I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the
window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that
fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall.
I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

That size window has been discontinued by all mfrs of window units because
of it's carbon footprint . Your only option is to board up the hole and
cover it with tarpaper . Let us know how that goes .

--
Snag

On 5/27/2014 7:33 AM, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Go to a big box store... think that I got mine at Lowes. Pella has a
product line that includes custom sizes. Great windows at reasonable
prices with the Low-E glass, etc. They were a great deal when I bought
them on sale and even at regular price they were a good deal.

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:

I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and
measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x
71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Never mind the dimensions of the window unit -- measure the dimensions of the rough
opening, then call a local window dealer and ask what they have to fit it.

As Doug Miller said, they're sold by R.O. size,
which will be about 1/4" more than the window
on the sides and maybe 1/2" (5/8"?) bigger on
the vertical. you might find a standard replacement,
but many windows are not standard, and the
standard replacements at HD/Lowes are poor
quality. You'd be better off ordering from a
door and window dealer.


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...
|I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out
temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough
opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window
locally anywhere this size.
|
| Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Others have mentioned that you need to measure the Rough Opening, but no
one mentioned the proper way to do that.

You should measure the width and height of the RO in at least 3 different
spots - usually left, right middle for height and top, bottom, middle for
width. You then use the smallest of the height and width measurements when
you order your window.

RO aren't always perfect. If you take one measurement and it ends up being
the largest one, the new window won't fit. Take at least 3 measurements
while visually inspecting the RO for anything that might be an issue.

I bought my windows through a local Norandex-Reynolds dealer. They don't
stock windows, they place individual customer orders based on the RO sizes
submitted by the customer. IOW, each window is custom made and given an
individual serial number for ease of replacement if there is ever a
problem. I had a sash go bad a few years after I installed the windows. I
called the company, gave them the serial number and about a week later I
had my replacement sash, no questions asked.

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about 100 bucks more? I guess I could take the window back out, take it to Lowes and have them measure it.



Not sure if there is much difference between window brands or not. This is the first one I have ever replaced.

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On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.


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____________________________

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On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:33:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

whats wrong with the window? if the sealed glass unit is bad they can easily and cheaply be replaced...

so whats wrong with your window?

On Tue, 27 May 2014 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Others have mentioned that you need to measure the Rough Opening, but no
one mentioned the proper way to do that.

You should measure the width and height of the RO in at least 3 different
spots - usually left, right middle for height and top, bottom, middle for
width. You then use the smallest of the height and width measurements when
you order your window.

RO aren't always perfect. If you take one measurement and it ends up being
the largest one, the new window won't fit. Take at least 3 measurements
while visually inspecting the RO for anything that might be an issue.

I bought my windows through a local Norandex-Reynolds dealer. They don't
stock windows, they place individual customer orders based on the RO sizes
submitted by the customer. IOW, each window is custom made and given an
individual serial number for ease of replacement if there is ever a
problem. I had a sash go bad a few years after I installed the windows. I
called the company, gave them the serial number and about a week later I
had my replacement sash, no questions asked.
I do not buy "ready made" or "one size fits all" windows. I have
custom ordered every window except one in my house - the first one I
replaced, the least seen window in the house - that I had intended on
fixing untill I found out how bad it was when I pulled it apart.
Bought the closest fit I could get and made do. Then I ordered all the
rest of the windows I needed for the upstairs. A number of years later
I had the lower windows replaced - also custom ordered - but I paid to
have them put in (in brick instead of siding) as well as the front
entry door.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.
The only way I will EVER install windows, or let them be installed
"on my watch" is a total tear-out to rough opening and replacement
with original construction type windows - any "replacement" that does
not go right out to the rough opening is "cheaping out" and looks like
it.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:13:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about 100 bucks more? I guess I could take the window back out, take it to Lowes and have them measure it.



Not sure if there is much difference between window brands or not. This is the first one I have ever replaced.
There is quite a difference between brands - and between models of
some brands. The Lowes/ Home Despot Pellas are lower quality than the
top-line Pellas sold by window specialists (I worked for 2 over the
years). I put all Euro Vinyl windows in my house, and the house next
door when I renovated it. They are Rehau profile , and if properly
built are about the best you can get, in a vinyl window.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 16:11:20 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

wrote in message

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.
The good double hung is a lot easier to clean on a second floor
though. The DH tilts in both panes, while the SH requires cleaning
from the outside for at least the top (fixed) pane.

All of mine are double side sliders except for that one cheap-assed
Home despot ready made window I installed before I "got smart". The
new kitchen window is a fixed pane.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 13:52:41 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

so whats wrong with your window?

+1

If the OP took the sash out and measured inside of that frame, or if
the OP removed the window frame from the RO, is what makes me wonder
what is he exactly doing.

Any window can be custom sized and built. Custom built to fit in the
existing frame (smaller) or custom built to fit in the original RO
size.

OP?

On Tue, 27 May 2014 13:52:41 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:33:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

whats wrong with the window? if the sealed glass unit is bad they can easily and cheaply be replaced...

so whats wrong with your window?
When I replaced mine it was because the wood behind the aluminum
cladding was all rotted, and they were double pain, but not sealed
units (more like built in storm windows) that were leakers when the
contractor built the house, and had not improved with age. I salvaged
one and used it in my shed. When the neighbour renovated their house
and put a sliding patio door in the dining room, I snagged the 4 year
old vinyl window I had installed for them and have it sitting in the
shed waiting for me to get some ambition and replace it.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:11:20 PM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
wrote in message



On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:

I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window

out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into

the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find

a window locally anywhere this size.







Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?



Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a

close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I

have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double

hung like the one I am taking out.







Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about

100 bucks more?



How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.



And maybe even more important, how does it match with
the other windows? If you have 4 other ones visible
and this one is going to be noticeably different, that's
not good.

| Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.

|
| Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about 100
bucks more? I guess I could take the window back out, take it to Lowes and
have them measure it.
|

If it were me I'd order it made from a local door
and window supply. That's probably cheaper than
Lowes. There can be hidden costs with cheapo
windows: The seams at the corners are often sloppily
done and ugly. More important, there's a good chance
that the springs will give out at some point and you
may not even be able to replace them.

On 5/27/2014 6:11 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.

|
| Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about 100
bucks more? I guess I could take the window back out, take it to Lowes and
have them measure it.
|

If it were me I'd order it made from a local door
and window supply. That's probably cheaper than
Lowes. There can be hidden costs with cheapo
windows: The seams at the corners are often sloppily
done and ugly. More important, there's a good chance
that the springs will give out at some point and you
may not even be able to replace them.

You talking about the ones at Lowes (or another big box)?

Pella? Andersen? Surely you jest! (and no, I didn't call you Shirley)g

| If it were me I'd order it made from a local door
| and window supply. That's probably cheaper than
| Lowes. There can be hidden costs with cheapo
| windows: The seams at the corners are often sloppily
| done and ugly. More important, there's a good chance
| that the springs will give out at some point and you
| may not even be able to replace them.
|
| You talking about the ones at Lowes (or another big box)?
|
| Pella? Andersen? Surely you jest! (and no, I didn't call you Shirley)g
|

I've never ordered a name brand window from
Lowes or HD. What I meant was that the quality
of a pre-made stock size window might not be
so good, and ordering a window made from a
door and window company might be a cheaper
option than ordering Pella.

Maybe it varies in different areas. What I have
near me is stock sizes from HD that are not a
major brand, and aren't very good quality. I
also have access to door/window companies
that make them by spec. In my experience those
have been good quality. That's where I go when
I need replacement windows.

Terry Coombs posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the
window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that
fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall.
I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

That size window has been discontinued by all mfrs of window units because
of it's carbon footprint . Your only option is to board up the hole and
cover it with tarpaper . Let us know how that goes .

The Al Gore regulation that you didn't cite was that a smiley face must be
spray painted to the tar-paper.

--
Tekkie

bob haller posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

whats wrong with the window?

so whats wrong with your window?


I heard you twice the first time.

--
Tekkie

posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

put a sliding patio door in the dining room,


Is this what they use to dine on?

--
Tekkie

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One of the panes is broken. Also, the window will not stay up when raised, it just falls back down.

Everything in my house seem installed incorrectly. I just thought in the long term it would be better to replace it.

For example. There is no flashing at all on the window. My house has osb walls without housewrap. The bare header above the window is exposed. (The osb that covers the outside walls is somehow missing from the header area. Because of this, there is a 7/16 gap at the top of the window. (The thickness of the osb). There was insulation stuffed in there. There were also no nails at all on the top flange. I could push on the window from inside the house at the top and see the window move.

The wall this window is on is only 12 feet long. My thought was to put tar paper on the wall in leu of housewrap, and install a new window with the stick on asphalt flashing. (I thought about installing 1/2 inch foam board as well but not sure on that part at this point.

One thing I am worried about with another window is I took one to have a new pane put in and it cost me over 100 bucks. I have found new windows for 169 bucks.

One question I have is how hard would it be to get my old vinyl siding to line up if the new window is slightly a different size on the outside from the old window?

As always I appreciate it!

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

And before anyone says anything, if I decide to try the insulating sheets there is over 1/2 inches of room at each corner piece. Like I said it is an idea, I don't know if I am going to do it or not. I need to find a window first and go from there.

wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.
The only way I will EVER install windows, or let them be installed
"on my watch" is a total tear-out to rough opening and replacement
with original construction type windows - any "replacement" that does
not go right out to the rough opening is "cheaping out" and looks like
it.

I'm confused by your comment. Are you saying that you only use new
construction windows (the ones with mounting flanges) as opposed to vinyl
replacement windows? Doesn't that mean that the siding and trim around the
exterior of the RO has to be R&R for each window?

A VRW requires tear-out to the RO (which you mentioned) and typically goes
"out" to within an 1/8" on both sides of the RO and within 1/2" of the
height, allowing the window to be tilted into the opening from the inside.

When I supplied my measurements I knew they were going to undersize the
height by 1/2€�, but I also knew I didn't need that much to tilt my windows
in. I padded my height measurements a bit just so that I would get as much
window as possible. That also meant that I didn't have to raise the windows
up too much to eliminate the head expander.

The head expander is not only ugly but it's a PITA to trim around.

"dadiOH" wrote:
wrote in message

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.



I guess I'm not one of the "most".

In our living room we have a large picture window with a double hung on
each side. For the double hungs we put the screen up to the top and open
the top sash. Why? The friggin' cat!

Our outdoor cat will knock on our storm door when she wants to walk through
the house for an inspection. Depending on what we're doing we don't always
hear her knocking. When that happens she (used to) jump from the ground
below the window and attached herself to the screen until we noticed her
and let her in.

By moving the screens to the top she can't reach them. She will still jump
up to the window every now and then and kind of try to land on the window
sill, which never works. I'm not sure if she is really trying to land on
the sill or if she is just trying to make enough noise to get our
attention.

BTW...we have small bells hanging from the inside handle of the patio door.
She will reach up and smack them with her paw when she wants to go out.

I never had a single hung window. Can you still tilt in and/or take out the
upper sash to clean it?

| How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.
|
| I guess I'm not one of the "most".
|
| In our living room we have a large picture window with a double hung on
| each side. For the double hungs we put the screen up to the top and open
| the top sash.

Me, too. I have one over my bed that I leave open at
top. The breeze is better in the summer. The cool evening
air tends to "drop" in. I've also done it in the past for
security, when I've lived in 1st floor apartments.

| I never had a single hung window. Can you still tilt in and/or take out
the
| upper sash to clean it?

They're not unusual in budget renovations and
low-end apartments. The ones I've seen just
have a fixed top panel. One actually has to dismantle
to whole window to get it out. I'm not sure of the
reasoning. Probably it's to save on springs and allow for
a flimsier frame. (The top sash acts as a stiffener.)

On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.
The only way I will EVER install windows, or let them be installed
"on my watch" is a total tear-out to rough opening and replacement
with original construction type windows - any "replacement" that does
not go right out to the rough opening is "cheaping out" and looks like
it.

I'm confused by your comment. Are you saying that you only use new
construction windows (the ones with mounting flanges) as opposed to vinyl
replacement windows? Doesn't that mean that the siding and trim around the
exterior of the RO has to be R&R for each window?

That's what I'm saying, but the trim and siding doesn't have to come
off because on good windows the mounting flange is removeable. The
window goes in from the inside and fits perfectly to the outer trim..
The window is sealed in with low expansion spray foam. Custom jam
extentions are made to fit on site and fastened to the window frames
and to the framing, and the original inside trim can usually be
salvaged and re-installed - or new inside trim can be made to fit.
Depending on the fit, you can order the windows with an integrated
"brick mould", which is easily removeable - for a very low extra
price.. Can't remember if I used them on my windows or not - I know we
got the brickmould on some of the windows when we did mine and the
neighbours.

A VRW requires tear-out to the RO (which you mentioned) and typically goes
"out" to within an 1/8" on both sides of the RO and within 1/2" of the
height, allowing the window to be tilted into the opening from the inside.

When I supplied my measurements I knew they were going to undersize the
height by 1/2”, but I also knew I didn't need that much to tilt my windows
in. I padded my height measurements a bit just so that I would get as much
window as possible. That also meant that I didn't have to raise the windows
up too much to eliminate the head expander.

I tell my supplier the size I want - not the rough opening size. That
way the fit is up to ME, not them.

The head expander is not only ugly but it's a PITA to trim around.
And totally un-necessary for a "custom built" window.

You need to see a sample of the windows in question so you can look at
and measure the "reveal" - so you know exactly what size you need to
make the window and the external trim work - you can always shim the
window to fit the RO if you require a window just a tad smaller to
make the outer trim work.

When I replaced my upstairs windows I re-used all the internal trim,
and the outer "reveal" of the window frame fit 1/8" all around to the
existing trim on the siding - which was easily caulked so it looks
like the windows went in before the siding went on - Can't tell that
they are not the originally installed windows in the house. When I got
the price to have my kitchen and lower bathroom windows done I went
over the setup with the contractor/supplier and told them exactly how
I wanted the job done. Guy said he'd never seen it done that way, but
was really impressed with the idea, and he's done it for many other
customers since.
When the neighbour had the addition put on their house I told the
contractor what windows were installed in the rest of the house, and
where to get them. He put in a non-matching window - not even the same
size - as the third window across the front of the upper floor. It
looked like HELL, and I made him tear it out, reframe it, and install
the right window in the right position. (and he had installed the new
vinyl siding between when I told him it was unacceptable and when he
ended up re-doing it - he wasn't happy) The neighbour said that's why
she had me monitoring the job - she "couldn't have done it to the
guy". Can't tell from looking at the front of the house that there
was an addition built - it all looks "original" (built bedroom, guest
suite/office and bathroom over the garage and family room)

On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:21:44 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

"dadiOH" wrote:
wrote in message

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.



I guess I'm not one of the "most".

In our living room we have a large picture window with a double hung on
each side. For the double hungs we put the screen up to the top and open
the top sash. Why? The friggin' cat!

Our outdoor cat will knock on our storm door when she wants to walk through
the house for an inspection. Depending on what we're doing we don't always
hear her knocking. When that happens she (used to) jump from the ground
below the window and attached herself to the screen until we noticed her
and let her in.

By moving the screens to the top she can't reach them. She will still jump
up to the window every now and then and kind of try to land on the window
sill, which never works. I'm not sure if she is really trying to land on
the sill or if she is just trying to make enough noise to get our
attention.

BTW...we have small bells hanging from the inside handle of the patio door.
She will reach up and smack them with her paw when she wants to go out.

I never had a single hung window. Can you still tilt in and/or take out the
upper sash to clean it?
Nope. False economy to install a single hung. Opening the top lets
hot air out to provide good circulation in the summer too.

As for the cat - out little Tonkinese used to open the sliding screen
door to let heself out if we didn't have it securely latched or
blocked - and one day she closed it behind herself. Something in the
back yard scared her and she couldn't get back in - she climed almost
all the way up th (petprrof fiberglass) screen!!!)
6 1/2 pounds of the smartest cat I've ever seen -and CUTE!!!. She's
been gone quite a few years now, and we miss the little rascal.

wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.
The only way I will EVER install windows, or let them be installed
"on my watch" is a total tear-out to rough opening and replacement
with original construction type windows - any "replacement" that does
not go right out to the rough opening is "cheaping out" and looks like
it.

I'm confused by your comment. Are you saying that you only use new
construction windows (the ones with mounting flanges) as opposed to vinyl
replacement windows? Doesn't that mean that the siding and trim around the
exterior of the RO has to be R&R for each window?

That's what I'm saying, but the trim and siding doesn't have to come
off because on good windows the mounting flange is removeable. The
window goes in from the inside and fits perfectly to the outer trim..
The window is sealed in with low expansion spray foam. Custom jam
extentions are made to fit on site and fastened to the window frames
and to the framing, and the original inside trim can usually be
salvaged and re-installed - or new inside trim can be made to fit.
Depending on the fit, you can order the windows with an integrated
"brick mould", which is easily removeable - for a very low extra
price.. Can't remember if I used them on my windows or not - I know we
got the brickmould on some of the windows when we did mine and the
neighbours.

I guess I'm not seeing the difference between a window with a flange or
brick molding _that you then remove _ and a replacement never had the
flange or brick mold from the start. Since they both install from the
inside, what's the difference?


A VRW requires tear-out to the RO (which you mentioned) and typically goes
"out" to within an 1/8" on both sides of the RO and within 1/2" of the
height, allowing the window to be tilted into the opening from the inside.

When I supplied my measurements I knew they were going to undersize the
height by 1/2”, but I also knew I didn't need that much to tilt my windows
in. I padded my height measurements a bit just so that I would get as much
window as possible. That also meant that I didn't have to raise the windows
up too much to eliminate the head expander.

I tell my supplier the size I want - not the rough opening size. That
way the fit is up to ME, not them.

Same with me, although I just simply gave them the "wrong" measurements so
that when they built the window using their standard process, I ended up
with windows sized the way I wanted them to be.


The head expander is not only ugly but it's a PITA to trim around.
And totally un-necessary for a "custom built" window.

You need to see a sample of the windows in question so you can look at
and measure the "reveal" - so you know exactly what size you need to
make the window and the external trim work - you can always shim the
window to fit the RO if you require a window just a tad smaller to
make the outer trim work.

Did that. That's how I knew how much to adjust my measurements.


When I replaced my upstairs windows I re-used all the internal trim,
and the outer "reveal" of the window frame fit 1/8" all around to the
existing trim on the siding - which was easily caulked so it looks
like the windows went in before the siding went on -

I, too, used the existing interior trim but I had to rip mine down a bit
since the replacement windows were deeper than my original single pane
windows.

The exterior trim is wrapped in aluminum. Since I removed the triple track
aluminum storms, I also removed all of the aluminum wrap and slid it in
towards the new windows then caulked the joints. It was a lot of work, but
it came out nice.

I mentioned everything that I did while talking to a window contractor and
he said he would have charged me a lot of labor to do everything that I
did.

On Thu, 29 May 2014 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into the
rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find a
window locally anywhere this size.

Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

One other point...

Many windows come with a head expander for the top of the window. It's a 3
sided vinyl "channel" that fits over the top of the window to fill the gap
between the top of the window and the rough opening.

When I installed my windows I tossed the caps and raised the window up,
leaving the gap on the bottom. I then filled the gap at the bottom with
insulation. I think the caps look ugly and they make installing the windows
stops harder.

All of my windows were sized so that when they were lifted up and supported
at the bottom, the trim still covered the bottom of the window. I just
think it makes for a neater installation.
The only way I will EVER install windows, or let them be installed
"on my watch" is a total tear-out to rough opening and replacement
with original construction type windows - any "replacement" that does
not go right out to the rough opening is "cheaping out" and looks like
it.

I'm confused by your comment. Are you saying that you only use new
construction windows (the ones with mounting flanges) as opposed to vinyl
replacement windows? Doesn't that mean that the siding and trim around the
exterior of the RO has to be R&R for each window?

That's what I'm saying, but the trim and siding doesn't have to come
off because on good windows the mounting flange is removeable. The
window goes in from the inside and fits perfectly to the outer trim..
The window is sealed in with low expansion spray foam. Custom jam
extentions are made to fit on site and fastened to the window frames
and to the framing, and the original inside trim can usually be
salvaged and re-installed - or new inside trim can be made to fit.
Depending on the fit, you can order the windows with an integrated
"brick mould", which is easily removeable - for a very low extra
price.. Can't remember if I used them on my windows or not - I know we
got the brickmould on some of the windows when we did mine and the
neighbours.

I guess I'm not seeing the difference between a window with a flange or
brick molding _that you then remove _ and a replacement never had the
flange or brick mold from the start. Since they both install from the
inside, what's the difference?

The "insert" window, made to fit inside an existing jam, is
(generally) of totally different and lighter construction. In many
cases it doesn't even have any structural frame. And if using a brick
moulding, it is usually installed from the outside. I just checked -
neither mine nor my neighbours used a brick moulding except for my
kitchen window - and it was a custom narrow brick moulding.

Hard to remember back to when I installed mine - particularly since I
was working for a window company at that time and there were so many
different ways they were supplied for different jobs.


A VRW requires tear-out to the RO (which you mentioned) and typically goes
"out" to within an 1/8" on both sides of the RO and within 1/2" of the
height, allowing the window to be tilted into the opening from the inside.

When I supplied my measurements I knew they were going to undersize the
height by 1/2?, but I also knew I didn't need that much to tilt my windows
in. I padded my height measurements a bit just so that I would get as much
window as possible. That also meant that I didn't have to raise the windows
up too much to eliminate the head expander.

I tell my supplier the size I want - not the rough opening size. That
way the fit is up to ME, not them.

Same with me, although I just simply gave them the "wrong" measurements so
that when they built the window using their standard process, I ended up
with windows sized the way I wanted them to be.

Dangerous to ASS u me anything when dealing with a supplier if you
are doing the install. You say EXACTLY what you want - then you, and
ONLY you are responsible for the correct fit.

The head expander is not only ugly but it's a PITA to trim around.
And totally un-necessary for a "custom built" window.

You need to see a sample of the windows in question so you can look at
and measure the "reveal" - so you know exactly what size you need to
make the window and the external trim work - you can always shim the
window to fit the RO if you require a window just a tad smaller to
make the outer trim work.

Did that. That's how I knew how much to adjust my measurements.


When I replaced my upstairs windows I re-used all the internal trim,
and the outer "reveal" of the window frame fit 1/8" all around to the
existing trim on the siding - which was easily caulked so it looks
like the windows went in before the siding went on -

I, too, used the existing interior trim but I had to rip mine down a bit
since the replacement windows were deeper than my original single pane
windows.
That's the "jam extension" which I always count on replacing. The
"trim" mounts on the wall, covering the "crack" between the jam
extention and the plaster, and making it look pretty.

In the case of my kitchen window, there was NO trim, ()or jam
extention) because I built the cabinets out over the frame of the
window, and the new window needed to fit in tight against the
cabinets, with the glass being centered between the cabinets etc so it
still looked "right". The installer/supplier was not sure how to do
it that it would look right untill I sat down with him and explained
how I would do it if I wasn't paying him to do the job.

The exterior trim is wrapped in aluminum. Since I removed the triple track
aluminum storms, I also removed all of the aluminum wrap and slid it in
towards the new windows then caulked the joints. It was a lot of work, but
it came out nice.
The aluminum wrap could have been completely removed, along with the
exterior trim the way I do it.

I mentioned everything that I did while talking to a window contractor and
he said he would have charged me a lot of labor to do everything that I
did.
A proper window replacement is NEVER cheap if you are paying for it!!!

posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:21:44 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

"dadiOH" wrote:
wrote in message

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:33:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I need to replace the window on my vinyl sided house. I took the window
out temporarily and measures the square of the window that fits into
the rough opening. It measured 31 9/16 wide x 71 9/16 tall. I cant find
a window locally anywhere this size.



Is this an odd size and is my only option having one custom ordered?

Well, I found a fairly local building supply small company. They have a
close size, 32x72 rough opening. They have it for 159.99. It is a brand I
have never heard of. It is double pane. But it is single hing, not double
hung like the one I am taking out.



Would you go with this or order a Pella double hung at Lowes for about
100 bucks more?

How often do you open the top sash? IME, most people never open it.



I guess I'm not one of the "most".

In our living room we have a large picture window with a double hung on
each side. For the double hungs we put the screen up to the top and open
the top sash. Why? The friggin' cat!

Our outdoor cat will knock on our storm door when she wants to walk through
the house for an inspection. Depending on what we're doing we don't always
hear her knocking. When that happens she (used to) jump from the ground
below the window and attached herself to the screen until we noticed her
and let her in.

By moving the screens to the top she can't reach them. She will still jump
up to the window every now and then and kind of try to land on the window
sill, which never works. I'm not sure if she is really trying to land on
the sill or if she is just trying to make enough noise to get our
attention.

BTW...we have small bells hanging from the inside handle of the patio door.
She will reach up and smack them with her paw when she wants to go out.

I never had a single hung window. Can you still tilt in and/or take out the
upper sash to clean it?
Nope. False economy to install a single hung. Opening the top lets
hot air out to provide good circulation in the summer too.

As for the cat - out little Tonkinese used to open the sliding screen
door to let heself out if we didn't have it securely latched or
blocked - and one day she closed it behind herself. Something in the
back yard scared her and she couldn't get back in - she climed almost
all the way up th (petprrof fiberglass) screen!!!)
6 1/2 pounds of the smartest cat I've ever seen -and CUTE!!!. She's
been gone quite a few years now, and we miss the little rascal.

There is another waiting at the shelter for you. My Franny is agreeing with
me right now as I type this.

--
Tekkie

wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2014 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:

....snip...


I tell my supplier the size I want - not the rough opening size. That
way the fit is up to ME, not them.

Same with me, although I just simply gave them the "wrong" measurements so
that when they built the window using their standard process, I ended up
with windows sized the way I wanted them to be.

Dangerous to ASS u me anything when dealing with a supplier if you
are doing the install. You say EXACTLY what you want - then you, and
ONLY you are responsible for the correct fit.

....snip...

That's where we disagree. There were no dangerous assumptions made.

The manufacturer of my windows has a stated SOP for a window order: They
will make them 1/4" narrower and 1/2" shorter than the measurements given
by the customer. When you look at it from that perspective, you realize
that they don't care about your RO. They don't even care if you have a RO.
They will simply make the windows 1/4€� narrower and 1/2" shorter that the
measurements you give them.

If I give them a set of measurements and let them follow their SOP, I will
get windows that are exactly the size I want because I know they will make
them 1/4" narrower and 1/2" shorter than the measurements I give them. If
they don't, I can send them back. I, and ONLY I, am responsible for the
correct fit and I didn't have to get into any conversation related to
having them do something than their SOP. I see more room for error and
miscommunication by asking/telling them to do something different than they
do thousands upon thousands of times a year.

Perhaps your manufacturer handles window orders differently. Maybe they
want exact measurements, maybe they accept various types of measurements
along with instructions e.g. "These are exact measurements" or "These are
RO measurements". In my case, I simply let them follow their SOP, knowing
that if they didn't, I could simply return the window(s).