The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over wood deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just need to cut out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not seeing it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I can work head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?

On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:
The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over
wood deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just
need tocut out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed
is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a
foot ortwo before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not
seeing it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I
canwork head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?

"Usually" is dependent on the actual site details that are only so
generically described as to be unable to say much precisely...

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and
such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple
little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving
out from the house and thus, down the slope.

In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really
severe cases, building cribbing may be required altho one would rarely
do that extreme for anything but a long-term, major effort.

--

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

TimR wrote:
The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over wood
deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just need to cut
out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is
on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or
two before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not seeing
it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I can work
head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?

Rig up up something like this, anchored on the opposite side of the shed
from where you have to work...or just hire this guy...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...i10n-4-web.jpg

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie
it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

The block of wood to level the ladder would need a secure place to be
positioned. If there is no place to securely position the legs of the
ladder, then there is no place to securely position the block of wood.
Since it sounds like some type of landing spot needs to be built anyway,
I'd make sure the landing spot was level in the first place.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie
it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

The block of wood to level the ladder would need a secure place to be
positioned. If there is no place to securely position the legs of the
ladder, then there is no place to securely position the block of wood.
Since it sounds like some type of landing spot needs to be built anyway,
I'd make sure the landing spot was level in the first place.

My best ladder has a leg extender -adjustable.

http://www.littlegiantladder.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/2/12106-leg-leveler-on-ladder_1.png

Or is the landing spot where you fall and end up?

On 04/25/2014 02:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie
it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

The block of wood to level the ladder would need a secure place to be
positioned. If there is no place to securely position the legs of the
ladder, then there is no place to securely position the block of wood.
Since it sounds like some type of landing spot needs to be built anyway,
I'd make sure the landing spot was level in the first place.



The last time I had an unreachable project I took some 2x4's and made my
own "custom fit" to the situation ladder. It was anchored in such a way
that it was "locked-in" with no possibility of it slipping.

2x4's are cheap and available up to 16 feet long and can be used later
for some other project

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie
it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

The block of wood to level the ladder would need a secure place to be
positioned. If there is no place to securely position the legs of the
ladder, then there is no place to securely position the block of wood.
Since it sounds like some type of landing spot needs to be built anyway,
I'd make sure the landing spot was level in the first place.

My best ladder has a leg extender -adjustable.

http://www.littlegiantladder.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/2/12106-leg-leveler-on-ladder_1.png

Or is the landing spot where you fall and end up?

If the slope it too steep, even your extender won't help. I believe that
that is the whole issue that the OP is having. Picture a shed on the very
edge of a sheer cliff. Where are you going to put the legs of the ladder if
you need to work on the side of the shed near the cliff?

You'd need to build a platform into the side of the cliff so the ladder
would have a place to land. Of course, you would need a ladder to build the
platform to hold the ladder to fix the shed.

Chicken...Egg. Egg...Chicken

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:07:02 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

On Friday, April 25, 2014 2:03:33 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/25/2014 12:48 PM, TimR wrote:

Much depends on "how steep is 'steep'" and what the ground makeup is and

such. Generally one would be able to use a longer ladder, make a couple

little landing places for the feets and tie it off to prevent it moving

out from the house and thus, down the slope.



In severe cases, one may drive stakes or the like...in really, really

So basically build someplace for the ladder to rest, and of course tie
it off. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'd hire a "ladder monkey"

Station the ladder, drive some rebar in the ground and secure the legs
of the ladder to it. It the ladder is slanted in one direction add a
block of wood under the leg and then secure the rebar and legs.

The block of wood to level the ladder would need a secure place to be
positioned. If there is no place to securely position the legs of the
ladder, then there is no place to securely position the block of wood.
Since it sounds like some type of landing spot needs to be built anyway,
I'd make sure the landing spot was level in the first place.

My best ladder has a leg extender -adjustable.

http://www.littlegiantladder.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/2/12106-leg-leveler-on-ladder_1.png

Or is the landing spot where you fall and end up?

If the slope it too steep, even your extender won't help. I believe that
that is the whole issue that the OP is having. Picture a shed on the very
edge of a sheer cliff. Where are you going to put the legs of the ladder if
you need to work on the side of the shed near the cliff?

You'd need to build a platform into the side of the cliff so the ladder
would have a place to land. Of course, you would need a ladder to build the
platform to hold the ladder to fix the shed.

Chicken...Egg. Egg...Chicken

Then I suggest a sky hook approach with extensive netting around this
"cliff" area. But as I alluded to, I would hire a ladder monkey.

"TimR" wrote in message
...

The edge of my shed roof has rotted. . . . I just need to cut out a strip
of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder.

The one time I employed a carpenter to put in a window 15 ft. above
(level) ground he brought with him a skeleton scaffold, which reached
4 or 5 feet high in each tier, and was up at the worksite in less than
ten minutes, with a solid platform 4 x 6 feet to work from. Of course he
had done this before . . .

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:01:36 -0500, philo* wrote:

The last time I had an unreachable project I took some 2x4's and made my
own "custom fit" to the situation ladder. It was anchored in such a way
that it was "locked-in" with no possibility of it slipping.

What I did was spend some time, last time, figuring how can a I
replace a light fixture at the front door entry 15 ft. high an not
worry about falling.

It was simple when I figured out the ladder placement. I could
actually bounce on it but it would never collapse or slide away.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:48:28 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over wood deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just need to cut out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not seeing it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I can work head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?
Rent a sky hook? Hang the ladder from the peak of the roof?

"TimR" wrote in message ...
The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over wood deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just need to cut out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not seeing it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I can work head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?

Check this out... Just an idea. Essentially build an extension with 2x4's and 3/4-in plywood. If you do something similiar to this idea, be sure everything is fastened down good with screws and be sure not to include a guard rail. I'll probably get yelled at, but the sketch is posted at alt.binaries.pictures.autos. Subject "ladder.gif". I could not find any place to post it on the web. I know that group is active and free of nekkid photos.

Correction below....

"Guv Bob" wrote in message news "TimR" wrote in message ...
The edge of my shed roof has rotted. It's a standard shingle over wood deck, about a 4/12 I'd guess, only one story. I think I just need to cut out a strip of the end of the deck and replace.

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.

This must be a common problem with an obvious solution but I'm not seeing it. I can get up from the other side but I'm not confident I can work head down like a bat.

How is this usually done?

Check this out... Just an idea. Essentially build an extension with 2x4's and 3/4-in plywood. If you do something similiar to this idea, be sure everything is fastened down good with screws and ** be sure to include ** a guard rail. I'll probably get yelled at, but the sketch is posted at alt.binaries.pictures.autos. Subject "ladder.gif". I could not find any place to post it on the web. I know that group is active and free of nekkid photos.

On 04/25/2014 04:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:01:36 -0500, philo wrote:

The last time I had an unreachable project I took some 2x4's and made my
own "custom fit" to the situation ladder. It was anchored in such a way
that it was "locked-in" with no possibility of it slipping.

What I did was spend some time, last time, figuring how can a I
replace a light fixture at the front door entry 15 ft. high an not
worry about falling.

It was simple when I figured out the ladder placement. I could
actually bounce on it but it would never collapse or slide away.




Good place for an LED which should hopefully last a long time.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 22:26:34 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 04/25/2014 04:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:01:36 -0500, philo wrote:

The last time I had an unreachable project I took some 2x4's and made my
own "custom fit" to the situation ladder. It was anchored in such a way
that it was "locked-in" with no possibility of it slipping.

What I did was spend some time, last time, figuring how can a I
replace a light fixture at the front door entry 15 ft. high an not
worry about falling.

It was simple when I figured out the ladder placement. I could
actually bounce on it but it would never collapse or slide away.




Good place for an LED which should hopefully last a long time.

Only if you get a good one. I've installed something in the
neighbourhood of 200 LED replacement bulbs - MR16 and GU10. I've
replaced at least 50 of them due to failure in about 2 years. Many
have not lasted 6 months. These are Chinese manufactured units using
Cree LED elements. My suspiscion is there is a heat transfer problem
between the LED and the heat sink ans virtually all have had LED
failures, not driver failures.

The Philips and Ikea E27 bulbs I have installed have not had any
failures (yet) - less than 6 months of service. The 7 MR16s in my
basement office have yeilded 12 dead bulbs so far (2 years)

ePer TimR:

It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.

How big is the shed and how much level ground do you have moving away
from the gully?

Me and another guy moved his 21x14 shed over a hundred feet last year
using 4" PVC pipes as rollers and a pry bar for leverage.

Maybe move it over six feet to get some room, fix the roof, and move it
back...

Sounds like a big job, but what's a half-day's labor compared to the
risk of getting killed or maimed falling off a ladder whose feet slipped
out from under it?
--
Pete Cresswell

Per (PeteCresswell):
Me and another guy moved his 21x14 shed over a hundred feet last year
using 4" PVC pipes as rollers and a pry bar for leverage.

.... and a sixty-dollar floor jack from Tractor Supply to raise it up on
to the PVC pipe.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:13:50 AM UTC-4, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
ePer TimR:



It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder. The shed is on the edge of a steep hill, more like a gully. I've got only a foot or two before it drops off sharply.



How big is the shed and how much level ground do you have moving away

from the gully?



Me and another guy moved his 21x14 shed over a hundred feet last year

using 4" PVC pipes as rollers and a pry bar for leverage.


It's a big shed, hard to move, but this is exactly the kind of idea I'm looking for - the stuff I won't think of on my own.

On 4/26/2014 10:26 AM, TimR wrote:
On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:13:50 AM UTC-4, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
ePer TimR:



It shouldn't be hard, but there's nowhere to put a ladder.



It's a big shed, hard to move, but this is exactly the kind
of idea I'm looking for - the stuff I won't think of on my own.


Fire departments use a roof ladder, which would get you onto
the roof. Hooks onto the ridge pole.

http://www.ramsayladders.co.uk/shop/...SingleARLL.jpg
But that would not make it easy to pull out some shingles
and sheathing.

Sounds like you need to custom build scaffolding, and
bolt onto the side of the building. Maybe long bolts
through the wall, so you can get better strength.

I like someone else idea to move the shed out and
put it back.



--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Had another idea.

Rather than find something for the bottom of the ladder to sit on, which is going to be difficult, maybe bend the ladder 90 degrees and tie it off on top.

The base of the ladder will rest against the wall, the top of ladder will be roped to a sturdy tree on the other side of the shed.

I can even nail a 2x4 to the shed wall for the legs to rest on.

They make ladders with joints, my brother has one.

TimR posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

They make ladders with joints, my brother has one.


Has he smoked it yet? Doobie ladder - you won't care if you fall. (TM)

--
Tekkie