will give a refund
though.
They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

It's part of the plot to screw you smokers. They banned
smoking in
most
places, making you go outside. That wasn't enough, you
stood
outside, so
then they banned smoking near entrances. That wasn't
enough, so they
banned
smoking on entire properties, parking lots, beaches,
parks, etc. That
wasn't enough so
they decreed that you couldn't even have a cigar night in
a closed
separate room at a restaurant. That wasn't enough, so
they hiked the tax so high that a pack costs $12 in NYC.
So, folks
started
selling loosies, obtained illegally, on the street. That
had to be
dealt with so Bloomberg passed a
law toughening the penalties for doing that. Then they
told the
police to go
vigorously enforce it. So, when Eric Gartner was spotted
on Staten
Island
selling them, the cops busted him and he wound up dead.
But now it's
all
the racist cops fault, who among other things, should have
just
looked the other way, because cigs are no big deal.

So, I think this is the next step. Get China to sell you
defective
ashtrays
so you'll wind up burning yourself up. Then you won't be
smoking
anymore and
the libs will be happy, having achieved their goal.

+1
and the irony here is that they then complain about the drop
in cig taxes collected.
when i use to smoke, i always told the doc I was doin it for
the chillrens

On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:58:55 PM UTC-6, wrote:
I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years. They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

My ashtray is machined from billet aluminum.
Hardly ever catches fire.
Oh, just looked at it. It's cast.

On 01/04/2015 09:54 PM, wrote:
I expect something SAFE, regardless of the price!

And you think cigs are safe?

....
I just posted this to warn others!!!!

plastic isn't suited for ashtrays.

cut a piece of metal can and put it in
the bottom to protect it and to distribute
the heat more widely if a cig should keep
resting upon it.


songbird

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:59:33 -0500, songbird
wrote:

...
I just posted this to warn others!!!!

plastic isn't suited for ashtrays.

cut a piece of metal can and put it in
the bottom to protect it and to distribute
the heat more widely if a cig should keep
resting upon it.


songbird

I would tend to agree, but those melamine ashtrays that are made in the
USA work fine. I have some older glass ones. But they have the groove
for the cig on the outer edge. It's too easy to have a lit cig fall
off. I like the ones that have the ridge down the center INSIDE of the
tray.

In my garage, I have a large tractor piston for an ashtray. Of course
any metal can works too. And there is always a metal electrical octogon
box. Yeah, years ago, when I worked for an electrician, we would use
them on the job.... (just had to avoid the screw holes).

I might just bring that piston in the house......

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 17:57:43 -0600, wrote:

I'm a smoker and have used the standard 6" cheap ashtrays made from
Melamine. with the cig holder in the center, for years. They have
always held up well. I just bought another one at Dollar General for
around one dollar. A cigarette actually melted a spot, leaving a dimple
on the bottom of the ashtray. The label on the bottom says "Made in
China". All my older ones say "USA" on the bottom, adn I've had them
for years with no problems. The China one says it's Melamine. I say
it's GARBAGE. I just bought it a week ago, and it's going back to the
store this week. Yea, it's only a buck, but it could start a fire or
damage the furniture it sits on. Luckily nothing was damaged, but I
wont use it again. These should not be sold! I'll tell this to the
store manager, but I'm sure they will keep selling them anyhow. I know
they will give a refund though. They always do!

I just posted this to warn others!!!!

They've been melting dimples for at least 30 years IME. Can't say
where they were made 30 years ago, but I've seen them melt.
Might be weak spots, or a cigarette burning hot. Don't know.
One time about 40 years I had a heavy glass ashtray shatter and damn
near catch the house on fire while I was sleeping.
It was half full of butts, and I hadn't put the last smoke out well
before I fell asleep. Unfiltered Pall Malls.

On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:56:16 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


They've been melting dimples for at least 30 years IME. Can't say
where they were made 30 years ago, but I've seen them melt.
Might be weak spots, or a cigarette burning hot. Don't know.
One time about 40 years I had a heavy glass ashtray shatter and damn
near catch the house on fire while I was sleeping.
It was half full of butts, and I hadn't put the last smoke out well
before I fell asleep. Unfiltered Pall Malls.

A local bar had a 5 gallon plastic pail outside the door. It had about 3
inches of sand in the bottom. Put there to snuff out butts. No one ever
emptied it. One night it was right to the top with butts, when it
started on fire. So I tell the bartender, and she hands me a pitcher
full of ice. I said I need water not ice. She said "the ice will cool
down the fire". I was not gonna argue, I ran out back tossed the ice on
it, and told another guy to get some water. A pitcher of ice and
another one of water killed the flames, but it still smoldered. Then
another bartender got a whole mop pail full of water and killed the
fire. The pail was melted, and it charred some paint on the wood door
frame, but it could have been much worse.

I later told that bartender (a young woman), that water is better than
ice for a fire. While some drunk guy insisted whisky would be better
yet..... I just laughed, and said "you'd drink it before you got to the
flames"!

On 01/05/2015 07:33 PM, wrote:
A local bar had a 5 gallon plastic pail outside the door. It had about 3
inches of sand in the bottom. Put there to snuff out butts. No one ever
emptied it. One night it was right to the top with butts, when it
started on fire. So I tell the bartender, and she hands me a pitcher
full of ice. I said I need water not ice. She said "the ice will cool
down the fire". I was not gonna argue, I ran out back tossed the ice on
it, and told another guy to get some water. A pitcher of ice and
another one of water killed the flames, but it still smoldered. Then
another bartender got a whole mop pail full of water and killed the
fire. The pail was melted, and it charred some paint on the wood door
frame, but it could have been much worse.

I later told that bartender (a young woman), that water is better than
ice for a fire. While some drunk guy insisted whisky would be better
yet..... I just laughed, and said "you'd drink it before you got to the
flames"!

You find the world's most intelligent people at a bar.

O Wren wrote:
On 01/05/2015 07:33 PM, wrote:
A local bar had a 5 gallon plastic pail outside the door. It had
about 3 inches of sand in the bottom. Put there to snuff out butts. No
one ever emptied it. One night it was right to the top with
butts, when it started on fire. So I tell the bartender, and she
hands me a pitcher full of ice. I said I need water not ice. She
said "the ice will cool down the fire". I was not gonna argue, I
ran out back tossed the ice on it, and told another guy to get some
water. A pitcher of ice and another one of water killed the flames,
but it still smoldered. Then another bartender got a whole mop pail
full of water and killed the fire. The pail was melted, and it
charred some paint on the wood door frame, but it could have been
much worse. I later told that bartender (a young woman), that water is
better
than ice for a fire. While some drunk guy insisted whisky would be
better yet..... I just laughed, and said "you'd drink it before you
got to the flames"!

You find the world's most intelligent people at a bar.

You'd know .

--
Snag

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:58:28 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

You find the world's most intelligent people at a bar.

You'd know .

I've got douv6a
--
Definition of a camel: A horse designed by a committee

today any smoker needs their head examined. I am sorry but its true

bob haller wrote:
today any smoker needs their head examined. I am sorry but its true

+1. In our city smokers are like 2nd class citizen. Can't smoke
in any public places. Many tried to quit but they always come up with
all kinda excuses. No one ever forced them to start smoking, then why not?

On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 21:36:53 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

bob haller wrote:
today any smoker needs their head examined. I am sorry but its true

+1. In our city smokers are like 2nd class citizen. Can't smoke
in any public places. Many tried to quit but they always come up with
all kinda excuses.

I am amazed to be in the same newsgroup with someone that has so much
knowledge about so many people.